Rack the Hall of fame voters for finally Putting Wehrli in

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:03 pm

your new class of famers

Gene Hickerson
Michael Irvin
Bruce Matthews
Charlie Sanders
Thurman Thomas
Roger Wehrli

about time the fucking hall got it right, roger is one of the best corners that ever played, look at the facts, his stats, and ask anyone who tried to throw his way.

some of his stats dwarfed other corners voted in.

like many of the great players and coaches, and qb's said, "the reason he didn't have more interceptions, was you noone wanted to throw his way".

During his playing days, al davis tried to trade for him every season, he was that damn good.

that doesn't include the great punt returner he was.

cheers to a great cardinal and tiger

Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:08 pm

Irvin getting in before Monk is a fucking travesty. If that fucking piece of shit wasn't working for ESPN, he wouldnt have got in this quick.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:09 pm

just because he played for the cardinals should of never been a reason for not getting in.

if he played in NY, he would of been a first ballot, and sucked off nightly by east coast tards as the greatest corner.

nice article about roger in todays paper, bravo bernie(fatass, not kckid fat)micklasz

It's election day for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and another opportunity for the voters to honor Roger Wehrli.

Wehrli, a superb and technically pure cornerback for the St. Louis Cardinals from 1969 through 1982, is a finalist for the Hall of Fame for the second time. There are 17 finalists on this year's ballot, but there's a cap on the number of new inductees each year, so no more than six of the 17 will be voted in Saturday.

A 40-member committee will determine Wehrli's fate. And he's running out of time; after next year, Wehrli will be moved to the jurisdiction of the Seniors Committee. But that talent pool already is overstocked with NFL players who didn't get the call to the hall in Canton, Ohio.

I'm one of the 40 committee members. I will make the official presentation on Wehrli's behalf. I am told he's a long shot to win the vote. Perhaps we can spring an upset.
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Wehrli certainly meets Hall of Fame standards. Here's a partial preview of the case I have prepared for No. 22:

— There are only seven pure cornerbacks in the Hall. Of the seven, Wehrli was named to as many or more Pro Bowls (seven) than five of the CBs already in Canton. Wehrli was named first-team All-Pro as many or more times (five) than five of the seven CBs already in the Hall.

— Wehrli was voted to the 1970s All-Decade team. And all seven current Hall of Fame cornerbacks were named to All-Decade teams. So why is Wehrli different?

— During the 1970s, no NFL cornerback was named to more Pro Bowls, or bestowed with more All-Pro honors, than Wehrli. And at no point did Wehrli benefit from a Pro Bowl, or All-Pro, teammate on the defensive line who could rush the passer and cause interceptions. He didn't have the benefit of getting Hall-of-Fame caliber pressure up front from a teammate such as Howie Long, Joe Greene, Willie Davis, Alex Karras.

— Wehrli made 40 interceptions in his career; some critics believe that's a low number. Actually this is a compliment to Wehrli, because it shows how quarterbacks avoided throwing to his side of the field. Hard to make picks when QBs are avoiding you. And when they challenged him? During Wehrli's peak decade, the 1970s, 13 of his 32 interceptions occurred in the end zone, or inside the St. Louis 20-yard line. And 15 of the 32 interceptions either prevented an opponent's go-ahead scoring drive, or set up a St. Louis possession that tied the game or gave his team the lead.

— Testimonials? Roger Staubach told me Wehrli was the best CB he ever faced. Sonny Jurgensen said he gave up on the idea of beating Wehrli and attacked the corner on the opposite side. Respected NFL personnel expert Ron Wolf, who built champions in Oakland and Green Bay, said Wehrli is one of the six or seven best CBs in NFL history. John Madden told me that Raiders owner Al Davis was so obsessed with Wehrli's excellence, that he tried to trade for Wehrli every offseason. In terms of technique, Madden said Wehrli was among the three or four best corners who ever played.

Why wouldn't Wehrli make it? I can only guess. But I know this: It isn't Wehrli's fault that he didn't play in New York, or on the East Coast, or for a Super Bowl champion. So why punish him because it was his fate to spend his career with an unsuccessful team in the Midwest?

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Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:21 pm

....and no Ray Guy.

Monk and Derrick Thomas got screwed as well.

Facefuck a subway and die, Hall of Fame voters.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:27 pm

Art Monk doesn't belong in the hall of fame.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:44 pm

Cicero wrote:Irvin getting in before Monk is a fucking travesty. If that fucking piece of shit wasn't working for ESPN, he wouldnt have got in this quick.

It's definitely a shame Monk isn't in yet.

RACK Charlie Sanders

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:47 pm

Raydah James wrote:Derrick Thomas got screwed as well.

Damn, but you're the last person I ever expected to see defend DT.

In fact, had he been elected, you're about the first person I would've expected to see in here saying he didn't deserve it because of his off the field indiscretions.

And I wouldn't have been able to argue with you. I don't see DT ever making it in.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:01 pm

Tom In VA wrote:Art Monk doesn't belong in the hall of fame.

750 receptions, 11,904 yards, and 65 touchdowns

vs.

940 receptions, 12,721 receiving yards, 68 touchdowns.

One of these 2 players retired as the all time leader in catches. Both have rings.

Which one belongs in the hall of fame again?

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:07 pm

I'm just happy that Thurman made it in.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:14 pm

War Wagon wrote:
Raydah James wrote:Derrick Thomas got screwed as well.
In fact, had he been elected, you're about the first person I would've expected to see in here saying he didn't deserve it because of his off the field indiscretions.

And I wouldn't have been able to argue with you. I don't see DT ever making it in.

The hall doesnt take "Off the field indiscretions" into account (See Michael Irvin's crack smoking bitch ass)

And dont mistake my hatred for all things period red for respect. DT was a fucking monster wreaking havoc all over the field on his worst days and was simply an incredible force who needed to be gameplanned for extensively week in and week out.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:43 pm

Raydah James wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:Art Monk doesn't belong in the hall of fame.

750 receptions, 11,904 yards, and 65 touchdowns

vs.

940 receptions, 12,721 receiving yards, 68 touchdowns.

One of these 2 players retired as the all time leader in catches. Both have rings.

Which one belongs in the hall of fame again?

You could also throw in another member of the Posse that has comparable numbers to Crackhead but doesn't even get a sniff at the HoF.

699 receptions, 10,856 yards, 65 touchdowns

These receivers put up these numbers when the best QB they had throwing to them was Theisman, mind you.

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 10:58 pm

RACK x 2

Monk doesn't belong????

laughable

(maybe that was the point?)

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:16 pm

^^^^

Gets it. Sort of, but I'm not joking. I'm actually so pissed right now.

RJ,

Monk doesn't belong in the hall of fame because a bunch of pencil neck geek writers, many of whom probably never dipped a mouthpiece in boiling water to form it, i.e. played football ....... have just diluted and cheapened the honor of being in hall of fame. They've testified to what a fucking joke and political game it is. Fuck them. I hope Art Monk never gets in, he's TOO GOOD for it now.

Of course, by tomorrow, I'll hope he gets in next year because

He does belong in it. If Largent is in there for pete's sake ... oh fuck 'em.

WAR Art Monk

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:08 am

Tom In VA wrote:....... have just diluted and cheapened the honor of being in hall of fame. They've testified to what a fucking joke and political game it is. Fuck them. I hope Art Monk never gets in, he's TOO GOOD for it now.

Kinda' the way some here feel about Buck O'Neil not being enshrined in Cooperstown.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:18 am

Tom In VA wrote:Art Monk doesn't belong in the hall of fame.

If true then Irvin deserves it even less.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:57 am

T REX wrote:
Tom In VA wrote:Art Monk doesn't belong in the hall of fame.
If true then Irvin deserves it even less.

My initial post was one of resigned disgust. I've explained myself in a subsequent post.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 2:27 am

Gotcha.

Fucking ESPN......they slant the news to fit their entertainment agenda. Where does objective reporting end and the lobbying begin?

kcdave · Post by **kcdave** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:03 am

Worst snub of this years class?

Tags.

Its been about 6 hours since I caught the news, and Im still shocked. So much for the "Good Ole Boy," network.

DamnTheCowboys · Post by **DamnTheCowboys** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:47 am

This is about as excited as you ever saw him get

While we are doing comparisons to other receivers who are in the Hall of Fame, here are a few more:

Lynn Swann

336 catches, 5,462 yards, 51 tds. Just keep rolling that Super Bowl catch he made, ESPN.

John Stallworth

537 catches 8,723 yards, 63 tds

Charlie Joiner

750 catches, 12,146 yards, 65 tds.

^^^^^^

If Monk's not in, then remove those three overrated sons of bitches.

420 · Post by **420** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:09 am

Easyyyyy there... Food Channel guy.

Those guys belong in there. As well as Monk.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:52 am

Irvin getting in is a joke.
Maybe not as great a joke as Lynn Swann being in, but a definite joke.

There are just 18 modern day (late-1940ish on to today) receivers in the hall.
It's a select group, and with that few in the hall, you typically need to clearly be one of the top 2 or maybe 3 receivers of your era.

In Irvin's era, he is no better than the 5th best .... and maybe lower than that.

Jerry Rice
Tim Brown
Andre Reed
Cris Carter

All better.

A strong case can be made for Irving Fryar being better also.
And Andre Rison is right there.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:45 pm

poptart wrote:Irvin getting in is a joke.

Bitter fuck.

Look at Irvin's playoff numbers. Look at how he did against the better CB's in his day, like Darrell Green, etc.
And Green was the first guy who called to congrat Irvin.

Fuck the numbers. Dude was, with Aikman and Smith, the heart and soul of a team that won 3 Super Bowls, appeared in 4 NFC title games, and won 6 Division titles. And all three will be in the Hall one day.

Maybe thats what the Hall of Fame is looking for, guys who perform their best when the most is on the line. That would include Swann and Irvin.

Brown? Fryar better? Bwahh, thats a joke.

Oh well, scoreboard Irvin (as usual)

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:42 pm

As much as I want to see Bills of that era in the HOF, I think that Steve Tasker should get in before/instead of Andre Reed.

420 · Post by **420** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:02 pm

Enough with this bullshit about how many yards and how many years some guy played as a determining factor for the HOF.

The HOF should be the best of the best who ever played the game, period!

Are you going to kick this guy on the left out of the HOF because he only played 5 1/2 seasons in the NFL???

By the way... those two in the picture are arguably the 2 greatest football players of All-Time in the NFL.

All he did was have 9,435 net yards in 5 1/2 seasons, and 22 TD's in his "Rookie" season when they only played 14 games a year.

And the fucker did it on the Chicago Bears which have always had shit offenses.

Would you have him kicked out?

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:04 pm

Mississippi Neck wrote:Brown? Bwahh, thats a joke.

I was waiting for the first dumbfuck to trip over thier own arby vagflap concerning this horseshit joke of a vote.

Congrats on being the first cunt to spot all over the floor, Missislurping meatturtleNecks.

The numbers arent fucking comparible in any way, shape, or form:

Brown retired with 14,934 receiving yards-the second-highest total in NFL history.

1,094 receptions (3rd)

100 touchdown catches (3rd)

Brown also gained 190 rushing yards, 3,272 punt-return yards (10.2 yard average), and 1,235 yards returning kickoffs for a total of 19,682 combined yards, ranking him #5 among the NFL's all-time leaders in that category at the time of his retirement. He also scored 105 total touchdowns (100 receiving, 1 rushing, 3 punt returns, 1 kickoff return)

He also made nine fucking pro bowls.

Factor in that Jay Schroeder, Jeff Hostetler, Todd M, Donald Hollas, and Jeff George were among the QB's he had slinging him the rock, and the stats become that much more impressive. I wont even go into the fact that we had NO running game and james jett opposite of him for almost half of his career while he was in his prime as our go to #1.

You're right-its no fucking contest. Brown was twice the player Irvin ever was.

Lay down and shut the fuck up, tard-you're done.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:32 pm

Tim Brown helped lead the Raiders to how many Super Bowls? One..bwahh. And a loss at that.

Bottom line is Irvin made the plays to help his team win championships, whereas Brown did not. Thats what HofF voters remember. Don't worry Timmy will be in the Hall and you can beat off during the ceremony.

Meanwhile its still Scoreboard for Irvin.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:33 pm

e wrote:
Toddowen wrote:So now, the debate will be whether Irvin deserves in on the 1st ballot.

Personality aside, I vote yes.

However, I would've liked to have heard him moan for at least a year over not getting selected.
are you really this stupid in real life? this was his third try.

No shit. Nice Todd. Nice.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:38 pm

e wrote:where does irvin get off saying "it was worth the wait?" what wait? two misses before getting in? there were/are much more deservin players who had to way far longer than three years to get in to the HOF. i would tell him to shut the hell up but there is nothing in his past that shows he has the capacity to do that.

Worse than that, he said that "off the field" stuff matters. Really? If it did Michael, then your ass would be waiting yet another year or 10 to get in the Hall.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:43 pm

Any discussion of worthy WR's who've been snubbed by the HoF should always include this guy. Hell, was he ever even on the ballot?

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 7:50 pm

Bottom line: Its a fucking joke and a half that Irvin made it over Monk.

Even taking MN's "championship" criteria into consideration, Monk (who has 3 rings himself) should've made it in looooong before Tyrone Biggums.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:50 pm

Raydah James wrote:Bottom line: Its a fucking joke and a half that Irvin made it over Monk.

Even taking MN's "championship" criteria into consideration, Monk (who has 3 rings himself) should've made it in looooong before Tyrone Biggums.

I dont disagree. Monk should have made it loonng ago.

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:53 pm

Toddowen wrote:
Mississippi Neck wrote:
e wrote: are you really this stupid in real life? this was his third try.
No shit. Nice Todd. Nice.
So what. Just because I don't follow the HoF voting statistics means that I'm a moron?

Off the top of your head, can either of you give me the formula to find true position of a feature to three datums?

I don't recall commenting on said matter. Thus there's no comparison.

Diego in Seattle · Post by **Diego in Seattle** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:51 pm

I think it's absolutely hilarious that Irvin gets in w/in a day or two of Goodell saying that he wanted the NFL to get rid of the outlaw/badboy image.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:56 pm

RACK Poptart

anyhoo, just too throw some gasoline on the fire, how many years of Monk's career was he not even the best receiver on his team?

"7"

Sin,
Gary Clark

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:13 am

Mississippi Neck wrote:Fuck the numbers. Dude was, with Aikman and Smith, the heart and soul of a team that won 3 Super Bowls, appeared in 4 NFC title games, and won 6 Division titles.

Irvin benefitted from playing on a machine of an offense.
Hand it off to Emmitt behind a GREAT offensive line ...... time after time after time .....
Defense gets sucked in closer and closer trying to shut that down, very often freeing Irvin to get one-on-one coverage outside with a smaller corner.
Bang, hit 'em with a big one.

Irvin benefitted from that offense more than visa versa.
Much more.

Irvin was an excellent player, don't get me wrong.
And you're right, he made big plays in post-season.

But he was not as good as Rice, Brown (9 pro bowls), Reed (7 pro bowls), or Carter (8 pro bowls).
Irvin went to 5 pro bowls.

Any of those guys I mentioned would have earned 3 Super Bowl rings just like Irvin did if they had been fortunate enough to have been on that Cowboy offense.

Irvin is no better than the 5th best receiver of his era, and that don't cut it.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:43 pm

Raydah James wrote: Both have rings.

Which one belongs in the hall of fame again?

The one with the most rings.

Tom In VA · Post by **Tom In VA** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:46 pm

DallasFanatic wrote:
Raydah James wrote: Both have rings.

Which one belongs in the hall of fame again?
The one with the most rings of crack pipe smoke wafting above his head.

FTFY :P

Mississippi Neck · Post by **Mississippi Neck** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:30 pm

poptart wrote: But he was not as good as Rice, Brown (9 pro bowls), Reed (7 pro bowls), or Carter (8 pro bowls).
Irvin went to 5 pro bowls.

Any of those guys I mentioned would have earned 3 Super Bowl rings just like Irvin did if they had been fortunate enough to have been on that Cowboy offense.

Hell no, Irvin was not as good as Rice. Never said that.
I'm not sure I would use Pro Bowls as the ultimate measure of a player's greatness.

Would Brown, Reed, or Carter earned three rings on the 90's Cowboys? Maybe...maybe not. I do know that Irvin's talent AND leadership helped guide the Cowboys to three rings. That much is certain. Irvin did what he had to do to help win three rings, and that's all that can be said. In my mind, and the minds of the HofF voters that was enough to get him in on his third try.

Sirfindafold · Post by **Sirfindafold** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:44 pm

Mississippi Neck wrote:Irvin's leadership.....

You're a fuckin' jerkoff.

DallasFanatic · Post by **DallasFanatic** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:47 pm

Sirfindafold wrote:
Mississippi Neck wrote:Irvin's leadership.....

You're a fuckin' jerkoff.

Speak of what you know jackass. Noone can question Irvins leadership on that Cowboys squad. Dude was flat out the leader on the sidelines and in the clubhouse.

HOF voters out front should have told you that.