Enough is enough (Re: bowls)
Moderators: 88BuckeyeGrad, Left Seater, buckeye_in_sc
Enough is enough (Re: bowls)
San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia Bowl?
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl?
Papajohns.com Bowl? (the website for a friggin' pizza company?!?!)
International Bowl in Toronto?
How many of these damn things do they need?
No one can keep a straight face and tell me that these games should even exist. I wouldn't watch two .500 teams play in the regular season and I sure as hell wouldn't want to watch them in mid December play before a half-filled stadium in Fort Worth or Shreveport or Boise (no offense, Cross Traffic). I know I'm a broken record when I say all bowl games need to be erraticated and replaced with a playoff but at the very least, let's thin the heard a little, please? When you have more than half of the teams in D-IA playing in these things, it kind of cheapens their so called accomplishment or reward. Is this their way to make it up to the smaller conferences by giving them bowl games instead of letting them play for the national title? For any of those poor saps that still believe that bowls are still an vital part of the college football landscape...when none of these damn things keep their same sponsor or name from year to year, what tradition is even left in these 'games'? For me the college football season ends this weekend...I'll watch the Shamorama Bowl on the 8th but the rest of these games can go to hell. I'll say it, I'm a card-carrying college football anarchist.
Rant over...at least until I decide to repeat myself later in another thread.
Bell Helicopter Armed Forces Bowl?
Papajohns.com Bowl? (the website for a friggin' pizza company?!?!)
International Bowl in Toronto?
How many of these damn things do they need?
No one can keep a straight face and tell me that these games should even exist. I wouldn't watch two .500 teams play in the regular season and I sure as hell wouldn't want to watch them in mid December play before a half-filled stadium in Fort Worth or Shreveport or Boise (no offense, Cross Traffic). I know I'm a broken record when I say all bowl games need to be erraticated and replaced with a playoff but at the very least, let's thin the heard a little, please? When you have more than half of the teams in D-IA playing in these things, it kind of cheapens their so called accomplishment or reward. Is this their way to make it up to the smaller conferences by giving them bowl games instead of letting them play for the national title? For any of those poor saps that still believe that bowls are still an vital part of the college football landscape...when none of these damn things keep their same sponsor or name from year to year, what tradition is even left in these 'games'? For me the college football season ends this weekend...I'll watch the Shamorama Bowl on the 8th but the rest of these games can go to hell. I'll say it, I'm a card-carrying college football anarchist.
Rant over...at least until I decide to repeat myself later in another thread.
- Mississippi Neck
- I'm your Huckleberry
- Posts: 1074
- Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:13 pm
- Location: Hurricane Ike country
Careful. That makes too much competitive sense. Too much fair play there.SoCalTrjn wrote:as long as D1 continues to grow, they will keep adding bowl games. To fix it, pare D1 down to 64 teams and only allow those 64 teams to play one another, then youll only have a need for 16 bowl games
Sincerely,
Kent St, Akron, UW and Youngstown St, AKA, Ohio St's '07 OOC Schedule
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
- montinelevin
- Chiming For Fags
- Posts: 305
- Joined: Thu Oct 12, 2006 3:34 am
whats the chance of two of those being on the road?Van wrote:Careful. That makes too much competitive sense. Too much fair play there.SoCalTrjn wrote:as long as D1 continues to grow, they will keep adding bowl games. To fix it, pare D1 down to 64 teams and only allow those 64 teams to play one another, then youll only have a need for 16 bowl games
Sincerely,
Kent St, Akron, UW and Youngstown St, AKA, Ohio St's '07 OOC Schedule
-
- Elwood
- Posts: 212
- Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:41 pm
Nice.Van wrote:Careful. That makes too much competitive sense. Too much fair play there.SoCalTrjn wrote:as long as D1 continues to grow, they will keep adding bowl games. To fix it, pare D1 down to 64 teams and only allow those 64 teams to play one another, then youll only have a need for 16 bowl games
Sincerely,
Kent St, Akron, UW and Youngstown St, AKA, Ohio St's '07 OOC Schedule
The old: "I don't have any smack for whatever is happening this season so I will have to make the leap to next season."
8-1 feels so much better than 2-10-1
-
- 2005 and 2010 JFFL Champion
- Posts: 29350
- Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 2:21 pm
- Location: Lookin for tards
16 Bowl games over 4 weeks?SoCalTrjn wrote:as long as D1 continues to grow, they will keep adding bowl games. To fix it, pare D1 down to 64 teams and only allow those 64 teams to play one another, then youll only have a need for 16 bowl games
Sounds like a playoff to me.
But I'm sure it would destroy the "integrity" of the bowl system.
"Once upon a time, dinosaurs didn't have families. They lived in the woods and ate their children. It was a golden age."
—Earl Sinclair
"I do have respect for authority even though I throw jelly dicks at them.
- Antonio Brown
—Earl Sinclair
"I do have respect for authority even though I throw jelly dicks at them.
- Antonio Brown
Actually, truth be known, I could just as easily smack Ohio St's schedule this year too...Shawn Marion wrote:Nice.Van wrote:Careful. That makes too much competitive sense. Too much fair play there.SoCalTrjn wrote:as long as D1 continues to grow, they will keep adding bowl games. To fix it, pare D1 down to 64 teams and only allow those 64 teams to play one another, then youll only have a need for 16 bowl games
Sincerely,
Kent St, Akron, UW and Youngstown St, AKA, Ohio St's '07 OOC Schedule
The old: "I don't have any smack for whatever is happening this season so I will have to make the leap to next season."
Northern Illinois
at Texas
Cincinnati
Penn State
at Iowa
Bowling Green
at Michigan State
Indiana
Minnesota
at Illinois
at Northwestern
Michigan
Two games against Top 25 teams.
See, pretty much everybody agrees that Michigan had a weak schedule this year and that Wisconsin had one of the weakest schedules anybody's ever played this year. Well, just replace Notre Dame with Texas (and ND was better than Texas this year) and it's easy to see that Ohio St's schedule was just as weak as Michigan's and it was nearly as weak as Wisconsin's. Next year it'll be even weaker since you're replacing Texas with UW and then you're going with Youngstown St, Akron and Kent St.
Now, admittedly, it's not OSU's fault that the Big 10 was so down this year. It's also not their fault that Wisonsin wasn't on the rotation this year. Nonetheless, the only difference between Michigan and OSU this year is that Michigan at least also had to play Wisconsin, so they played three Top 25 teams this season...and Ohio St won their big rivalry game. Had Michigan beaten OSU it'd be OSU who would now be bitching about getting leapfroggred by USC since OSU's schedule wouldn't stand up to scrutiny any better than Michigan's has.
Next year, with only UW on the schedule? You'd better run the table, and/or hope that suddenly the Big 10 gets off the canvas. Otherwise, yep you're likely to be next year's Michigan, ie, getting ripped and leapfrogged due to your horrible scheduling.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
-
- Eternal Scobode
- Posts: 3257
- Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:25 pm
hey socal dipshit...UW is on the road...
we just got done going to Texas this year idiot...
just because you went to DC to play Va Tech and Nebraska and Arkansas (who turned out to be a lot better than people thought this year) so STFU...
we got home and homes with you fuckers in 08/09 and other top 10 teams in the near future...I know you play ND every year...great...and you alternate home and away WOW
Van that is fine...
tOSU went on the road and beat Texas
Cincy is a bowl team (just beat Rutgers)
PSU is a bowl team
Iowa is a bowl team
beat Michigan
great...harp on the sked all you want but don't act like some of the Pac 10 was admittedly weaker than originally thought...I mean you guys did lose to Oregon State correct? What separatea tOSU from others...they ran the fucking table (as you alluded to) so again they play what they are dealt...they took advantage of scheduling BGSU (was an open date) when the NCAA allowed the 12th game or whatever...not too many top 10 teams clamoring to fill that spot...
by the way the Big 10 is down this year admittedly so...but in the future tOSU is not ducking much of anyone non-con
08/09 the Condoms
10/11 Miami of FLA
12/13 KAL
14/15 Va Tech
16/17 Oklahoma
now of course everyone could blow monkey spunk by then but I give Tressel credit for scheduling 1 big OOC game...granted SC had a run with Arkansas that is over and you had NU this year WOW...great...I'll try and find some of the great nuggets SC has scheduled in the past and or has scheduled in the future
seriously the schedule thing is a tired old argument much like which conference is better...
if tOSU doesn't run the table next year hey so be it...you won't hear me bitching...Syracuse backed out of the opener which caused tOSU to scramble next year...oh well...
can we get onto bigger and better things like continual plungerings of m2OOL and Jon if he ever shows again...
we just got done going to Texas this year idiot...
just because you went to DC to play Va Tech and Nebraska and Arkansas (who turned out to be a lot better than people thought this year) so STFU...
we got home and homes with you fuckers in 08/09 and other top 10 teams in the near future...I know you play ND every year...great...and you alternate home and away WOW
Van that is fine...
tOSU went on the road and beat Texas
Cincy is a bowl team (just beat Rutgers)
PSU is a bowl team
Iowa is a bowl team
beat Michigan
great...harp on the sked all you want but don't act like some of the Pac 10 was admittedly weaker than originally thought...I mean you guys did lose to Oregon State correct? What separatea tOSU from others...they ran the fucking table (as you alluded to) so again they play what they are dealt...they took advantage of scheduling BGSU (was an open date) when the NCAA allowed the 12th game or whatever...not too many top 10 teams clamoring to fill that spot...
by the way the Big 10 is down this year admittedly so...but in the future tOSU is not ducking much of anyone non-con
08/09 the Condoms
10/11 Miami of FLA
12/13 KAL
14/15 Va Tech
16/17 Oklahoma
now of course everyone could blow monkey spunk by then but I give Tressel credit for scheduling 1 big OOC game...granted SC had a run with Arkansas that is over and you had NU this year WOW...great...I'll try and find some of the great nuggets SC has scheduled in the past and or has scheduled in the future
seriously the schedule thing is a tired old argument much like which conference is better...
if tOSU doesn't run the table next year hey so be it...you won't hear me bitching...Syracuse backed out of the opener which caused tOSU to scramble next year...oh well...
can we get onto bigger and better things like continual plungerings of m2OOL and Jon if he ever shows again...
Last edited by buckeye_in_sc on Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Cicero wrote:I'm w/ Shoalzie. There are way too many Bowl games. 16 bowls sounds good to me w/ a 4 team playoff.
Why keep the bowls? I think you can keep the sites active but get those stupid names and sponsors out of there and use the stadiums like hoops uses their common venues. Play the national title game in one of the major bowl sites...Miami, New Orleans, Glendale, or Pasadena. If you want to save a few of the bowl games to use an NIT for the also-rans, I can live with that.
Yeah? What about it? Like I already said, comparing this season's schedule with next season's schedule you're replacing your Texas roadie with a Washington roadie. I never said UW was at The Horseshoe next year. (I'm assuming it's a home and home though, right?)buckeye_in_sc wrote:hey socal dipshit...UW is on the road...
And Michigan just got done going to ND, who's better than Texas this year. What about it? I already mentioned it and I already mentioned that going to UW won't be nearly the same and it won't even begin to balance out Akron, Kent St and Youngstown St.we just got done going to Texas this year idiot...
You forgot Auburn. Anyway, whose point are you trying to prove here, yours or mine?just because you went to DC to play Va Tech and Nebraska and Arkansas (who turned out to be a lot better than people thought this year) so STFU...
That'll be great, no doubt.we got home and homes with you fuckers in 08/09 and other top 10 teams in the near future...I know you play ND every year...great...and you alternate home and away WOW
Thing is, you know full well that every year USC attempts to schedule more than just ND. Case in point: adding a home and home with Ohio fuggen St (!!), when they've already got a home and home with ND. (And who knows yet who their other OOC game will be that year? You can rest assured though it won't be some convenient local creampuff like Sacramento St or Portland St...) Difference here is no USC schedule will ever be littered with Youngstown St, Kent St and Akron and the Big 10 conference schedule is no better than the Pac 10's these days. This year, in fact, it was worse. If you got to skip Wisconsin or Ohio St then there was only one Top 25 team on your conference schedule.
Ohio St had a ridiculously easy schedule this year. Just sayin'. Next year's looks to be even easier, and it could very well come back to haunt you just like it haunted Wisconsin, Boise St and even Michigan this year. Just sayin'.
Last edited by Van on Wed Nov 29, 2006 4:04 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
-
- World Renowned Last Word Whore
- Posts: 25891
- Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:07 pm
Not everyone agrees with you, Van. Sagarin rates Michigan’s schedule as 13th toughest in the country.Van wrote:See, pretty much everybody agrees that Michigan had a weak schedule this year and that Wisconsin had one of the weakest schedules anybody's ever played this year.
No excuses for the Badgers’ OOC schedule. I blame Barry. He always scheduled easy OOC, and his main goal every year was to get to the Rose bowl. I think Bielema has higher aspirations, and in time will want to roll the dice and schedule a top team every year from outside the Big 10.
Joe in PB wrote: Yeah I'm the dumbass
schmick, speaking about Larry Nassar's pubescent and prepubescent victims wrote: They couldn't even kick that doctors ass
Seems they rather just lay there, get fucked and play victim
Goober, take a look at next year's Ohio St schedule. Compare it to this year's Michigan or Wisconsin schedule.
Not a lotta difference there. Ohio St simply has to hope that the Big 10 rebounds in a big way next season otherwise their S.O.S. will be a huge liability to them in any possible BCS rankings debates.
Not a lotta difference there. Ohio St simply has to hope that the Big 10 rebounds in a big way next season otherwise their S.O.S. will be a huge liability to them in any possible BCS rankings debates.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
- Terry in Crapchester
- 2012 March Madness Champ
- Posts: 8995
- Joined: Thu Jan 20, 2005 12:56 pm
- Location: Back in the 'burbs
I'm with Shoalzie in general principle. Having said that, however, I'm seriously contemplating attending the International Bowl this year.
I'd rather go see ND wherever they wind up playing, be it Pasadena, New Orleans, Miami, Glendale, AZ or even Jacksonville. But with some things going on involving my son at home right now, it wouldn't be fair to my wife to leave her alone with the kids for a few days.
Toronto is only about a 3 -- 3 1/2 hour drive away, so I could either do it in one day, or maybe even convince the wife to make a weekend trip of it with the family. Top ticket prices are only $35 Canadien -- I haven't seen any recent exchange rates, but I'd have to guess that's no more than $25 US, so it's a relative bargain. I know it's not the most prestigious bowl game, or even remotely close to it, but I love college football, it's fairly close to home, and how often do you get the opportunity to attend the inaugural game of anything?
I'd rather go see ND wherever they wind up playing, be it Pasadena, New Orleans, Miami, Glendale, AZ or even Jacksonville. But with some things going on involving my son at home right now, it wouldn't be fair to my wife to leave her alone with the kids for a few days.
Toronto is only about a 3 -- 3 1/2 hour drive away, so I could either do it in one day, or maybe even convince the wife to make a weekend trip of it with the family. Top ticket prices are only $35 Canadien -- I haven't seen any recent exchange rates, but I'd have to guess that's no more than $25 US, so it's a relative bargain. I know it's not the most prestigious bowl game, or even remotely close to it, but I love college football, it's fairly close to home, and how often do you get the opportunity to attend the inaugural game of anything?
War Wagon wrote:The first time I click on one of your youtube links will be the first time.
- Vito Corleone
- Eternal Scobode
- Posts: 2413
- Joined: Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:55 am
Anyone who bangs on tOSU's schedule is an idiot. I don't care how many pansey teams a team plays, I care about how they do against the elite teams they play. tOSU beat the # 2 team twice in one season and if they win their bowl game they will have done it 3 times.
My biggest problem with the Big east teams is that they didn't play anyone all year and then they beat up on each other. How am I supposed to be impressed with that? Same with Boisie State or any team that actually played elite teams and lost (aka Texas).
My biggest problem with the Big east teams is that they didn't play anyone all year and then they beat up on each other. How am I supposed to be impressed with that? Same with Boisie State or any team that actually played elite teams and lost (aka Texas).
M Club wrote:I've seen Phantom Holding Calls ruin a 7-5 team's undefeated season.
Agreed. They ran the table. No problem, they're in; no ifs, ands or buts.Vito Corleone wrote:Anyone who bangs on tOSU's schedule is an idiot. I don't care how many pansey teams a team plays, I care about how they do against the elite teams they play. tOSU beat the # 2 team twice in one season and if they win their bowl game they will have done it 3 times.
Thing is, what if they didn't? They'd be Michigan. They'd be in trouble right now in terms of the their S.O.S., especially since Texas turned out to obviously not be a #2 team.
Lacking anything OOC that's even remotely competitive or compelling (much less on a par with roadies to ND or Texas) their schedule is potentially even worse next year so they're probably going to have to run the table again or risk losing out on S.O.S. in any BCS debate with other one loss teams.
You must have a big problem then with the majority of CF, and especially the SEC.My biggest problem with the Big east teams is that they didn't play anyone all year and then they beat up on each other. How am I supposed to be impressed with that? Same with Boisie State or any team that actually played elite teams and lost (aka Texas).
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
-
- Eternal Scobode
- Posts: 3257
- Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:25 pm
Van...I agree about next years tOSU schedule (non con for sure)...the UW game is a roadie for payback from 2003 when they came to the Shoe...
I admit the OOC schedule next year is lacking especially if UW is for crap...but 2007 is really the only year in the next few that their OOC schedule is really BAD...
I have no problem with tOSU scheduling MAC teams...they historically are competitive, and tOSU has long said they would rather give the big game check to an in state school...good or bad? Don't know or don't care...but USC has long scheduled a lot of WAC teams for OOC games I mean Fresno St, BYU, Hawaii, Colorado State...not saying they are good or bad but not one team in CF can claim huge bode in terms of we schedule every big team etc...
Historically the teams that finish high in schedule strength are the also rans (like say a Minny) who had to play both tOSU and Michigan as well as Sconsin...
anyway again this debate is tired and old...
tOSU needs to run the table next year period...
I admit the OOC schedule next year is lacking especially if UW is for crap...but 2007 is really the only year in the next few that their OOC schedule is really BAD...
I have no problem with tOSU scheduling MAC teams...they historically are competitive, and tOSU has long said they would rather give the big game check to an in state school...good or bad? Don't know or don't care...but USC has long scheduled a lot of WAC teams for OOC games I mean Fresno St, BYU, Hawaii, Colorado State...not saying they are good or bad but not one team in CF can claim huge bode in terms of we schedule every big team etc...
Historically the teams that finish high in schedule strength are the also rans (like say a Minny) who had to play both tOSU and Michigan as well as Sconsin...
anyway again this debate is tired and old...
tOSU needs to run the table next year period...
Still kinda shocked that TPTB in CF managed to get out of their own way long enough to schedule an actual home and home between USC and Ohio St...
With all the military academies they schedule (plus their lack of any conference schedule) ND in particular needs to add some more big time home and homes too. I'd really like to see some SEC teams venture out of their cozy confines and ND would be the perfect foil.
LSU, 'Bama or especially Georgia, who never leaves the southeast, yeah, that'd be good.
Some elite team match ups between the SEC and either/both the Big XII and Big 10 would also be way overdue. Dammit.
With all the military academies they schedule (plus their lack of any conference schedule) ND in particular needs to add some more big time home and homes too. I'd really like to see some SEC teams venture out of their cozy confines and ND would be the perfect foil.
LSU, 'Bama or especially Georgia, who never leaves the southeast, yeah, that'd be good.
Some elite team match ups between the SEC and either/both the Big XII and Big 10 would also be way overdue. Dammit.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
Hey Van, do you think it would matter if tOSU played '07s schedule this year? No, because they ran the table. Even your famed USC couldn't do that. And the only reason you are even running this shit right now is because ND is "good" or at least the pollsters love them. When ND returns to their late 90's early 00's form you will again have a weak OOC schedule outside of tOSU. And no way in hell can you claim ND is better than Texas. Army, Navy, Air Force, Purdue, Stanford, UCLA, and NC are not up to par w/ any other conference schedule.
And I'm sorry our schedule is so weak, I know you have Idaho, SJS and Hawaii coming up in the next few years. Don't take on too much. Plus, with the Stanford game and the rest of the Pac10 you might be putting your NC hopes on the line each week. If tOSU wants to play Youngstown St to repay Tressels old school, so be it. Yeah we have a down year next year but it looks great since we will be replacing Smith and Ginn. If we run the table and you don't, I am sure you will still be bitching. In case you didn't notice, this isn't the NFL and every game matters. You slip up next year and tOSU runs their schedule, too bad.
And I'm sorry our schedule is so weak, I know you have Idaho, SJS and Hawaii coming up in the next few years. Don't take on too much. Plus, with the Stanford game and the rest of the Pac10 you might be putting your NC hopes on the line each week. If tOSU wants to play Youngstown St to repay Tressels old school, so be it. Yeah we have a down year next year but it looks great since we will be replacing Smith and Ginn. If we run the table and you don't, I am sure you will still be bitching. In case you didn't notice, this isn't the NFL and every game matters. You slip up next year and tOSU runs their schedule, too bad.
"Rest easy Woody, the new man has arrived."
-
- BANNED FAT RETARD
- Posts: 714
- Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:51 am
-
- Eternal Scobode
- Posts: 21259
- Joined: Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:35 pm
Add to that, the strange, yet cool idea of seeing a bowl game in the freaking Skydome. I like that idea. I'm not too far from Toronto myself. If I don't make it this year, I'll go in the near future...assuming it's still in existence, of course, which is assuming a lot. Yeah, the match-up is pretty fucking lame, but that's to be expected. At least it involves a team from a conference (the MAC) that I have some familiarity with.Terry in Crapchester wrote:Toronto is only about a 3 -- 3 1/2 hour drive away, so I could either do it in one day, or maybe even convince the wife to make a weekend trip of it with the family. Top ticket prices are only $35 Canadien -- I haven't seen any recent exchange rates, but I'd have to guess that's no more than $25 US, so it's a relative bargain. I know it's not the most prestigious bowl game, or even remotely close to it, but I love college football, it's fairly close to home, and how often do you get the opportunity to attend the inaugural game of anything?
Nope. They were the preseason #1 and they ran the table. No way in hell Ohio St doesn't get in if they run the table. Their schedule next year is only slightly worse than this year's schedule. It wouldn't matter.Sky wrote:Hey Van, do you think it would matter if tOSU played '07s schedule this year?
Exactly. Same will hold true next year. OSU runs the table, they're in. The problem for them will be if they end up in a BCS debate among one loss teams. Their S.O.S. will likely hurt them, just as it's hurting Michigan right now vis a vis USC and a one loss Florida.No, because they ran the table.
Not this year, nope, they couldn't. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year, not another run at the national title year. By USC Fan's estimate this USC team greatly overachieved, provided they go on and beat UCLA too. None of us had USC in the title game this year. Most of us had 'em down for at least two losses, if not three.Even your famed USC couldn't do that.
Bullshit. It's not just ND, it's Nebraska and Arkansas. It's the fact that every year USC has the most aggressive OOC scheduling of ANY of the elite teams. It's the fact that despite Tressel's local ties Ohio has no business loading up on Kent St, Akron and Youngstown St.And the only reason you are even running this shit right now is because ND is "good" or at least the pollsters love them.
Obviously, it isn't just Ohio St doing this crap so I'm not just picking on them. Texas, Nebraska, Auburn, LSU, FSU, Michigan, Wisconsin, hey, most everybody does it. Ohio St's definitely not alone in this nonsense. I simply hate that crap and I bet you do too, if you were to be honest with yourself. What, are you really going to look forward to watching controlled scrimmages against the likes of Kent St and D-1AA Youngstown St?
Total farce. Total waste of time.
No, we won't. First of all there is no "outside of OSU". We scheduled them. If we beat them we'll get credit for it in our S.O.S. Moreover, we'll have Ohio St, ND and our other OOC opponent, who most assuredly won't be a Youngstown St. (I don't know yet who our third OOC opponent will be for that season.)When ND returns to their late 90's early 00's form you will again have a weak OOC schedule outside of tOSU.
Also, by the time we play Ohio St Weis will be finally playing with all his own recruits and so I doubt ND will be in the toilet that year.
No problems with USC's S.O.S. With at least two games against OSU and ND it'll likely be ranked #1 again.
They'll be in Ohio St's position next year. They'll go into the season ranked #1, of that there can be little doubt. They only graduate four starters! They're still young as hell. So, they'll come in #1 and with roadies already scheduled for South Bend and Lincoln the title will be their's to lose. As you well know the preseason #1 in recent years has gone on to play in the title game every time.
Yes, I can, easily. ND has only two losses, to the nation's #2 and #3 teams. (Remember Michigan Fan argument!) They've beaten a potential BCS conference champ. They're ranked much higher than a three loss Texas team who lost to K State and who also lost their in state rivalry game at home. ND ain't great but they have to be considered better than a three loss Texas, absolutely.And no way in hell can you claim ND is better than Texas. Army, Navy, Air Force, Purdue, Stanford, UCLA, and NC are not up to par w/ any other conference schedule.
So am I. It needn't be.And I'm sorry our schedule is so weak,
Thank god. Gotta say though, while it's a picnic to go to Honolulu it's no picnic for your defense to have to play Hawaii in Honolulu.I know you have Idaho, SJS and Hawaii coming up in the next few years.
Oh no, if you run the table and we don't you'll hear no bitching from me, not about #1, anyway. We might still get into the title game if we don't run the table though and you definitely won't, and that's what we're talking about here. The Big 10 is too down right now to run Conference Smack and no Big 10 team can afford to do anything less than run the table with the way they're scheduling OOC...Don't take on too much. Plus, with the Stanford game and the rest of the Pac10 you might be putting your NC hopes on the line each week. If tOSU wants to play Youngstown St to repay Tressels old school, so be it. Yeah we have a down year next year but it looks great since we will be replacing Smith and Ginn. If we run the table and you don't, I am sure you will still be bitching. In case you didn't notice, this isn't the NFL and every game matters. You slip up next year and tOSU runs their schedule, too bad.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
- FLW Buckeye
- 2014 T1B FBBL Champ
- Posts: 1396
- Joined: Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:14 am
Van,
Why the sudden obsession with next year's schedule? You're carrying on like SC already got beat and the best you can come up with is future smack. Nice. What I'd like to discuss is SC's inability to run through the creampuff portion of its current schedule. Why did SC lose? Could it be that, in the weeks leading up to the OSU game, SC played football like two fat people fuck? Just down right nasty. Even most of the real SC fans could see a loss coming. If OSU had been any good (top 15), SC would have been Notre Damed. The next time that anyone fucks with mtool and how his team plays on the road, think long and hard about the way SC plays like ass when your team boards their bus for a road trip.
Regardless of your attempts to TREX up this thread, the Buckeyes took care of business by beating two #2 teams and will have beat another if it wins the NCG. That is something that SC has never come close to.
Go Bruins.
Why the sudden obsession with next year's schedule? You're carrying on like SC already got beat and the best you can come up with is future smack. Nice. What I'd like to discuss is SC's inability to run through the creampuff portion of its current schedule. Why did SC lose? Could it be that, in the weeks leading up to the OSU game, SC played football like two fat people fuck? Just down right nasty. Even most of the real SC fans could see a loss coming. If OSU had been any good (top 15), SC would have been Notre Damed. The next time that anyone fucks with mtool and how his team plays on the road, think long and hard about the way SC plays like ass when your team boards their bus for a road trip.
Regardless of your attempts to TREX up this thread, the Buckeyes took care of business by beating two #2 teams and will have beat another if it wins the NCG. That is something that SC has never come close to.
Go Bruins.
“Hey! You scratched my anchor!”
-
- World Renowned Last Word Whore
- Posts: 25891
- Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:07 pm
What the hell does tOSU 2007 schedule have to do with Michigan's schedule ranking as 13th toughest this year? Your argument would seem to suggest that you believe tOSU will have the 13th toughest schedule in the nation next year. And it's pretty hard to judge next year's schedule when you really don't have any idea which teams might be improved, and by how much.Van wrote:Goober McTuber wrote:Not everyone agrees with you, Van. Sagarin rates Michigan’s schedule as 13th toughest in the country.Van wrote:See, pretty much everybody agrees that Michigan had a weak schedule this year and that Wisconsin had one of the weakest schedules anybody's ever played this year.
No excuses for the Badgers’ OOC schedule. I blame Barry. He always scheduled easy OOC, and his main goal every year was to get to the Rose bowl. I think Bielema has higher aspirations, and in time will want to roll the dice and schedule a top team every year from outside the Big 10.
Goober, take a look at next year's Ohio St schedule. Compare it to this year's Michigan or Wisconsin schedule.
Not a lotta difference there.
Kent State and Akron are roughly .500 teams from the MAC, I don’t know if either or both might be improved next year. Youngstown State is 1-AA, but they are 10-2, and obviously got on the schedule because Tressel used to coach there.
All three are Ohio schools, which is probably why they’re on the schedule. I have no problem with a major college scheduling lesser in-state schools. As long as the Big 10 bounces back, their SOS won’t look that bad.
Edit to add: Michigan is not fucked because of their SOS, they're fucked because of when they lost.
Joe in PB wrote: Yeah I'm the dumbass
schmick, speaking about Larry Nassar's pubescent and prepubescent victims wrote: They couldn't even kick that doctors ass
Seems they rather just lay there, get fucked and play victim
'Cause I just heard about OSU's for the first time, this morning!FLW Buckeye wrote:Van,
Why the sudden obsession with next year's schedule?
:-)
Nope, I'm carrying on like I ALWAYS do whenever I'm subjected to hearing about the shameful OOC schedules of too many elite teams. In case you hadn't noticed it's a regular pet peeve of mine and I'm nothing if not an equal opportunity offender when it comes to being pissed off about it.You're carrying on like SC already got beat and the best you can come up with is future smack.
Why yes, it could. Methinks you nailed it.Nice. What I'd like to discuss is SC's inability to run through the creampuff portion of its current schedule. Why did SC lose? Could it be that, in the weeks leading up to the OSU game, SC played football like two fat people fuck?
Yup.Just down right nasty.
Good thing then they still had the nation's toughest schedule to fall back on, huh?
Yup. None of us saw 'em losing that one but we all predicted that this very young and inexperienced USC team would stumble a couple times this season. I think most of us felt that USC might lose one during the first third of the season (at Arkansas, Nebraska, at Arizona, at WSU...three roadies, including an opener against a pissed off and revenge minded SEC team, sandwiched around Nebraska) and then another one during the final third of the season (Oregon, Cal, ND, at UCLA)...Even most of the real SC fans could see a loss coming.
We may still prove to be right about the multiple stumbles. With our other rivalry game still to go we haven't yet finished the job.
Oregon St probably is nearly as good as ND, come to think of it. They're in the Top 25, they have a chance to end the season with ten wins and they beat their in state rival. They're pretty good. They caught as at the right time and they beat us, fair and square. Congrats to them. They're definitely coming along as a program. They're no doormat anymore.If OSU had been any good (top 15), SC would have been Notre Damed.
No problem, considering it was as recently as the middle of THIS season that USC owned the longest road winning streak in D-1 CF. There isn't a single conference affiliated team in CF who handles themselves better on the road, year in, year out. USC schedules more tough roadies and they win more tough roadies than anybody.The next time that anyone fucks with mtool and how his team plays on the road, think long and hard about the way SC plays like ass when your team boards their bus for a road trip.
Can't believe you just wrote that. That was just stupid.
When did this become a debate about the worthiness of this year's OSU team? They're in, they're solid. Never said otherwise. All I said is that their relatively weak OOC schedule (especially next year) pretty much demands that they run the table or else they'll lose out to some other one loss team, same as Michigan or Boise St.Regardless of your attempts to TREX up this thread, the Buckeyes took care of business by beating two #2 teams and will have beat another if it wins the NCG. That is something that SC has never come close to.
As for USC, hey, even in a rebuilding year they still stand a chance at being maybe the only team to ever beat two BCS conference champs in the same season along the way to winning an "Oh, excuse me!" national title they weren't even supposed to compete for until next year.
Not bad. We'll take that.
Smart rooting choice. You sure as hell would be better off facing your personal doormats Lloyd Carr and Michigan again rather than a very hot and athletic Pete Caroll led USC team. Your fanbase might not want Michigan again, and rightfully so, but you can bet Jim Tressell and his staff would rather see Lloyd Carr and maize and blue staring back at them from across the field rather than cardinal and gold and Pete Carroll...Go Bruins.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
Van wrote:Oregon St...They're definitely coming along as a program.
I dunno...they're in about the same "state-of-limbo" they've been in for about 10 years now, which is definitely not the "ddormat" status of the previous 3 decades or so. And by "doormat," I don't mean the doormat of the PAC, I mean the doormat of D1.
Damn, they were bad.
I got 99 problems but the 'vid ain't one
That, and the fact that the other one loss teams have stronger overall bodies of work this season.Edit to add: Michigan is not fucked because of their SOS, they're fucked because of when they lost.
Losing your rivalry game and your conference are also huge detriments.
Michigan's schedule may by some quirk of Sagarin be ranked 13th but that's at least due in large part to Ohio St being on their schedule. The problem for Michigan is that statistical rankings aside the public perception of Michigan is that they only own wins over overrated ND and Wisconsin and that's not enough, not when compared to one loss USC and possibly even one loss Florida. Michigan's paltry OOC schedule in particular has been mentioned numerous times as one large reason why they don't deserve to get in over USC or Florida.
Like you said though, next year could be different. That's why I keep using qualifiers like "potentially". Yeah, if the Big 10 storms back next season then OSU could possibly afford to be a one loss team with one of the worst OOC schedules around. If not though, nope, they're toast unless they run the table.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
True, but as you're saying you're also old enough to remember when they were one of the worst programs anywhere, and they were that bad seemingly forever. For OSU to even stabilize as an 8-10 wins per season program over a ten year period is just something that would've been unthinkable ten years ago, or at any other point in their history. So, yeah, they're definitely coming along as a program. They haven't reached elite status yet or anything but they're absolutely moving continually in the right direction. They will continue to scare big teams and even beat the occasional big teams as they move their way on up the food chain.Dinsdale wrote:Van wrote:Oregon St...They're definitely coming along as a program.
I dunno...they're in about the same "state-of-limbo" they've been in for about 10 years now, which is definitely not the "ddormat" status of the previous 3 decades or so. And by "doormat," I don't mean the doormat of the PAC, I mean the doormat of D1.
Damn, they were bad.
For OSU, that's a downright miracle.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev
-
- World Renowned Last Word Whore
- Posts: 25891
- Joined: Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:07 pm
Van,
USC and Florida both have looked rather shaky in a few games this year. Michigan only had one such game, Ball State. And is it really worse to lose your rivalry game to the #1 team in the country, or to one of your own conference’s also-rans?
If Michigan had lost to tOSU the last weekend in September, I don’t know that USC would have passed them in the polls. Maybe in the computer rankings, but that’s only one third of the BCS formula.
And funny how that quirk in Sagarin that allowed Michigan’s schedule to rank 13th largely because they played tOSU couldn’t pull Texas SOS above 43rd.
USC and Florida both have looked rather shaky in a few games this year. Michigan only had one such game, Ball State. And is it really worse to lose your rivalry game to the #1 team in the country, or to one of your own conference’s also-rans?
If Michigan had lost to tOSU the last weekend in September, I don’t know that USC would have passed them in the polls. Maybe in the computer rankings, but that’s only one third of the BCS formula.
And funny how that quirk in Sagarin that allowed Michigan’s schedule to rank 13th largely because they played tOSU couldn’t pull Texas SOS above 43rd.
Joe in PB wrote: Yeah I'm the dumbass
schmick, speaking about Larry Nassar's pubescent and prepubescent victims wrote: They couldn't even kick that doctors ass
Seems they rather just lay there, get fucked and play victim
Van wrote: True, but as you're saying you're also old enough to remember when they were one of the worst programs anywhere
Not "one of"...THE worst.
When I was in high school...I wanna say in 1984...that one writer had that wonderful column in the sports page every week, "The Bottom Ten"...which along with "Bill and Mary," OrSU used to dominate his rankings(Oregon used to find their way in there back then, too). At one point, OSU held the #1 spot in the Bottom Ten, while UCLA was well-entrenched in the real #1 AP/UPI spot. I went to the matchup in Corvallis.
Great freaking time. State came out and opened up a Costco-sixed can of whoopass. The route was on. I think they were up about 3TDs at half.
Of course, UCLA came back and made it a blowout by the end of the 3rd, but it was a moment in the sun for OrSU -- they won a half. That was a big deal back then. By that point, I didn't care. I was wearing a hat from my high school, and as I walked through the student section, some very drunk fools yelled "Sunset? Hey, I went to Sunset...come'ere!" I was pretty freaking drunk and stoned by the time I got back to my seats...if I even made it.
Good times. Parker Stadium was an absolute free-for-all in those days.
I got 99 problems but the 'vid ain't one
Even if a team runs the table the BCS should not reward them if theyre playing 7 or 8 home games and theyre playing Akron, Appalachin State and Central or Middle Anywhere.
Use this system as leverage to force teams to play intersectional home and home series vs other BCS power schools (not Duke)
There is no acceptable excuse for more than 6 home games, dont cry poor, dont bitch about expenses, Standford only had 5 home games this year and theyre not filing bankruptcy.
There is no excuse for scheduling games OOC that are at home and there is no way in hell you can lose them. Tell me the last time OSU lost to Akron, Kent or whatever other dial a win patsie that seems to find its way on to their schedule, no excuse.
Use this system as leverage to force teams to play intersectional home and home series vs other BCS power schools (not Duke)
There is no acceptable excuse for more than 6 home games, dont cry poor, dont bitch about expenses, Standford only had 5 home games this year and theyre not filing bankruptcy.
There is no excuse for scheduling games OOC that are at home and there is no way in hell you can lose them. Tell me the last time OSU lost to Akron, Kent or whatever other dial a win patsie that seems to find its way on to their schedule, no excuse.
The same holds true for USC if they'd been undefeated and then lost either of their late season rivalry games to UCLA and ND.Goober McTuber wrote:Van,
USC and Florida both have looked rather shaky in a few games this year. Michigan only had one such game, Ball State. And is it really worse to lose your rivalry game to the #1 team in the country, or to one of your own conference’s also-rans?
If Michigan had lost to tOSU the last weekend in September, I don’t know that USC would have passed them in the polls. Maybe in the computer rankings, but that’s only one third of the BCS formula.
You simply can't lose your rivalry games and you definitely can't lose 'em late.
Michigan's problem vis a vis USC and Florida simply boils down to having to bank on a marquee loss rather than a number of marquee wins. Sure, USC and Florida didn't lose to Ohio St. They couldn't. They didn't get to play 'em. Same as Michigan though, but to a lesser degree, obviously, they lost close games in conference on the road. In Florida's case it was on the road, in conference, to a highly ranked rival, on some shaky calls by the refs.
The problem with Michigan is they're suffering from their loss being the worst type of loss (late season, to an undefeated conference rival who also took the conference too) combining with their decided lack of quality wins. ND and Wisconsin just won't cut it, not against USC's quality wins and probably not against Florida's.
Who said Texas played a tough schedule? Wasn't me. Besides losing to OSU Texas played Sam Houston St, Rice and North Texas, along with a very down year Big XII conference schedule. That ain't a very impressive schedule.And funny how that quirk in Sagarin that allowed Michigan’s schedule to rank 13th largely because they played tOSU couldn’t pull Texas SOS above 43rd.
Joe Satriani is a mime, right? - 88
Show me your dicks. - trev
Show me your dicks. - trev