To Catch a Predator

[Dinsdale]

I'm guessing some of you sickos watch this shit...since it's one of the highest rated shows on TV, even without Peter Boyle in it.

And wow...on some local boards, Perverted Justice, the website behind the show, is taking some serious heat.

And it sounds like it's well deserved. I didn't realize the people responsible for PJ are every bit as sick as the people they stalk investigate.

Now realize, these are Beaverton people, my local homies. People around here know the PJ people. And what a bunch of irresponsible liars they are.

It's been speculated that the majority of the people they've persecuted are completely innocent, and merely had their e-mail addy/IM login spoofed. Until recently, PJ made no attempt to verify who was actually on the other end of the chat before they set about contacting their employers, families, and did everything they could to ruin their lives. It's also been speculated that the reason they made a deal to get over $100K per episode(which PJ outright lies and says they don't get) was to pay off a bunch of lawsuits settlements with "mum" agreements.


And now on a local board, someone has threatened to post Xavier Von Erk's home adress....which would be a great example of "turnabout is fair play."

When these people first started doing their thing with the local news crews, before the national media days, I thought they were doing a good thing(first dude they busted on camera was a Portland cop(sup Luth), who turned in his resignation the next day). But now that more information about these scum keeps coming to light, I await the day when they get what's coming to them. Rumor also has it these folks have stretched the truth to slander some people who were nothing more than political opponents.

I guess no matter how worthy the cause, in the end, police work should be performed by...police.

[Mikey]

Never heard of it.

Seriously. Should I have?

[Dinsdale]

Never heard of it.

Seriously. Should I have?

I though you guys were the all-knowing, all-being on TV shows...not me.

I guess "To Catch a Predator" is the highest rated show on Friday nights.


I gauranfuckingtee you some of the sick fucks here watch it....to learn how not to be caught.

[Mister Bushice]

No, we only watch shows with Frank Barone in it.

If it's the highest rated show on friday night then it's only pulling in the elderly and pre-drivers license teenager demographic.

outside of wolfman on the one end and dr phibes on the other no one else here fits that demo.

Are you gonna be on an upcoming episode or something?

[Britney's Discharge]

And wow...on some local boards

How could you post this without a link?

[Milner]

shit, frickin' never heard of it, if they tell you how to keep from gettin' fickin' traffic citations, I might take a frickin' look, got a frickin' glove box full of those shittin' tickets, shit.

[Luther]

A Portland cop, busted and then resigned? News to me. I wasn't even aware they were from Beaverton.

Rip City

[Dinsdale]

How could you post this without a link?

Why, so you get get run under a primary nic, and then smack from behind a troll?

[Mister Bushice]

How could you post this without a link?

Why, so you get get run under a primary nic, and then smack from behind a troll?

like the cowards behind the reindeer nics?

[Dinsdale]

A Portland cop, busted and then resigned? News to me. I wasn't even aware they were from Beaverton.

Rip City

Understandable -- the Pony Express isn't the news outlet it was back in your day.


Before they did it on a national scale, they teamed up with that atrocious local Fox news. The Portland cop guy was their very fist "mark," if I remember correctly.

Good cause, horrible people trying to promote it.

[Britney's Discharge]

Why, so you get get run under a primary nic, and then smack from behind a troll?

Damnit, this isn't just a troll, this is a SHIT TROLL. And don't you forget it, buster.

[Cupid]

like the cowards behind the reindeer nics?

You know that you're the only one that can see us, right? If you keep typing that shit people will start to think you're quite mad.

[Tom In VA]

How could you post this without a link?

Why, so you get get run under a primary nic, and then smack from behind a troll?

like the cowards behind the reindeer nics?

Reindeer nics ? What reindeer nics ?

[Dinsdale]

like the cowards behind the reindeer nics?

Well, it's kind of like that, only completely opposite.

Here, I'll explain it, since you're a fucking idiot -- the Reindeer are what's known as "character trolls." See, they post on a specific topic(Christmas), at an appropriate time of year(December).

And now that we've established that...unless you care to cite one reindeer post that wasn't in character...would you care to explain how someone posting with a "Bitney's Discharge" troll somehow falls into this category?

Moron.

Dude, just because you thought you were being witty and clever(and dear god, how you weren't), and this flawed thinking got you nothing but as big an IP-based asskicking as there ever was( not content with that, you still felt compelled to whine to the admins about it...goodness, what a douche you are)...this doesn't make you some authority on trolling.


Matter of fact, it makes you a trollbitch™.

[Mikey]

A Portland cop, busted and then resigned? News to me. I wasn't even aware they were from Beaverton.

Rip City

Understandable -- the Pony Express isn't the news outlet it was back in your day.


Before they did it on a national scale, they teamed up with that atrocious local Fox news. The Portland cop guy was their very fist "mark," if I remember correctly.

Good cause, horrible people trying to promote it.

OK I looked it up. So this is a show dedicated to identifying adults willing to have chat room sexual encounters with minors.

And you're a regular viewer.

How come I'm not surprised. Which side do you normally root for?

[Dinsdale]

OK I looked it up. So this is a show dedicated to identifying adults willing to have chat room sexual encounters with minors.

And you're a regular viewer.

How come I'm not surprised. Which side do you normally root for?

I don't think I've seen more than 30 seconds of it. It used to be a segment on the local news...not sure which part of that you didn't understand?

And I always root for actual justice...unlike the PJ people.


Oh, and should we mention that these "champions of protecting the children" have had minors engaging in sexually explicit dialog with adult...in the name of "catching a predator"? You know, since if they didn't, then no crime would have actually been comitted.

Think of it like the Shrubbers and Zyclones of the world taking shit off the boards and hacking people.


They demand that everyone but them be law-abiding citizens.

[Tom In VA]

like the cowards behind the reindeer nics?

Well, it's kind of like that, only completely opposite.

Here, I'll explain it, since you're a fucking idiot -- the Reindeer are what's known as "character trolls." See, they post on a specific topic(Christmas), at an appropriate time of year(December).

All kidding aside, Luther sent me rules back on TNW, "character trolls" are okay ... I don't have the rule book .... as long as they don't use "spreadsheet info" on said target. So we might need a ruling on the Reindeer conduct this year. Of course, those were the TNW rules and such so i don't know.

I know I post with one nic, and, think to myself .... "Would I say this to the dudes face" Before I hit submit. Usually, mostly, the answer is YES.

That's how I roll and I think most posters are like that.

Does it make one "cowardly" to hide behind troll nics ? I guess that answer has to come "from the man in the mirror".


Lighten up on Bushice, he's a good cat and so are you. This board is big enough for us all.

[Mister Bushice]

like the cowards behind the reindeer nics?

Well, it's kind of like that, only completely opposite.

Here, I'll explain it, since you're a fucking idiot -- the Reindeer are what's known as "character trolls." See, they post on a specific topic(Christmas), at an appropriate time of year(December).

Oh, you mean like all the crap they dumped on AP? Yeah that was all "Christmas related" :rolleyes:

Not that some of it wasn't funny, but hiding behind a reindeer nic so that the reindeer troll knows everything about the person they're attacking and the intended target has nothing to smack back with because the reindeer troll is too skeered to do it under his own nic is the point I was making. It would have been funnier if the actual posters ran the same smack at AP, because then he would have at least known who it was, and he could have smacked back. How many dead deer references can anyone make? On the other hand, Shots at Cuda, Biggie, EM rozy, you, PrimeX, etc. provides a hell of a lot more material to work with than just deer meat.

But I don't expect you to get that, seeing as how you were running one of the deer and are now defending them. Big fucking shock there.

[Dinsdale]

Lighten up on Bushice, he's a good cat

The only relationship I have, and the only relationship I will ever have wish Bushice is here on this board, which primarily serves as a vehicle for humor, or to question each other's sexual orientation.


So, keeping that in mind...no, Bushice clearly isn't a "good cat." He's a fucking douche, who wouldn't know funny if it was wrapped around Peter Boyle's dick.

[Dinsdale]

OK, here's where your argument is fatally flawed Bushleague -- in that post, you made reference to what is and isn't funny. Of all the people here, you're certainly amongst the least qualified to offer up any judgements to that æffect.

Hence the hoofprints up your backside.

But I don't expect you to get that, seeing as how you were running one of the deer and are now defending them. Big fucking shock there.

Dude, what next? You gonna post pics of your wandering eye?

[Mister Bushice]

like the cowards behind the reindeer nics?

Well, it's kind of like that, only completely opposite.

Here, I'll explain it, since you're a fucking idiot -- the Reindeer are what's known as "character trolls." See, they post on a specific topic(Christmas), at an appropriate time of year(December).

I know I post with one nic, and, think to myself .... "Would I say this to the dudes face" Before I hit submit. Usually, mostly, the answer is YES.

That's how I roll and I think most posters are like that.

Most, except for the smackbat group, apparently. They took a concept and went too far with it.

Does it make one "cowardly" to hide behind troll nics ? I guess that answer has to come "from the man in the mirror".


Lighten up on Bushice, he's a good cat and so are you. This board is big enough for us all.

Just my opinion that it's a bitch move to run personal shit on someone from behind a troll nic. They need to man up and step out, or stay in character and stay away from the personal shit. I didn't give a shit if that pm I sent got posted, I figured it would be before I sent it, but the fact that they DID post it was a cowardly bitch move that they would NEVER do under their own nic, nor will whoever did it man up and admit it.

Nothing against Dins. I enjoy reading his stuff, and butting heads now and then, but seems to me it was this kind of shit trolling that this board was set up to get away from.

[Dinsdale]

Bushice -- you really don't get it.


How about analogoes and stuff. Try this one: "If a tard posts in the forest, does it still annoy those with brains?"

You're really not catching the conceot that you're not in any position to judge which posts are good or funny....you'll have to make at least one of your own before you could ever hope for that status.

Is that dim bulb lighting up yet?

[Tom In VA]

Nothing against Dins. I enjoy reading his stuff, and butting heads now and then, but seems to me it was this kind of shit trolling that this board was a set up

FTFY

[Ingse Bodil]

It's been speculated that the majority of the people they've persecuted are completely innocent, and merely had their e-mail addy/IM login spoofed.

by whom? i think there's more here.

[Derron]

Aside from the hijack here.....

Seems to me that the only people getting busted were the dudes coming to these houses with their cocks in their hand ready to fuck on some 13 year old girl or boy.

Now even chatting with those kids on the net is sick shit...role playing, jerk materials, crank shots...blah blah blah...but...

When the perv's take that extra step and set up the meet, and drive there with a throbbing hard on because they thunks they
are about to drop the dick on some underage kid... and then get their asses handed to them by a news reporter, and then get fucking slammed to the ground by O' Malley and hauled away..works for me. Fucking perv's....

Memo to perv's: jerk to porn sites... skip the MySpace chat rooms and AOL teen rooms, you just might be jerking to a cop.

[Ingse Bodil]

Mister Bushice wrote:
Just my opinion that it's a bitch move to run personal shit on someone from behind a troll nic.


I agree... which unfortunately will dissolve your point in the eyes of the board. But I do agree with you.

[Mister Bushice]

You're really not catching the conceot that you're not in any position to judge which posts are good or funny..

And you're not really catching on to the conceot that hiding behind troll nics to run personal shit on posters is a bitch move.

Has nothing to do with what is or is not funny.

[Derron]

It's been speculated that the majority of the people they've persecuted are completely innocent, and merely had their e-mail addy/IM login spoofed.

by whom? i think there's more here.

Shut the fuck up Risa...and stay out of threads you have a vested interest in.

[Ingse Bodil]

Memo to perv's: jerk to porn sites... skip the MySpace chat rooms and AOL teen rooms, you just might be jerking to a cop.

they don't care, though. do they want to get caught? or is it so easy, after all. and there are so many kids who are encouraging the pervs behavior because the pervs are buying them wishlist type things. the pervs don't think they're doing anything wrong.

why are there so many who are down with the kiddie sex in the first place? spoofed or not, somebody is behind the spoofing. somebody is behind the child molesting. it's as frightening that so many are caught, as the fact that obviously there are more to catch. something is wrong in america, that so many are trying to fuck kids.

what should be done to these people? and how can it be assured that the proper people are caught, and not the innocent (or the mislead .. ie, she said she was 21, but she was really 9).

[Ingse Bodil]

It's been speculated that the majority of the people they've persecuted are completely innocent, and merely had their e-mail addy/IM login spoofed.

by whom? i think there's more here.

Shut the fuck up Risa...and stay out of threads you have a vested interest in.

I don't think anyone should be sexually abusing kids, or seeking to sexually abuse kids. But I also think there should be vigilance in protecting adults who are innocent of being charged with such a heinous crime, as well.

Sloppy detective work doesn't save kids. Putting people away just to say you've put people away is not justice. That's the kind of thing that makes the war on drugs such a joke; you've got cowboys who are only concerned with racking up kills instead of justice, so that the cowboys are less law abiding than the (often innocent) people they net.

The focus should always be on saving kids and taking predators off the street, with shows like this. If this show is abandoning that for the sake of ratings and stats, they're worse than the predators, because they allow real predators to continue to roam free to hurt kids.

[Mikey]

I guess you could claim that your dong was spoofed, but you probably wouldn't get to far with that.

[Dinsdale]

Seems to me that the only people getting busted were the dudes coming to these houses with their cocks in their hand ready to fuck on some 13 year old girl or boy.

And that's where you're wrong. Their detractors claim the majority of PJ's "victims" are innocent. Read that over again...the MAJORITY of the people PJ has persecuted have done nothing wrong. That doesn't stop PJ from calling their employer and telling them their employee is a pedophile, and telling the employer that they're organizing a boycott of their company until the (likely innocent) employee is fired.

"Perverted justice," indeed.

Where do we draw the line here?

It's only after the PJ watchdog groups create a public outcry that PJ alters their horribly flawed policies. And PJ has used their website and political pull to make false accusations against those that take issue with their policies(like their public smear campaigns against innocent people).

I've followed the PJ folks since PJ's inception...what with them being Beaverton folks, and all. I'm now bummed that I once supported these vigilantes who use the suffering of others to pad their bank account while promoting themselves at the expense of innocent people.


Oh and btw-Derron, supporting law enforcement performed by vigilante groups without proper oversight is very liberal of you...it's got to hurt when you speak out against a political viewpoint, when you don't actually know what it is.

[Mister Bushice]

I believe he is talking about their website not the show.

Isn't that a dateline MSNBC show? I don't think they have their own website, they're just a page on msnbc.

Unless there's another show like it it there. I'm really not much of a TV Watcher except for football and movies. I've only seen a part of one of the Dateline show with some outtakes of them catching a priest who was trying to meet up with a kid in what he thought was the kids house, and then some fat guy who actually took off his clothes in the kitchen while waiting for his kid target to come out. Didn't spot anything like email spoofing on the msnbc site.

[Dinsdale]

You can't very well claim that your email addy has been spoofed when you show up at a house with your dong in your hand looking for a 10 year old.

That's kind of been an addition after yet another of their horribly flawed policies was brought to light.

[Mister Bushice]

Seems to me that the only people getting busted were the dudes coming to these houses with their cocks in their hand ready to fuck on some 13 year old girl or boy.

And that's where you're wrong. Their detractors claim the majority of PJ's "victims" are innocent. Read that over again...the MAJORITY of the people PJ has persecuted have done nothing wrong. That doesn't stop PJ from calling their employer and telling them their employee is a pedophile, and telling the employer that they're organizing a boycott of their company until the (likely innocent) employee is fired.

"Perverted justice," indeed.

Where do we draw the line here?

It's only after the PJ watchdog groups create a public outcry that PJ alters their horribly flawed policies. And PJ has used their website and political pull to make false accusations against those that take issue with their policies(like their public smear campaigns against innocent people).

I've followed the PJ folks since PJ's inception...what with them being Beaverton folks, and all. I'm now bummed that I once supported these vigilantes who use the suffering of others to pad their bank account while promoting themselves at the expense of innocent people.


Oh and btw-Derron, supporting law enforcement performed by vigilante groups without proper oversight is very liberal of you...it's got to hurt when you speak out against a political viewpoint, when you don't actually know what it is.

IS this what you were talking about?

http://www.radaronline.com/features/200 ... ellows.php

[Dinsdale]

I believe he is talking about their website not the show.

Isn't that a dateline MSNBC show? I don't think they have their own website, they're just a page on msnbc.

Oh, dear.

Gee, ya'think Dateline hooked up with those guys because they were becoming notorious on the local front...like I mentioned earlier?


Dumbass.


Oh, and apparently there's something of a civil war going on among the NBC news department, since most of them are opposed to showing this tripe as "journalism."


Again...honorable cause, extremely dishonorable people taking up the cause.

[Ingse Bodil]

Seems to me that the only people getting busted were the dudes coming to these houses with their cocks in their hand ready to fuck on some 13 year old girl or boy.

And that's where you're wrong. Their detractors claim the majority of PJ's "victims" are innocent. Read that over again...the MAJORITY of the people PJ has persecuted have done nothing wrong. That doesn't stop PJ from calling their employer and telling them their employee is a pedophile, and telling the employer that they're organizing a boycott of their company until the (likely innocent) employee is fired.

I've never watched the show. Is it all about people who are (as put above) show up at a house with their dong in hand to fuck a 12 year old? or is it people who are cybersexing someone claiming to be underaged, with no intent of follow up on the fantasizing perv's part?

I just went to the site, and at the upper right hand corner is a section called 'guys like these', with a whole bunch of males -- the majority white, but also an understandable representation of blacks, asians and folks who could possibly be mexican -- but no females.

Are these the persons you speak of, of being innocent?

If all they're going on is by the chat logs that are at the site, which people can vote on for slime content,

http://www.perverted-justice.com/?archi ... aime_wolfe

fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (1:43:10 PM): But, you are 13... (Again, he is definitely aware of her age.)
sadlilgrrl (1:43:18 PM): but if my own parents dont even love me, i dont really think anyone else will.
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (1:43:57 PM): Well, let me ask you this, if I were to offer you something, would you take it?
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (1:44:12 PM): I am looking for a younger submissive female to train... (There it is, folks. This chatlog only goes downhill from here.)
sadlilgrrl (1:44:23 PM): what does that mean?
fleet_captain_jaime_wolfe (1:44:37 PM): Well, she is a girl that allows another man to take control of her.

no matter how disgusting, then I don't see how they can get a conviction. There has to be more. Anybody can pretend to be anybody and to want anything on the web. How are they getting these people's personal information anyway? particularly if it's spoofed? Or is there proof that these people have been spoofed?

[Dasher]

Just my opinion that it's a bitch move to run personal shit on someone from behind a troll nic.

If it makes you feel any better, Douchice, I run you much more with my "primary" nick.

Merry fucking Christmas.

[Dinsdale]

Are these the persons you speak of, of being innocent?

I doubt it.

Things are done the way they are on the show because this vigilante group has taken so much well-deserved grief over the tears, they had to change thing to save face.

Keep in mind, these same people have fed lines to underaged girls and boys to promote a sexual dialogue...which violates laws in and of itself.

Some of the other people who have been "busted" were engaging in "trolljobs," looking for predators themselves -- but that doesn't stop PJ from trying to slander them and put another notch in their bedpost.


Maybe not quite as deplorable as child molesters, but still deplorable in their own right.

[Ingse Bodil]

Oh, and apparently there's something of a civil war going on among the NBC news department, since most of them are opposed to showing this tripe as "journalism."

If they really are getting monsters off the street, then that is good journalism. If in doing so they are alerting parents to what is out there, who is out there, and hopefully giving parents tools to protect their children from the predator -- as well as giving children tools to protect themselves from predators -- then that is good journalism.

Are they against it because it's shooting fish in a barrel (and thus boring, not exciting, tedius, will not lead to emmys and awards unless there are big fish caught in the net); or because the investigative work is sloppy?

Again...honorable cause, extremely dishonorable people taking up the cause.

If that's so, it's because honorable people in a position to do something aren't doing anything, correct?