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Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:43 pm

Loganfan wrote:
PrimeX wrote:
Loganfan wrote: I see you lopped off the 'certainly in the NL'

Probably because I had no argument with the "tops in the NL" part? Good eye though, slugger.

Mikey, I see your posted stats and raise you a young bully throwing to the DH vs. a bully throwing to pitchers/ weak pinch hitters in the NL.

That's a damn good point.

In a close game, most managers in the NL would opt to pinch hitter in the pitcher position or double-switch. I think starting pitchers are more apt to face pitchers in the lineup but in a close-and-late situation, I don't think a manager would ever let their pitcher hit for themselves unless the pitcher was unhittable that night. From that sense, it's like facing a full 9-man order instead of 8 and a pitcher. Pinch-hitters are used often because a certain reliever is in...to force the other manager to make a move. To use the DH argument against AL vs. NL bullpens isn't as valid as it seems. However, you don't see guys like Ortiz, Giambi, Thomas and Hafner in NL lineups either because they couldn't really play in the field.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:12 pm

Shoalzie wrote:However, you don't see guys like Ortiz, Giambi, Thomas and Hafner in NL lineups either because they couldn't really play in the field.

Ever seen Carlos Delgado try and field a ball?

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:10 am

What did I say about the Stros and rookie pitchers?

James is killing us.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:36 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Shoalzie wrote:However, you don't see guys like Ortiz, Giambi, Thomas and Hafner in NL lineups either because they couldn't really play in the field.

Ever seen Carlos Delgado try and field a ball?

Most first basemen aren't that fleet of foot...that's why they stick them at first. The four guys I mentioned were 1B at some point but their physical limitations make them a liability in the field but they're still elite hitters and perfect options as DHs. I'm sure there are some of those guys in NL...most of the first basemen immediately come to mind. Ryan Howard has the second most errors at first but obviously most people think of his 58 home runs. Bonds ain't exactly a gold glover in left anymore...I'm sure he'll be a DH in the AL somewhere next year.

You get my point though...when it gets later in the game when the bullpen is depended upon, the opposing manager isn't going to let their pitcher hit unless they can actually handle the bat, have the ability to bunt or they pitching too well to remove them. You see some of those guys that come in to just face one or two hitters...odds are, neither of them are pitchers. You'll have those guys to come in to face a lefty or to turn around a switch hitter to their weaker side. Relievers are used to retire dangerous hitters. No doubt, most pitchers are free outs but in a late and close situation, managers don't want to give up outs unless it is in a sacrifice situation. All I'm saying is using the DH argument doesn't hold as much water. It's not outlandish to say an NL team can have a better bullpen than an AL squad simply because the pitcher hits in the NL.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:39 am

IndyFrisco wrote:What did I say about the Stros and rookie pitchers?

James is killing us.

You've still got that Clemens guy throwing for your side...I still like your chances. The 'Sros just need to knock a couple in and you're golden.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:41 am

Like I said, Clemens will give up 2 or 3. He's given up 2 so far and no one is out.

Unless we tee off on James here, we're done.

Go Brewers.

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:43 am

Have some respect, this might be Clemens' final game.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:56 am

JCT wrote:Have some respect, this might be Clemens' final game.

How many times has that phrase been said in the past?

Always mad respect for 'The Rocket' but I won't buy into to the retirement talk until it actually happens. The guy can still deal at his age and his body isn't breaking down like some of the veteran pitchers out there. Aside from the family thing, I don't see what would keep him pitching again next year. Someone will be willing to pay him mercenary money to help them out...the Red Sox immediately come to mind.

(Go White Sox!)

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:27 am

Geez..looks like my 3-1 prediction is coming true.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 1:58 am

Speaking of bullpens...blown save by Jones...Royals tie it up 5-5. Fuck! :x

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 3:30 am

Well, I gotta say I called this one. First I said the Braves pwn us and then I said how we can't hit shit off a new pitcher.

It was a good run. Now I can post on the season over thread...again.

socal · Post by **socal** » Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:19 am

Dodgers tied for first.

:D

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 10:00 pm

interesting, it's been over 3 days and no Astro replies.

wow quiet for 152 games, running dicksucker 152-158, quiet since.

take your roiding pitchers and enjoy the fairways.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Tue Oct 03, 2006 5:09 pm

Adelpiero wrote:

take your roiding pitchers and enjoy the fairways.

Take your gas can Bully and we'll see you in three games. We'll reminisce about last week. It'll be great. Garner said he'll bring the egg salad.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:04 pm

So, how'd the Cubs/Cards/'stos sig bets turn out this season? Just checkin'.

Mace

It's too bad I waited...or forgot...to bet you on that earlier in the year Mace. As it is, if you wish, you can always borrow this hear belt buckle as your sig, it ought to fit you just fine. :wink:

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:46 pm

Mace wrote:Lucky for you that you missed the sig bet, Jay. It was for the season series, which the Cubs won (as usual) over the soon to be vacationing Cardinals. :)

BTW, I think we saw better pitching in the Little League World Series than we've seen from the Redbird staff this season.

Mace

mace, your sig was on the line.

Web Page Name

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:07 pm

Mace wrote:Lucky for you that you missed the sig bet, Jay. It was for the season series, which the Cubs won (as usual) over the soon to be vacationing Cardinals. :)

BTW, I think we saw better pitching in the Little League World Series than we've seen from the Redbird staff this season.

Mace

Yep, I did skate by on the bet. Timing is everuhh thing. And yeah, the Redbird pitching staff is pretty anemic, outside of Carpenter. Time for their annual playoff gag job now.

Crap.

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:14 pm

Remember the last time Jeff Weaver pitched in the post season? I see him getting battered like blondie after a raider's loss.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:42 pm

JCT wrote:Remember the last time Jeff Weaver pitched in the post season? I see him getting battered like blondie after a raider's loss.

He's pitched two good games in a row.

Wells is battling the gout and his gut. He'll pitch four innings max and then the bullpen will be burdened by his short stay. I look forward to lots of Cardinal bunting and stealing... for the first time all year. Hope the idiots don't go up to the plate with a "be aggressive and swing early" approach.

JCT · Post by **JCT** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:45 pm

Wells will be fine. He's currently soaking his foot in a tub of Vat 69 and having his elbow rubbed down with salt pork and royal icing.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:08 pm

Well there you go...Jeff Weaver did just well enough and Wells didn't.

2-0 Cards.

Saved the gagging for one more day.

Or not...?

The Assassin · Post by **The Assassin** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:17 pm

Pujols 2 Padres 0.

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:20 pm

Time for an 84esque comeback.

If this season winds down to Yankees and Mets I may just boycott the whole fucking thing.
And fuck you Lasorda.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:31 am

carpenter melting as i type

if sd does come back and wins this series, the mother of melts will hit the newspapers, forums, and talk shows.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:23 am

Adelpiero wrote:Roy O should win the Cy.

RACK

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:28 am

roy o is a one bad muther fucka

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 1:37 am

Well, since you decided not to take the bait...

I have this suspicion that Hoffman gets the Cy. But you and I both know the best 2 NL pitchers reside in the NL CENTRAL!! I don't know what has had Carp so shaky the last few weeks.

Loganfan · Post by **Loganfan** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:33 am

rozy wrote:Well, since you decided not to take the bait...

I have this suspicion that Hoffman gets the Cy. But you and I both know the best 2 NL pitchers reside in the NL CENTRAL!! I don't know what has had Carp so shaky the last few weeks.

16 wins ain't that impressive.

Trevor had 46 saves and an era of around 2.

Trevor for the Cy young!!!!!

Oh....Props to the Cards.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:36 am

BIG props to the Cards and to Carp.

Now, dispatch the Mets and then go get Edmonds and Pujols the ring they are long overdue for.

Loganfan · Post by **Loganfan** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:38 am

rozy wrote:BIG props to the Cards and to Carp.

Now, dispatch the Mets and then go get Edmonds and Pujols the ring they are long overdue for.

Ummm....Jimmy certainly, but Albert hasn't been in long enough to start a 'win one for Albert' chant

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:40 am

Props to the Cards.

Good luck against the Mets. Any WS with no NY team in it is a good WS.

Big unprops to the Pads for rolling over like usual. Nice season though, so thanks for that.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:16 pm

Could be the year for the Cards. Mets have major injuries with SP. Yanks are out of it. Could be the year...hope it isn't though. Can't live it down here in Southern Indiana.

Jay in Phoenix · Post by **Jay in Phoenix** » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:34 pm

Okay, so that's step one. History repeats as the Cards take care of the Pads. Histroy probably repeats as they take care of a weakened Mets staff.

Then history really repeats as the Cards fold again in the W.S.

Dammit I want these guys to get over the post-season collapses they seem to be mired in, but until they do, I'm not optimistic.

Just hopeful.