Should I deduct 2 pts from Joe in PB's score?

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:40 pm

NE's offense recovered 1 fumble I gave him credit for. NE's D/ST were not on the field at the time of the Caldwell fumble recovery on the Brown strip of McCree.

I think it's the right thing to do. Very similar to my Westbrook punt return for a TD question last week.

Thoughts?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:48 pm

If one looks at the box score, it shows that the Chargers lost three fumbles. That's what I would give Joe if I were scoring.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:50 pm

let him keep the points.......

after all, we're the "friendly" NFL forum.......

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:50 pm

Fumbles lost is not a category.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:52 pm

BSmack wrote:If one looks at the box score, it shows that the Chargers lost three fumbles. That's what I would give Joe if I were scoring.

are you in this thing.....

I must have missed your name.....

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:54 pm

If this is a fantasy question then I vote you have him shave off his pube'stache.

That'll do 'er.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:08 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:Fumbles lost is not a category.

The point being that recovering a lost fumble is a defensive act.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:52 pm

mvscal wrote:
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote: NE's D/ST were not on the field at the time of the Caldwell fumble recovery on the Brown strip of McCree.
Yes, they were.

I know it seemed like the Patriots had 22 men on the field at all times during the game, but, the just Patriots offensive unit was on the field at time of the play.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:55 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
mvscal wrote:
ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote: NE's D/ST were not on the field at the time of the Caldwell fumble recovery on the Brown strip of McCree.
Yes, they were.
I know it seemed like the Patriots had 22 men on the field at all times during the game, but, the just Patriots offensive unit was on the field at time of the play.

At the instant possession changed, Caldwell became a defensive player. His recovery of the fumble was therefore an act of a defensive player.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:16 pm

mvscal wrote:Wrong. Turnovers, by definition, can only be caused by the defense.

The instant the defending player establishes possession after an interception, his side becomes the offense while the other side becomes the defensive unit.

I don't need you to whip out the NFL rulebook... I understand the terminology. This is a fantasy football question. There's a difference.

If Brian Westbrook return a punt for a TD, in the fantasy football world, the Phillie D/ST gets points. Brian Westbrook earns none.

If you need me to draw you pictures to further your understanding of the matter, I will.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:32 pm

So... that's a "yes" on me drawing you pictures? I'll get right on it...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:55 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:I don't need you to whip out the NFL rulebook... I understand the terminology. This is a fantasy football question. There's a difference.

If Brian Westbrook return a punt for a TD, in the fantasy football world, the Phillie D/ST gets points. Brian Westbrook earns none.

If you need me to draw you pictures to further your understanding of the matter, I will.

That depends on the league you happen to be in. I've played in leagues where both would get credit. For example, the JFFL scores in that manner.

(If any of the Jackasses would like the check that, just check out the week 5 scoring for Reggie Bush)

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:34 pm

give him the 2 points......

Joe in PB · Post by **Joe in PB** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:39 pm

At the instant possession changed, Caldwell became a defensive player. His recovery of the fumble was therefore an act of a defensive player.

Agreed.

But where are the scores?

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:06 pm

Believe the Heupel wrote:Figured another way: would you give the Patriots defense credit for a shutout if the lone Charger score had been on an INT return?

We don't compute shutouts... you earn points for YOUR DEFENSE giving up 0-10 pts. If the Chargers had a "lone score", the most amount of points they could have is 8. 8 < 10.

Next question.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:41 pm

Next question.

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Oh snap. This isn't my Drew Rosenhaus troll.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:45 pm

Felix wrote:give him the 2 points......

Yep.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:02 pm

War Wagon wrote:
Felix wrote:give him the 2 points......
Yep.

Okay, fine. That's what we'll go with. It does make it easier to track, but that doesn't make it more fair.

I finally remembered the terminology that escaped me yesterday. In leagues I've been involved in the past the term we applied to situations like this was "At the hike of the ball on the play in question"...

Furthermore, in past leagues I've been involved in:

YES, I would still give a defense/st credit for a shutout if the defense/st didn't give up any points.
NO, Your offensive player does NOT earn you any points when computing tackles.

"At the hike of the ball on the play in question"... the Patriots OFFENSE was on the field.

I appreciate everyone's feedback. We'll give Joe the two points.

T1B

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