How bout Colt McCoy

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:45 am

Young man just set the Texas single season record for TD passes. He continues to play well, make good decisions, and stay cool and calm. Thought going into the season that VY would be missed badly. McCoy has stepped in and done a fantastic job for a RS freshman. Looking at his numbers he has just as impressive of stats as Troy Smith. Never seen a QB with so little experience play like a battle tested senior. Even the OL thinks he is the bomb although she knows squat about football. Thinkin about donning a #12 jersey and see if I can go score with her.

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:02 am

Three more TDs and and the NCAA Freshman record for TDs is his. I'm not ready to go ouskull and blow him, but dude is fucking $$$.

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:08 am

VY one made me proclaim I'd kiss him on the lips, but this kid almost makes me moist.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:44 am

Big XII fans apparently don't just love their QBs, they love their QBs.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:50 am

If QB love is wrong I don't wanna be right

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:51 am

Van wrote:Big XII fans love football... and America.

FTFY.

the_ouskull

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:10 am

the_ouskull, insipid John Cougar commercial jingles & Chevrolet's marketing department wrote: Big XII fans love football...and America.

ftfy

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:19 am

campinfool wrote:VY one made me proclaim I'd kiss him on the lips, but this kid almost makes me moist.

Disturbing....very disturbing.

Anyone care to climb on this obvious sig material?

PrimeX · Post by **PrimeX** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:56 am

Van wrote:Big XII fans apparently don't just love their QBs, they love their QBs.

Texas fan just loves being ranked #4 in the land with a freshman QB owning souls.

FRESHMAN qb.

Pwning.

Sls.

StrandedTexan · Post by **StrandedTexan** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:57 am

And you all thought I was biggafool for saying this after the Baylor game when he set the single game TD record. "I am no longer worried about our quarterback situation at all". Keep it up Colt!

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=19733

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:03 am

ST, see, where you're mistaken is in thinking everybody thought you a biggafool due to anything you ever said about Colt.

Half right.

:-)

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:56 pm

The top two PE leaders are both named Colt, kinda weird.

It is the Texas Colt that is the most impressive.

1. McCoy has done it against a much better level of competition

2. McCoy is a freshmen

I'm looking forward to 3 more years of this. At the rate his currently going Colt is going to finish with 34 TDs and 5 or 6 ints.

Had anyone told me at the beginning of the season he would do this, I would have laughed. Now I can't wait to see what he does as a soph.

BTW does anyone think he deserves an invite to the heisman? I didn't at first but if he finishes with 34 TDs then I think he deserves to go and congradulate Troy Smith in person.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 4:14 pm

He SHOULD be congratulating A.D. in person. Injuries suck.

the_ouskull

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:21 pm

They're even talking now about John David Booty being a Heisman candidate.

Yeah, might as well invite Colt to New York too...

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:25 pm

I have McCoy on one of my fantasy teams, has done dang well for me. Too bad Rudy Carpenter has totally screwed me and Isaiah Stanback's injury forces me to play the mistake that could cost Koetter his job. Props to McCoy, he won't pull sunshine out of his ass like VY could, but he is incredibly polished and should get Texas another championship before he is done.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:47 pm

Honestly, with A.D. out of the picture, my Heisman ballot would read something like, "Brady Quinn, that receiver from Georgia Tech, the referees from the OU / Oregon game, Troy Smith, and that kid from Texas who saved a guy from drowning, kind of."

the_ouskull

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:06 pm

He's not even the best QB named Colt.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:33 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:He's not even the best QB named Colt.

The other Colt isn't a freshman and gets fat on WAC-defenses while playing in a TTech-style offense. Brennan is a good-qb and statistical monster but the "system qb" caveat must get thrown in there.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:59 pm

The "system QB" tag also has to be applied to any Texas QB...

Any QB who lines up for Texas will always enjoy these "Texas System" advantages:

-A minimum of three OOC home game creampuffs with which to pad one's stats

-A minimum of at least three conference creampuffs with which to further pad one's stats

-8 homes games vs only 4 road games, and even all (Rice) of those four "road games" aren't really road games

-Overmatched defensive talent, nearly every week

-"Defend the rush first, pass second!" defensive strategies, based on OT's perennial overwhelming OL and running game

With all the time a Texas QB has to throw and with all the weapons at his disposal and with the comically overmatched opponents he's usually facing a QB would have to be half way to retarded to not be successful in the Texas system. If a guy there can simply avoid tripping over himself during his seven step drop he ought to put up at least decent stats...

This fact along with the additional fact that Texas has always featured a relatively primitive passing scheme goes a long way towards explaining why there've been so few successful NFL QBs from Texas.

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:24 pm

the_ouskull wrote:Honestly, with A.D. out of the picture, my Heisman ballot would read something like, "Brady Quinn, that receiver from Georgia Tech, the referees from the OU / Oregon game, Troy Smith, and that kid from Texas who saved a guy from drowning, kind of."

the_ouskull

Even if AD was healthy, he still would finish 2nd to Smith. Stop your belly aching.

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:33 pm

I never said and I don't think anyone has ever proclaimed McCoy to be the BEST QB in the land. But his play so far has been a nice suprise for a team that many thought were not a fraction of their former selves after VY left. Sure he has weapons but a lot of QBs have weapons at their disposal and many still make poor read and bad mistakes. McCoy has limited a lot of those negatives and continues to play well each week. And to his defense the Texas running game is no where near as dominant as last year or even what many Texas fans expected it to be.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:39 pm

Cicero wrote:
the_ouskull wrote:Honestly, with A.D. out of the picture, my Heisman ballot would read something like, "Brady Quinn, that receiver from Georgia Tech, the referees from the OU / Oregon game, Troy Smith, and that kid from Texas who saved a guy from drowning, kind of."

the_ouskull

Even if AD was healthy, he still would finish 2nd to Smith. Stop your belly aching.

Until you start watching college football, Crown, keep your opinions to yourself. This is the grown-ups forum.

the_ouskull

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:15 pm

Van wrote:The "system QB" tag also has to be applied to any Texas QB...

Any QB who lines up for Texas will always enjoy these "Texas System" advantages:

-A minimum of three OOC home game creampuffs with which to pad one's stats

-A minimum of at least three conference creampuffs with which to further pad one's stats

-8 homes games vs only 4 road games, and even all (Rice) of those four "road games" aren't really road games

-Overmatched defensive talent, nearly every week

-"Defend the rush first, pass second!" defensive strategies, based on OT's perennial overwhelming OL and running game

With all the time a Texas QB has to throw and with all the weapons at his disposal and with the comically overmatched opponents he's usually facing a QB would have to be half way to retarded to not be successful in the Texas system. If a guy there can simply avoid tripping over himself during his seven step drop he ought to put up at least decent stats...

This fact along with the additional fact that Texas has always featured a relatively primitive passing scheme goes a long way towards explaining why there've been so few successful NFL QBs from Texas.

Sincerely, Matt Leinart

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:17 pm

McCoy benefits from his teams system and the skill differnece between his wr's and the guys defending them just as much, if not more as/than Brennan does.

just sayin

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:26 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:McCoy benefits from his teams system and the skill differnece between his wr's and the guys defending them just as much, if not more as/than Brennan does.

just sayin

And Matt Leinart didn't benefit from Steve Smith, Dewayne Jarrett, Reggie Bush, Lindale White, That big bad Oline, Norm Chow and the weak ass defenses of the Pac 10?

Every time a QB drops back to pass 3 things can happen and 2 are bad. Colt as a freshmen has made good decisions, great throws and been great at managing all those weapons Texas has. He is well beyond his years as a QB and deserves recognition for his progress. He has led Texas on 3 come from behind victories and again deserves credit for that. Yesterday he was 23 of 29 with 3 TDs and no ints. His stats are out of this world, and I guarantee that the other Colt for Hawaii has not played a single team as good as Oklahoma State.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:49 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Van, the reason why Texas has had "relatively few" successful QBs in the NFL has more to do with Texas running an option-based attack through most of three decades than it does anything going on right now.
Texas has two starting QBs in the NFL-which if I'm not mistaken is exactly how many USC has. They also have an NFL Hall of Fame QB.

Guess you're saying then that you agree with me when I said, "Texas runs a relatively primitive passing scheme"...

As for QBs, well, I'm pretty sure you're not going to want to do a college or especially an NFL comparison between Texas and USC.

Reasonably certain of that one...

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:59 pm

Vito, there's a couple big differences between Matt Leinart and that "Texas system" break down...

-Matt played in an NFL style passing attack under an NFL offensive coordinator. No "primitive passing schemes" for Matt, or pretty much any Pac 10 QB

-Matt's schedule in college included equal amounts of home games and road games and he didn't get to pad his stats with endless creampuffs on his home field

His defensive opponents were still very often overmatched though, I'll give you that comparison; maybe not to the degree that a Texas QB's are, what with all the OOC creampuffs plus Baylor, Iowa St, Kansas and K State which regularly appear on a Texas schedule, but yeah, most of the time Leinart's OL and his other weapons were physically superior too.

Vito, you did hit on the one thing that's been great about McCoy. Like Leinart in his first season at the helm and even Booty this season McCoy has limited his mistakes. He's hardly hurt Texas at all, and he's made the few plays he needed to make when Texas had to have 'em. In that regard, yep, he's played with a lot of maturity and he's done much better than most and for that he's to be given all the credit in the world..

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:59 pm

And the legend of the Colt grows bigger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOoS6cXV4f8

Must suck when the best team of all time gets used by such a primitive passing game.

Explain again how a primitive passing game can beat teams like tOSU, USC, Oklahoma?

Vince hasn't had any problems picking up Chow's offense.

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:13 pm

Vito, I hate to break it to you but last year's SC D wasn't even their best of the past two years, much less the best of all time.

Beyond that, umm, I think it's safe to say that USC's defense wasn't beaten in that game by the "sophisticated" Texas passing scheme. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Van · Post by **Van** » Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:18 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:How many starting QBs in the NFL does USC have right now Van?

I count Matt Leinart and Carson Palmer. Texas has Vince Young and Chris Simms.

Are Leinart and Palmer better than Young and Simms? Definitely on Palmer/Simms. Leinart and Young, the jury's still out (though I'd lean towards Leinart.) Your contention though was that somehow Texas' offense is keeping UT QBs from making it to the NFL.

You're the very definition of myopian-all you see is what's in front of your face. You've bought into the USC hype machine for so long that you don't even recognize that other teams are playing football.

B-t-H, we're talking systems here, over the course of time.

Comparing QBs all time, it's no contest. Compare USC to Texas or the Pac 10 to the Big XII, either way it's no contest. Even currently in the NFL, yeah, I'd gladly take Palmer and Leinart (and the guy backing up Tom Brady in New England) over that stiff Chris Simms and VY...

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:09 am

B-t-H, off the top of my head I can't think of any USC QBs in the NFL HOF. Maybe there might've been one or two before the modern era but I don't know...

Seems like there've been a decent amount of 'Bama QBs though, and UCLA too...

I know the Super Bowl's seen its share of 'Bama and ND QBs.

As for modern day Texas, c'mon, VY isn't in the NFL right now due to anything he was taught about the QB position at Texas. Texas actually made the decision in the middle of last season to quit fighting it, to dumb down the offense and just go ahead and let VY freelance, which is what he does best.

VY made it to the NFL on sheer athletic talent and intangibles. He made it to the NFL despite his college passing "scheme", not because of it.

You know as well as I do that all the NFL people were saying VY had all the athletic talent but that Leinart (and Palmer) were the more polished NFL prospects, guys who were more ready to take over the reins of an NFL offense.

What do you think they're referring to there, if not the schemes they ran in college and the position coaching they received in college?

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:28 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:Why are you bringing up 'Bama, Notre Dame, and UCLA QBs?

'Cause, like I said, that's who seemed to keep popping up in my head when I tried to remember HOF and Super Bowl QBs! Couldn't think of any Texas or USC QBs but Starr, Namath and Stabler popped into my head from 'Bama and ND and UCLA have also each had a couple/few...

'Bama ran the wishbone just as long as Texas did.
Notre Dame was running option until the mid-90s.

Funny, that, since at least two of 'Bama's best NFL QBs could hardly get out of their own way, they were so immobile. Starr wasn't exactly Tommy Frazier either .

UCLA had a decently-complex passing game, I guess.

Always. Awful lotta top NFL offensive minds prowled the sidelines in Westwood over the years. UCLA, Cal, Stanford, USC, even San Diego St and Fresno St. A definite coaching hotbed; whole lotta influential NFL minds came from those programs...

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:38 am

Believe the Heupel wrote:I guess I don't get what your argument is now.

Is Colt McCoy a better QB than he looks because the offensive schemes he's running are supposedly simple and he's just making the plays or is he a worse QB?

If complex schemes supposedly make a QB ready for the NFL, explain Dave Klingler and Andre Ware. Explain Kliff Kingsbury.

Colt possibly looks better than he is because he plays at Texas, where his defensive opponents are often so overmatched and they're so keyed in on the Texas running game that Colt's job is akin to shooting fish in a barrel.

Texas QBs don't need to have the polished skills of other QBs because the Texas passing scheme doesn't require those skills from their QBs.

Nonetheless, Colt sure does look more polished than VY ever did, so he came into the Texas system already having better fundamentals. Having much less athletic ability than VY, it sure makes sense. In order to succeed at his position Colt can't simply rely on being a physical freak of nature.

Again, where Colt does deserve all the credit in the world is in keeping the damn car between the lines and outta the wall. A lot of guys in his position would make more mistakes than he's made and in that offense and with all that superior talent that's the most important task given to any Texas QB: Don't fuck this thing up. Just make the few plays we need and don't hurt us.

Colt's done a superior job there.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:41 am

Don Coryell
Joe Gibbs
John Madden

And all those guys looked up to Sid Gillman.

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:49 am

B-t-H, is it just me or would you agree that the current NFL is WAY less interesting than it was back during the heyday of Madden, Coryell, Gibbs, etc?

It's so corporate boring now and there's so much parity/mediocrity and the Thug Culture has become so all pervasive that I mostly can't even be bothered to watch the NFL much these days...

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:15 am

keep outside contain while rushing the passer.

Still bitter over Junior Seau, eh?

:-)

Van · Post by **Van** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:59 am

Merriman's also always overruning the plays you don't see and then celebrating like a fiend during the plays you do see??

How's that happen??

:-)

Husker4ever · Post by **Husker4ever** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:01 am

Cornhusker wrote:
campinfool wrote:VY one made me proclaim I'd kiss him on the lips, but this kid almost makes me moist.
Disturbing....very disturbing.

Anyone care to climb on this obvious sig material?

Fuck it....I'll add that after watching McCoy against Okie State, I almost threw my panties at the tv set. Little bastard is good.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 8:29 am

Vito Corleone wrote:And Matt Leinart didn't benefit from Steve Smith, Dewayne Jarrett, Reggie Bush, Lindale White, That big bad Oline, Norm Chow and the weak ass defenses of the Pac 10?

Cracks me up every time I see this. Leinarts biggest games where his teams had the most yards were in games vs SEC and Big 12 schools, not Pac 10 schools

Of Course a QB that is lining up with a team of super studs that physically overmatch the guys defending them is going to put up large numbers. That isnt the case with Brennan, Hawai'i isnt full of 5 star WR's who are bigger, faster and stronger than the guys trying to cover them. Brennan is putting these numbers up vs teams with better athletes than his own, which is why he is a better QB than McCoy

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:31 am

Pac 10 schools wouldn't know defense is it bit their ass. The entire Pac 10 schedule is made up of cream puff defenses. Look back at last years defenses USC had faced they are the ones who faced 3 defense ranked below 100. Texas faced 3 non confernece teams that went to bowl games. This year Texas has faced 2 non conference teams that are going to bowl games.

And socal what SEC school did you get all those yards against? A Arkansas team that was dead last in their conf. Thats like Texas screaming scoreboard on the PAC 10 for droping 70 on Stanford.

And Van the argument about Texas not running a NFL style offense is ignorant. Davis runs an offense as sophicated as his QBs can handle. When Simms was young the system was basic by his senior year the offense was very much an NFL style offense. When Major was the QB the offense was the same. Vince was an absolutely horrible passer his fresh and soph year so Texas went away from an NFL passing offense and moved to a option passing attack. By his junior year Davis was moving to a spread offense because that was the best offense for our personalle.

Now we have Colt and Davis is moving away from the spread to a traditional NFL passing offense. If you haven't noticed Texas is running a lot more I formation with Colt under center.

Say what you want, about Davis but he is one of the best in the business at developing QBs, just ask Major Applewhite, Chris Simms, Vince Young and now Colt McCoy. Only 2 of those 4 had NFL ability, but all are/were extremely successful in college.

BTW if Vince made it in the NFL on pure talent in spite of the system he ran then why is he already a starter. No way a guy without some major training on the college level can just step in as a starting NFL QB, if that were the case then there would be lots of high school qbs doing it.