Forget the polls, what's your Top 10 look like now?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:09 pm

Felix wrote: you play the hand you were dealt

Don't get me wrong -- Ducks fan is VERY familiar with alleged "powerhouses" that cower like babies when hit up for a H&H. I'd list some of those who ducked the Ducks, but it would take a while, and would piss off a bunch of people in this forum(who would make excuses, or say "I never heard about that").

But at some point, a program is responsible for scheduling some real games. And BSU has been feeding on a fairly steady diet of Oregon States and...worse.

Play the hands you're dealt, but remember, you do get the dealer button in front of you every once in a while.

I for one can't stand when overrated teams from overrated conferences always get the "benefit of the doubt" (LSU much).......

Dude....you DID NOT just question an SEC team's worthiness on this board, did you?

OK, I'm going to back off my BSU scheduling rants. Their OOC schedule makes most SEC teams look like they're playing high schools. Actually, maybe Auburn will come to Boise and play a.....

BWAHAHAHA!!!! Just kidding.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:17 pm

Van wrote:
Degenerate wrote:
Van wrote:Texas looked okay against the #1 team in the nation,
Getting outclassed in every phase of the game does not translate into looking "okay."

Van wrote:Truly, some of you people are on crack.
I can think of at least one person on here who is.
Texas didn't get completely rolled. They only gave up 24 points and they were still in the game for most of the game.

They looked okay; not good enough to beat #1, but at least okay, all things considering.

Texas had the same problem the OU had against us. lots of dumb penalities, a couple of turnovers and 5 dropped passes that ended up killing drives. I'm not saying Texas was ever in position to win that game because we couldn't stop tOSU passing game if our life depended on it. What I'm saying is if you look at the stats it was much much closer than the final score indicated.

I will also say that if McCoy continues to improve this team is going to be scary good, probably still don't make the championship game but there won't be more than 2 teams better.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:34 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:Texas had the same problem the OU had against us. lots of dumb penalities, a couple of turnovers and 5 dropped passes that ended up killing drives. I'm not saying Texas was ever in position to win that game because we couldn't stop tOSU passing game if our life depended on it. What I'm saying is if you look at the stats it was much much closer than the final score indicated.

Same for the ND/UofM game. ND wouldn't have won, but ND gift wrapped 24 points for UofM.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:42 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
Dude....you DID NOT just question an SEC team's worthiness on this board, did you?

why yes I did.........

Actually, maybe Auburn will come to Boise and play a.....

Auburnt, the team that just got bitchslapped by Arkansas.........

bad example.......

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:04 pm

Van wrote: Texas didn't get completely rolled. They only gave up 24 points and they were still in the game for most of the game.

They only gave up 24 points because that's all Tressel needed to score to win with ease. That's how Jim Tressel rolls.

Or don't you watch much football if it doesn't involve USC?

That game was effectively over when Ohio State went to a wide open Anthony Gonzalez three times in the second quarter within the span of five plays. For all Gene Chizik's supposed brilliance, he missed the mark badly that night. Had UT actually put up points, tOSU had the chops to put up 30 or 40. But there was no need to do so, so he played field position.

And if you think you're still "in the game" when you're down 10 or more to a Jim Tressel-coached team, then you need to review his record when that's the case. The numbers aren't on your side.

Van · Post by **Van** » Tue Oct 10, 2006 7:56 pm

Jesus, all I said was that Texas looked "okay" against the definite #1 team in the nation.

I didn't say they almost beat OSU. I didn't say they were "three plays away from winning".

I said Texas looked "okay". They didn't get utterly steamrolled. They didn't get shut out. They didn't give up 50 points and 500 yards...

With an absolute newbie at the controls they gave a decent showing against the best team in the nation.

In order to satisfy your constipated bloodlust do we now have to debate the finite definition of "okay" as it relates to early season CF performances?

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 10:53 pm

Van wrote:Vito, off of what's transpired on the field so far this season I think you're doing a disservice to Michigan.

Auburn's showed a whole lot less than Michigan. Michigan's looked just as good as Florida so far.

Just to get back to this question, I think we will learn a lot about Florida this week. If they take care of business I will move Florida up there with tOSU.

Michigan has taken care of business, but I'm never one to get too impressed with offensive numbers. Defense wins championships and I don't think Michigan has one, yet. I look forward to seeing what happens with the rest of the year, but right now I think Michigan loses to tOSU.

Van · Post by **Van** » Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:57 pm

I'd agree, but we were talking about Michigan vs both Florida and Auburn there, not Michigan vs OSU. Michigan's showed more than Auburn so far and every bit as much as Florida.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:46 am

The reason I think so highly of Auburn is their ability to play defense vs Michigan's offense. Right now i think Florida is 2nd most well rounded team, I thnk both Texas and USC have the ability to pass them but UF is right up there. Michigan has beaten a Notre Dame team with a shakey defense.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 12:48 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:The reason I think so highly of Auburn is their ability to play defense vs Michigan's offense. Right now i think Florida is 2nd most well rounded team, I thnk both Texas and USC have the ability to pass them but UF is right up there. Michigan has beaten a Notre Dame team with a shakey defense.

If you watched the ND/UofM game, you would have seen Michigan piss all over ND's offense by rushing only 4. Their front 4 is one of the best groups in the country.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 4:38 pm

Killian wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:The reason I think so highly of Auburn is their ability to play defense vs Michigan's offense. Right now i think Florida is 2nd most well rounded team, I thnk both Texas and USC have the ability to pass them but UF is right up there. Michigan has beaten a Notre Dame team with a shakey defense.
If you watched the ND/UofM game, you would have seen Michigan piss all over ND's offense by rushing only 4. Their front 4 is one of the best groups in the country.

No offense but the ND oline is not very good. So far in 5 games ND has given up 13 sacks and 10 more hurries. Your running game has been non-existant averaging about 77 net yards per game. The onlything elite about the Irish offense is your passing game. If Michigan's defense is elite for the job they did against Notre Dame then Perdue must be NFL level since they doubled Michigans numbers. Just saying, Michigan's D is not elite level, might be good, but not elite.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:16 pm

Be honest Vito. How many Michigan games have you watched?

The ND running game was non-existant against UofM because of their defense. Purdue brought heat on Quinn by blitzing a linebacker or two. UofM got a pass rush on every play by rushing 4 and dropping 7 into coverage.

But again, how many UofM games have you watched?

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:52 pm

I watched the Notre Dame game and part of the Minnesota, MSU and Wisc games. Michigan has been on ESPN just about every week. I usually like to flip around and catch more than one game.

Again, I'm not saying Michigan is a bad defense but they are not an elite defense either.

But I am saying is ND does not have a very good oline

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 6:21 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:I watched the Notre Dame game and part of the Minnesota, MSU and Wisc games. Michigan has been on ESPN just about every week. I usually like to flip around and catch more than one game.

Again, I'm not saying Michigan is a bad defense but they are not an elite defense either.

But I am saying is ND does not have a very good oline

Defensively, Michigan has dominated every game they have played. They are an elite defense led by one of the best corners in America and a front 4 that is as good as anyone elses.

I agree with you about ND's offensive line. Their guards are awful. Willingham and Davie recruited finesse offensive lineman and it's biting them in the ass. My guess is that in two years, ND will have one of the best olines in the country.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Thu Oct 12, 2006 9:00 pm

Ok, I just did a stats search for meat chicken and I'm going to retract my previous take. Statistically they are much better than I thought. They have played a pretty tough schedule and still have the #1 rushing defense.

In the games I watched I didn't think they looked great but evidently they are a lot better than I thought.

So right now I will put them up there with Florida.