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Ignatieff's former co-chair joins rival's Liberal leadership campaign
The former co-chair of Michael Ignatieff's leadership campaign in Toronto is now endorsing chief rival Bob Rae.

Thornhill MP Susan Kadis says she switched to Rae, a former Ontario NDP premier, because he's experienced and shares her fundamental principles.

Kadis withdrew her support from Ignatieff earlier this month after the frontrunner accused Israel of committing a war crime during the Lebanese conflict last summer.

Ignatieff later toned down his comment, saying that war crimes were possibly committed by both Israel and Lebanon-based Hezbollah guerrillas; he left the issue to international tribunals to judge.
Does anyone think the momentum is switching to Bob Rae? However I saw on Newsworld this morning some analyst said Iggy will take Quebec.

This should be an interesting convention anyways.

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This is a gamble. he knows he's pissed of the wealthy Jews in the party withthe war crime thing, so he's hitting the Nation card with the frogs. This is dangerous - not only in the leadership squabble, but in his government.
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Liberals just might win a federal election
Looking at those seeking the Liberal leadership, I’m reminded of Mair’s Axiom II which says “you don’t have to be a 10 in politics; you can be a three if everyone else is a two.”

Liberals can take heart from the growing realization that Prime Minister Stephen Harper may well be in that 2-3 range.

Indeed, the Tories may have another Joe Clark on their hands – not that their brief reigns ran similar courses. It’s more that Harper may also be setting himself up to be, as Clark was, the man Canadians are sorry they voted for.

There is this similarity – Joe couldn’t count, and it seems Harper may be arithmetically challenged as well when assessing support in the House of Commons.

It’s has been cynically but accurately said that the first duty of a politician is to get elected. Having said that, one has to observe Harper has forgotten his politics.

My campaign manager of years long past, Bud Smith, would colour-code a map of the riding; blue for where I was in safe territory, red for my opponent’s safe turf, pink for those tending left; pale blue for those tending right. We would ignore the blues which had no choice but to vote for me; ditto the reds who would never vote for me, then work like hell on the pinks and pale blues.

This system works nationally. So if Harper wants to win, why is he concentrating exclusively on the dark blues?

Most Canadians are pinks or pale blues – the swing vote a successful politician must secure. Harper should be asking himself “is my policy on gay marriage in the mainstream, or just an issue for the Blues?”

On this and a number of issues, the PM ought to ask: where does ‘middle Canada’ stand? On an increasing number of issues, the Conservatives are paying off supporters at the expense of the middle-of-the-road Canadian voter.

The consequence will be the loss of a great many pale blues and pinks. That’s why the polls show Liberals now tied with the Tories.

Admittedly, we’re a long way before an election, and voters aren’t focused on the main issues. It’s still astonishing that Harper has become so unpopular so soon.

The new Liberal leader must be able to take advantage of this exhibition by Harper of running onto his own sword. Can anyone do it?

Mr. Ignatieff is in trouble over his promise to define Quebec as a “nation.” Bob Rae is in trouble for past, not forgotten sins as premier of Ontario.

Stephane Dion, the most experienced of the lot, is disliked in his own province, so the knock on him is he can’t carry his own ground.

That leaves Ken Dryden and Gerard Kennedy.

Dryden is popular in Quebec because of his hockey career in Montreal. He is also bright and likeable. The problem is he may not be saleable because he’s a dull speaker and only mildly au fait with French.

Then there’s Kennedy, a former Ontario provincial cabinet minister unknown outside of Ontario. He does bring to the table one thing we don’t hear much about – he has lived and worked in Western Canada, though not here in the West Beyond the West.

The unknown factor is the large contingent of non-elected delegates which makes up 1/3 of the delegates.

Thanks to Harper governing on Tory ideology, Liberals, under the right person, might distract attention from the sponsorship scandal and actually win the next election.
I came across this. I think ole Raif could be right.

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Local Liberals favour Bob Rae in race
Nanaimo-Cowichan Liberals are putting their faith in Bob Rae to lead the party to victory in the next federal election.

The former Ontario premier is currently chasing the coattails of Liberal leadership frontrunner Michael Ignatieff, who has the support of 30 per cent of delegates leading up to the Dec. 2 leadership convention in Montreal, compared to Rae’s 20 per cent.

Former Ontario education minister Gerrard Kennedy and lone Quebec contender Stephane Dion are in a virtual tie for third, with each collecting 17 per cent of delegate support.

Delegate selections can be a complicated affair, with each riding in Canada required to send a certain number of male, female, youth, adult and senior delegates.

Once chosen, delegates must vote for their designated leadership candidate on the first ballot, but are free to vote as they choose on subsequent ballots.

Rae took the largest share of delegates in the province, nearly 30 per cent, compared to 17 per cent for Ignatieff, who ran a distant fourth.

That’s a fair reflection of the results for the local riding, which will send 14 delegates to the December convention – including Ladysmith businessman Mike McDonald – plus two “ex-officio” delegates, Brian Scott, who ran unsuccessfully for the Grits in the last election, and Nanaimo-Cowichan Liberal Party Riding Association president Mike Coleman.

It’ll be the fifth Liberal leadership convention for Coleman, former mayor of Duncan, who helped elevate Pierre Trudeau to party leader back in 1968, along with John Turner in 1984, and Jean Chretien in 1990.

Of the 14, seven voted to support Rae, four declared for Dion, two for Kennedy, and just one for Ignatieff.

Coleman said he wasn’t surprised local Liberals like Rae.

“This is a pretty progressive riding and I think they thought he’s mature, he’s solid, he’s vigorous, and he’s progressive. Those are things that go over well with voters of this riding,” said Coleman.

By contrast, Coleman said Ignatieff, a former Harvard University professor, probably ran afoul of local Grits over his support of U.S. engagement in Iraq, while Dion picked up support over his defence of the Kyoto Accord and the Kelowna Accord, both of which have been shelved by Stephen Harper’s Conservative government.

Another factor in Rae’s favour, said Coleman, is his knowledge of the softwood lumber file, having once served as an advisor to the B.C. Forest Council.

“This riding is very much impacted by forestry issues, by First Nations issues, by environmental issues. People are very conscious of those three things and [the Conservative] positions have not resonated with the interests of this riding,” he said.

Coleman acknowledged it could be tough for the Liberals to unseat current MP Jean Crowder whenever the next election is called, but he predicted the party’s fortunes could turn on the outcome of strategic voting.

“If this riding has the potential of changing the government from Conservative to Liberal that would enhance a strong candidate,” he said, “but if they see it as a chance for [Conservative candidate] Reed Elley to get in, as frontrunner, they may choose Jean Crowder.”

The riding association plans to choose a candidate in early spring.

With Rae within striking distance of Ignatieff, the national media is following every twist and turn in what has turned out to be a two-horse race between the former university roommates.
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I think Bob would do well in BC.
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Any one of them but Iggy, which is something I believe we'll see play itself out in Montreal a monrh from now.

I'm still favouring Kennedy but I wouldn't be that disappointed if Rae were to win.

Dion... I'm sure could make a good leader but I think it's not the right time for yet another PM from Quebec.
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Rack Rafe!!
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Poll: Bob Rae would fare best in federal election
As the nine-month Liberal leadership marathon entered its final days, a new poll suggested the party would fare best in an election with Bob Rae at the helm.


The Decima poll, released to The Canadian Press on Friday, suggested Rae had slightly more drawing power than his main rivals among Canadian voters in general.


He appeared to have pull even among Ontarians, who've apparently forgotten or forgiven his rocky tenure as NDP premier. And he was more appealing to those who voted NDP and Liberal in last winter's election.


The telephone survey of 1,123 Canadians was conducted Nov. 9-13, just three weeks before Liberals are to gather in Montreal to choose a new leader on Dec. 2.


The margin of error for a sample this size is plus or minus 3.1 percentage points, 19 times in 20.


The results could be influential in the close-fought contest, where the deciding factor will hinge on delegates' assessment of who is best positioned to lead the party back to power.


Given the margin of error, the Decima survey suggests there was little significant difference in the national appeal of the top four leadership contenders.


Thirty-seven per cent of respondents said they would vote Liberal or consider doing so if Rae was the leader, compared with 34 per cent for Stephane Dion, 33 per cent for front-runner Michael Ignatieff and 31 per cent for Gerard Kennedy.


But Rae's edge was more pronounced among respondents who voted Liberal and New Democrat in the last election, although the margin of error for the smaller samples in the poll are larger, ranging from five to seven percentage points.
Why does the press keep saying "rocky tenure" and other quotes when he was premier?

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Kennedy, Dion chat about possible dea
Stéphane Dion and Gerard Kennedy are working toward a deal that could see them team up after the early ballots in the federal Liberal leadership race.

In a move that might prevent front-runners Michael Ignatieff or Bob Rae from winning the race in Montreal next week, Dion and Kennedy are discussing a plan that would see whoever drops off the ballot first support the other.

"There are some people in (the) camps that think that that's a good idea, but nothing's been agreed to," Kennedy told the Toronto Star yesterday
Well that could help either, depending on the vote count after the first couple of ballots. To me it looks like it will come down to Dion and Rae for the leadership, but I won't bet the farm on it.

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I'm not upset about these two camps working on something like this although I'd prefer a Kennedy/ Rae alliance moreso than a Kennedy/Dion alliance.

Kennedy is still my first choice.
Rae's second
Dion's third
Iggy can go face fuck a train. If he wins, I'll consider joining the NDP.
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The more I find out about Kennedy the more I think he is the best man for the job.

I think though Bob Rae or Stephan Dion will win it.

There seems to be a small anyone but Bob campaign but a larger anyone but Iggy.
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I see Volpe quit and went to Rae. But some of his delegates went to Iggy.

Only 29.35 (1412) for Iggy on the first ballot.

Bob Rae (977) has 20.3 % and Dion has 2 more votes (856) than Kennedy(854) for 3rd.

I thought Iggy from all the talking this week he would get 35 - 40 %.

Tomorrow should be interesting.

Belinda wad looking good tonight but she should not pursue a career in broadcasting though
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