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Ortiz raps HR, MVP voting
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff | September 11, 2006

So, on an afternoon that David Ortiz hit his career-best 48th home run to draw within two of the club record held by Hall of Famer Jimmie Foxx, what did he think of his chances of winning the American League's Most Valuable Player award?

Ortiz formed a circle with his giant right hand, held it in front of his face, and shrugged. On a scale of 1 to 100, that would be a zero, which is also the number of home runs Ortiz had hit since connecting Aug. 27 in Seattle, his season interrupted by a heart scare that he now insists wasn't about his heart at all.

``I don't worry about [the MVP]," he said after his two-run home run in the sixth inning, off Royals lefthanded reliever Andy Sisco, helped the Sox to a 9-3 win yesterday over Kansas City, ending Boston's improbable -- and lethal -- five-game losing streak against the team with the worst record in baseball.

``All I like to do is have a good season," he said. ``If I have a good season, that's my MVP."

But as Ortiz continued to share his thoughts on the topic, it became increasingly apparent he believes Boston's fall from playoff contention shouldn't disqualify him from MVP consideration, not when he is a virtual lock to lead the AL in home runs and is odds-on to lead in RBIs as well.

``I'm right there," he said, ``but I'm not going to win it. They give it to Alex [Rodriguez] one year, even though his team was in last place, so now they can't play that BS anymore, just because your team didn't make it. They gave it to Alex that year because of his numbers. But they always have a reason to vote for whatever, so that's why I don't worry about it."

Rodriguez won his first MVP award in 2003 while playing for the Texas Rangers, who finished last in the AL West even though Rodriguez hit 47 home runs and knocked in 118 runs while batting .298. Rodriguez actually had better numbers the year before, hitting 57 home runs while knocking in 142 runs, leading the league in both categories, but finished second to Oakland shortstop Miguel Tejada, the difference, of course, being that A-Rod's Rangers finished last and Miggy's Athletics went to the playoffs.

Rodriguez, incidentally, is the last AL player to hit 50 or more home runs in a season. Now it is one of his Yankee teammates, Derek Jeter, who is receiving considerable support in this year's MVP race. But he wouldn't get Ortiz's vote.

``I'll tell you one thing," Ortiz said, ``if I get 50 home runs and 10 more RBIs, that's going to be a round number that no one else in the American League will have [Ortiz has 127 RBIs after driving in two yesterday].

``But they'll vote for a position player, use that as an excuse. They're talking about Jeter a lot, right? He's done a great job, he's having a great season, but Jeter is not a 40-homer hitter or an RBI guy. It doesn't matter how much you've done for your ball club, the bottom line is, the guy who hits 40 home runs and knocks in 100, that's the guy you know helped your team win games.

``Don't get me wrong -- he's a great player, having a great season, but he's got a lot of guys in that lineup. Top to bottom, you've got a guy who can hurt you. Come hit in this lineup, see how good you can be."

Who would Ortiz vote for if he's not going to win it? He mentioned three sluggers -- Jermaine Dye and Paul Konerko of the White Sox and Justin Morneau of the Twins.

``All depends on who makes the playoffs," he said. ``[Jermaine] Dye is having an unbelievable season, an incredible year. Konerko, too.

``Morneau, he's having a great season, but in Minnesota, there's no publicity. I bet you nobody knows who he is."

Morneau has 33 home runs, most by a Twins player since Kent Hrbek hit 34 in 1987, the last season any Twins player has hit 30 or more home runs. But Morneau's Minnesota teammate, Joe Mauer, has gotten the majority of the publicity, because of his bid to become the first catcher to lead the AL in hitting. (An absence of publicity is not likely to cost Johan Santana of the Twins the AL's Cy Young Award.)

But Mauer's high average doesn't cut it for Ortiz.

``Tell me about the guy bringing him in," Ortiz said. ``I'm not saying anything about my man [Mauer], I love that kid, but you've got to talk about Morneau because he's the guy who's done what people haven't done in years there."

As for the other league, Ortiz said that should be a no-brainer. ``Ryan Howard," he said of the Phillies slugger. ``I don't care what anyone says, he's going to finish with 60 home runs. Dude, he's going to have 150 RBIs. How can you take away the MVP from a guy like that?"

Ortiz's numbers likely would even be better if he hadn't missed eight games after what were described as heart palpitations. He now insists those weren't palpitations at all.

``That thing that happened had nothing to do with my heart," he said, ``not at all. I was diving, I was swinging, it was like some muscular thing around here [he circled an area in his chest]. It was like there was a nerve shaking there and everybody thought it had to do with my heart. But it wasn't. There's nobody in my family that has a history of heart trouble, nobody at all."

But will Ortiz be the first in his family to bring home an MVP award? Again, he shook his head.

``I'm doing what I can do," he said.


Here's a tip for you, Shrek, value is more than HR's and RBI's. If your ONLY function is to hit then you better be hitting .350 every year. 1 SB and 2 errors in your 10 games in the field is of no value.
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If Jeter doesnt win it,the AL MVP is a farce.
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The Assassin wrote:If Jeter doesnt win it,the AL MVP is a farce.

I don't doubt that Jeter is the most valuable Yankee this year but I still have a hard time picking him considering even though the Yankees have been without Sheffield and Matsui...they're still a loaded team and that lineup will just come at you in waves. They've scored the most runs in baseball...hard to give one guy all the credit for their success. I have that opinion with teams with multiple superstars who are producing for their team. Jeter does a little extra for them to help them win but Damon is having one of his better offensive years, Giambi is going to hit 40+ home runs and you've still got the rich bum A-Rod, who reached the 30 HR & 100 RBI plateau for the 10th time and possible 40 & 100 for the 8th time in his great career. Plus, they've still got the best closer in the game and they've got two pitchers with 17 wins and another with 13. Jeter has been great but on that team, he's not doing things all by himself. Plus, they've got that giant lead in the division because the Red Sox have imploded.

I know this is becoming the new trendy pick but Johan Santana may be the single most important player in the American League to his team right now. He had 3 losses and an ND in his first four starts in April. Since then, he's 17-2 and he's only lost once since June. Plus, the Twins have been without Liriano. To go against my own point however, they've got a big time run producer this year in Morneau, who is second to Ortiz in RBI and has career highs in the three major categories. Plus, they have the current AL batting leader in Mauer.

Honestly you can make cases for against a lot of the main candidates...it pretty much comes down to if their team makes the postseason. Hafner was almost having an A-Rod with the Rangers type of a year until he got hurt. I would actually put him in the conversation. Dye was a hot choice for the White Sox but if they miss the playoffs, does he deserve consideration? Plus, the Sox potentially have four guys who will hit 30 home runs and drive in 100 runs and hit above .290. Which guy out of Dye, Konerko, Thome and Crede is really any more valuable than the other three guys in that lineup? That is pretty much my argument against Jeter with the Yankees.

To me, I can't really pick an MVP out of the AL considering some of the best individual performances could be all for losing teams. I think in the NL, it's Howard's award to lose...even if the Phillies don't make the playoffs. They wouldn't be anywhere near the wild card without him catching fire like he has.
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I pick Jeter because hes been the steady rock on a streaky team. the pitching has been inconsistant and ARod is having a down year.Plus the injury bug hit them prety hard this season. Why Jeter gets the overrated label is beyond me, could it be the Yankee uni? If he played in lets say Baltimore or Houston I think he'd be looked upon as a god.



NL I agree Howard has it locked up. Pujols missing time cost him.
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For a guy who said he doesn't worry about the MVP, he sure had a good deal to say about it.

Jeter, Mauer, Dye are all more worthy of the MVP award.
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Until about 2 weeks ago, I figured Beltran was a complete lock for NL MVP. Howard still had much to say on the subject.

Until 2 days ago, I had little doubt Papi was a complete lock for AL MVP. HE still had TOO much to say on the subject.

Way out of character. Should have kept his mouth shut. EVERYBODY (even some Yankee fans who would deny it) loves Big Papi. He let that Latin bravado get the best of him. Still should win but Jeter may surpass him now. And it's his own fault.

Santana's a lock
Papelbon's a lock (especially if the Tiger implosion continues)

NL Cy is...well...who cares.
NL ROY is...well...any of about a dozen Marlins
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Bobby Abreu might end up with about 20 RBI's tonight at this pace.
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rozy wrote:Until about 2 weeks ago, I figured Beltran was a complete lock for NL MVP. Howard still had much to say on the subject.

Until 2 days ago, I had little doubt Papi was a complete lock for AL MVP. HE still had TOO much to say on the subject.

Way out of character. Should have kept his mouth shut. EVERYBODY (even some Yankee fans who would deny it) loves Big Papi. He let that Latin bravado get the best of him. Still should win but Jeter may surpass him now. And it's his own fault.

Santana's a lock
Papelbon's a lock (especially if the Tiger implosion continues)

NL Cy is...well...who cares.
NL ROY is...well...any of about a dozen Marlins
You are on target here Rozy when you talk about Ortiz!!

I wish David had kept his mouth shut!! It taints his image. I can forgive him but he should have kept it to himself. Nothing good will come of this and it is not good for the clubhouse!!

Santana is a lock! Papelbon is worthy of ROY but so is Liriano. Ithink Liriano will get it!
Jermaine Dye or Justin Morneau should get the MVP.
unless David can get the Sox into the playoffs (by some miracle!)
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rozy wrote:Papelbon's a lock (especially if the Tiger implosion continues)

In spite of everything going on with the Tigers, Verlander still has 16 wins...tied for third most in the AL...and he's second to Santana in ERA. He's got probably 3-4 starts left in the season. If he stays near the top of the ERA list and finishes with 18 or 19 wins...how can you deny him Rookie of the Year? Papelbon still has those gaudy numbers but I think it's almost the reverse of what you're saying. The Red Sox implosion has almost rendered Papelbon irrelevant but him getting hurt will slow down any moment for the award as well. He does have 6 blown saves...3 of them came last month. To finish the season as a closer with under 1.00 ERA and around 0.50 WHIP is remarkable...I won't deny him that.

Liriano has been awesome and if he does throw well in his few starts he'll have coming back, he could re-enter the race. To me, he's missed way too much time and you got to give the nod to Verlander over him because he's made it this far and has thrown 172 innings.
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Verlander is worthy!

Justin Verlander-- REC 16-7 |K 117 | ERA 3.19 | WHIP 1.27
27 Games and 172.0 Innings Pitched

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Francisco Liriano-- REC 12-3 | SV 1 | K142 | ERA 2.19 | WHIP 1.01
27 Games and 119.0 Innings Pitched

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Jonathan Papelbon --REC 4-2 | SV 35 |K 75 | ERA .92 | WHIP .78
59 Games and 68.1 Innings pitched

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All 3 are worthy...

Verlander has pitched the most innings, has the most wins and has a low ERA and WHIP.
That many innings may not be good in the long run but it probably will help his cause this year.

Liriano has a lower ERA and WHIP and has the most Strikeouts and has pitched in the same number of games as Verlander. He just doesn't pitch as many innings. Which is good for his long term potential!

Papelbon is a closer which will hurt his chances but he has an ERA and WHIP under 1.00 (Which is absolutely INSANE!!) and is among the league leaders in Saves.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/statistics
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Rack Fu wrote:Bobby Abreu might end up with about 20 RBI's tonight at this pace.
I sat him on my fantasy roster last night. 1 for 17 w/ two RBI's his previous six games (Balt and KC). Guess I'll play him tonight.
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Liriano goes down again...
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