Will You Always Stay in the U.S.?

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:33 pm

At any cost?

A gal I know has a brother who moved to Viet Frickin Nam. He claims he's never been happier, that he has more freedoms there then he ever had in the States and that his cost of living is about a dollar a day.

I know another guy who is moving to Suriname, and others who are retiring to various countries in Central America.

So how about it? Anybody considering a move some day?

Biggie · Post by **Biggie** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:43 pm

If you don't like America, you can giiiitout.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 2:51 pm

I'd move to Israel, but my mossad handlers want me here to keep an eye on Marty and Nick Frisco.

titlover · Post by **titlover** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:00 pm

fuck learning another language.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:22 pm

Honestly, I dont really have a reason to leave this country. It's the best. If a regime came into power that I didnt particulary care for and I could afford, I would probably retire to the Islands somewhere.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:25 pm

Cicero wrote:Honestly, I dont really have a reason to leave this country. It's the best. If a regime came into power that I didnt particulary care for and I could afford, I would probably retire to the Islands somewhere.

Fucking learn a language. Just pick one and learn it.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:29 pm

What's that college boy? Oh wait.....

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:45 pm

even though I live near the northernmost
point of the "Conch Republic"
(I gotta take a photo of the marker)
and unless Florida secedes from the Union
(which isn't usually a successful venture)
I will always live in the USA !!

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:46 pm

I'd like to spend a year living/working abroad, when my kids are in 9th and 11th grade, respectively. I think that would be a valuable experience for them.

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:13 pm

I certainly wouldn't move to the third world if I did.

Been to a Wal-Mart lately? The Third World is already here.

What's the diff if your retirement beachfront condo is in Florida or Belize?

Luther · Post by **Luther** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:14 pm

PSUFAN wrote:I'd like to spend a year living/working abroad, when my kids are in 9th and 11th grade, respectively. I think that would be a valuable experience for them.

They would like it if you left Dodge? Bwahahaha

Rip City

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:20 pm

Wrong, Luth. My hightail years will be 10th and 12th, respectively

Luther · Post by **Luther** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:29 pm

In 8th grade I lived in Japan. I went down to the little market and bought what I thought was a bottle of strawberry soda. I also bought a bushel of those hot rice crackers for the equivalent of 1/2 cent per dump truck load.

Anyhoots, by the time I walked halfway back home I was shitfaced. Those Japanese will sell a pale faced kid anything.

Rip City

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:50 pm

mvscal wrote:
Uncle Fester wrote:What's the diff if your retirement beachfront condo is in Florida or Belize?
The difference is a constant and consistent rule of law and property rights. Third world banana republics can and will seize your property on a whim. It has happened to many people who bought property in Mexico and other places. Those people were just fucked without recourse.

Sure it's all fun and games to suggest that the third world is already here, but if you truly believe it, you've never been to the third world.

What mvscal said. We bitch about property being taken away to build mini-malls, but property being taken away because a well-connected guy wants it exists elsewhere.

I grew up in this culture and despite its faults wouldn't go anywhere that deviates too far from it.

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 4:56 pm

Uncle Fester wrote:
A gal I know has a brother who moved to Viet Frickin Nam. He claims he's never been happier, that he has more freedoms there then he ever had in the States and that his cost of living is about a dollar a day.

Child Molester. Remember Gary Glitter loves Vietnam too.

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:02 pm

I would move to Nepal maybe.

Most the girls I have met from there look pretty cute and they all say it is a nice place to live.

But in the end, fuck learning another language.

Luther · Post by **Luther** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:09 pm

Women from Nepal? Really. I always thought they looked like Ward Churchill's sisters.

Rip City

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:27 pm

The difference is a constant and consistent rule of law and property rights. Third world banana republics can and will seize your property on a whim. It has happened to many people who bought property in Mexico and other places. Those people were just fucked without recourse.

I dunno. Read this:

In the old days punishments were harsh, but they were not arbitrary. You could be hanged for stealing a sheep, but you would not also be charged with conspiracy to commit sheep stealing, willful evasion of taxes on stolen sheep and diminishing the civil rights of the sheep owner. Attacks on property? Asset forfeiture, aimed at drug dealers when radically extended by Congress in 1984 but now covering 140 other offenses, allows seizure on "probable cause" - i.e., at the discretion of police and prosecutors. Proceeds go to the seizing agency, creating a corrupting motive.
http://www.vdare.com/pb/death_of_due_process.htm

Add in the influx of immigrants and the ever expanding powers of seizure by eminent domain and I'm not so sure our property rights are as secure as you think.

Look what happened to property rights in LA after the Rodney King verdict.

Try hanging onto a big chunk of land anymore with developers breathing down your neck and local politicians setting the tax rates.

God forbid if someone decides to sue you for some reason.

And btw, RACK Luther!

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:46 pm

I'm not saying it's an apples to apples comparison.

But where I live, the city condemned four blocks worth of houses to put up an office building.
Two houses at the end of my street are being taken to create a "business corridor."

If I can buy some ocean-front property for next to nothing in BananaLand, it's probably worth the risk.

YD · Post by YD » Thu Sep 07, 2006 5:55 pm

Doesn't the city pay the property owners , at or above market value?

they do in my city.

thats where the biggest difference is.

sucks for renters, sure. But 90% the owners get stoked.

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:01 pm

Yeah, they do.

But for some, "market value" might not be the point.

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:03 pm

Luther wrote:
Women from Nepal? Really. I always thought they looked like Ward Churchill's sisters.

You got a point. I havent researched the place well enough.

I was refering to ones I met in college and others I have met along the way.

Fuck it. Luth has convinced me to stay in usa.

USA! USA! USA!

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:06 pm

Fester...Rust Belt Defender, one Hamms at a time...

YD · Post by YD » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:07 pm

too true fes...

specialy when the "market value" is sux

not the case here.

most owners are too "holy shit!" when they find out what they are getting to give a shit about moving across town.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:09 pm

I was refering to ones I met in college and others I have met along the way.

Generally, Nepalese you meet at a US college are going to be the cream of the crop. Probably every Nepalese hottie on Earth is attending a US university right as we type.

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:14 pm

So stay in the US and let the hotties come here.

Damn.

Why would anyone move away?

:wink:

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:03 pm

The concept of forfeiting my US citizenship and adopting a new conutry is just frigging repulsive to me. There's some nations that I think are cool to visit (Canada) or I would like to visit due to ethnic ties (England, Italy), but there's no frigging way I'd EVER consider becoming a citizen of another nation.

Ever.

YD · Post by YD » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:10 pm

I hear they run a mean 40 yard dash somewhere on the Isreal/Jordan border

I may check that out

Uncle Fester · Post by **Uncle Fester** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:43 pm

Mike the Lab Rat wrote:
The concept of forfeiting my US citizenship and adopting a new conutry is just frigging repulsive to me. There's some nations that I think are cool to visit (Canada) or I would like to visit due to ethnic ties (England, Italy), but there's no frigging way I'd EVER consider becoming a citizen of another nation.

Sounds a bit provincial, don't ya think?

Geez, I'm not asking that you consider changing fraternities or something.

The phantorino · Post by **The phantorino** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:44 pm

Wow, I'm glad no-one joined in with my fantasy:

Island in the Med - Tax-free, if you know the right people - stable democracy - English spoken - warm beer - shit food - no Amurricans:

Heaven?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:17 pm

The phantorino wrote:no Amurricans

Do you really think anyone buys your schtick?

You don't hate us. You don't have to post on what's a 99% dominated "Amurrican" board.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:31 pm

The phantorino wrote: Heaven?

Depends.

Do they have Sonic, Arby's, or Quik Trip there?

If not, I'm staying put.

Sheesh, what am I saying? If they don't have a Smokehouse or Gates BBQ, I'm staying put.

But you feel free to roam at will in that "fantasy" world, just remember to stick to bottled water.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:47 pm

I hear that this is going to be the up and coming place for expatriots...

From the Adriatic...

to the mountains....

A place of incredible beauty. It has just become an independent democracy, no longer connected, at least politically, to Serbia.
A lot of history, still largely undeveloped. The women have very nice accents.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:20 pm

Sweet pics, Mikey. Looks incredible.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:56 pm

timmay wrote:I hear they run a mean 40 yard dash somewhere on the Isreal/Jordan border

I may check that out

Wrong event. It's the shot put.

Jimmy Medalions · Post by **Jimmy Medalions** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:58 pm

I never figured m2 to be a Mikey troll :?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:27 am

Jimmy Medalions wrote:I never figured m2 to be a Mikey troll :?

I never said I was posting from there, that I was orgying with a half dozen Renfair skanks there, that I'd sold some aluminum tubes there, or even that I'd ever been there.

I just pulled those pics off the net.

(OK, in that way I guess I'm like m2. But only in that way.)

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:05 pm

MtLR,

My cousin lives in Greece but is still a U.S. citizen.

As for me, I might consider Canada, or possibly Mexico but that's about it (I'd want to stay fairly close to the U.S. if I did leave.)

The weather in Canada probably wouldn't bother me -- anyplace I'd care to live there would have a climate similar to the one I have now. As I've said before, I'd move to Toronto if I thought I could afford to do so, and my career would translate there. No on both counts, unfortunately.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 12:44 pm

Uncle Fester wrote: What's the diff if your retirement beachfront condo is in Florida or Belize?

that's easy. most of your neighbors can speak english in belize.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 1:24 pm

I just wanted to share an email I recieved today from one of my co-workers.

I am excited to share with all of you that Roberto and I became American Citizens yesterday. Our naturalization ceremony was held at the Monroe County Office Building and had 64 immigrants from 28 countries.

What started as a great professional opportunity has turned into an incredible life experience with uncountable memorable moments. Nine years have passed and not only have we made lifelong friends, but we have also had the amazing possibility to learn and live the American culture. Our daily challenges are part of the beauty of living in a foreign country and we are very proud to live and be part of your community, your country, the United States.

She kinda says it all right there.

T1B

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