Rack Jimmy Carter

[Cuda]

iran had more immediate problems and they had been looking for a way out of the hostage crisis.

What, was Khomeni buttfucked into a coma by a herd of reindeer or something?

[warren]

Dubya, fuckwit though he is, has stomped the raw fuck out of them from Afghanistan to Yemen to Iraq.

Well he's made the decisions. The people in the military have done the stomping. I think Dinsdale's point is that the "stomping" has come at great cost, whereas Clinton's guided missiles and aerial bombardment didn't cost as much and more or less accomplished the same thing ..... dead muslims.

You call destroying an aspirin factory and a couple of clay huts accomplishing the same thing as overthrowing the Taliban and Sadaam?

Call a surgeon immediately and see if he can remove that head from your ass.

I'm no absolute Bush supporter by any means but your' boy bubba didn't have the nuts to put boots on the ground or to take osama into custody so shut the fuck up already.

[Cuda]

Dubya, fuckwit though he is, has stomped the raw fuck out of them from Afghanistan to Yemen to Iraq.

Well he's made the decisions. The people in the military have done the stomping. I think Dinsdale's point is that the "stomping" has come at great cost, whereas Clinton's guided missiles and aerial bombardment didn't cost as much and more or less accomplished the same thing ..... dead muslims.

The point is that you are a fucking moron if you think Clinton's cruise missile strike did anything at all to AQ.

Their janitor got killed!

Who they gonna get to sweep up the cave now?

[Tom In VA]

Dubya, fuckwit though he is, has stomped the raw fuck out of them from Afghanistan to Yemen to Iraq.

Well he's made the decisions. The people in the military have done the stomping. I think Dinsdale's point is that the "stomping" has come at great cost, whereas Clinton's guided missiles and aerial bombardment didn't cost as much and more or less accomplished the same thing ..... dead muslims.

You call destroying an aspirin factory and a couple of clay huts accomplishing the same thing as overthrowing the Taliban and Sadaam?

Call a surgeon immediately and see if he can remove that head from your ass.

I'm no absolute Bush supporter by any means but your' boy bubba didn't have the nuts to put boots on the ground or to take osama into custody so shut the fuck up already.

I believe Clinton took his decisions based on the same guiding factors that Dubya takes his ..... to uphold the oath of office and do what they believe is best for the U.S.

[Dinsdale]

Oh, that's right, I forgot. It's now a law that all political discussion must be phrased in terms of partisan hackery -- because the special interests make more money that way.


If Clinton fires a shot, it's "that tard just blew up an aspirin factory."

If W gets off ZERO shots at OBL, he's "tough on terrorism."

If W blows up the same aspirin factory, it's "a huge blow against AQ, since we just blew up one of their main training facilities."

You people are fucking funny.

[Bizzarofelice]

Partisan hackery has nothing to do with the very real, objective difference between the damage Clinton did and the damage that Dubya is doing to America.

still can't see just how much your GOP mancruch Dubya has fucked up. The guy has spent his whole life fucking up, only this time its on a national stage and "daddy's friends" can't bail him out.

All daddy's friends can do is keep spinning tards like you.

[PSUFAN]

His Daddy's friends are the ones pointing out his shortcomings - particularly James Baker.

[Bizzarofelice]

Is that supposed to refute the damage he's done to AQ?

He's had 5 years to do more than damage. Mullah Omar is cold kickin' it in Afghanitucky, UBL is looking forward to training more idiot camel jockeys and Bush is still sitting in his soiled diapers waiting for someone to bail him out.

Your boyfriend is a failure, and an albatross.

[Cuda]

His Daddy's friends are the ones pointing out his shortcomings - particularly James Baker.

You mean the 10 Wise Persons?

Good fucking Christ, if it weren't for their government pensions, 9 of them would be living in refrigerator cartons under a bridge. Not Baker, though. He'd always have a gig milking camel sperm for his Saudi masters to swill.

[PSUFAN]

True that.

[Cuda]

Which reminds me: Just who the fuck funded the Baker-Hamilton thingie?

Nobody, but nobody in Warshington- particularly that collection of assholes- does anything for free

[warren]

Oh, that's right, I forgot. It's now a law that all political discussion must be phrased in terms of partisan hackery -- because the special interests make more money that way.


If Clinton fires a shot, it's "that tard just blew up an aspirin factory."

If W gets off ZERO shots at OBL, he's "tough on terrorism."

If W blows up the same aspirin factory, it's "a huge blow against AQ, since we just blew up one of their main training facilities."

You people are fucking funny.

Bush's military action resulted in the removal of the Taliban as the leadership in Afghanistan, Sadaam is no longer the dictatorial force in Iraq, whatever the civil unrest has come out of it.

How can you compare the results of Clintons actions to those?

Please explain how they in any way shape or form comparable.

And then tell me what the fuck that has to political hackery, I clearly stated I am in no way a Bush supporter anymore.

This place is ripe with freaking morons.

[Dinsdale]

Yeah, I'm sure if Clinton came out and said "we're going to start plucking people off the streets, and we're going to send troops to Afghanistan, which I'm sure most of you can't point out on a map, becasue some AQ guys blew up a van in the basement of the WTC," I'm sure there would have been massive public support for that. :yeah,that'sarolleyes:

And remember, Bubba was all kinds of hot and bothered to invade Iraq -- the GOP controlled Congress wouldn't support him.


You either have to chalk that up to partisan hackey, or maybe...just maybe, changing times, and some pretty compelling reasons for the public to offer a much higher degree of support to watch troops come home in bags...

YA THINK?

But nah...just make it a partisan issue...it makes people sound all smart and patriotic and stuff.

[Cuda]

So why weren't there any congresspeople on it?

Maybe they wanted the conclusions without the responsibility?

[warren]

Yeah, I'm sure if Clinton came out and said "we're going to start plucking people off the streets, and we're going to send troops to Afghanistan, which I'm sure most of you can't point out on a map, becasue some AQ guys blew up a van in the basement of the WTC," I'm sure there would have been massive public support for that. :yeah,that'sarolleyes:

And remember, Bubba was all kinds of hot and bothered to invade Iraq -- the GOP controlled Congress wouldn't support him.


You either have to chalk that up to partisan hackey, or maybe...just maybe, changing times, and some pretty compelling reasons for the public to offer a much higher degree of support to watch troops come home in bags...

YA THINK?

But nah...just make it a partisan issue...it makes people sound all smart and patriotic and stuff.

Do you posses the intelligence to grasp the parameters of the origin of this discussion, are or you going harf on clintons twisted pecker all day? It has nothing to do with hypothetical situations, the point was that the dude stated that both military actions accomplished about the same thing.

Oh, and nobody got plucked off of any streets dumbass, you sign up and you take an oath and do your job. I did it and I didn't bitch about a thing and neither do these brave souls, they're proud of they're mission.

Set down the bong, put away the bleeding heart manifesto, and get a freaking clue.

I don't post much here anymore, however, I check it out from time to time, and your performance begs the read more post less ideology.

[LTS TRN 2]

Wakey wake, gentlemen...you are sleeping, a fretful dozing half-dream of some imaginary American Power extending its firm but fair magnanimous paw over the ragged and, really, primitive peoples of the world, as well as their natural resources.

Wrong. If you dare to wake up, you'll find an outdated, short-sighted blustering military contraption (think of Crassius clanking of into "Iraq" 2000 years ago--NOT to return) getting bogged down in the Mother of All Quagmires.

We have NOT in anyway damaged Al Qaeda. In fact, our catastrophic brutality visited upon the people of Iraq and Afghanistan has INCREASED Al Qaeda's membership tremendously.

We have NOT defeated the Taliban. These fanatics are about as defeated as Afghans were in EVERY previous attempt to invade and subjugate their nation.

At best we are left in the truly grotesque position of propping up a SHIITE government in Iraq.

And the Chimp has finally removed any doubt that he is the most incompetent and unqualified president in history (by a mile), as well as a venal criminal.

And it ALL comes back to our toxic relationship with Israel.

Anyone remember the "Lavon Affair"?

Here's an outline:

In July 1954 Egypt was plagued by a series of bomb outrages directed mainly against American and British property in Cairo and Alexandria. It was generally assumed that they were the work of the Moslem Brothers, then the most dangerous challenge to the still uncertain authority of Colonel (later President) Nasser and his two-year-old revolution. Nasser was negotiating with Britain over the evacuation of its giant military bases in the Suez Canal Zone, and, the Moslem Brothers, as zealous nationalists, were vigorously opposed to any Egyptian compromises.

It therefore came as a shock to world, and particularly Jewish opinion, when on 5 October the Egyptian Minister of the Interior, Zakaria Muhieddin, announced the break-up of a thirteen-man Israeli sabotage network. An 'anti-Semitic' frame-up was suspected.

Indignation increased when, on 11 December, the group was brought to trial. In the Israeli parliament, Prime Minister Moshe Sharett denounced the 'wicked plot hatched in Alexandria ... the show trial which is being organized there against a group of Jews who have fallen victims to false accusations and from who mit seems attempts are being made to extract confessions of imaginary crimes, by threats and torture . . .'49 The trade union newspaper Davar observed that the Egyptian regime 'seems to take its inspiration from the Nazis' and lamented the 'deterioration in the status of Egyptian Jews in general'.50 For Haaretz the trial 'proved that the Egyptian rulers do not hesitate to invent the most fantastic accusations if it suits them'; it added that 'in the present state of affairs in Egypt the junta certainly needs some diversions'.51 And the next day the .7erusalem Post carried this headline: 'Egypt Show Trial Arouses Israel, Sharett Tells House. Sees Inquisition Practices Revived.'

The trial established that the bombings had indeed been carried out by an Israeli espionage and terrorist network. This was headed by Colonel Avraharn Dar --alias John Darling-- and a core of professionals who had set themselves up in Egypt under various guises. They had recruited a number of Egyptian Jews; one of them was a young woman, Marcelle Ninio, who worked in the offices of a British company. Naturally, the eventual exposure of such an organization was not going to improve the lot of the vast majority of Egyptian Jews who wanted no-thing to do with Zionism. There were still at least 50,000 Jews in Egypt; there had been something over 60,000 in 1947, more than half of whom were actually foreign nationals. During the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948, the populace had some times vented its frustration against them, and some were killed in mob violence or by terrorist bombs. In spite of this, and of the revolutionary upheaval which followed four years later, few Jews-including the foreign nationals-left the country, and fewer still went to Israel. A Jewish journalist insisted: 'We, Egyptian Jews, feel secure in our homeland, Egypt.'52

The welfare of Oriental Jewry in their various homelands was, as we have seen, Israel's last concern. And in July 1954 it had other worries. It was feeling isolated and insecure. Its Western friends-let alone the rest of the world-were unhappy about its aggressive behaviour. The US Assistant Secretary of State advised it to 'drop the attitude of the conqueror'.53 More alarming was the rapprochement under way between Egypt, on the one hand, and the United States and Britain on the other. President Eisenhower had urged Britain to give up her giant military base in the Suez Canal Zone; Bengurion had failed to dissuade her. It was to sabotage this rapprochement that the head of Israeli intelligence, Colonel Benyamin Givli, ordered his Egyptian intelligence ring to strike.

Givli's boss, Defence Minister Pinhas Lavon, and the Prime Minister, Moshe Sharett, knew nothing of the operation. For Givli was a member of a powerful Defence Ministry clique which often acted independently, or in outright defiance, of the cabinet. They were proteges of Bengurion and, although 'The Old Man' had left the Premiership for Sde Boker, his Negev desert retreat, a few months before, he was able, through them, to perpetuate the hardline 'activist' policies in which he believed. On Givli's instructions, the Egyptian network was to plant bombs in American and British cultural centres, British-owned cinemas and Egyptian public buildings. The Western powers, it was hoped, would conclude that there was fierce internal opposition to the rapprochement and that Nasser's young r6gime,faced with this challenge, was not one in which they could place much confidence.54 Mysterious violence might therefore persuade both London and Washington that British troops should remain astride the Canal; the world had not forgotten Black Saturday, 28 January 1951, in the last year of King Farouk's reign, when mobs rampaged through downtown Cairo, setting fire to foreign-owned hotels and shops, in which scores of people, including thirteen Britons, died.

The first bomb went off, on 2 July, in the Alexandria post office. On 11 July, the Anglo-Egyptian Suez negotiations, which had been blocked for nine months, got under way again. The next day the Israeli embassy in London was assured that, up on the British evacuation from Suez, stock-piled arms would not be handed over to the Egyptians. But the Defence Ministry activists were unconvinced. On 14 July their agents, in clandestine radio contact with Tel Aviv, fire-bombed US Information Service libraries in Cairo and Alexandria. That same day, a phosphorous bomb exploded prematurely in the pocket of one Philip Natanson, nearly burning him alive, as he was about to enter the British-owned Rio cinema in Alexandria. His arrest and subsequent confession led to the break-up of the whole ring-but not before the completion of another cycle of clandestine action and diplomatic failure. On 15 July President Eisenhower assured the Egyptians that 'simultaneously' with the signing of a Suez agreement the United States would enter into 'firm commitments' for economic aid to strengthen their armed forces.55 On 23 July --anniversary of the 1952 revolution-- the Israeli agents still at large had a final fling; they started fires in two Cairo cinemas, in the central post office and the railway station. On the same day, Britain announced that the War Secretary, Antony Head, was going to Cairo. And on 27 July he and the Egyptians initiated the 'Heads of Agreement' on the terms of Britain's evacuation.

The trial lasted from 11 December to 3 January. Not all the culprits were there, because Colonel Dar and an Israeli colleague managed to escape, and the third Israeli, Hungarian-born Max Bennett, committed suicide; but those who were present all pleaded guilty. Most of them, including Marcelle Ninio, were sentenced to various terms of imprisonment. But Dr Musa Lieto Marzuk, a Tunisian-born citizen of France who was a surgeon at the Jewish Hospital in Cairo, and Samuel Azar, an engineering professor from Alexandria, were condemned to death. In spite of representations from France, Britain and the United States the two men were hanged. Politically, it would have been very difficult for Nasser to spare them, for only seven weeks before six Moslem Brothers had been executed for complicity in an attempt on his life. Nevertheless Israel reacted with grief and anger. So did some Western Jews. Marzuk and Azar 'died the death of martyrs', said Sharett on the same day in the Knesset, whose members stood in silent tribute. Israel went into official mourning the following day. Beersheba and Ramat Gan named streets after the executed men. Israeli delegates to the Egyptian-Israeli Mixed Armistice Commission refused to attend its meeting, declaring that they would not sit down with representatives of the Cairo junta. In New York there were bomb threats against the Egyptian consulate and a sniper fired four shots into its fourth-floor window.56

This whole episode, which was to poison Israeli political life for a decade and more, came to be known as the 'Lavon Affair', for it had been established in the Cairo trial that Lavon, as Minister of Defence, had approved the campaign of sabotage. At least so the available evidence made it appear. But in Israel, Lavon had asked Moshe Sharett for a secret inquiry into a matter about which the cabinet knew nothing. Benyamin Givli, the intelligence chief, claimed that the so-called 'security operation' had been authorized by Lavon himself. Two other Bengurion proteges, Moshe Dayan and Shimon Peres, testified against Lavon. Lavon denounced Givli's papers as forgeries and demanded the resignation of all three men. Instead, Sharett ordered Lavon himself to resign and invited Bengurion to come out of retirement and take over the Defence Ministry. It was a triumphant comeback for the 'activist' philosophy whose excesses both Sharett and Lavon had tried to modify. It was con-summated, a week later, by an unprovoked raid on Gaza, which left thirty-nine Egyptians dead and led to the Suez War Of 1956.57

When the truth about the Lavon Affair came to light, six years after the event, it confirmed that there had been a frame-up-not, however, by the Egyptians, but by Bengurion and his young proteges. Exposure was fortuitous. Giving evidence in a forgery trial in September 1960, a witness divulged on passant that he had seen the faked signature of Lavon on a document relating to a 1954 'security mishap'.58 Bengurion immediately announced that the three-year statute of limitations prohibited the opening of the case. But Lavon, now head of the powerful Histradut Trade Union Federation, seized upon this opportunity to demand an inquiry. Bengurion did everything in his power to stop it, but his cabinet overruled him. The investigation revealed that the security operation' had been planned behind Lavon's back. His signature had been forged, and the bombing had actually begun long before his approval --which he withheld-- had been sought. He was a scapegoat pure and simple. On Christmas Day 1960,the Israeli cabinet unanimously exonerated him of all guilt in the 'disastrous security adventure in Egypt'; the Attorney General had, in the meantime, found 'conclusive evidence of forgeries as well as false testimony in an earlier inquiry'.59 Bengurion was enraged. He issued an ultimatum to the ruling Labour party to remove Lavon, stormed out of a cabinet meeting and resigned. In what one trade unionist described as 'an immoral and unjust submission to dictatorship', his diehard supporters in the Histradut swung the vote in favour i)f accepting Lavon's resignation. Lavon, however, won a moral victory over the man who twice forced him from office. In the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, students demonstrated in his favour. They carried placards reading: 'Bengurion Go to Sde Boker, Take Dayan and Peres with You. We do Not Accept Leaders with Elastic Consciences.'60 The affair rocked the ruling establishment, split public opinion, forced new elections and contributed largely to Bengurion's eventual disappearance from public life.

But Lavon was not the only real victim. There were also those misguided Egyptian Jews who paid with their lives or long terms of imprisonment. It is true that when, in 1968, Marcelle Ninio and her colleagues were exchanged for Egyptian' prisoners in Israel, they received a heroes' welcome. True, too, that when Miss Ninio got married Prime Minister Golda Meir, Defence Minister Dayan and Chief of Staff General Bar Lev all attended the wedding and Dayan told the bride 'the Six-Day War was success enough that it led to your freedom'.61 However, after spending fourteen years in an Egyptian prison, the former terrorists did not share the leadership's enthusiasm. When Ninio and two of her colleagues appeared on Israel television a few years later, they all expressed the belief that the reason why they were not released earlier was because Israel made little effort to get them out. 'Maybe they didn't want us to come back,' said Robert Dassa. 'There was so much intrigue in Israel. We were instruments in the hands of the Egyptians and of others ... and what is more painful after all that we went through is that this continues to be so.' In Ninio's opinion, 'the government didn't want to spoil its relations with the United States and didn't want the embarrassment of admitting it was behind our action'.62

But the real victims were the great mass of Egyptian Jewry. Episodes like the Lavon Affair tended to identify them, in the mind of ordinary Egyptians, with the Zionist movement. When, in 1956, Israeli invaded and occupied Sinai, feeling ran high against them. The government, playing into the Zionist hands, began ordering Jews to leave the country. Belatedly, reluctantly, 21,000 left in the following year; more were expelled later, and others, their livelihood gone, had nothing to stay for. But precious few went to Israel.


And this is only ONE example of the essential duplicity and murderous moral vacuity which attends Israel--and other similar race-state experiments in the past.

[Dinsdale]

Oh, and nobody got plucked off of any streets dumbass

Really?

Sin,
Brandon Mayfield

[Dinsdale]

Yes, I'd say having his property searched without warrant(fuck that whole "Bill of Rights" thing), and being detained with no probable cause is an "injustice"...and guess what...the courts and the Constituiton agree with me.

You are, beyond any shadow of doubt, wrong on this matter.

[Dinsdale]

Uhm...hello?

I wasn't "guessing."

I was stating "fact."

They don't hand out 2 mil in "injustice" money when there wasn't injustice.

Not open to debate, except for by mentally retarded people...who would be doing a better job than you are at present-btw.

[Tom In VA]

Christ I don't think guys who've spent time on death row only to be exhonerated and set free get that much, or do they ?

[Mikey]

Oh yeah? The LA city council just awarded 2.7 million dollars to a fireman who was fed dog food as a station house prank and then claimed it was racism.

They tried to, anyway.


Now there's a serious lookin' group of black community leaders...






I wonder if they're all really saying "cheese"...

[Bizzarofelice]

goddamned african american groupthink needs to change. turn your attention away from perceived racism and towards your shitty parenting. maybe in the future the black kid might amount to something other than a government tax money squanderer.

[Dinsdale]

1. His property was NOT searched without a warrant.

Guess again. The family noticed irregularities in their home(stuff moved and whatnot) BEFORE the original dates of any warrants, material witness or otherwise. There was a breakin at his law office predating the warrants, as well.

Nice try, though.

[Dinsdale]

Uhm...no, they weren't.

HENCE THE SUCCESSFUL LAWSUIT.

Not sure which part of that you weren't understanding?

Plus, the fingerprints were never verified, and the Spanish authorities even said they were "conclusively negative."

The government has a legal obligation to diligence and accuracy in material witness warrants, and according to ALL expert testimony, the fingerprint analysis performance was "imcompetent."

Therefore NOTHING stemming from that info was "probable cause."

From here on out, I'll just point to the scoreboard, which reads: Mayfield 2,000,000 -- mvscal 0.


And they looked through his home and office BEFORE any warrants were issued...they just weren't stupid enough to sieze any property before that.

[Cuda]

Whoopdee motherfucking doo.

I believe the phrase the cool kids are using these days is "Spankety-Doink", although dropping a "motherfucking" in the middle would probably not be frowned on

[warren]

Is that supposed to refute the damage he's done to AQ?

He's had 5 years to do more than damage. Mullah Omar is cold kickin' it in Afghanitucky, UBL is looking forward to training more idiot camel jockeys and Bush is still sitting in his soiled diapers waiting for someone to bail him out.

Your boyfriend is a failure, and an albatross.

You pukes are the one's who turn this discussion into political hackery. As an American citizen of course I'm dissappointed that bin laden ain't bin dyin'. However, I find it incredulous for you morons to understate what the Military has accomplished under a Bush directive. How many time's do we have to state that there is much disappointment in some of Bush's actions.

I fully believe they fucked up in their assesment of a post sadaam Iraq, but your' loverboy clinton did absolutely nothing to quell what was to be the oncoming attack on our nation. At the very least, Bush had the gnads to go pro-active on these animals.

I know you fancy yourself an intellectual but jeez bra, "soiled diapers" smack doesn't get it done. How about comparing and contrasting Clintons anti-terrorist actions to Bush's and then come back to class with your homework done.


This is to dinsdale, I have to come correct on the "yanking people off the streets" comment I made. I didn't read your' posting thorough enough, I thought you were making a loose reference to sending poor boys over to fight the war, not detaining suspects. For that I apologize, but you're still way off the mark on your analysis of the tragedy that befell some poor soul. Shit happens to the wrong people every day, even when clinton's in charge, believe it or not.

[Smackie Chan]

How about comparing and contrasting Clintons anti-terrorist actions to Bush's

To compare, neither of them told this god-awful joke:

After dying a grisly death in an Afghan cave, Osama bin Laden made his way to the pearly gates.
There, he was greeted by George Washington.

"How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yelled Washington, slapping Osama in the face.

Patrick Henry came up from behind. "You wanted to end America's liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punched Osama in the nose.

James Madison came next, and said, "This is why I allowed the government provide for the common defense!" He took a sledge hammer and whacked Osama's knees.

Osama was subjected to similar beatings from John Randolph, James Monroe, and 65 other people who had the same love for liberty and America. As he writhed on the ground, Thomas Jefferson hurled him back toward the gate where he was to be judged.

As Osama awaited his journey to his final very hot destination, he screamed, "This is not what I was promised!"

An angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?"

[warren]

How about comparing and contrasting Clintons anti-terrorist actions to Bush's

To compare, neither of them told this god-awful joke:

After dying a grisly death in an Afghan cave, Osama bin Laden made his way to the pearly gates.
There, he was greeted by George Washington.

"How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yelled Washington, slapping Osama in the face.

Patrick Henry came up from behind. "You wanted to end America's liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punched Osama in the nose.

James Madison came next, and said, "This is why I allowed the government provide for the common defense!" He took a sledge hammer and whacked Osama's knees.

Osama was subjected to similar beatings from John Randolph, James Monroe, and 65 other people who had the same love for liberty and America. As he writhed on the ground, Thomas Jefferson hurled him back toward the gate where he was to be judged.

As Osama awaited his journey to his final very hot destination, he screamed, "This is not what I was promised!"

An angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?"

Rackie the Smackie! I hadn't heard that one.

It will be told again.

[warren]

Oh, Smackie, just not by me.

[LTS TRN 2]

Of course the Justice Department fucked up AGAIN, and has to pay the attorney millions for its galling incompetence. And as much as the money is a drop in the bucket, the real loss is any remaining prestige or reputation of the U.S. Justice Department. Jose Padilla is now facing a seriously watered down charge of "consorting" with anti-American whatever. And he's probably innocent of that.

But let's get back to the real problem fucking up the geo-political situation these last 56 years:

Mach schnell, untermenchen!!


Ah, the morning commute in Palestine,

HALT scweinhund!!




Uh, it's a little slow today...it seems a ZioNazi army has locked down 3.5 million people, harrassing, imprisoning, and murdering them pretty much at will...



Work Will Make You Free




This is an "apartheid society"



With the Chimp and his demented minions falling like a rock down a well, the vile Nazi-like state he's supported co completely is also writhing and twisting in its own putrid race-state nightmare.

Wakey Wake

[Atomic Punk]

Good to see we are backing Israel to murder Palestinians. What a happy thought for the day! Thanks for the encouraging post LTard2.

[LTS TRN 2]

Any time I can stick it in yer dome is okay, A-punk. Meanwhile, can we assume you're among the 6% or so that still supports the Chimp? (He's a big fan of Israel, as you know)

[Atomic Punk]

No, not a fan of the Chimp. I'm not a fan of your non-stop search for arguments for your mid-term and final papers either. There is no way someone can be as fucking stupid as you when debating the Arab-Israeli conflict. Since that was my major at USC, I can say without a doubt you are like those Muslim student fucksticks that would blurt out rants in my classes. We (the calm students) all just looked at each other and :rolledeyes: while we actually MET some of the people you see on TV from the various factions in person. They were at least intelligent.

I'm sure by now, since you allegedly live in San Fran, you are well-aware of the closed door sessions with your college professors to earn that A.

Normally that's for young co-eds, but since you live in San Fransisco, your hack college professors consider your agape and awaiting maw, and reamed-out bloody ass as the reason they became professors. I guess I can understand why you are trolling the board for links, facts, and general knowledge to escape the physical abuse.

You will die of AIDS loooong before you graduate from San Fran CC. You are a piece of shit. Go pour kerosene over yourself and light yourself up. Don't forget to film it for us to laugh at.

[Screw_Michigan]

You will die of AIDS loooong before you graduate from San Fran CC. You are a piece of shit. Go pour kerosene over yourself and light yourself up. Don't forget to film it for us to laugh at.

RACK

[RadioFan]

How about comparing and contrasting Clintons anti-terrorist actions to Bush's

Yeah, because our military and intel folks on the ground just completely changed between administrations.

Dumbass.

Rack Smackie and AP. Unrack our resident dipshit, Carol.

[Smackie Chan]

There is no way someone can be as fucking stupid as you when debating the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Just curious, AP. What in particular do you disagree with regarding what LT2 is saying. Are you saying that there isn't an apartheid-like relaionship between Israeli Jews and Israeli Palestinians? Pretty much all I read from you when debating this issue is

Since that was my major at USC ...

, which really isn't a valid argument, especially considering you appear to have done so litttle with the degree. Not trying to start a smack war here; just curious as to the specific differences of opinion you have with LT2 on this subject.

My take, in a nutshell, on the subject is that if we as a nation aren't concerned with there ever being peace in the Middle East, but rather with the well-being of the Israeli state, we are pretty much doing what we should be doing, which is basically supporting Israel regardless of the actions they take. If peace in the Middle East is a goal of ours, we need to do what we can to encourage negotiations and convince Israel to grant Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza rights equal to those of Israeli Jews. Not saying that the terrorist actions in which Palestinians engage aren't deplorable. But at some point, if peace is the goal, both sides have to let bygones be bygones. If not, the issues will never be settled.

[Atomic Punk]

Smackie, I understand where you are coming from and I don't take your intelligent take as an insult in any way, shape, or form.

What I've learned by my 2nd semester Junior year is that this is pretty much a stalemate based on both sides' beliefs in who is really the real God. That is the root of this whole thing in a nutshell.

The Old Testament is pretty much a history book of the background of this mess. I'm not saying the Israeli's are right for what they are doing, but when you have a belief of hate set to destroy them being well-funded, what can you do?

It was frustrating to go through all of those classes and not get the sense that until the real God shows up, this will never end. This is why we should NOT be there in the first place. I believe you can blame the British back in the 1940's for setting up the new Israel.

Those that you've seen on TV were rational and would be good at explaining their views and I remember one Palestinian woman pulling me to the side saying, "Mike I know you're going into the Navy. Please just don't get involved in this." Hannan Said was one of my teachers and she wasn't being a militant diipshit like LTard2, she was really concerned about the US getting involved in a war that can't be won.

[Mr. Belvedere]

As long as the Israelis kill as many of those Gehena-bound scumbags as possible, the better I'll sleep.

Also, I hope their 2 diesel subs are patrolling in the Gulf right now ready to launch nukes on Tehran if that psycho feels froggy.

I hate Islam and all of its shitbags equally. None of you are worthy of life. You are fuckin' parasites and the dregs of mankind. Your fate has been written and I can't wait for your 2nd death which is eternal.

Good times to follow!

how christian of you.

[Atomic Punk]

Your opinion means squat because?

Please do elaborate. Don't forget to sign out and in using another shit troll or 5 you tiresome lot.

Go on...

[LTS TRN 2]

A-punk, consider yourself pounded like the proverdial tent-peg.

Your "major"?

The "Old Testament"?

You're not even fake.