Jews everywhere

[poptart]

Why ... ?

Jews account for about 2% of the population of the United States.
When you look at media/entertainment they either own, run, or occupy MANY (if not most) positions and areas of importance.
Frankly speaking, they totally DOMINATE the media/entertainment playing field.
Well, they dominate a lot more than this area but that is where I chose to put the focus.

How or why is it that a group so tiny in numbers has come to be such a force ... ?
It really IS a remarkable thing, no ... ?

?!?Possible Reasons?!?
They are superior human beings
They are God's chosen people and are blessed by Him
They Jewish family structure (and methods of child-rearing) is outstanding and promotes excellence on their part
They stand together as a group and have established a 'system' fostering the promotion of their own, and maintaining the 'system' already in place
Blind luck
A combination of the above



What's your take ... ?

[Smackie Chan]

Jews account for about 2% of the population of the United States.
When you look at media/entertainment they either own, run, or occupy MANY (if not most) positions and areas of importance.
Frankly speaking, they totally DOMINATE the media/entertainment playing field.
Well, they dominate a lot more than this area but that is where I chose to put the focus.

How or why is it that a group so tiny in numbers has come to be such a force ... ?
It really IS a remarkable thing, no ... ?


What's your take ... ?

You're Mel Gibson's son?

[poptart]

You're an intelligent man, Smackie.

Where's your take ... ?

[BSmack]

They Jewish family structure (and methods of child-rearing) is outstanding and promotes excellence on their part

I think you know where I stand.

sin

[Cicero]

I have 4-5 Jewish friends that I went to HS w/ and who I am still friends w/ to this day. I would say they all have a good family structure in that their parents are still married, they made sure they always had family dinner everynight and always went to synagogue on Friday's. Their parents all went to college and my friends went to Penn, Northwestern, Dartmouth, Lehigh and Michigan. Those are all really good schools and so they tend to get decent jobs at a young age. I think their faith keeps them somewhat grounded and they are really good when it comes to saving money.

[PSUFAN]

You realize you posted this on a board that features...m2?

By and large, what you attribute to Jewry is spot on...but then there are...



...anomalies...

[OCmike]

My favorite Jew. Rooooowwwwrrrr, baby! YEAH!

[PSUFAN]

^ Portman is gorgeous...but the Schindler's List hairdoo is killing me. Whoever dreamed that up should be flogged.

[Wolfman]

]
but you don't look Jewish !!

[Mikey]

Could it possibly be because the entertainment industry was essentialy started by Jews, and has been dominated to some degree by them ever since?

I'm sure you're familiar with names like:
Warner
Goldwyn
Mayer
Fox
Zukor
Laemmele
etc.?

Is there something wrong with this?
Do you think there's a conspiracy to keep the goyum out?

How long do you think it will be before a Jew (or black or Mexican) becomes CEO of Walmart?

All That Glitters is not Goldwyn: Early Hollywood Moguls

Perhaps no weapon in America’s media arsenal has proven as lasting as the Hollywood movie. What began as a low-grade form of entertainment, a somewhat disreputable venture at the turn of the nineteenth century became the most powerful international tool of American cultural power. Will Hays, the president of the original Motion Picture Producers and Distributors of America, called the film industry “the quintessence of what we mean by ‘America’.”

The founders and inventors of this “quintessential America” were almost without exception, immigrant and first-generation Jews. Within a few years of each other, Carl Laemmele built Universal; Adolf Zukor and Jesse Lasky, Paramount; Louis B. Mayer and the Schenks, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer; and Harry Cohn, Columbia. Together with the Warner Brothers, William Fox, and Samuel Goldwyn, these Moguls, whose lives and times are richly documented in the archives of the American Jewish Historical Society, created a constellation as brilliant as any the firmament could offer.

Who were they? A remarkably similar group --Yiddish-speaking immigrants or their sons, born in grinding poverty in shtetlekh or ghettoes, to pedigree-poor families, headed more often than not by ne’er do-well fathers. The Moguls, the men who invented the majesty and mystery of Hollywood, were a rough-hewn bunch of ambitious men determined to thrust themselves into the epicenter of American life.

Like Sam Goldwyn, famous for his malapropisms, many were semi-literate in English and made vulgarity and crudeness their stock in trade. At a dinner he gave to honor Madame Chiang Kai Shek, the flippant, fast-talking Jack Warner, a frustrated stand-up comedian, turned to the evening’s guest of honor and exclaimed, “Holy cow, I forgot to pick up my laundry.” When Albert Einstein visited his studio, Warner later boasted of telling the greatest scientist since Newton, “You know, I have a theory about relatives, too—don’t hire them.” And the acerbic, oftentimes slashing Harry Cohn once said, “To hell with the critics. They are like eunuchs. They can tell you how to do it but they can’t do it themselves.”

They began arriving in America during the 1880s, penniless boys drifting restlessly from job to job. Cutting their teeth on the ragged, half-world of fashion and retail, they became masters in gauging market swings, acquiring a special feel for detecting public taste. They finally struck it rich with the Nickelodeon, among the first to realize that people who were willing to stand in an arcade for a penny to see a movie, would pay a nickel to sit, as opposed to a quarter for live entertainment. 1903 was the turning point, the year that Carl Laemmle, Adolf Zukor, William Fox, and the Warner brothers came upon this paying invention. Within the next two decades they transformed a practically non-existent industry into one of the largest in America.

As immigrants themselves, the moguls in the making picked up on the dreams and aspirations of other immigrants and the working class, two largely overlapping groups, who would comprise a large portion of the early movie-going audience. By 1910, most of the future moguls were owners of small chains of moving-picture parlors that boasted whitewashed exteriors, uniformed ushers and male vocalists. Clever tacticians with a nose for making money, they understood that real profit lay in the distribution and eventually in production of movies.

Carl Laemmle, who blithely appropriated the name Universal in 1915 from a passing truck advertising a firm called “Universal Pipe Fittings,” was among the first Jewish producers to move to Hollywood. Three years earlier Sam Goldwyn and his brother-in-law Jesse Lasky, founders in Hollywood of the Lasky Feature Picture Company, produced Cecil B. DeMille’s “The Squaw Man,” giving birth to the celluloid Wild West.

These dream peddlers were particularly adept at turning a spark of talent into a blazing star. William Fox took credit for “discovering” Tom Mix and Theda Bara, a Jewish tailor’s daughter from Cincinnati born Theodosia Goodman. Carl Laemmle did the same for Mary Pickford. Harry Cohn’s credits included Ronald Coleman, Jean Arthur, Barbara Stanwyck and Cary Grant. Louis B. Mayer, a super-patriot who appropriated the Fourth of July for his birthday, created stars as diverse as Mickey Rooney, Judy Garland, Hedy Lamarr, Spencer Tracy and Katherine Hepburn. Sam Goldwyn (nee Gelbfisz) exploited the movie potential of Eddie Cantor, Danny Kaye, Gary Cooper and Joel McCrea, while Jack Warner turned such names as Robinson, Bogart, Raft, Garfield, Flynn, Muni and Davis into box-office gold.

The Moguls were uncomfortable with their Jewishness. When they finally gave to Jewish causes, they gave, according to Ben Hecht, as a way of doing penance for not being good Jews. And when they didn’t give, they were often nasty about it. Asked to support the cause of Jewish relief, Harry Cohn, the only mogul to be both bar-mitzvahed and posthumously baptized, said, “Relief for the Jews? How about relief from the Jews.” His other abrasions included defiantly keeping Columbia Pictures open on Yom Kippur.

The Moguls wanted desperately to be regarded as Americans and not as Jews. In a slew of anti-Nazi films Hollywood produced in the thirties and forties, nary a word is mentioned of anti-Semitism abroad. As for anti-Semitism at home, barely a frame was devoted to the subject until the making of “Gentlemen’s Agreement,” produced by one of the few gentile producers in the industry, Darryl Zanuck of Twentieth Century Fox. The birth pangs of Israel elicited little interest, and “Exodus” made its way to the silver screen only when the Jewish state was a foregone conclusion, a fixed reality in the minds of the movie-going public.

Neither scholars nor gentlemen nor very good Jews, the Hollywood Moguls, nevertheless, sounded a fundamental chord of American life. They had their finger on the pulse of Main Street as well as the main chance. Connoisseurs of mass entertainment, they reinvented a nation in the image of their dreams and gave it its most enduring cultural legacy.

[OCmike]

My favorite Jew. Rooooowwwwrrrr, baby! YEAH!

^ Portman is gorgeous...but the Schindler's List hairdoo is killing me. Whoever dreamed that up should be flogged.

She shaved it for that "V for Vendetta" flick.

[PSUFAN]

I still demand a flogging.

[BSmack]

I still demand a flogging.

I'm sure the 9:03 CJ will suffice.

[Degenerate]

Poptart=Steve Carlton?

[Mikey]

Poptart=Steve Carlton?

Nah, this is poptart...

[PSUFAN]

Any Jews in Korea? Isn't Seoul known as the Hollywood of the East?

[Mikey]

I think that would be Horrywood East, and they all want homes in Bear Air.

[Smackie Chan]

You're an intelligent man, Smackie.

There are certainly those who would disagree with you on that, including me, during the times when I can be a complete dumbass, one of which might be now.

Where's your take ... ?

Right here ...

I’ll intentionally avoid genetics as a possible factor (because all one would have to do is point to mtool to shoot down that theory) in trying to explain that which you claim, and stick to purely cultural traits. While I’m no Letterman, here’s my Top Ten list (in no particular order):

1. Self-reliance. If we accept that the Jews have been a historically persecuted and oppressed group, their success in this country (and in Israel) can be, in part, attributed to an attitude that to get ahead, one cannot expect others to help them get there. While other groups tend to look for handouts or special programs to aid in their rise from poverty and oppression, the Jews have adopted an ethic of hard work, education, and networking within their own group to escape second-class status. A sense of ingenuity plays in as well. Israel is geographically small and essentially located in a desert, yet has been able to develop agribusiness, for example, that not only allows them to be nearly self-sufficient, but also an exporter of produce to Europe and elsewhere.

2. Pride. Tied into self-reliance. A reluctance to accept handouts or help from others until the situation becomes desperate, and a desire to be seen as self-made.

3. Self-deprecation. While Jews (many of them, anyway) take their faith seriously and consider it an integral part of their everyday lives, they don’t take it so seriously that they become unable to laugh at, and make fun of, themselves. While this may be a defense mechanism, it also frees their minds to pursue paths to success, rather than wallow in self-pity and hatred toward others.

4. Humor. You mentioned their disproportionate numbers in the entertainment industry. While they are represented in the drama and music arenas, they are better known as being comedians. Of course, self-deprecation plays a large role in this, as does using humor to shield themselves from the ridicule of others, and the pain of their history.

5. Revenge. It is said that there is no better form of revenge than success. Rather than simply whine and cry about all the bad things that have befallen them throughout history, they have chosen to get revenge by supervising, overseeing, and making money from the descendants of those who did the oppressing.

6. Refusal to accept a victim mentality. The Jews are not a group to collectively cry, “Woe is me!” They pick themselves up off the ground, and move on without looking for pity. They don’t look for or use excuses to explain lack of opportunity.

7. Fear of failing to meet expectations. You mentioned the family unit, which often places much pressure on children to succeed. The stereotype of the Jewish mother pushing young Sheldon to become a doctor or a lawyer isn’t off the mark, and the sense of not wanting to let down, or worse yet, of shaming the family, serves as a strong motivator to succeed.

8. Openness to new ideas. Two things come to mind here. One is an episode of The Simpsons in which Maggie is thought to have a genius IQ. The head of the private school into which Homer and Marge are trying to have her enrolled says something to the effect of, “She has the highest IQ I’ve ever seen in a Christian!” The other is when I was taking a college philosophy class, in which the first instruction from the professor was to “check your religious beliefs at the door.” When the subject of discussion turned to Rene Descartes, it was acknowledged that while he was unquestionably a brilliant man, he was limited in his ability to accept new ideas because he was a devout Catholic. While Jews are certainly also bound by religious beliefs, they seem to me to be more willing to set them aside in order to accept new ideas than the more devout among the Christians and Muslims. (This might be the weakest of the arguments in this list.)

9. Playing to strengths. For whatever reasons, as you mentioned, there seems to be disproportionate numbers of Jews in the entertainment industry, as well as in finance, medicine, and law, to name but a few areas where they seem to thrive. This has been the case for more than a generation or two, so it seems they have followed the advice that encourages individuals (or a group, in this case) to “find something you’re good at, then do it.”

10. Assimilation. While they adhere to their culture and take pride in their differences from the “mainstream Christian” American society in which they live, they don’t isolate themselves or emphasize those differences. Rather, they blend in and try to contribute in a positive manner to their society, becoming one with, rather than separate from, those who make up the majority.

I didn’t really put much thought into this list, and freely admit that it may all be bullshit. But you asked for a take, so you got one.

[PSUFAN]

I'm not googling all of that.

[Dinsdale]

1/16th, YOU ASS!!!!

[PSUFAN]

6. Refusal to accept a victim mentality.

That's where I started LOLing.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

I wasn't going to reply to this thread, but after reading Smackies list I had to give him some props.

Rack you and that list! Not so much for it's accuracy (who cares if it is or isn't), but for that fact that it will make LTSFrisco's head explode when he reads it. I can't wait for his reply.

Any way, I'm a "keeping the bell curve honest" type Jew, but most of my friends fall into the "Pillars of the Community" "successful" types who propagate the stereotype. Of course if you're going to be stereotyped, it's not a bad one to be associated to.


PS. Racks to Dins & PSU, you two are enfuego today!

[Cuda]

]
but you don't look Jewish !!

Everyone is equal in my eye.

[Diogenes]

6. Refusal to accept a victim mentality.

That's where I started LOLing.

Then you miss the point. Whereas some groups look at past wrongs and present inequalities and use them as an excuse for failure, Jews in general tend to use them as an impetus to succeed.




And ZOG says you are all our bitches. Especially Marty.

[Smackie Chan]

They Jewish family structure (and methods of child-rearing) is outstanding and promotes excellence on their part

I think you know where I stand.

sin

I don't think dude's doin' much standing anymore.

[silvurna]

Poptart=Steve Carlton?

Nah, this is poptart...

Gray up the beard and hair...a swastika tatt on the forehead...Voila! Charlie Manson(MAhm is halfway there already)

[LTS TRN 2]

Here I is!


O-tay, let's take a lil' look at this so-called list...


1. Self-reliance. If we accept that the Jews have been a historically persecuted and oppressed group, their success in this country (and in Israel) can be, in part, attributed to an attitude that to get ahead, one cannot expect others to help them get there. While other groups tend to look for handouts or special programs to aid in their rise from poverty and oppression, the Jews have adopted an ethic of hard work, education, and networking within their own group to escape second-class status. A sense of ingenuity plays in as well. Israel is geographically small and essentially located in a desert, yet has been able to develop agribusiness, for example, that not only allows them to be nearly self-sufficient, but also an exporter of produce to Europe and elsewhere.

--Well, the success of Israel, at least is a case of MASSIVE UNABATED WELFARE HANDOUTS. How much? Over $100 Billion in the past fifty years--and that's just the over-the-counter cash.
As for the "agri-business" of Israel, this has proven a cruel and tragic bust. There simply isn't enough water. Not even close, and tremendous damage has been rendered to the region's delicate ecosystem. While currently a vibrant high-tech sector has been developed in Tel Aviv, Israel's economy has always been based on WEAPONS--and they'll sell to ANYONE.


2. Pride. Tied into self-reliance. A reluctance to accept handouts or help from others until the situation becomes desperate, and a desire to be seen as self-made.

--See above. As for Jews in America, the NUMBER ONE recipient of Affirmative Action benefits has been Jewish women. Did you know that?


3. Self-deprecation. While Jews (many of them, anyway) take their faith seriously and consider it an integral part of their everyday lives, they don’t take it so seriously that they become unable to laugh at, and make fun of, themselves. While this may be a defense mechanism, it also frees their minds to pursue paths to success, rather than wallow in self-pity and hatred toward others.

--While indeed the vast majority of Jews are secular--and make up the leadership in many anti-war, anti-"free-trade" agendas, as well as groups opposing Israeli policies--the Israelis, anyway, clearly feel--and act--as though international law does not apply to them. Why? Because of the ESSENTIAL tenet in their..uh, Tribal Charter, maintains a "Chosen People" quality to them that simply allows ANYTHING. You know, like 300 ILLEGAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS (with full delivery systems).

4. Humor. You mentioned their disproportionate numbers in the entertainment industry. While they are represented in the drama and music arenas, they are better known as being comedians. Of course, self-deprecation plays a large role in this, as does using humor to shield themselves from the ridicule of others, and the pain of their history.

--Uh..this supposes that Jerry Seinfeld and his laugh-track are funny. Now Victor Borge is funny, but was Milton Berle really "funny"? Woody Allen? Tom Green? Who cares?


5. Revenge. It is said that there is no better form of revenge than success. Rather than simply whine and cry about all the bad things that have befallen them throughout history, they have chosen to get revenge by supervising, overseeing, and making money from the descendants of those who did the oppressing.

--Well, revenge is certainly the defining characteristic of the Old Testament tribal god--and all the gruesome stories of that book. However, one might also consider that the primary message of the Talmud is to pillage and loot the "goyim" as well as one can. It's disgusting but it's right there.


6. Refusal to accept a victim mentality. The Jews are not a group to collectively cry, “Woe is me!” They pick themselves up off the ground, and move on without looking for pity. They don’t look for or use excuses to explain lack of opportunity.

--This is of course patantly ludicrous, as Jews have made an industry of Holocaust Reminders. Movies, plays, books, museums, pamphlets, and a steady parade of PBS documentaries insure that the crimes of the Germans will live forever--and serve to justify or assuage any current crimes and atrocities being carried out by Israel.

7. Fear of failing to meet expectations. You mentioned the family unit, which often places much pressure on children to succeed. The stereotype of the Jewish mother pushing young Sheldon to become a doctor or a lawyer isn’t off the mark, and the sense of not wanting to let down, or worse yet, of shaming the family, serves as a strong motivator to succeed.

--While it's true that there are an inordinate number of ball-busting harping yentas driving their sons and daughters into emotional damage--and this is the REAL reason for the tremendous rate of "out-marriage" by Jewish men--it's still basically a stereotype .

8. Openness to new ideas. Two things come to mind here. One is an episode of The Simpsons in which Maggie is thought to have a genius IQ. The head of the private school into which Homer and Marge are trying to have her enrolled says something to the effect of, “She has the highest IQ I’ve ever seen in a Christian!” The other is when I was taking a college philosophy class, in which the first instruction from the professor was to “check your religious beliefs at the door.” When the subject of discussion turned to Rene Descartes, it was acknowledged that while he was unquestionably a brilliant man, he was limited in his ability to accept new ideas because he was a devout Catholic. While Jews are certainly also bound by religious beliefs, they seem to me to be more willing to set them aside in order to accept new ideas than the more devout among the Christians and Muslims. (This might be the weakest of the arguments in this list.)

--Yer right, let's skip this one.

9. Playing to strengths. For whatever reasons, as you mentioned, there seems to be disproportionate numbers of Jews in the entertainment industry, as well as in finance, medicine, and law, to name but a few areas where they seem to thrive. This has been the case for more than a generation or two, so it seems they have followed the advice that encourages individuals (or a group, in this case) to “find something you’re good at, then do it.”

--Sure, and if you can't get into the field--let's say because of discrimination--then you go into CRIME. For example, a small but very ambitious group of Jewish attornies in the 1940's carefully stole hundreds of millions of dollars in property and assets from the Japanese Americans interned during WWII. Perhaps if these guys hadn't been denied entrance to the traditional legal world, they wouldn't have become rapacious thieves. Who knows?

10. Assimilation. While they adhere to their culture and take pride in their differences from the “mainstream Christian” American society in which they live, they don’t isolate themselves or emphasize those differences. Rather, they blend in and try to contribute in a positive manner to their society, becoming one with, rather than separate from, those who make up the majority.

--Interesting, but when we see the "Jewish Owned" movie/television industry pumping out "The Ten Commandments" every year like a ritual, well this isn't assimilating, it's SUBSUMING. Look at the Christer judge in Georgia insisting--defying the U.S. law he's pledged to uphold--that the Ten Commandments be displayed outside his courthouse. Ever wonder why the U.S. is the ONLY non-muslim nation to practice circumcision on a fairly regular basis? That's SUBSUMPTION. And really, what's a Christer except a converted Jew? Don't they believe in the Old Testament as well as their New doctrine, etc?

Bottom line, Jews are just like anyone else. If prosecuted and forced to bind together--just like the Italians, Irish, Chinese--they will succeed in America. Sometimes legally, sometimes not.

What's the difference? It should be pretty fucking obvious to anyone that the fact of the Christer cult having spread its bloody tentacles through the history of Western culture has insured that the Jews--regardless of the occasional backlash persecution--enjoy a latant but telling deep-seated sort of veneration among the Christer headspace. Why else would a simplistic Christer like Harry Truman have signed off so readily on the apartheid state in the making, Israel, in 1948? It's obviously proven a dreadful idea, fomenting nothing but strife, bloodshed, and American shame ever since. But don't blame the Jews. It's the Christers, stupid!

[Diogenes]

ZOG owns you, bitch.

[LTS TRN 2]

No, Dio, in fact Zog sent me an e-mail the other day, assuring that he worships me. I told him "no kneeling required."

[Diogenes]

No, Dio, in fact Zog sent me an e-mail the other day, assuring that he worships me.

That's because the more you post or speak, the more powerful we become.

And it's ZOG, bitch.

[LTS TRN 2]

But you're not speaking for,..uh, ZOG, right? Because I've drawn a circle around his power, as mentioned.

The Christers want to get stronger, that's for sure. Go see "Jesus Camp," the harrowing new documentary film about the taliban-like training camp for Christer Youth. Scary, but so is the fact that this same strain initiated Prohibition in this country not so long ago.

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

~~~ opens third beer, keeps reading...~~~

[Smackie Chan]

O-tay, let's take a lil' look at this so-called list...

So you did, and while your comments are certainly appreciated, you missed the mark in many cases if your attempt was to debunk or contradict what I stated. Remember, I was simply trying to offer explanations for 'tart's questions as to why Jews have been successful in this country, specifically in the entertainment industry, but not limited to it. I didn't concern myself with politics or the morality of the existence of Israel, and tried not to pass judgment. You can love 'em, hate, or not give a shit one way or another about 'em; but the Jews are here, and they, as a group, are pretty damn successful.

Well, the success of Israel, at least is a case of MASSIVE UNABATED WELFARE HANDOUTS.

Maybe so, but how many Goldsteins are unemployed, eating in soup kitchens, or on the welfare rolls in this country?

As for Jews in America, the NUMBER ONE recipient of Affirmative Action benefits has been Jewish women. Did you know that?

I did not know that. Link?

While indeed the vast majority of Jews are secular--and make up the leadership in many anti-war, anti-"free-trade" agendas, as well as groups opposing Israeli policies--the Israelis, anyway, clearly feel--and act--as though international law does not apply to them. Why? Because of the ESSENTIAL tenet in their..uh, Tribal Charter, maintains a "Chosen People" quality to them that simply allows ANYTHING. You know, like 300 ILLEGAL NUCLEAR WEAPONS (with full delivery systems).

And this has to do with self-deprecation how?

Uh..this supposes that Jerry Seinfeld and his laugh-track are funny. Now Victor Borge is funny, but was Milton Berle really "funny"? Woody Allen? Tom Green? Who cares?

You can debate the merits (or lack thereof) of their senses of humor, which is subjective, but it's tough to win an argument about their success. Unless you limit it to Tom Green.

Well, revenge is certainly the defining characteristic of the Old Testament tribal god--and all the gruesome stories of that book. However, one might also consider that the primary message of the Talmud is to pillage and loot the "goyim" as well as one can. It's disgusting but it's right there.

So we agree on revenge. Next ...

This is of course patantly ludicrous, as Jews have made an industry of Holocaust Reminders. Movies, plays, books, museums, pamphlets, and a steady parade of PBS documentaries insure that the crimes of the Germans will live forever--and serve to justify or assuage any current crimes and atrocities being carried out by Israel.

This is where you definitely don't get it. You reinforce my point, rather than refute it, with the emboldened portion of your quote above. I'm not saying they don't consider themselves victims. I'm saying they don't allow their status as victims to impede their success. Making an industry of their history is not a sign of victim mentality. Claiming that "da man don't be lettin' a bruthah have a chance" is. Big difference.

While it's true that there are an inordinate number of ball-busting harping yentas driving their sons and daughters into emotional damage--and this is the REAL reason for the tremendous rate of "out-marriage" by Jewish men--it's still basically a stereotype .

My points are, for the sake of argument, limited to economic success. Mental stability and well-being is another subject, and given that there are plenty o' Joos in therapy, I won't argue against what you're saying.

Yer right

Not sure if you're saying I'm right about what I stated as a reason, or that it was weak (although I can take a pretty good guess), but I really don't care. I'm willing to skip it, too.

Sure, and if you can't get into the field--let's say because of discrimination--then you go into CRIME. For example, a small but very ambitious group of Jewish attornies in the 1940's carefully stole hundreds of millions of dollars in property and assets from the Japanese Americans interned during WWII. Perhaps if these guys hadn't been denied entrance to the traditional legal world, they wouldn't have become rapacious thieves. Who knows?

I never said they were all saints. But you gotta admit that many who opted for a life of crime were successful at it.

Interesting, but when we see the "Jewish Owned" movie/television industry pumping out "The Ten Commandments" every year like a ritual, well this isn't assimilating, it's SUBSUMING. Look at the Christer judge in Georgia insisting--defying the U.S. law he's pledged to uphold--that the Ten Commandments be displayed outside his courthouse. Ever wonder why the U.S. is the ONLY non-muslim nation to practice circumcision on a fairly regular basis? That's SUBSUMPTION. And really, what's a Christer except a converted Jew? Don't they believe in the Old Testament as well as their New doctrine, etc?

Go off on a tangent much? You can cherry-pick all you want, but all things considered, Jews have assimilated rather successfully into Americana.

Bottom line, Jews are just like anyone else. If prosecuted and forced to bind together--just like the Italians, Irish, Chinese--they will succeed in America. Sometimes legally, sometimes not.

So why all the hate? Or do you just hate everyone?

What's the difference? It should be pretty fucking obvious to anyone that the fact of the Christer cult having spread its bloody tentacles through the history of Western culture has insured that the Jews--regardless of the occasional backlash persecution--enjoy a latant but telling deep-seated sort of veneration among the Christer headspace. Why else would a simplistic Christer like Harry Truman have signed off so readily on the apartheid state in the making, Israel, in 1948? It's obviously proven a dreadful idea, fomenting nothing but strife, bloodshed, and American shame ever since. But don't blame the Jews. It's the Christers, stupid!

I don't disagree (yeah, I know it's a double negative, Dins) with some (perhaps much) of what you're saying. But none of it is germane to this discussion. Now, go ahead and let those veins settle back into your neck.

[Dr_Phibes]

Remember, I was simply trying to offer explanations for 'tart's questions as to why Jews have been successful in this country, specifically in the entertainment industry, but not limited to it.

Something to take into consideration is what the socialists have always maintained - that success in money is tied to usury, money lending, exploitation and huckstering. Monetary 'self reliance' was the historical cause of Jewish persecution, not the reaction.
So it only makes sense that jews should thrive in the US, the pillar of capitalism - yet fail horribly in socialism and elsewhere, which forces jews to stop acting in a tribal fashion, consider themselves part of mankind and act as equal members in their community, as opposed to simply being jews acting solely in self-interest.

And you're right about eliminating genetics - they are a product of their historical enviroment.

[poptart]

I didn't concern myself with politics or the morality of the existence of Israel, and tried not to pass judgment. You can love 'em, hate, or not give a shit one way or another about 'em; but the Jews are here, and they, as a group, are pretty damn successful.

Yes, and RACK you for your list of 10, Smackie.
Many accuracies and truths in your 10 points, and good fodder for discussion.

Also interesting, Mikey, to read about the 'roots' of Jewish dominance in Hollywood, etc.
But it was more than mere 'happenstance' that they established themselves in entertainment/media, IMO.

~ The Moguls, the men who invented the majesty and mystery of Hollywood, were a rough-hewn bunch of ambitious men determined to thrust themselves into the epicenter of American life. ~




Everybody wants to rule the world


Yes, everybody really DOES want to rule the world.
The Jews have, in fact, to a large extent managed to actually DO that.
They've done it by doing just what the 'moguls' set out to do ......... thrust themselves into the epicenter of American life.
If you're going to rule the world you've got to shape the course and culture of the most powerful nation ON earth.

What 'the Jews' have managed to do is rule OVER (and shape) culture, rather than have it rule over them, and this is a VERY significant point.

Most American people don't even realize the extent to which the culture dictates the actions of their life.
The average sheep American is oblivious to the fact that culture is his 'God', and how much he bows down to it.
Broad generalization, but 'Jews' have gone ABOVE the culture and dictated IT, rather than have it dictate to them.
By doing so they have exerted an influence over the US and the World that far far FAR exceeds their population.
It's a remarkable thing.


My own take as to how/why:

1. God loves, and has blessed the Jewish people in many regards.
2. Very solid family and child-raising focus. Early reinforcement of the concept that you (child) will lead rather than be led.
3. They've established (loosely or not) a network, a 'system' in which promotion of 'their own' takes place.


Nicky actually makes some points of accuracy, but his blind hated and lack of objectivity clouds his judgement, IMO.

[M2]

Hmmm.... where to go with this.

Qualifiable? Maybe... if my brain was stuck in second gear.

[Mister Bushice]

Yes, everybody really DOES want to rule the world.

Not me. Gimme a place to be and leave me the fuck alone, I'm good.

[PSUFAN]

jeez...rack smackie.

[LTS TRN 2]

Hey, I'm no hater! I just think Christianity is a totally bogus, ass-backwards religion. A hodge-podge of other religions twisted this way and that, with a undergirding of Judasim, perhaps the foulest religion of all time. And I've never seen, read, or met anyone particularly intelligent who's a Christer. Remember, it CREATED the Dark Ages, and all progress since then has come as a ersult of fighting through the repressive restrictions of Christianity. Culturally speaking, it's a virus.

And I really don't like hyper-military apartheid states that routinely brutalize millions of people.

Aside from that, in the words of the Miracles, sans Smokey Robinson, I'm Just A Love Machine. Really.

[War Wagon]

And I've never seen, read, or met anyone particularly intelligent who's a Christer.

^^^Needs to get out more.