John LLLLL: Gone?

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:36 pm

I don't know if there is an official release but there are rumblings on WXYT out of Detroit that MichiganFan's favorite coach may be let go today. SpartanFan, your thoughts?

EDIT: Press conference schedule for 1:30 to make an announcement...

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:06 pm

Here is the LINK

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:28 pm

I am sure Louisville fan is having a nice chuckle about that right now.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:40 pm

sad day for scU-M fan and the rest of the big 11. john LLLLL, earl bruce, both victims of losses to indiana powerhouse football.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:19 pm

e wrote:rumors in kc are that former k-state caoch bill snyder might take over.

that would be one hell of a hire, but i'm sure state will fuck it up after turning down interest in him in favor of mooch, who'll tell them to go fuck off eventually.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:43 pm

Not a sad day for this UM fan. I much prefer beating sparty when they're decent. When they suck it takes all the fun out of it.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:44 pm

Bill Snyder? talk about a verticle hire.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:14 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:Bill Snyder? talk about a verticle hire.

You mean horizontal? Don't worry, you could have confused worse words...

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:24 pm

Allegedly MSU and UNC have contacted Snyder.

How old is Snyder, like 70? Should Mason hire him or put him in his death pool? Definitely a proven guy, at least.

Mustang · Post by **Mustang** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:37 pm

I called this the day they hired him. What a layup. I'd seen plenty of Louisville games where his talent was decent but they just made stupid, stupid mistakes over and over again. Hardly a surprise. Fun to know losses to IU are the kiss of death.

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 10:59 pm

Screw_Michigan wrote:sad day for scU-M fan and the rest of the big 11. john LLLLL, earl bruce, both victims of losses to indiana powerhouse football.

morose feelings aren't caused by anything remotely related to msu. i hope they hire mooch so he can rock into el with his 6-6 record at cal and get himself jerked off by all the fans who think he's going to turn things around. and personally, i like state when they aren't playing umich.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 11:17 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:Bill Snyder? talk about a verticle hire.
You mean horizontal? Don't worry, you could have confused worse words...

yes I did mean Horizontal so flame away. And hell yes they could do a lot better than him.

Art Briles
Dave Wandstat
Rich Rodriguez
UTEP guy

And then there are a lot of really good assistants like Chizik

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Nov 02, 2006 12:51 pm

Vito Corleone wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:
Vito Corleone wrote:Bill Snyder? talk about a verticle hire.
You mean horizontal? Don't worry, you could have confused worse words...
yes I did mean Horizontal so flame away. And hell yes they could do a lot better than him.

Art Briles
Dave Wandstat
Rich Rodriguez
UTEP guy

And then there are a lot of really good assistants like Chizik

There's no way that either Wannstedt or Rodriguez would even consider this job, short of the bottom falling out on them at their current job (in which case, Sparty wouldn't be too excited about them). Wannstedt is a Pitt alum, and Rodriguez has the possible chance of playing for the national championship at WVU this season. Either of them would view Michigan State as a step down (at least subjectively, in Wannstedt's case).

I'd throw Greg Schiano's name in the ring, but even there it seems to me that he has a better shot at success, going forward, at Rutgers than he would have at MSU.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:25 pm

With three games remaining in another disappointing season, Michigan State has decided that John L. Smith will not return to coach the 2007 season.

So, I guess the coaches were screwing it up.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:45 pm

Terry,

Not to mention Big East coaches have got it made, in contrast to all other major conference coaches, imo.

If you can field a dominant team in the Big East, you're going to have a much easier route to a BCS game, than you would in the other BCS conferences. If you get to BCS games, you'll have job security (at most schools, anyway). Plus, you're only competing against seven other teams with no conference title game. And although I do believe, top to bottom, the Big East is pretty competitive, running off wins against S.Florida, UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt, Cincy, etc., isn't exactly like rumbling through an SEC schedule.

It would be one thing to leave for the Big Ten from a MAC or CON-USA school. But I see no real benefit from leaving a BCS conference, with a team that is achieving success. Your chances of success are greater than they would be in any other conference.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:10 pm

I think State needs to find the biggest name possible...they've got to stop playing little brother/prison bitch to Michigan. They don't have quite as much to offer as the Wolverines but that shouldn't stop them from being one of the top programs in the Big Ten and the midwest. The face-slapper drove that program further down that State needs a proven coach that can rebuild the program relatively quickly. He's obviously not available anymore but Spurrier would've been a primo choice to give them a new attitude and big name that could at least put them on the same level as Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State and Ohio State.

Degenerate · Post by **Degenerate** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:57 pm

All Spurrier does in his spare time is golf. There's no way in hell he would ever show up in E. Lansing.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:01 pm

Spurrier would never have taken a non-SEC job, IMO. I think State needs to get a solid, under-the-radar type of coach--someone who isn't too big a name that he'll jet after a few years. Right away, I think a guy like Mark Dantonio would be a great candidate. He coached DBs during Saban's tenure, was the D-Coordinator under Tressel during tOSU's 2002 MNC season, and is doing a pretty good job at Cincinnati.

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:09 pm

L45B wrote:Spurrier would never have taken a non-SEC job, IMO. I think State needs to get a solid, under-the-radar type of coach--someone who isn't too big a name that he'll jet after a few years. Right away, I think a guy like Mark Dantonio would be a great candidate. He coached DBs during Saban's tenure, was the D-Coordinator under Tressel during tOSU's 2002 MNC season, and is doing a pretty good job at Cincinnati.

Not a bad choice. I was doing some thinking about this opening this morning. The names I came up with were Frank Solich and (I'm sure this'll be provocative) Ty Willingham. Solich did a respectable job at Nebraska, and he's improved Ohio's program significantly since he's been there.

Call me crazy, but I think Ty Willingham might not be a bad fit at MSU. He's a MSU alum, and his demeanor is such that he would not aggravate Sparty's tendency to be maddeningly inconsistent. Of course, someone will no doubt point out that ND's teams under Ty were maddeningly inconsistent. That's true, but it seems to me to be different. At ND, the team was too often underprepared and out-executed. At Michigan State, the inconsistency seems to be more emotional in nature. In that regard, the team fed off John LLLLL, and perhaps needs a lower-key head coach.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:31 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:The problem with Willingham is that he's got a job that's at least as good as Michigan State right now in a state where he doesn't have to play second fiddle.

Sorry Q.

That's definitely the reason why Rich Rodriguez wouldn't leave West Virginia. He's pretty much royalty in that state and State's job is pretty much downgrade to most big conference schools. I just said Spurrier to just say a big name, it meant nothing...the name State honks on the local radio would like is Butch Davis.

Terry in Crapchester · Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:37 pm

Shoalzie wrote:
Believe the Heupel wrote:The problem with Willingham is that he's got a job that's at least as good as Michigan State right now in a state where he doesn't have to play second fiddle.

Sorry Q.

That's definitely the reason why Rich Rodriguez wouldn't leave West Virginia. He's pretty much royalty in that state and State's job is pretty much downgrade to most big conference schools. I just said Spurrier to just say a big name, it meant nothing...the name State honks on the local radio would like is Butch Davis.

I've stayed away from that one only because there's a good chance Miami's job might open up. No way Davis would pass on Miami for Michigan State.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:52 pm

State's problem is that they'll be paying the L for two more years meaning that there will be 2 head coach salaries being paid during that time. Beside, why is the MSU job always such a big story. Whenever Sparty looks for the next gardian of mediocrity it makes national news. MSU is noones dream job, save for perhaps an alum....John Enos, Dave Yarema, anyone...Bueller? State has been either a stop on the way up (Saban), too much for some to handle (Williams), a job for the un-proven /over-hyped (JLS), or a last stop on the way to pasture (Perles). I don't know the answer, but nobody in East Lansing has had one either.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:58 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:State's problem is that they'll be paying the L for two more years meaning that there will be 2 head coach salaries being paid during that time. Beside, why is the MSU job always such a big story. Whenever Sparty looks for the next gardian of mediocrity it makes national news. MSU is noones dream job, save for perhaps an alum....John Enos, Dave Yarema, anyone...Bueller? State has been either a stop on the way up (Saban), too much for some to handle (Williams), a job for the un-proven /over-hyped (JLS), or a last stop on the way to pasture (Perles). I don't know the answer, but nobody in East Lansing has had one either.

It's a national story in the sports world.

They're not Michigan, but they're not EMU either, and a Big Ten gig is a big-time job. It's a job successful coaches at the smaller tier schools will take risks on, and leave sustained success for.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:04 pm

I get that. You and I know that the crusty alums that harken back to the glorious 60's want a proven winner at the Major Conference level. Who that may be, I don't know. Conventional wisdom of the recent past dictates that going for the young gun with the fresh style and tireless recruiting capabilities should be considered. An OC/DC of a top tier team usually fits this bill, or a HC of a mid-major that has dominated the mid-level. Whomever it is the fact that Sparty is on the hook for several million to the L may detract from a potential package they're able to offer somebody.

Shawn Marion · Post by **Shawn Marion** » Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:10 pm

If Rodriguez isn't saying no to North Carolina then I don't see why MSU would be out of the question.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Fri Nov 03, 2006 6:00 am

Smith is in the fourth year of a six-year contract that pays him about $1.5 million annually. Michigan State said it will honor the last two years of Smith's contract, which will cost about $3.1 million.

Wow, not a bad gig, eh? It's hard to feel bad for a guy who will pull down $3.1 million to sit on his ass for 2 years.

Incredible, when you think about it.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Nov 03, 2006 7:58 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:State's problem is that they'll be paying the L for two more years meaning that there will be 2 head coach salaries being paid during that time.

In fairness to the L, the one thing he has shown is an ability to coach offense. I gotta think that if he wants to stay in coaching, there's a mid-pack team in either the MWC, WAC or C-USA who'd be willing to take a chance on him. If that happens, would that limit the amount that Sparty has to pay out?

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sat Nov 04, 2006 4:06 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Someone's going to wind up really pissed off they didn't talk to Steve Kragthorpe down the road.

Kragthorpe would be a very good hire. He wouldn't break the bankbook and dude can definitely coach. He is the kind of young guy MSU could build with.

I'd say Solich but being that he is at retirement age already I don't see an MSU giving him a shot. He should've gotten the Illinois job, dude punked Zook in his own house a couple weeks ago with totally inferior talent. If Solich got an MSU-type job he could upgrade his staff from the one at Ohio, where he had to scrape together whatever he could get.