The Fiesta Bowl

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:32 pm

Dins,

When I said Hawaii wasn't a very good team, I meant they aren't a VERY good team. I think they are a good team, just not a VERY good team. Just becasue they may have had their best year ever does not put them up there with top 10 talent teams. In any case, as I said before, they at least scheduled some traditional top 10 teams who any year can be great, most years are above average and every now and again are bad. Purdue and Alabama just happened to both be bad this year and Hawaii went 1-2 vs. good teams and teams that are traditionally good.

THAT is my reasons for saying Hawaii isn't a VERY good team. Not as in they aren't a very good team (insinuating they are a bad team).

Felix,

I've heard time and again that BSU has turned down many bigger name schools because BSU insists on doing a home and home. You have to earn that. You aren't going to get home and homes until you play quality opponents on a regular basis and win some of those games. Look at Gonzaga. They could not get quality home games, but a few good runs in the tourney and now they get quality home games. Works that way in football too (see Louisville you just referneced who brought Miami (FL) into their house this year).

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:40 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Purdue and Alabama just happened to both be bad this year . . .

Fwiw, Purdue won 8 games this year, although in fairness, their OOC schedule, other than ND and Hawaii, was the suck, and they also benefitted from an extremely favorable conference schedule (missed both Michigan and tOSU).

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:46 pm

Felix wrote:Okay, what the fuck does that have to do with the conversation about cream puffs.....or are you going to tell me that Northern Illinois is a powerhouse program.... and exactly what is the relevance of Louisville playing Miami in relation to talk of cream puffs ........

You've dropped more than five posts in this thread, yet you still don't know what the fuck is going on.

So far, it appears you understand that every team plays creampuffs. Good job. Nice to know you could figure out that one on your own.

The reason no one puts up a red flag to tOSU, Oklahoma, Michigan, or even Louisville (this year) is because they all schedule national championship-calibre teams. Boise State does not. Welcome to the conversation.

Again, enjoy the game. If BSU is competitive then you'll have a legitimate reason to post in here again.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:50 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:Purdue and Alabama just happened to both be bad this year . . .
Fwiw, Purdue won 8 games this year, although in fairness, their OOC schedule, other than ND and Hawaii, was the suck, and they also benefitted from an extremely favorable conference schedule (missed both Michigan and tOSU).

Purdue Wins:
Indiana St. (1-10...in 1-fucking-AA)
Miami (OH) (2-10)
Ball St. (5-7)
Minnesota (6-6)
Northwestern (4-8)
Michigan St. (4-8)
Illinois (2-10)
Indiana (5-7)

Combined record (29-66)

Purdue Losses:
Notre Dame (10-2...BCS Team)
Iowa (6-6...Bowl Team)
Wisconsin (11-1...should be in BCS)
Penn St. (8-4...Bowl Team)
Hawaii (11-3...won Bowl Game)

Combined Record (46-16)

I venture to say I could count the number of decent (not quality, but decent) wins Purdue had on Maria Sharipova's dick. That's 8 total shit wins. Purdue was a BAD team.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:11 pm

IndyFrisco wrote: I've heard time and again that BSU has turned down many bigger name schools because BSU insists on doing a home and home. You have to earn that. You aren't going to get home and homes until you play quality opponents on a regular basis and win some of those games.

well, you heard wrong.....sure they'd like to get a home and home, but they also realize that there isn't much incentive for the USC's and LSU's to travel to Boise Idaho to play a football game....there's no upside.....

BSU worked within the parameters established by the BCS....they qualified to play in a BCS game....from your posts, it seems to me that you're in favor of the little guy getting a shot, so long as it's somebody that you deem worthy......that's not the way it works......

I'm not trying to imply that BSU is an elite program, I'm not trying to imply that BSU is even a top 35 program yet....but they've come along way in the 10 years they've been competing at the 1-A level.....

Look at Gonzaga. They could not get quality home games, but a few good runs in the tourney and now they get quality home games.

wow, talk about comparing apples to bags of sledgehammers......

Works that way in football too (see Louisville you just referneced who brought Miami (FL) into their house this year).

not quite....you don't pick up the phone to the AD of USC and say, "can you pencil us in for a game on September 20th"......

interesting that you bring up Louisville.....

of course their 2005 schedule was loaded with great teams from power conferences....

September 4 at Kentucky
September 17 Oregon State (there's that pesky oregon state team again)
September 24 at South Florida (truly one of the elite programs)
October 1 Florida Atlantic (power football at it's best)
October 8 North Carolina (puhlesse)
October 15 at West Virginia
October 22 at Cincinnati
November 3 Pittsburgh
November 11 Rutgers
November 26 Syracuse
December 3 at Connecticut
January 2 vs No. 7 Virginia Tech

Louisville played all of one team ranked in the top 25 in 2005 and that was in a bowl game.....

in 2004, Louisvilles schedule looked like this

September 5 Kentucky
September 11 at Army
September 25 at North Carolina
October 2 East Carolina
October 14 at No. 3 Miami (FL)
October 22 South Florida
November 4 at Memphis
November 10 TCU
November 20 at Houston
November 27 Cincinnati
December 4 at Tulane
December 31 vs No. 13 Boise State

In 2004, they played all of two ranked teams, one of those (BSU) in a bowl game....

so why aren't you whining about Louisville's cream puff schedule......

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:14 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:Purdue and Alabama just happened to both be bad this year . . .
Fwiw, Purdue won 8 games this year, although in fairness, their OOC schedule, other than ND and Hawaii, was the suck, and they also benefitted from an extremely favorable conference schedule (missed both Michigan and tOSU).
Purdue Wins:
Indiana St. (1-10...in 1-fucking-AA)
Miami (OH) (2-10)
Ball St. (5-7)
Minnesota (6-6)
Northwestern (4-8)
Michigan St. (4-8)
Illinois (2-10)
Indiana (5-7)

Combined record (29-66)

Purdue Losses:
Notre Dame (10-2...BCS Team)
Iowa (6-6...Bowl Team)
Wisconsin (11-1...should be in BCS)
Penn St. (8-4...Bowl Team)
Hawaii (11-3...won Bowl Game)

Combined Record (46-16)

I venture to say I could count the number of decent (not quality, but decent) wins Purdue had on Maria Sharipova's dick. That's 8 total shit wins. Purdue was a BAD team.

Purdue beat Minnesota, a bowl team, and a team that beat Iowa (one of Purdue's losses). They also beat Indiana, who was definitely improving at season's end.

I'm not saying Purdue was a great team, or even a very good team, by any stretch of the imagination. However, I hesitate to call any 8-win team out of a BCS conference a BAD team.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 8:57 pm

Strength of Schedules:

Year
Record
Strength of Schedule

2006
12-0
100

2005
9-4
92

2004
11-1
99

2003
13-1
98

2002
12-1
82

2001
8-4
70

2000
10-2
110

1999
10-3
112

Guess what fucking team that is? That's right, Boise St. They have done NOTHING to boost their SOS over the years. Rolling shit teams hoping to slide in finally paid off.

NjSooner · Post by **NjSooner** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 9:55 pm

112 to 100 is improvment I guess...

Quit trying to get inside BSU's collective pants

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:20 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Strength of Schedules:

Guess what fucking team that is? That's right, Boise St. They have done NOTHING to boost their SOS over the years. Rolling shit teams hoping to slide in finally paid off.

Kind of odd that you chose to post BSU's strength of schedule, especially given the fact that I've acknowledged (numerous times) that BSU doesn't play a tough schedule...

yet you offer nothing insofar as my observations regarding Louisville and their schedule.....

interesting indeed.......

Terry in Crapchester · Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:28 pm

Felix wrote:
IndyFrisco wrote:Strength of Schedules:

Guess what fucking team that is? That's right, Boise St. They have done NOTHING to boost their SOS over the years. Rolling shit teams hoping to slide in finally paid off.
Kind of odd that you chose to post BSU's strength of schedule, especially given the fact that I've acknowledged (numerous times) that BSU doesn't play a tough schedule...

yet you offer nothing insofar as my observations regarding Louisville and their schedule.....

interesting indeed.......

Sagarin has Louisville's SOS at 36, Boise State's at 100. http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm

That's a pretty big difference. Just sayin'.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 10:47 pm

I get it Terry....they (Louisville) played a much tougher schedule this year compared with previous years.....

The only point I'm trying to make here is that not every team plays a grueling schedule every year.....

if Indy and L45 want to believe that BSU doesn't deserve to be there, well that's their opinions and nothing I say will change that......

they'll just have to learn to live with it......

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:54 pm

First of all, Re:

You said they were a shitty team... I said they led the nation in scoring..

So the fuck what? If Baylor left the Big 12 and joined Texas 5A H.S. football, they'd probably lead the state in scoring. Putting points up against the Sisters of the Mercifully Crippled is nice, but since when is it ANY measure of a team's talents? Tech usually leads the Big 12 in scoring. Loyola-Marymount used to lead the nation in scoring in college hoops. Was anybody REALLY worried about them as a national championship contender? NO. They played crap teams in conference and shot 100 3's a game.

8-4 Clemson is 9th in the nation in scoring. 10-3 Houston is 11th. Anybody mentioning THEM for a National Championship yet? Fuck, they score a lot. Fit 'em for rings.

Assbutt.

Also, for the record, Hawaii's opponents are averaging 23.85 ppg. That would put their opponents tied for 58th in the nation in scoring offense... they're tied with K-State and Iowa. Hawaii may put up a lot of points, but they ALLOW a lot of points too. 58th doesn't seem like too bad a defense, but, keep in mind, they're playing SHIT teams. K-State and Iowa play GOOD teams.

Second,

Rolling shit teams hoping to slide in finally paid off.

Sincerely,
K-State?

the_ouskull

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:03 am

the_ouskull wrote: So the fuck what?

great argument, you've got me convinced.......

8-4 Clemson is 9th in the nation in scoring. 10-3 Houston is 11th. Anybody mentioning THEM for a National Championship yet? Fuck, they score a lot. Fit 'em for rings.

and Hawaii is 10-2.....is there a point you're trying to make for Indy.....

Hawaii is not a shitty team....there's no way you can spin it that makes your argument.....

Assbutt.

what are you like 7 years old......

Also, for the record, Hawaii's opponents are averaging 23.85 ppg. That would put their opponents tied for 58th in the nation in scoring offense... they're tied with K-State and Iowa. Hawaii may put up a lot of points, but they ALLOW a lot of points too. 58th doesn't seem like too bad a defense, but, keep in mind, they're playing SHIT teams. K-State and Iowa play GOOD teams.

they rolled Purdue, they rolled ASU...shitty teams don't roll over Big 10 and Pac 10 teams....

they may not be Oklahoma, but they're not a shitty team.....

just out of curiousity......
why have you taken such an interest in Indy's moronic statements.....

420 · Post by **420** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:08 am

Hey, assholes...

the game is a week away!

A much better game takes place tomorrow.

Wake the fuck up!

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:14 am

Moronic statements?

Listen, Boise State plays the equivalent of a 1-AA schedule YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. They have not even tried to justify their existence in 1-A by playing anyone remotely worth a shit. Saying you have EARNED your spot in the BCS is horeshit.

Been beatin' high schools State University qualified...and they shouldn't have. What is funny is that HomerFan is thumping chest saying they belong and are a force to be reckoned with when they should be saying they don't belong but are happy to get the invite.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:06 am

First of all, are you seriously calling Purdue and ASU "major wins?" I'm going to assume that you didn't realize it, and that there's NO way that someone who never even comes over to this forum would be so fuckdumb as to try to get noticed here like this...

..but, I'll assume that you didn't realize that Purdue and ASU both fucking suck. Purdue is 8-5 and they gave up more than 30 points to Indiana State, Miami (OH), and Illinois. Arizona State is a better team than Purdue, but still not exactly a "quality win."

And, as for your Rainbow fucking Warriors, considering that 260 of the points they scored this year came against Fresno State, Idaho, Utah State, and Louisana Tech, let's hold off on their coronation for a bit, shall we? Considering the fact that their backup QB only attempted 7% of the team's passes this year, and that 7 of their games were blowouts (20+ points, and an 8th was 19 points) that tells me that ol' June Jones was leaving his Brennen in to try to win him the Heisman, which, thankfully, the voters saw right through. Where'd he finish, anyway? 5th, behind two QB's that he had MUCH better stats than... Why?

BECAUSE STATS DON'T TELL THE WHOLE STORY, DIPSHIT !!!

If you're basing an entire argument solely on some stats, then you're GOING to get embarassed on this board. Sorry. See? Unlike the people you might be used to mingling with over on the Smack board, we're not a bunch of homosmack and yourmom jokes over here... We're informed, and, frankly, better than you in every conceivable way. Also, we have one MAJOR advantage over you...

...we actually WATCH the games. We actually KNOW that, even though Hawaii is a good football team, they'd get rolled the f up in ANY BCS conference. They wouldn't finish better than 5th in the Big 12 South. Tech, A&M, Texas, and OU would all dominate them, and OSU might give them a game too, depending on when and where it was played. Baylor, well... as much as I'd like to see the sweep, I, unlike yourself, am a realist.

I'm not saying that Hawaii isn't a good team. They are... They're a solid offensive football team, and they're well-coached and well-disciplined. Having said that, if they had played a real team in their bowl game, they'd have gotten their faces raped.

...much like what's happening to you right now.

shitty teams don't roll over Big 10 and Pac 10 teams....

New Hampshire, Ohio, Southern Illinois, UConn, San Jose State, and Navy.

That's a list of shitty teams that beat Pac 10 and Big 10 teams this season. If it hurts, I don't have to leave it all the way in...

the_ouskull

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:40 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Moronic statements?

yeah, calling Hawaii a "shitty" team is a moronic statement.....

Listen, Boise State plays the equivalent of a 1-AA schedule YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT. They have not even tried to justify their existence in 1-A by playing anyone remotely worth a shit. Saying you have EARNED your spot in the BCS is horeshit.

why are you changing the subject.....we were talking about Hawaii being a shitty team and now you want to talk about BSU's schedule......

focus bud, focus.......

Been beatin' high schools State University qualified...and they shouldn't have.

I'm sorry, I'm not versed in gibberish....want to try that again.......

What is funny is that HomerFan is thumping chest saying they belong and are a force to be reckoned with when they should be saying they don't belong but are happy to get the invite.

I've been "thumping my chest"? I can't remember how many times I've said this.....but I'll repeat if for you.....

I DON'T THINK BSU CAN BEAT OKLAHOMA'S IF OKLAHOMA PLAYS TO THEIR POTENTIAL

but what I have said is that it's not going to be the blow out every Sooner fan thinks it's going to be......

do you understand this or should I try and dumb it down further for you......

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 2:54 pm

Felix wrote:do you understand this or should I try and dumb it down further for you......

No, what you've said is pretty fucking dumb thus far. Even the turd I dropped in the toilet this morning understands the crap you've spewed. It, and everyone else in here, just doesn't agree with your shit take.

Go back and reread the post you quoted of mine on page 2 that started this ass kicking of yours. From the beginning, I was shitting on Boise St. because of their schedule.

Now read further...

I said Hawaii is a good team, not a VERY good team or a great team.

And Oklahoma can have an off day and still beat Boise St. by 14. Anything less than a 20 point win by OU means they REALLY had a bad day. If OU plays to their potential, the score could easily be 77-0. Trust me, I know...

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:04 pm

the_ouskull wrote:First of all, are you seriously calling Purdue and ASU "major wins?" I'm going to assume that you didn't realize it, and that there's NO way that someone who never even comes over to this forum would be so fuckdumb as to try to get noticed here like this...

Jeez bud.....do you always put words into posts that aren't there....where did I say Purdue and ASU were "major wins".....I said Hawaii rolled over Big 10 and Pac 10 teams....that's a long way from calling them "major wins".....

..but, I'll assume that you didn't realize that Purdue and ASU both fucking suck. Purdue is 8-5 and they gave up more than 30 points to Indiana State, Miami (OH), and Illinois. Arizona State is a better team than Purdue, but still not exactly a "quality win."

okay....I get it now....you seem to qualify virtually everything.....

And, as for your Rainbow fucking Warriors, considering that 260 of the points they scored this year came against Fresno State, Idaho, Utah State, and Louisana Tech, let's hold off on their coronation for a bit, shall we? Considering the fact that their backup QB only attempted 7% of the team's passes this year, and that 7 of their games were blowouts (20+ points, and an 8th was 19 points) that tells me that ol' June Jones was leaving his Brennen in to try to win him the Heisman, which, thankfully, the voters saw right through. Where'd he finish, anyway? 5th, behind two QB's that he had MUCH better stats than... Why?

have you even seen Hawaii play? do you know anything about the type of offense they run?
Jones wasn't running up the score....the type of offense they run pretty much dictates that they're going to throw the ball about 70 to 80% of the time.....

as for the whole "Heisman" thing....I find it amazing that a QB on a team that plays in what you've termed a shitty conference would even be considered for the Heisman.....

If you're basing an entire argument solely on some stats, then you're GOING to get embarassed on this board. Sorry. See? Unlike the people you might be used to mingling with over on the Smack board, we're not a bunch of homosmack and yourmom jokes over here... We're informed, and, frankly, better than you in every conceivable way. Also, we have one MAJOR advantage over you...

again douchebag, my citing stats was refuting Indyassclown's assertion that Hawaii was a shitty team....try and keep your eye on the ball bud

...we actually WATCH the games. We actually KNOW that, even though Hawaii is a good football team, they'd get rolled the f up in ANY BCS conference. They wouldn't finish better than 5th in the Big 12 South. Tech, A&M, Texas, and OU would all dominate them, and OSU might give them a game too, depending on when and where it was played. Baylor, well... as much as I'd like to see the sweep, I, unlike yourself, am a realist.

jeezus....put the bottle down and quit putting words in my posts......
but thanks for acknowledging that Hawaii is a good team....why exactly were you arguing Indys side?

I'm not saying that Hawaii isn't a good team. They are... They're a solid offensive football team, and they're well-coached and well-disciplined. Having said that, if they had played a real team in their bowl game, they'd have gotten their faces raped. ...much like what's happening to you right now.

that's funny.....I've found that when posters need to keep repeating how bad they're kicking somebody's ass it's usually a sign that the exact opposite is occurring......

look bud, you are of the opinion that BSU doesn't belong in a BCS game and I disagree.....

no amount of arguing or cajoling by either of us is going to change the others mind......

I know this BCS thing is old hat to you and the rest of the Oklahoma faithful, but it's a new experience for BSU and their fans....are we over exhuberant? probably....but classy fans don't typically spend the energy you've exerted trying to piss in the other guys corn flakes.....

whatever floats your boat hoss......

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:07 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:
I said Hawaii is a good team, not a VERY good team or a great team.

no you didn't you said they were not a very good team and in a down year......do you want me to go back and get the quote again?

And Oklahoma can have an off day and still beat Boise St. by 14. Anything less than a 20 point win by OU means they REALLY had a bad day. If OU plays to their potential, the score could easily be 77-0. Trust me, I know...

okay......

we'll see how she plays out....

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:14 pm

Yes, get me the quote that has the words "shitty" and "Hawaii" in it where I said the two things were equal.

If you are referring to when I said "Hawaii is not a very good team" then you misread my statment. Further down, I explained that statement to Dins as he misread it too. I am not backpedaling of waffling on Hawaii. I do not think they are a VERY good team. I think they are a good team.

In any case, feel free to keep kicking your own ass with your BSU tripe. Yes, we will see how it plays out. When OU rips BSU's face off, feel free to go back to whatever forum you came from as we all know this is your first appearance in the CFB forum...and not a good one I should say.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:20 pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Nice fucking edit Felix. Busted your ass...

Felix first wrote:no you said they were a shitty team......do you want me to go back and get the quote again?

Frisco goes to type his response (above)

Felix the realized he kicked his own ass again and wrote:no you didn't you said they were not a very good team and in a down year......do you want me to go back and get the quote again?

Get the fuck outa here.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:41 pm

Get the fuck outa here.

Yep, you got me boss....you spent so much time telling me how shitty the WAC is I inadvertantly transposed the words....you said they weren't a very good team and in a down year....

even Dinsdale was amazed by the stupidity of that statement.....

but big props on the catch bud.......

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 3:48 pm

Once again...you only hear what you want to boost your argument. Here's my quote:

NEWSFLASH: Hawaii is not a very good team. They lost to a bad Alabama team and a mediocre Oregon St. team. however, at least Hawaii isnt afraid to schedule teams worth a shit...traditionally. Alabama and Purdue are traditionally good to great teams. Hawaii could not help it that they were down this year. Had Hawaii run the table, I would have felt they earned a shot because they at least made the effort to schedule traditionally good teams.

I was not saying Hawaii had a down year. From CONTEXT above you should read that Alabama and Purdue were the ones who had the down year and also how it is not Hawaii's fault but they at least TRIED to schedule traditionally good teams.

Quit letting my ripping of BSU cloud your ability to comprehend.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:13 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Once again...you only hear what you want to boost your argument. Here's my quote:

NEWSFLASH: Hawaii is not a very good team. Hawaii could not help it that they were down this year.[/b]

I was not saying Hawaii had a down year.

I've segregated the two statements in the paragraph above.....now you're trying to convince me that you meant something other than what you wrote....

you're a funny guy....

Quit letting my ripping of BSU cloud your ability to comprehend.

do you actually think I give a shit about what you say regarding BSU.....

:lol:

did I say you were a funny guy....I meant it......

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:18 pm

^^^ That is unreadable. ^^^

ed: I will take it as Uncle though.

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:24 pm

Hey Felix, just so you know, you're setting records here. I've never seen someone go all IB on a post like you have to do in order to keep your train of thought on the tracks, and STILL manage not to touch on about 90% of the points that I made...

they rolled Purdue, they rolled ASU...shitty teams don't roll over Big 10 and Pac 10 teams....

That's where you said that Purdue and ASU are major wins. You're qualifying your Hawaiian man-love by saying that they, "rolled Big 10 and Pac 10 teams..." If you're using them as an example of why Hawaii is a quality football team, then, considering that they're their ONLY decent wins, I'd say they're pretty "major" (to you, not me) wins as well. Without those wins, you don't have a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, so stop acting like you're NOT big-upping those games when they're all you've got. Regardless of how you like it in your personal life, in an argument, you can't have it both ways. Either they're good, quality wins to Hawaii, and Hawaii isn't as good as you're sucking them off to be; or they're not good, quality wins, and Hawaii [Dennis Green] is who we thought they were. [/Dennis Green]

I then provided a list of teams that EVERYBODY would agree are shitty teams; even those teams' fans. that beat Pac 10 and Big 11 teams... I notice that, in your attempt to be Imanjie Bfelix, you didn't comment on THAT part of my post. Did you just miss it upon your first havesomeonereadittoyou or did you ignore it because it was devastating to your argument?

And, to answer your question, yes, I HAVE seen Hawaii play... I like Hawaii... I just don't like you. Does THAT answer your question as to why I'm "taking Frisco's side," on this? Dipshit.

I don't give a fuck if you're sitting on almost 3000 posts and you think you're "well-established" around this board... 'cause you're NOT at all established on the CFB board. If you'd like to avoid walking around with a couple of feet up your ass in the future, make sure that, when you open your mouth, you know what the fuck you're talking about.

A win over a Top 25 team, anywhere, is a "good win." A win over a traditional power at their house, ranked or not, is a "good win." Hawaii has exactly 0 "good wins" this year. The only team on their schedule that's still ranked is Boise, and they LOST to them...

Really dude, you're hanging your hat on Purdue and Arizona State and you expect to be taken seriously? If you're trying to say that those wins are good wins for Hawaii, I'd hear that argument... Hell, I'd agree. String together a few more seasons like the one they had this year, and they could become the next Kansas State.

BUT if you're trying to say that, because of a couple of wins over middle-of-the-road teams from BCS conferences, Hawaii is a "great" team, or even a "very good" team, then you, sir, are sorely mistaken. They're not a team that blips on the national radar. Maybe they're a very good WAC team, or even a great WAC team. Stop trying to make them a national power. THEY can't do it. Why should you waste your time, and our time, in trying to do it as well?

the_ouskull

Post Script -- If you're planning on doing another IB-style response to my post, which is Casper of you, btw, then make sure you go back and include your response to my list of teams, and make sure that you include a response to my Top 25 = Quality Win argument. To win an argument, you can't dance around the issues... that's only how you win the Presidency.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:35 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Once again...you only hear what you want to boost your argument.

the_ouskull wrote:I've never seen someone go all IB on a post like you have to do in order to keep your train of thought on the tracks, and STILL manage not to touch on about 90% of the points that I made...

Getting the picture?

Dude takes sentences from your posts, switches them around and then tries to use that against you. He must be a newspaper columnist.

If I'm reading it right, he basically admitted to it in his last post wher he did just that...yet again. I'm hoping it was in jest.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 4:58 pm

the_ouskull wrote:Hey Felix

look ou, you and Indy seem like nice enough guys and all, but seriously you two trying to tell me about BSU and the WAC is like me trying to tell Jimmy Meds about USC and the Pac 10....you don't follow the WAC and you don't follow BSU so essentially, both of you are talking out of your ass relying solely on the same statistical data you chastised me for citing....

bottom line is it doesn't really matter to me whether you think BSU deserves to be there or not.....they are there so live with it.....

lets see what happens New Years day....

and remember, if you post last you win.....

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 5:14 pm

Nice edit on the if you post last you win...gotcha again.

I don't follow the David Hasslehoff Flag Football Giants of Des Moines, but I can assure you they do not belong in a BCS Bowl.

In any event, we can agree to disagree now that we agree on the FACTS and what WAS and WASN'T said. We can argue opinions all day. There is no reason to argue facts and quotes when they are right there in black and white. I'm not a "post back and forth for 10 pages" kinda guy anyway.

Seeya in the Golf Forum on more civil terms. It's a more civil sport. ;)

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 6:37 pm

they rolled Purdue, they rolled ASU...shitty teams don't roll over Big 10 and Pac 10 teams....

Oregon rolled ASU...and if you honestly believe they aren't a shitty team right now, you need your freaking eyes checked.

If'n I'm not mistaken, Perdue is on the schedule next season...and they'll roll them. And as long as Looked-Better-With-The-Pornstache is coaching, they'll probably prove themselves to be a shitty team again by season's end.

As a neutral observer(neutral as far as this battle goes -- not the slightest bit neutral about a shit team from a shit "conference" tainting the BCS bowls)...this reallyreallyreally isn't going well for you, Felix. But if BSU were to beat OU(wow, that was hard to even type), you could at least point up at the BODE and tell everyone to shut the fuck up...and you'd be Da Man for a day or so. But not only is your smackbattle going as horribly as a David Duke keynote speech on Kwanzaa, the inevitable conclusion is going to be your team getting gaped, and all the bruises you incurred here will be proven well-deserved.

Often, there's a time in any smack exchange when it's best to take your lumps, stay down, take the ten-count, and fight another day. For you, that was about one post into this thread.

We're golf-boyz and all, Felix...but....wow. Just wow.

When your best argument is b-b-b-b-b-but....we beat Hawaii, and they beat Perdue...

Not so much, bro.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:32 pm

Dinsdale wrote: this reallyreallyreally isn't going well for you, Felix.

so Indy says Hawaii is a bad team then proceeds to tell me that's not what he said and this reflects bad on me.....

okey dokey brah.....

BTW-you're a colossal fucking douchebag......

but in Indy speak that means I have the utmost respect for you......get it......

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:47 pm

Felix,

Are you doing this on purpose?

Based upon the text below...

VVV HERE VVV

NEWSFLASH: Hawaii is not a very good team. They lost to a bad Alabama team and a mediocre Oregon St. team. however, at least Hawaii isnt afraid to schedule teams worth a shit...traditionally. Alabama and Purdue are traditionally good to great teams. Hawaii could not help it that they were down this year. Had Hawaii run the table, I would have felt they earned a shot because they at least made the effort to schedule traditionally good teams.

^^^ THERE ^^^

Who do you honestly think I meant was "having a down year"?

A. Hawaii
B. Alabama
C. Purdue
D. Both B and C
E. All of the Above
F. None of the Above

Don't skirt around the question as you have been all along. It's a fucking multiple choice question with only 1 answer. All I need from you is a letter.

If you get it wrong, it will be your application to Board Bitch of the Year 2006 and you will have just made the fucking cutoff.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 8:40 pm

Come on Indy....

I'm just fucking with you now.....

I understand you meant that Purdue and Alabama were having down years....

I just couldn't get past that first sentence "Hawaii is not a very good team"

"good" is a relative term......are they good compared to Ohio State...no....are they good compared to the vast majority of teams in the West...yeah....are they good in relation to the WAC and Mountain West conferences....yes, they're very good....

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:09 am

Felix wrote: so Indy says Hawaii is a bad team then proceeds to tell me that's not what he said and this reflects bad on me....

Well, I was going to begin my response with "If you had been following this thread"...but that would have been doing you a disservice, since it's quite obvious you've been following the thread...hence you're going the way of making this some sort of semantics debate, and even trying to make this thread about me, IndyFrisco, or Hawaii.

You've obviously been following this thread, and rather astutely decided it was "deflection time."

I, too, misunderstood IF. And you might have noticed, I took him to task for what I believe he meant. He then clarified what he was trying to say(although he should have apologized for the atrocious wording), and we moved on.

Just like after your team gets sent into the lab in a baggie labelled "Oklahoma's Stool Sample," we'll move on...quickly.

But seriously bro -- why did you think it was a good idea to continue this battle at any point, much less after you were completely fucking clowned(and yeah, that's what happened) on the SOS issue?

Hopefully Boise Community College will be the standard-bearer of why community colleges shouldn't play in BCS bowls.

Let's face it -- BSU is a shit team, and even more sad than that is that they know they're a shit team. They knew nothing they could ever do on the field could get them recognition, so they made their claim to fame as the team with the turf that's the same color as their asses after they play a good team.

Sorry BSU, but the Big Sky is more your speed.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:49 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Well, I was going to begin my response with "If you had been following this thread"...but that would have been doing you a disservice, since it's quite obvious you've been following the thread...hence you're going the way of making this some sort of semantics debate, and even trying to make this thread about me, IndyFrisco, or Hawaii.

this thread turned from a "what do you think will happen" to a "BSU doesn't deserve to be there" pile of shit....spurred on by Indy, OU, and yourself...

normally, I won't allow myself to be drawn into these pointless exercises...but I'm pretty passionate about BSU and their football program...which in turn led to me not heeding my own advice....

there is no point in debating whether they deserve to be there or not...

they are there......

you're just going to have to learn live with it.....

and just in passing, you're baiting is usually not quite as ham handed as evidnced in your last post.....

you're slipping bud......

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:02 am

Felix wrote:you're just going to have to learn live with it.....

Tears.

Uhm, dude...I've already leaned to live with my team getting sodomized in a bowl game. Catch is, there's a major difference in our perspectives -- I already knew my team was complete shit before they stepped up to a bowl. I didn't need that notion reinforced, I was already at peace with it.

You, on the other hand, don't seem to have the slightest grip on reality.

But yeah, bro...I'm the one that needs to "learn to live" with what's about to happen to BSU. Sell it, dude. You're on fire, baby!

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:03 am

Felix,

Quit. Seeya in the golf forum and best of luck to you and your band-wagoning "whitch-a-ma-call-its".

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:40 am

Dins...you're trademark has always been subtlety....quiet subtlety

that's why I find these last two posts of yours remarkable in and of themselves...simply because they are nothing more than weak attempts to merely annoy.....

I'd expect this type of tripe from somebody like mtool but coming from you it's really pretty shocking....

I'll just chalk it up to you having a bad day.....

Indy, I'm just having fun now.....why would I want to stop......

the_ouskull · Post by **the_ouskull** » Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:31 pm

Felix wrote:I'm just having fun now.....why would I want to stop......

Uh, mainly because of this:

left to right: cfb board, felix

the_ouskull