Charlie Gibson licks Hillary's clit on the Evening News...

[Derron]

Oh sure blame everything on the poor Irish

I told you so....we would let the nojjers in, the spics in, and the Chinks and Jews in, but we did not want the goddamn Irish. Now look what has happened....

Sincerely,

Slim Pickens

[BSmack]

Oh sure blame everything on the poor Irish

No, I blame those who retarded their region's development by remaining addicted to an unsustainable plantation economy.

[Tom In VA]

Oh sure blame everything on the poor Irish

No, I blame those who retarded their region's development by remaining addicted to an unsustainable plantation economy.

Lighten up Francis. Your support of imperialism, exploitation of lower economic classes, and false notions of ethnic superiority are duly noted.

[BSmack]

No, I blame those who retarded their region's development by remaining addicted to an unsustainable plantation economy.

Lighten up Francis. Your support of imperialism, exploitation of lower economic classes, and false notions of ethnic superiority are duly noted.

Yea, slavery was so much better.

[Tom In VA]

No, I blame those who retarded their region's development by remaining addicted to an unsustainable plantation economy.

Lighten up Francis. Your support of imperialism, exploitation of lower economic classes, and false notions of ethnic superiority are duly noted.

Yea, slavery was so much better.

Nobody said it was Polly. But enjoy your delusions of moral superiority.

[BSmack]

Yea, slavery was so much better.

Nobody said it was Polly. But enjoy your delusions of moral superiority.

Who was talking about morality? Slavery retarded the southern economy. That it was a moral abomination is secondary to this discussion.

[Tom In VA]

Don't get dizzy and for God's sake put anything sharp you might have down. Yes, that's right, you can keep your "wit".

The reference was to the retardation of the south, which was a product of a backlash against Yankee imperialism, AFTER the war.

I think you meant secede, but succeed is pretty much the same thing. I think the southern states had a clear constitutional right to secede, and the issue of slavery would have been theirs to answer for. And they would've suffered quite a bit for it, no doubt. (And fuck that recent British "documentary" about If the South Had Won, it was ludicrous.)

But it wasn't nearly that cut and dried. A protracted negotiation accompanied by international pressure--on both sides--and the War could have been avoided. THAT should have been the priority of the president. More to the point, when the South was for all practical purposes defeated--and certainly open to negotiantions highly advantageous to the North, Lincoln was bent on the ghastly decimation of the entire "culture" of the South, and caused tremendous unnecessary damage to the nation--basically retarding the entire South for about one-hundred years. Lincoln was certainly the best poet ever to hold the office, but he was a dreadful failure ultimately as president.

[Goober McTuber]

The South is inherently retarded. And it has nothing to do with the war.

[Tom In VA]

The South is inherently retarded. And it has nothing to do with the war.

You're about as credible as a piece of shit commenting on what smells good vs. what smells bad.

[BSmack]

Don't get dizzy and for God's sake put anything sharp you might have down. Yes, that's right, you can keep your "wit".

The reference was to the retardation of the south, which was a product of a backlash against Yankee imperialism, AFTER the war.

I think you meant secede, but succeed is pretty much the same thing. I think the southern states had a clear constitutional right to secede, and the issue of slavery would have been theirs to answer for. And they would've suffered quite a bit for it, no doubt. (And fuck that recent British "documentary" about If the South Had Won, it was ludicrous.)

But it wasn't nearly that cut and dried. A protracted negotiation accompanied by international pressure--on both sides--and the War could have been avoided. THAT should have been the priority of the president. More to the point, when the South was for all practical purposes defeated--and certainly open to negotiantions highly advantageous to the North, Lincoln was bent on the ghastly decimation of the entire "culture" of the South, and caused tremendous unnecessary damage to the nation--basically retarding the entire South for about one-hundred years. Lincoln was certainly the best poet ever to hold the office, but he was a dreadful failure ultimately as president.

Yes, and I was simply illustrating the plain fact that Yankee carpetbagging was only possible because the south had remained economically stagnant BEFORE the war. In fact, even after the war, the south tried to perpetuate the plantation economy through sharecropping and draconian prison work farms like Angola, rather than emulate the industrialized north. I think history has proven that even with the abuses of wage slavery, that the northern industrial economy was a better way out of poverty than the southern system.

[BSmack]

No, I blame those who retarded their region's development by remaining addicted to an unsustainable plantation economy.

It might have been politically unsustainable, but economically speaking it wasn't going anywhere.

Synthetic fabric says what?

The days of "King Cotton" and a slave based economy were numbered. Abe Lincoln simply sped up the process.

[Tom In VA]

Yes, and I was simply illustrating the plain fact that Yankee carpetbagging was only possible because the south had remained economically stagnant BEFORE the war. In fact, even after the war, the south tried to perpetuate the plantation economy through sharecropping and draconian prison work farms like Angola, rather than emulate the industrialized north. I think history has proven that even with the abuses of wage slavery, that the northern industrial economy was a better way out of poverty than the southern system.

Now you're going to get all serious and academic on me. Yankee carpetbagging was possible because the south was decimated by the war, in every way imaginable. I'm not sure but I think the notion of "scorched earth" policy was born during the Civil War.

After the war, the "south" was no longer in control of "the southerners" as is was before the war. Granted sharecropping and draconian prison work farms didn't resort to child labor and again ... exploitation of a continuous crop of new immigrants from ... the south and the rest of the world .... so you're right they didn't emulate the north.

Yeah, poverty was eradicated in the "North". You're so right, about being wrong.

[Goober McTuber]

The South is inherently retarded. And it has nothing to do with the war.

You're about as credible as a piece of shit commenting on what smells good vs. what smells bad.

Struck a nerve much?

[Tom In VA]

The South is inherently retarded. And it has nothing to do with the war.

You're about as credible as a piece of shit commenting on what smells good vs. what smells bad.

Struck a nerve much?

Enjoy thinking you have, it's all you got.

[BSmack]

Now you're going to get all serious and academic on me. Yankee carpetbagging was possible because the south was decimated by the war, in every way imaginable. I'm not sure but I think the notion of "scorched earth" policy was born during the Civil War.

And the decimation of the south was made possible by the inherent weakness of the south's slave based plantation economy. They were out manned because immigrants poured into northern cities at a far greater rate to avoid having to compete with slave labor. And they were out gunned because the south relied almost exclusively on imports and had no manufacturing base to convert to weapons production. Even effective troop transport (I'm sure you're familiar with 1st Manassas) became nearly impossible by the end of the war because once a southern rail line had been torn up, the south had no way to replace the track.

After the war, the "south" was no longer in control of "the southerners" as is was before the war.

Reconstruction ended with the election of Hayes to the White House. How do you explain the 90 years after that?

Granted sharecropping and draconian prison work farms didn't resort to child labor and again ... exploitation of a continuous crop of new immigrants from ... the south and the rest of the world .... so you're right they didn't emulate the north.

Yeah, poverty was eradicated in the "North". You're so right, about being wrong.

One needs only to look at 20th Century poverty statistics and migration trends to see how full of shit you are. Only in the last 30 years have we seen a reversal of that trend. Not so coincidentally, that happens to be just as the south started to snap out of their century long experiment with institutionalized apartheid.

BTW: Ask these kids if the south used child labor.

[Tom In VA]

BTW: Ask these kids if the south used child labor.

So that refutes your argument that they didn't emulate the North. They did.

[BSmack]

So that refutes your argument that they didn't emulate the North. They did.

Are you off the wagon Tom? I'm talking about macroeconomics and you're hung up on child labor.

[Tom In VA]

So that refutes your argument that they didn't emulate the North. They did.

Are you off the wagon Tom?

Nice. I'm just yankin' yer chain, that's the yankee in me, bustin' your ballz, hey Vinny.

[BSmack]

Yes, of course. Cotton is no longer in use today because of synthetic fibers. Dumbass.

The 1970s alone would have plunged the south into an economic collapse.

sin

[Tom In VA]

Yes, of course. Cotton is no longer in use today because of synthetic fibers. Dumbass.

The 1970s alone would have plunged the south into an economic collapse.

sin

Due props for the WKRP reset. RACK

[Goober McTuber]

You're about as credible as a piece of shit commenting on what smells good vs. what smells bad.

Struck a nerve much?

Enjoy thinking you have, it's all you got.

Did you rent that sense of humor from Terry in Crapchester?

[Tom In VA]

Did you rent that sense of humor from Terry in Crapchester?

I thought this was fun and games and now you gotta go below the belt. What gives ?

[Dinsdale]

Did you rent that sense of humor from Terry in Crapchester?

I thought this was fun and games and now you gotta go below the belt. What gives ?

That was pretty mean.


I'm thinking we should revitalize Atlanta's economy again.

[BSmack]

I'm thinking we should revitalize Atlanta's economy again.

No need to. Atlanta now has more northerners than Buffalo, Syracuse and Rochester combined. Including two of my brothers. It's amazing how much more civilized the south has become.

[Sirfindafold]

Yes, of course. Cotton is no longer in use today because of synthetic fibers. Dumbass.

The 1970s alone would have plunged the south into an economic collapse.

sin

Due props for the WKRP reset. RACK

Only a fag would reset WKRP and not post a picture of Loni Anderson

[Dinsdale]

Burn it anyway, just to be safe.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Dang, sorry to break into this discussion, but I be a stickler for movie trivia...

I told you so....we would let the nojjers in, the spics in, and the Chinks and Jews in, but we did not want the goddamn Irish. Now look what has happened....

Sincerely,

Slim Pickens

I think you meant..David Huddleston.


Thank you -- carry on.

[Derron]

^^^^^^^ yes I stand corrected....Slim had the shit fit after being told that...

godamn...now I gottat go get a shit load of dimes... my bad....

[Derron]

Yea, slavery was so much better.

Nobody said it was Polly. But enjoy your delusions of moral superiority.

Who was talking about morality? Slavery retarded the southern economy. That it was a moral abomination is secondary to this discussion.

[smirking]Yeah... and they have made sooooo much progress since those days, those fucking economy's just kick ass now.[/smirking]