Who's Watching?....

[LTS TRN 2]

How about the number of innocent civilians? After all, when we Liberated Fifty-Million Iraqis, our assault plan on Baghdad was "shoot anything that moves." But as long as we're not counting victims of car-bombings and mortar attacks, well the number of deaths caused by America is actually GOING DOWN!!


Deal with the fact that Cheney 'n Chimp had planned (yes, in the budget for the next year) REDUCTIONS in couter-terrorist funding.

[Rich Fader]

...babble babble babble, drool drool drool...

[The phantorino]

Chimp decided it was more important to work on his image and keep reading stories about the billy goats than to make himself available to give these orders, should it become necessary.

He can give all the orders he needs to give from AF1 and, no, you don't know his job better than he does.

Whoops - nearly GD'd

*stumble - Recover - look cool*

You, Sir, have no idea of what you speak about.

[Screw_Michigan]

And Dinsdale...

I was going to recommend that you should not post in threads that involve topics you know nothing about, but then I realized that if you implemented my recommendation, your future post total would be zero. And that would be a shame. Like many others here, I sometimes go to open mic night just to watch the droolers. Please carry on. We'll send out Nishlord to mop up when you are done.

wow. RACK that.

[Moving Sale]

And, if you read further on the page I linked, just past Mineta's testimony, you will find that the fighter jets got airborne on 9:35 a.m., 105 miles away from the Pentagon, with no idea where Flight 77 was heading, two minutes before the impact occurred. They had no chance to intercept and shoot down Flight 77. You are pathetic.

Can you even read your own damn link you fucking tard?
"At 9:30 the Langley F-16s are airborne. They are 105 miles away from the Washington area..."
"GEN. ARNOLD: I think they were airborne at 9:30 actually, and that they were reported airborne at 9:35 - correct my error here if I could, please."
Impact was 9:37:45. 7min and 45 sec to fly 105 miles. That is about 800mph in a plane that goes well over 1000.

You are a fucking tard who knows NOTHING about what happened that day. You can't even read your own link.

[Moving Sale]

How about the number of terrorists killed by Americans on Bush's watch?

You're a pitifully stupid pile of shit by any measure.

How about the number killed minus the number created?

You are a stupid racist fuck by any measure.

[Moving Sale]

Manhattan is in NY you stupid fuck.

[The phantorino]

Vanity Fair? Wow, who needs ABC?

[Moving Sale]

Vanity Fair Article

So I kick your ass using your own damn link and your retort is to find a link that says that your first link is full of shit?

Which is it fuckface?

Gawd you are a tard.

[Cuda]

Moving Sale, as usual, jumps into an argument regarding Flight 77 and makes ridiculous statements and, as usual, gets Amadou-Dialloed.

You mean he got Abner Louima'd

Diallo was kind of different from that

[LTS TRN 2]

BULLSHIT, 88!!

First, WHERE does Mineta--in the Roemer interview--suggest that he inferred a SHOOT DOWN?

He clearly and repeatedly denies any such clear inference. He does not state, however, that he inferred a STAND DOWN, but that is obviously implied. You obviously know nothing of Japanese decorum.

As for my assertion that NORAD was the most sophisticated--and thoroughly tested--air defense system in the history of the known universe, let's not forget that just in the year 2000 over fifty "false alarms" were addressed within MINUTES--jets scrambled over D.C. EVERY TIME.

SO?......How the fuck are we supposed to swallow this absurdity that there were NO FUCKING JETS in the Washington D.C. area for ALMOST AN HOUR after multiple horrific hijack attacks in N.Y.???


DEAL WITH THIS DIRECTLY or just shut the fuck up!

Either way,

WAKEY WAKE!!!

[Rich Fader]

When I read the words "WAKEY WAKEY!!!"*, I reach for my pillow and blankie.

*(Or any variant thereof, for that matter.)

:twisted:

[Rich Fader]

Why? Did something else there get attacked in the last five years? I missed that.

[Moving Sale]

the fighter jets got airborne on 9:35 a.m., 105 miles away from the Pentagon...

9:35:41 - Notice to NEADS (NORAD) that a plane was headed to Washington D.C.
9:37:46 - Impact of Flight 77 with Pentagon

Difference 0:02:05
Distance from fighters to Pentagon at time of notice: 150 miles

Me, I'm going to rely on the evidence I know is accurate.

Accurate smackurate you can't even make up your mind as to what the 'facts' are.

Way to Amadou-Diallo yourself.

[Moving Sale]

Pretty damn pitiful that we can't protect our nation's largest city or the nation's capital, isn't it?

Sitka, Alaska is the largest city in the U.S. while Jacksonville, Florida is the largest in the lower 48.

I think you meant most populated.

[Cuda]

What, EXACTLY, would those jets have accomplished?

You mean besides give the conspiracy lunatics "absolute proof that sidewinder missles brought down the WTC towers & put that hole in the pentagon"?

If any of the airliners would have been shot down, they'd have come down in one of two ways: semi-intact & in flames, or in thousands of pieces of flaming wreckage. Not that it would have made a whole lot of difference on the ground.

[Cuda]

How does Flaming Wreckage Raining Down From the Sky = Protection?

[Rich Fader]

Why? Did something else there get attacked in the last five years? I missed that.

So you're comfortable with the fact that on September 11, 2001, the United States of America was incapable of scrambling fighters to protect the nation's most heavily populated city (thanks MS) and its capital?

I would think we might have been prepared a bit better.

Would it have been helpful to have fighters up to shoot down the airliners before they hit, respectively, One and Two WTC and the side of the Pentagon? Oh, I suppose. It would have been even more helpful to have tumbled to the plot and arrested the bastards before they ever got on the planes--the earlier, the better ('sup Bill and friends?). That didn't really happen either, did it?

But that's ultimately not the answer to my question. Did they get an attack in on something else after 9/11 that I missed? Somebody apparently stepped up their game.

[Rich Fader]

Just Singing in the 10,000 Gallons of Flaming Jet Fuel!!!

"New York, New York, it's a hell of a town,
"The flames are up and the girders are down,
"There's people stuck in a hole in the ground,
"New York, New York, it's a hell of a towwwwwwwwn!!!"

:twisted:

[Moving Sale]

How, exactly, would these scrambled fighters have protected our most densely populated city from hijacked airliners?

There would have been a better chance of having the jetliners rain down parts and burning fuel on a part of town more heavily populated by Blacks than lower Manahttan.

Are you happy yet?

[The phantorino]

Pretty damn pitiful that we can't protect our nation's largest city or the nation's capital, isn't it?

Sitka, Alaska is the largest city in the U.S.

actually, it's Juenau, not Sitka

Just Sayin'

[Moving Sale]

"While New York City is the most populous city in the United States, Sitka, Alaska is the largest city in area. Sitka includes a whopping 2874 square miles of incorporated area. The city is larger than the state of Delaware! Officially known as the "City and Borough of Sitka," the city consolidated the City of Sitka Borough in 2000 to be the country's largest city.
Sitka displaced Juneau, Alaska as the largest city upon the 2000 incorporation. Juneau is 2717 square miles and was formed through incorporation of the borough and city in 1970."

Any questions?

[M2]

"While New York City is the most populous city in the United States, Sitka, Alaska is the largest city in area. Sitka includes a whopping 2874 square miles of incorporated area. The city is larger than the state of Delaware! Officially known as the "City and Borough of Sitka," the city consolidated the City of Sitka Borough in 2000 to be the country's largest city.
Sitka displaced Juneau, Alaska as the largest city upon the 2000 incorporation. Juneau is 2717 square miles and was formed through incorporation of the borough and city in 1970."

Any questions?

Why are you so fuckin' boring???

Sin,

Paint drying

[M2]

way, I'm wide awake, dog.

You need to share, bro.

Seriously, I've yet to sleep well, for the past 2 months. I've been boged down with 2 months of work, which I need to get done in little over a week.

At least I have work... it's the only thing that makes me get up in the morning.

The stress can be a tad much, even for a workaholic.

I heard about your dad passing, and hope you're doing ok.

Fuck, if my dad died, I'd be a mess, since I see him as my best friend.

Let me know how you do it, since I'd have no idea how to do it... yet it's coming sooner than later.

I sound like a pussy, and I dont give a shit.

L8,


m2

[The phantorino]

"Sitka displaced Juneau, Alaska as the largest city upon the 2000 incorporation.

Any questions?

No - last time I was there was 1999.

[Moving Sale]

Looks like this is the second time this summer I have ran 88 from a 911 thread.

What a fucking cunt that guy is.

[The phantorino]

Cuda and Mvscal?

[Cuda]

TVO is impotent, phanto. Sucking him off will get you nowheresvillem

[Diogenes]

Props to 88 in this thread. Since part 2 hasn't played yet in San Diego (pre-empted till Saturday for the chargers game which was already being run on ESPN) all I can say about part one is that the lefty bitches do protest overly much. It's the stupid economy, remember? You buy into a mindset where international politics are irelevent in choosing a leader, elect a POS who loaths the military and you get the Monty Python act we had after Mogidishu. OBL's moment of epiphany. Was that even in Part one, BTW?

[Mikey]

To tell you the truth, I watched it but I don't remember.

All I remember about part 1 is Harvey Keitel acting very macho and some guys rousting a bunch of Arabs somewhere in the Middle-East.

Figure Part 2 should be similar.


RACK Stevie Wonder, BTW.

[Moving Sale]

I ran at Mach 6.0 for 150 miles....

Or was it Mach 4.5 for 105 miles? Or was it Mach 3.7 for 6 miles?

You are such a tard you can't even stick to one story for couple of posts in a row.

Nice going... I can see where your Down's Syndrome kid got his genes.

Now go suck Bush's Cock you asshat, maybe he'll shoot more 'information' onto your face.

[LTS TRN 2]

So you're comfortable with the fact that on September 11, 2001, the United States of America was incapable of scrambling fighters to protect the nation's most heavily populated city (thanks MS) and its capital?

How, exactly, would these scrambled fighters have protected our most densely populated city from hijacked airliners?

Why won't any of you assholes even try to answer that question?

THis is actually a perfectly valid and important question. But just because it presents a nest of perplexing and disturbing implications certainly doesn't make its answer any less clear.

First, are we to assume that if the NORAD system works properly--jets scrambled in minutes, just like during the DOZENS of "false alarms" the previous year--that there's nothing they can do to stop a lumbering airliner?

Sure, if it's right over Wall Street the idea of shooting it down appears just about as bad as letting it take out the towers. But that's not the real propspect at all.

If the NORAD jets were properly dispatched, they could have intercepted the hijacked airliners way out in the countryside--over the Catskills, let's say. Further, if the Atta and his fellow amateur pilots suddenly had airforce jets buzzing all over them, would they really have stayed so cool? Are we really to assume that EVEN IN LIEU of shooting them down, that no significant and telling interference could have been rendered?

Okay, so the hijacked airliners surge on towards N.Y., undeterred, well, the option is front and center to drop them. Sure, it would be excruciatingly painful--the utter shame--of having to kill innocent Americans without any positive proof that the WTC attack was forthcoming. But the option should have at least been there.


What's the excuse for the biggest failure in security in America's history?

88 insists that there were ONLY FOUR fighter jets available to protect the entire eastern seaboard (due to Clinton's cuts, etc).

Do you actually believe this for one second? Apparently, the Rovian/Limpdick style is simply to offer the most preposterous reversal of reality--and then watch as a LOT of people passively swallow it. Those who object just get the standard smear treatment.

In point of fact, seven airstations were on FULL ALERT to protect the continental U.S. on 9/11.
The Air National Guard maintains seven alert sites with 14 fully armed fighters and pilots on call around the clock. Besides Tyndall AFB, alert birds also sit armed and ready at; Homestead Air Reserve Base (ARB), Homestead, Florida; Langley AFB, Hampton, Virginia; Otis Air National Guard (ANG), Falmouth, Massachusetts; Oregon ANG, Portland, Oregon; March ARB, Riverside, California; and Ellington ANG, Houston, Texas. Obviously the western U.S. bases here were not a factor.

But here's twenty-eight more airstations that were well within range to scramble fighter jets, but, astonishingly, didn't:

Andrews AFB 11 miles SE of Washington D.C.

Bolling AFB 3 miles south of US Capitol

Dover AFB Dover, DE

Hanscom AFB 17 miles northwest of Boston, MA

McGuire AFB 18 miles southeast of Trenton, NJ

Wright-Patterson AFB Dayton, OH

Cape Cod, MA AFS

New Boston, NH AFS

Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve Bases

Atlantic City Airport, NJ 10 miles west of Atlantic City

Barnes Municipal Airport, MA 3 miles northwest of Westfield

Bradley International Airport, CN Windsor Locks

Byrd Field, VA 4 miles southeast of Richmond

Eastern West Virginia Regional Airport 4 miles south of Martinsburg

Frances S. Gabreski Airport, NY Westhampton Beach

Greater Pittsburgh International Airport, PA 15 miles nw of Pittsburgh

Harrisburg International Airport, PA 10 miles east of Harrisburg

Martin State Airport, MD 8 miles east of Baltimore

New Castle County Airport, DE 5 miles south of Wilmington

Pease ANGS, NH Portsmouth

Quonset State Airport, RI Providence

Rickenbacker ANGB, OH Columbus, Oh

Stewart International Airport, NY Newburgh, NY

Toledo Express Airport, Swanton, Ohio

Westover ARB, MA 5 miles northeast of Chicopee

Willow Grove Naval Air Station, PA 14 miles north of Philadelphia

Yeager Airport, WVA 4 miles northeast of Charleston

Youngstown-Warren Regional Airport ARS, OH 16 miles north of Youngstown

Also, there is an Air Defense Intercept Zone just off shore for the entire Atlantic Coast. This zone is constantly being patrolled. In general fast movers would not need to be scrambled. They can be diverted from routine patrol and training flights for the intercept. The odds are that on a beautiful blue morning in September many flights would be on patrol just off shore. It would be most improbable that even one commercial flight could go more than fifteen minutes without being intercepted.


But as it was, NO JETS were scrambled. And moreover, the 9/11 Commission Report shamelessly avoids this glaring series of facts. The mealy excuse trotted out well after the fact--something about a large War Games excercise somehow cunfusing ALL of the military personel, is patantly pathetic.

[Y2K]

But as it was, NO JETS were scrambled. And moreover, the 9/11 Commission Report shamelessly avoids this glaring series of facts.

Google More Post Less

[OCmike]

OR, do as I do when you see LTS TRN2 in the left hand column: Scroll more, read less.

[Moving Sale]

But as it was, NO JETS were scrambled. And moreover, the 9/11 Commission Report shamelessly avoids this glaring series of facts.

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Why do you post information that you know to be false?

Sin,
88differentanswers2onequestion

[Mister Bushice]

OH come on now 88, everyone knows that the government has already torn a hole in the fabric of the space/time continuum and that they could have had those jets arrive at the pentagon 10 minutes before 77 showed up.

sin,

movingshortoneverythingexceptinsanitysale

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

A little more fuel for the discussion ...

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles ... le_id=5865

[Mister Bushice]

Dunn did a good job refuting all the points made by Fetzer, but left off the one pesky point the conspiracy dudes gloss over every time:

if 77 did not hit the pentagon, where the fuck is it?

[Moving Sale]

Dunn did a good job refuting all the points made by Fetzer, but left off the one pesky point the conspiracy dudes gloss over every time:

if 77 did not hit the pentagon, where the fuck is it?

That is because it's a Classic non sequitur

1. If A then B.
2. Not A.
3. Therefore, not B.

"If I can produce the plane then it must not have hit the pentagon.
I can't produce the plane
Therefore it must have* hit the pentagon."

* I left out the double negative.

Dumbass.

[Cuda]

TVO, it's more like

a: "Plane did NOT hit the Pentagon"

b: "Here are the witnesses, here is the video, here is the wreckage"

c: " That proves nothing!"