Damon Huard causes QB controversy

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:18 am

When Trent went down, I thought that was pretty much SEASON OVER for KC. Who knew this guy was going to come in and perform like the second coming of Tom Brady? Certainly not moi.

The guy has very simply been nailz, even today when he supposedly had a tweaked groin and eveyone in KC was gripping over Brody Croyle making his first start as an untested rookie.

So what's he do? Goes out and throws for 312 yards, zero INT's, and one TD. He now has 8 TD passes and one INT in 5 games as a starter. He's easily in the top 5 in QB rating's and has a 4-2 record as a starter.

Which brings me to my question. Should Trent Green replace Huard as the starter when he's 100% ready to go?

The Herminator says that Trent Green is his starter, and I can understand that decision. Trent's had 4 consecutive 4,000 yard seasons, and has proved his mettle. But how in hell do you bench Huard when he's been playing this well?

This is a good problem to have, I guess... as long as they continue to win.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:32 am

Any word on when Green could return?

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:35 am

In this case, it's a smart move to let Trent get his job back as long as the MD reports
and how he plays in practice indicate his readiness.

Having a quality dependable back up is important! If Trent is not ready, you
know Huard can deliver.

Next Year, you can trade Huard or Green (doubtful) around draft day.

Huard is definitely ready to start in the NFL and there are many teams that
will be willing to give high draft picks for a proven QB.

kcdave · Post by **kcdave** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:38 am

There is no QB controversy. Trent is the starter when he is cleared and ready. End of conversation.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:41 am

RadioFan wrote:Any word on when Green could return?

They're targeting Nov 12th at Miami.

But I'm all like, take your time Trent.

No hurry.

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:42 am

Huard is OLD.

Huard will remain a back-up QB.

TRinT will have his job back when he is declared able.

if TRinT fails then Huard might be given back the reigns...and, if that happens...that will lead to offseason Chaos...

nobody will Trade for either...one is damaged goods and one is old.

(wait?...the Dolphins might have a need....)

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:49 am

Okay Huard is no 20 something but he
still has miles to go..

I'm not saying first round draft pick but
2nd or 3rd round for Huard is a possibility for
Washington, Detroit, Oakland or even Miami..

Cueball · Post by **Cueball** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:55 am

Doesn't matter which stiff they roll up under center. All he needs to know is how to turn and hand to LJ

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:56 am

Washington = Campbell
Detriot = Millen--->DOH!
Oakland = Alcula--->DOH!
Miami = who knows (unless they would throw away the thought of Culpuppie recovering from his knee problems during the offseason)

Huard isn't going anywhere.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:56 am

Qbert wrote:Huard is OLD.

Huard will remain a back-up QB.

He's 33, and Trent is 36.

Huard has less mileage on him too.

If Trent comes back and struggles, even in the slightest way, you can damn sure bet there'll be a QB controvery.

We went thru this shit back in '97 with Gannon and Grback-up, and they made the wrong damn decision then. I don't want it to be deja-vu all over again.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:17 am

I assumed KC was deeply screwed when Trent went down.

I gotta come correct and give Huard his due.

Chef fan couldn't ask for more than what he's provided.

That said, it seems to me that Green would still take over the yob when he's able to put the drool bucket aside.

Ucant#-463,721 · Post by **Ucant#-463,721** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:30 pm

mvscal wrote:
Jack wrote:I'm not saying first round draft pick but
2nd or 3rd round for Huard is a possibility for
Washington, Detroit, Oakland or even Miami..
No, it isn't. Shake yourself.

Sure he is. He's a mere 33 years young and ready to blossom. If Deion Branch is worth a 1st rounder then surely a 10 year veteran and former 2 TIME World Champion New England PATRIOT, is worthy of AT LEAST a 2nd rounder. Check his stats. He's averaged 12 starts and 3100 yards passing over his amazing career.... oh wait. Those are his career numbers.

Jack is quite possibly the dumbest "sports" poster on this board. He's currently #2 on my "Don't Even Respond, This Poster Is A Complete Fucking Tard" list. He recently moved ahead of Diogenes and has his sights sqarely set on M2DROOL.

Jack · Post by **Jack** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:36 pm

Ken = UCant
Ucant=Ken

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:04 am

poptart wrote: That said, it seems to me that Green would still take over the yob when he's able to put the drool bucket aside.

Normally, I would agree. But not this time.

Don't get me wrong, nobody digs Trent's leadership ability and prior accomplishments more than I do. But that said, exactly how many playoff games has he won here so far? Hell, how many times has he even made the playoffs?

I say that you stay with the hot hand of Huard until he starts struggling. If and when that happens, you can always make the change, but not unless it occurs.

This game is all about winning, and Damon Huard is proving that he can get that job done.

On the flip side, if you bring back Trent the moment that he's supposedly ready and he struggles and they lose, then you've got a full blown controversy that won't be quieted by re-inserting Huard.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:14 am

Once again, mvdrool flings feces against the walls of his padded cubicle hoping that some of it will stick.

Why don't you try refuting what I've stated, rather than being your customary obnoxious ass-wipe self?

Or just GFY, matters not either way.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:26 am

"I'll say it again......Elvis Grbac is our starting QB"

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:32 am

I don't normally agree with the reverse racist Fatlock, either. But this time I do.

I've bolded the most germaine points of this article for mvfecesflinger edification.

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COMMENTARY
Huard is making QB job interesting
JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

The 51-yard dime that Damon Huard unspooled to Eddie Kennison in the final minutes Sunday saved Ty Law from postgame embarrassment, killed the visiting Seahawks and birthed a premature quarterback controversy.

We should remember this play. It rescued the Chiefs from a potentially season-turning defeat and stamped them and their backup quarterback as legitimate threats.

We began the day wondering whether Huard’s groin would allow him to play. We ended it convinced that Trent Green shouldn’t rush back from his concussion. Damon Huard’s hot hand needs plenty of time to cool.

He scorched the Seahawks with it, completing critical downfield passes to Tony Gonzalez throughout the day and unleashing the big one to Kennison shortly after Seattle had burned a fallen Law and taken a one-point lead.

Huard’s bomb set up Larry Johnson’s game-deciding fourth touchdown in Kansas City’s more-difficult-than-it-should’ve-been 35-28 victory over the starless Seattle Seahawks.

“I know who my quarterback is,” Kansas City coach Herm Edwards said, referring to Green.

No doubt, Green is KC’s franchise quarterback and unquestioned leader, but Huard should remain the starter until there is some sign of trouble.

“Damon is making it hard on Trent,” Edwards joked. “(Damon) has won all of the games.”

Huard is 4-2 as a starter. You can’t pin the Denver loss on Huard. The Chiefs lost that game the week after Green suffered a concussion and with a game plan more conservative than Ann Coulter. The ladies of Passion Party can claim credit for the Chiefs lying down in Pittsburgh.

Huard isn’t making things tough on Green. If Huard keeps this up, he’s going to make things tough on Herm Edwards, offensive coordinator Mike Solari, quarterbacks coach Terry Shea and Chiefs fans who remember Elvis Grbac vs. Rich Gannon in 1997.

This thing is starting to smell like Grbac-Gannon, except Green is far more respected and liked by Chiefs players and fans.

Sticking with Huard is not a statement about Green. He’s a proven Pro Bowler. He’s a warrior. But the reality is he suffered a major injury, and at age 36, there’s no way to know how he’ll play coming off a severe concussion.

Will he play as well as Huard has the last two Sundays?

Against the defending NFC champions, Huard threw for 312 yards and one touchdown. He completed 17 of 25 passes. All three times the Chiefs trailed on Sunday, Huard rallied them.

“Incredible. Incredible,” tight end Tony Gonzalez said, speaking of Huard’s resiliency.

Huard saved his best rally for last. The Chiefs appeared to be in the process of blowing a game they had led 27-14. They’d let Seattle back in the game by surrendering a 61-yard fumble return on a botched field-goal attempt and Law falling down on a 49-yard touchdown pass.

The Chiefs got the ball back with 6 minutes, 25 seconds to play and trailing by a point.

Huard opened the drive with an 11-yard pass to Kennison. After a 1-yard run by Johnson, Huard hit Gonzalez for 11 yards. Johnson lost a yard on a run; then Huard dropped back to pass, stood firm against the rush and floated a perfect strike to Kennison along the Seattle sideline.

“I can’t say enough about Damon Huard,” Edwards said.

Well, he could say Huard is the starter. But there’s no reason to right now. There’s no reason to say anything. Green won’t be back for a couple more weeks. Green has the kind of injury that can be finessed and prolonged if necessary.

If Huard stays hot, Green may not get “100 percent” healthy until the offseason.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 12:44 am

If the queen had balls she'd be king

BFD

Huard has gotten the job done. Exactly what the backup needs to do while the franchise QB is wiping the drool from his mouth. When Green is officially cleared he will return as the starter. Herm is wayyyyyy to loyal to rock the boat.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:41 am

Anyone here of radio reports that Tony G has opted out of the final year of his contract? I'm sure its speculation, but I just heard it on Sports AM 570. They even went a step further and said Tony G is interested in the Broncos and Raiders.

Talk about controversy

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 1:58 am

DallasFanatic wrote:Anyone here of radio reports that Tony G has opted out of the final year of his contract?

He's in the final year of his contract now. A bit late to opt out.

They're working on an extension....

TG will retire a Chief, King Carl willing, or I'm going to be one seriously pissed off red-neck.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:53 am

The issue the Chiefs have with Gonzo is that were they to franchise him, his tender would annihilate their salary cap. ProFootballTalk.com is reporting that the tender could possibly be as high as 8 figures.

Of course I'm sure the Broncos would love to have a sleek, pass catching TE for Cutler to lean on next year.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:30 pm

More on Gonzo from PFT

CHIEFS WON'T FRANCHISE GONZALEZ

Word out of Kansas City is that the Chiefs won't place the franchise tag on tight end Tony Gonzalez, who is expected to void the final two years of his current contract after the 2006 season and become a free agent.

Jay Glazer of FOX reported on Sunday that Gonzalez can leave Kansas City after the season if he so chooses. The rest of the "real" media, however, has ignored the story.

Although the franchise tender for tight ends is low (it was only $3.3 million for 2006), the CBA states that the amount that the team must put on the table to trigger the franchise rights (i.e., first refusal on any other offers and compensation in the amount of two first-round draft picks) is either the average of the top five salaries at the position or 120 percent of the player's salary for the prior year, whichever is greater.

And although some league insiders believe that "salary" means Paragraph 5 base salary only, it actually means the player's full cap number, which is base salary plus bonus proration and any other payments made in a given season.

In Gonzalez's case, we've learned that his cap number for 2006 is $6.53 million. Thus, the Chiefs would be required to offer Gonzalez $7.83 million in order to hold his rights for 2007.

Given the magnitude of the number, we're told that the Chiefs won't use the tag on Gonzalez.

Moving forward, our guess is that Gonzalez will become a free agent in March 2007, and that he will strongly consider leaving for another team if he gets an offer significantly higher than what the Chiefs will pay.

The Redskins can always be counted on to throw cash at a recognizable name. The Raiders are an intriguing possibility, given that Gonzalez played college ball at Berkeley. Other potential destinations (in our view) include the Jets, the Texans, the Vikings, the Lions, the Panthers, the Saints, and the Seahawks.

Could you just imagine Gonzo in RAIDER gear?

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:40 pm

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:
BSmack wrote:Could you just imagine Gonzo in RAIDER gear?

Nope- Carl's going to hook the guy up eventually, because that's his boy and he has traditionally paid his most successful draft picks well.

Wrong, KC Dumbshit..............

"CHIEFS WON'T FRANCHISE GONZALEZ

Word out of Kansas City is that the Chiefs won't place the franchise tag on tight end Tony Gonzalez, who is expected to void the final two years of his current contract after the 2006 season and become a free agent.

Jay Glazer of FOX reported on Sunday that Gonzalez can leave Kansas City after the season if he so chooses. The rest of the "real" media, however, has ignored the story.

Although the franchise tender for tight ends is low (it was only $3.3 million for 2006), the CBA states that the amount that the team must put on the table to trigger the franchise rights (i.e., first refusal on any other offers and compensation in the amount of two first-round draft picks) is either the average of the top five salaries at the position or 120 percent of the player's salary for the prior year, whichever is greater.

And although some league insiders believe that "salary" means Paragraph 5 base salary only, it actually means the player's full cap number, which is base salary plus bonus proration and any other payments made in a given season.

In Gonzalez's case, we've learned that his cap number for 2006 is $6.53 million. Thus, the Chiefs would be required to offer Gonzalez $7.83 million in order to hold his rights for 2007.

Given the magnitude of the number, we're told that the Chiefs won't use the tag on Gonzalez.

Moving forward, our guess is that Gonzalez will become a free agent in March 2007, and that he will strongly consider leaving for another team if he gets an offer significantly higher than what the Chiefs will pay.

The Redskins can always be counted on to throw cash at a recognizable name. The Raiders are an intriguing possibility, given that Gonzalez played college ball at Berkeley. Other potential destinations (in our view) include the Jets, the Texans, the Vikings, the Lions, the Panthers, the Saints, and the Seahawks."

Buwhahahahaha.

The Chefs already suck enough as it is.........can you imagine the bottomfeeding bitches these slunts would be if they lost the blocking/catching services of Gonzales?

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:03 pm

KC Paul 3.0 wrote:. Myself (and the rest of the DOTRF) know the deal about how King Carl deals with his top-shelf ballers.

Absolutlely.

King Carl has it down to a science. He never drafts or signs thru free agency "top-shelf ballers"

problem solved.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:10 am

umm, Lames?

You just posted the exact same article that B_ posted, only one post removed.

Just exactly how fucking stupid are you?

Don't bother answering.

WAR... paying at least some attention before making a complete fool of yourself for the umpteenth time.

Fuck off from my thread anyway, dipshit.

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My take stands.

Damon Huard should continue to roll the dice until he throws craps. If and when that happens, you then hand the reins back over to Trent.

No brainer.... Shut up, Paul.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:13 am

Its pretty fucking obvious that Bschmucks posts give my scroll wheel a run for its money daily.

You whining like a faggot about people replying in your thread is fucking hilarious-and there isnt a fucking thing you can do about me pissing all over your face in your own thread anytime I choose.........open your mouth and say "ahhhhhh', whitey

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:17 am

Raydah James wrote:

"I'll say it again......Elvis Grbac is our starting QB"

Fuck.

You.

Rack, btw. Fucker.

Btw, the only way Tony G will ever become a winner in the Silver and Black is if he's a power forward with the Spurs.

You got that, jizz-receiving upside down bent-over face fuck?

Nixhex · Post by **Nixhex** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 2:28 pm

Raydah James wrote: Moving forward, our guess is that Gonzalez will become a free agent in March 2007, and that he will strongly consider leaving for another team if he gets an offer significantly higher than what the Chiefs will pay.

Nice reading comprehension you ignorant fuck. Wipe the cum crust off your eyes before you decide to pound out another post.

Paul isn't wrong. Your own post says he will leave unless he gets paid accordingly by the Chiefs. Which is exactly what Paul was saying. Carl will most likely pay the man. He don't want the public relations hit he would take if Gonzalez was allowed to leave. Gonzalez has also stated many times that he wants to remain a Chief his entire career.

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:18 pm

I hope Trent comes back for this week's game, and Wil Witherspoon goes Rodney Harrison on him in front of Trent's family and friends.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:34 pm

Tough words from a guy who swings from Ed Hocculi's sac.

Nixhex · Post by **Nixhex** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:42 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:I hope Trent comes back for this week's game, and Wil Witherspoon goes Rodney Harrison on him in front of Trent's family and friends.

Perhaps the bad Karma you've earned with this post will inflict itself on Mark Bulger.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:31 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:I hope Trent comes back for this week's game, and Wil Witherspoon goes Rodney Harrison on him in front of Trent's family and friends.

One of the most RACKable things i've ever read.

Just Beautiful.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:58 pm

If Gonzo is going to break the cap - then fuck it, let him walk.

Sorry, but he's 31 next season and has maybe 2, maybe 3 years of production left

He's been a great player, but he's heading towards the downside and KC cap money needs to go towards O-Line, a Defensive tackle and a WR.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:05 pm

KC Paul 3.0 wrote: Nope- you bring Trent back against the 'Duhs AT HOME on Nov. 19.....NO MATTER WHAT.

No matter what? Great take.

What if he ain't ready?

If KC wins the next two games and Huard continues to perform like he has thus far, then something (common sense) tells me that Trent won't be ready.

Then again, you were saying that Trent should come back at Miami, so I guess you've come to your senses somewhat (as much as that's even possible) and backpedaled off that noise.

And I'll agree to some extent. If Herm just fucking insists that Trent be the starter "NO MATTER WHAT", the best time to bring him back is at HOME against that sad sack team that RLamesR'Us props.

Jesus Christ Wags, you fucking sound like all the other dipshits who've been calling the local talk shows with their "Yeah, remember when they put Grbac back in for Gannon..."

Is that how I sound? Not at all.

Gannon was a better QB than Grbac. I'm not saying that Huard is better than Trent. I'm saying that you don't fix what's not broken. Even you should be able to understand the logic of that concept.

Holy Crap, next thing to come out of your WebTV will be "Huard is the next Kurt Warner!".

Nope. I'll leave the legacy of you fondling KW's ballsack go unchallenged.

drummer · Post by **drummer** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:21 am

mvscal wrote:He let you borrow his for a little while?