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More evidence that the City by the Bay has completely lost touch with America. Can you say Apocolypse?
SAN FRANCISCO
School Board votes to dump JROTC program
Jill Tucker, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, November 15, 2006

After 90 years in San Francisco high schools, the Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps must go, the San Francisco school board decided Tuesday night.
The Board of Education voted 4-2 to eliminate the popular program, phasing it out over two years.

Dozens of JROTC cadets at the board meeting burst into tears or covered their faces after the votes were cast.

"We're really shocked,'' said fourth-year Cadet Eric Chu, a senior at Lowell High School, his eyes filling with tears. "It provided me with a place to go."

The proposal approved by the board also creates a task force to develop alternatives to the program that will be tried out next year at various high schools.

The board's decision was loudly applauded by opponents of the program.

Their position was summed up by a former teacher, Nancy Mancias, who said, "We need to teach a curriculum of peace."
...and free love, free drugs, and open borders. Who do you think guarantees the peace around here, Libby? Ghandi?

The board's move to dismantle the popular program was led by board members Dan Kelly and Mark Sanchez with support from Sarah Lipson and Eric Mar. Casting votes against it were Jill Wynns and Norman Yee. Board member Eddie Chin was absent.

"I think people should not despair too much," Sanchez said. "I think now the work begins -- to work within the community to develop new programs that will fulfill the needs of our students."
...might wanna start with the 1,600 kids you just displaced, Cheech. Oh, and make sure your new program includes the same advanced educational opportunities as the program you just eliminated....

About 1,600 San Francisco students participate in JROTC at seven high schools across the district.

Opponents said the armed forces should have no place in public schools, and the military's discriminatory stance on gays makes the presence of JROTC unacceptable.
...why stop there?! Why not ban High School Football too? Surely the Board must disagree with the NFL's drug-testing policy as a violation of our inalienable Right to Privacy...

"We don't want the military ruining our civilian institutions," said Sandra Schwartz of the American Friends Service Committee, an organization actively opposing JROTC nationwide. "In a healthy democracy ... you contain the military. You must contain the military."
...good point. Next thing you know, we'll have jackbooted firefighters and Brown Shirts delivering the mail...

Students, parents and school staff from each of the seven high schools converged outside the school board meeting carrying signs and waving at cars, some of which honked in support.

At least 100 cadets edged into Franklin Street waving their signs before being pushed back to the sidewalk by their ROTC instructors.

Yet, in the end, the effort -- one of several rallies in the last several weeks -- fell on deaf ears.

"This is where the kids feel safe, the one place they feel safe," Robert Powell, a JROTC instructor at Lincoln High School and a retired Army lieutenant colonel, said earlier in the evening. "You're going to take that away from them?"

Opponents acknowledged the program is popular and even helps some students stay in school and out of trouble.

Yet they also said the program exists to lure students to sign up for the armed forces.
..."lure"? Guess they musta missed the part where Mom and Dad must provide signed permission before their kid can participate in the program...

"It's basically a branding program, or a recruiting program for the military," Kelly said before the meeting.
...we talking cattle or kids here? Besides, what's your beef? The stupid kids wind up in Iraq anyway. The best and the brightest go to Berkeley. Darwin would be pleased...

The school district and the military share the $1.6 million annual cost of the program, with the military paying $586,000, or half the salaries of 15 instructors -- all of whom are retired military personnel. The district pays the other half of salaries and $394,000 in benefits.

Earlier, Mayor Gavin Newsom weighed in on the debate, chastising the board for the effort to eliminate JROTC.

"The move sends the wrong message," he said. "It's important for the city not to be identified with disrespecting the sacrifice of men and women in uniform."
Students in the program receive physical education or elective credits required for graduation.
...sorry, Mayor, but that trolley left the station years ago...

A budget analysis found that the district could hire nine teachers with the money the district now spends on JROTC -- enough to cover the gym and elective courses for the 1,600 students should the program be eliminated.
...ah. The smoking gun (beg pardon). Replace the military stiffs with dues-paying teachers to fatten union coffers...

But there wouldn't be money to create an alternative program serving that many students, Wynns said.
...no sweat, Jilly! You and the rest of your Board pals can simply lobby your County buddies to raise property taxes!

"I think the people who want to get rid of it have a responsibility to look at how we're going to pay for that and what we're going to do to replace it," she added.
Newsom also said he believed the vote would push more city residents away from the public schools.
...dumping the program probably won't. Raising their taxes will.

"You think this is going to help keep families in San Francisco?" the mayor added. "No. It's going to hurt."

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Wonder what the fallout might have looked like had the San Francisco School Board banned gay student unions or philantropic organizations?

At least they didn't vote to have Creationism taught side-by-side with Evolution. Then, we mighta had an issue....
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Truman wrote:At least they didn't vote to have Creationism taught side-by-side with Evolution. Then, we mighta had an issue....
Nope, we civilized people will leave that all to Kansas.

You do realize that the military is free to conduct their own JROTC program outside the confines of the school district's policies. Maybe they could sponsor one less NASCAR ride and put some money back into the community for a change. Gee, wouldn't THAT be a novel idea? :meds:
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College ROTC qualifies graduates to become junior officers in the military when they graduate from college, but what does junior ROTC qualify high school graduates to be? Enlisted personnel? Aren't they qualified for that anyway?
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BSmack wrote:You do realize that the military is free to conduct their own JROTC program outside the confines of the school district's policies.
Oh, you mean like the Boy Scouts? Now there’s a thought…. Why, the JROTC’s could meet in churches and synagogues! And they could even freely discriminate against all the gays that they want to!

(The Supreme Court Justice out front shoulda told you…)

Maybe they could sponsor one less NASCAR ride and put some money back into the community for a change. Gee, wouldn't THAT be a novel idea? :meds:
Oh, you mean in addition to all the coin the military has already plowed into the community’s schools? Well thought take, B. :meds:

As for NASCAR sponsorship: If you had troubled yourself to click the demographics link that I posted in the Charles Wrangell thread you would have discovered that a disproportionate number of today’s recruits are white and come from the South. If anything, the U.S. Military should expand its advertisement spending to say, the NBA, or soccer broadcasts on Telemundo. Then perhaps the military can post demographics more in line with what ol’ Chuckles is looking for….

You have an actual take on the posted topic, B, or are you content having your straw men set ablaze?
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Cuda wrote:College ROTC qualifies graduates to become junior officers in the military when they graduate from college, but what does junior ROTC qualify high school graduates to be? Enlisted personnel? Aren't they qualified for that anyway?
Absolutely, Cuda. But JROTC is a college preperatory course for, well, college ROTC... JROTC opens many doors for kids who might not have the opportunity or the financial where-with-all to attend college. Not to mention that it is a near pre-requisite for consideration of admission to one of our country's service academies.
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Truman wrote: Oh, you mean like the Boy Scouts? Now there’s a thought…. Why, the JROTC’s could meet in churches and synagogues!

It'll be the loneliest meeting you'll ever attend. I'm thinking, party of one.
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Truman wrote:Oh, you mean like the Boy Scouts? Now there’s a thought…. Why, the JROTC’s could meet in churches and synagogues! And they could even freely discriminate against all the gays that they want to!

(The Supreme Court Justice out front shoulda told you…)
Sounds like a great idea. I'm sure that there are some churches in San Francisco that would love to take in the millitary. Better yet, don't they have some land over at the Presidio that could be used for a school devoted to JROTC students?
Oh, you mean in addition to all the coin the military has already plowed into the community’s schools? Well thought take, B. :meds:
Link? And no, recruitment efforts do not count.
As for NASCAR sponsorship: If you had troubled yourself to click the demographics link that I posted in the Charles Wrangell thread you would have discovered that a disproportionate number of today’s recruits are white and come from the South. If anything, the U.S. Military should expand its advertisement spending to say, the NBA, or soccer broadcasts on Telemundo. Then perhaps the military can post demographics more in line with what ol’ Chuckles is looking for….
And if you had read my take, you would have realized that I see through Rangel's posturing for what it is.
You have an actual take on the posted topic, B, or are you content having your straw men set ablaze?
I gave you my take. That it offended your sensibilities is your problem, not mine.
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BSmack wrote:
Truman wrote:Oh, you mean like the Boy Scouts? Now there’s a thought…. Why, the JROTC’s could meet in churches and synagogues! And they could even freely discriminate against all the gays that they want to!

(The Supreme Court Justice out front shoulda told you…)
Sounds like a great idea. I'm sure that there are some churches in San Francisco that would love to take in the millitary.
…And I’m sure that there are some mosques and mental institutions in San Francisco that would love to take in like-minded folks just like you….
Better yet, don't they have some land over at the Presidio that could be used for a school devoted to JROTC students?
Just as well. Clearly, the land over in Berkeley is already in use for a school devoted to Communists….
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Truman wrote:Oh, you mean in addition to all the coin the military has already plowed into the community’s schools? Well thought take, B. :meds:
Link? And no, recruitment efforts do not count.
Happily.

http://www.hookedonphonics.com

Once you’ve mastered reading, B, perhaps the sentence, ”the school district and the military share the $1.6 million annual cost of the program, with the military paying $586,000, or half the salaries of 15 instructors…” from my initial post just might take on new significance for you.

Dork.

BTW, there are currently 3229 JROTC programs offered to high school students in the United States. That works out to be an investment of well over $250 million in our country’s future. Let’s see a program sponsored by the ACLU, Greenpeace, or PETA present such educational opportunities….
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Truman wrote:As for NASCAR sponsorship: If you had troubled yourself to click the demographics link that I posted in the Charles Wrangell thread you would have discovered that a disproportionate number of today’s recruits are white and come from the South. If anything, the U.S. Military should expand its advertisement spending to say, the NBA, or soccer broadcasts on Telemundo. Then perhaps the military can post demographics more in line with what ol’ Chuckles is looking for….
And if you had read my take, you would have realized that I see through Rangel's posturing for what it is.
And if you had read my take, you would have realized that I actually agreed with your posturing for what it is.
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Truman wrote:You have an actual take on the posted topic, B, or are you content having your straw men set ablaze?
I gave you my take. That it offended your sensibilities is your problem, not mine.
Actually, B, you posted this:

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As for my sensibilities, no worries: Two posts into this thread, you’ve validated that you have no take.
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Truman wrote:
BSmack wrote:Link? And no, recruitment efforts do not count.
Happily.

http://www.hookedonphonics.com

Once you’ve mastered reading, B, perhaps the sentence, ”the school district and the military share the $1.6 million annual cost of the program, with the military paying $586,000, or half the salaries of 15 instructors…” from my initial post just might take on new significance for you.
Oh this is fucking rich. Did I or did I not tell you that recruiting efforts do not count? The military should be paying ALL the expenses associated with JROTC, not pawning off half the load on the school district.
BTW, there are currently 3229 JROTC programs offered to high school students in the United States. That works out to be an investment of well over $250 million in our country’s future. Let’s see a program sponsored by the ACLU, Greenpeace, or PETA present such educational opportunities….
When the ACLU has a taxpayer funded operating budget of half a trillion or so dollars, you can make a comparison.
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Truman wrote:where-with-all




Bustin' up over here.


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and he thinks he's witty on top of it.
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In order:
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Oh this is fucking rich. Did I or did I not tell you that recruiting efforts do not count?


No, but high school elective courses do. The kids that choose to participate in this program are under no obligation to serve in the military.
The military should be paying ALL the expenses associated with JROTC, not pawning off half the load on the school district.
Seriously, B, what the hell difference does it make? Public school dollars ultimately all come outta the same black hole – our wallets.

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Bustin' up over here.
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So, here we are, back at "I don't want to break a nail, so therefore the very documunt that defines 'our way of life' must be sacrificed to preserve 'our way of life' ."

Not willing to risk one hair on your head(or back) to preserve "our way of life," yet you'll R
"RACK tyhe troops for fighting for our way of life!!!!"

If I die in a terrorist attack because the Constituion was more important than pussyism…
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and he thinks he's witty on top of it.
Nope. Just wittier than you.
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As posted before Bushnazi deleted the thread...
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Lets not make this thread about dinsdales infantile insults. Plenty of that on Main street. Please don't feed the idiots.
Why? 'Cuz you say so?

Admit it or not, Bushlouse, but Dins's well-read and well-storied insults make for high entertainment. 'Course, tolerance of such irreverencies is at the benevolence of the moderator, nicht wahr, Bushstaffel?

BTW, complete hoot watching you try to Gestapo this Board. You know, moving topics, deleting contentious posts, splitting threads...

The penultimate Fidelista of a banana republic.

Oh, sure, we're all very much aware of how badly you aspire to hold this Forum to a "higher standard". Why, I'll bet we're only a UN Resolution-or-seven from seeing this forum re-glossed "Utopia" or "Camelot". Even money sez you're one of those who thinks we can "negotiate" with terrorists.

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As for no smack in politics?! Holy cats, Bushmite, somnambulate through the last election much?! I could site you half-a-hundred examples of smack in American politics. The Alex Hamilton/Aaron Burr meltdown was the pinnacle of the ultimate call-out thread.

Like it or not, Loser, but your quaint li'l Forum is the spawn of a Smack Board.

Clearly, the good docs must've have pulled your feeding tube. Get over yourself, Buschiavo.
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Truman wrote:In order:
BSmack wrote:
Oh this is fucking rich. Did I or did I not tell you that recruiting efforts do not count?


No, but high school elective courses do. The kids that choose to participate in this program are under no obligation to serve in the military.
The military should be paying ALL the expenses associated with JROTC, not pawning off half the load on the school district.
Seriously, B, what the hell difference does it make? Public school dollars ultimately all come outta the same black hole – our wallets.
Perhaps you're not familiar with the inequities of public school funding?

No wonder you're a fan of "New Federalism". :meds:
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The feds should pull every nickel of funding to SF public schools. The saved money could be used to open a federally funded military prep school right in SF. Wouldn't that just piss in the wheaties of all the hippies.
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BSmack wrote:
Truman wrote:
BSmack wrote:
Oh this is fucking rich. Did I or did I not tell you that recruiting efforts do not count?


No, but high school elective courses do. The kids that choose to participate in this program are under no obligation to serve in the military.
The military should be paying ALL the expenses associated with JROTC, not pawning off half the load on the school district.
Seriously, B, what the hell difference does it make? Public school dollars ultimately all come outta the same black hole – our wallets.
Perhaps you're not familiar with the inequities of public school funding?

No wonder you're a fan of "New Federalism". :meds:
So you advocate equal funding of ALL public schools?

Sounds like you're a fan of "Old Communism". :meds:
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smackaholic wrote:The feds should pull every nickel of funding to SF public schools. The saved money could be used to open a federally funded military prep school right in SF. Wouldn't that just piss in the wheaties of all the hippies.
San Francisco just crapped all over itself with the 2016 Olympics bid, tried to get the 49ers owners to build them a new stadium so they could host the games despite the fact they have zero infrastructure to support such a venture, then they proceeded to blame the 49ers for ruining their bid when the niners pulled out of the stadium there. You don't really think building a prep school will bunch up their panties too much, do you? They'll probably support it whole heartedly because they don't have to pay for it.
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Truman wrote:So you advocate equal funding of ALL public schools?

Sounds like you're a fan of "Old Communism". :meds:
"Conservatives" get all mushy about "equality of opportunity". But when it comes to the nuts and bolts of actually providing that opportunity, you call those in favor of equal funding Communists.

You owe me an irony meter.
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