For What It's Worth

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:43 am

there's something happening here

what it is ain't exactly clear

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee046ff204

there's a man with a gun over there...

tellin' me I got to beware..

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:05 am

Did you cum?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:23 am

I think it's time we better stop,

hey, what's that sound?

Everybody look what's goin' round....

http://www.flurl.com/item/no_need_for_recycle_u_198481
http://www.flurl.com/item/shelling_brit ... e_u_198480

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:57 am

paranoia strikes deep.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:07 am

A thousand people in the street...

http://www.flurl.com/item/001_movie_1_u_198487

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:42 pm

lts tard on the wrong side of an issue...

whooda thunkit?

TenTallBen · Post by **TenTallBen** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:39 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee046ff204

Can these nitwits mix in a tripod or something? Why do they always put the jihadist with tourettes on camera duty?

Worthless fucks.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:53 pm

What a field day for the heat,

singing songs and carrying signs

http://www.flurl.com/item/a16_u_203563
http://www.flurl.com/item/a54_u_203570

mostly saying hooray for our side

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:14 am

Into your hearts it will creep...

http://www.flurl.com/item/052W_u_217932

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:28 pm

15 years from now they'll all be wearing suits,
toting business brief cases, and keeping an eye
on the DOW !!

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 2:34 pm

50 years from now--
they’ll be sitting in
their lanais drinking--
Beast Lite and
reminiscing about the--
old days in CNY.
Crazy times!!

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:42 am

We see what's going on, and we're horrified!

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:20 am

88 wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:A thousand people in the street...

That sign might as well have said:

HEY! LOOK AT US! WE'RE RADICALS!
ABERCROMBE AND FITCH

A couple of those girls seem destined for the Bangbus.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:31 pm

Well, a bunch of vile neocons want to invade and destroy Iran. Just like Iraq. Now beside the point that Iran has NEVER attacked anyone since Cyrus the Great, let's admit that YOU know nothing of Iran--except, as usual, just what the right-wing media machine has dolloped into your nervous and constantly distracted headspace. SO check out this little reminder by our good friend Cat Stevens (who, of course, like so many others was completely accurate in predicting a disaster concerning the invasion of Iraq),

http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html

Here's more from our TRILLION dollar Quagmire

Stpo, children, what's that sound, etc...

http://ia311502.us.archive.org/3/items/KJU0O/kg.wmv
http://www.archive.org/download/KJU0O/kg.wmv
http://www.savefile.info/download.php?id=91C4206E
http://www.savefile.info/download.php?id=F2E59AE2

Rich Fader · Post by **Rich Fader** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:46 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Well, a bunch of vile neocons want to invade and destroy Iran. Just like Iraq. Now beside the point that Iran has NEVER attacked anyone since Cyrus the Great...

NEVER? We call bullshit.

Sincerely,
The staff of the American Embassy, Tehran, November 1979

Rich Fader · Post by **Rich Fader** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:49 pm

By the way...

1. That in itself was and is enough for Iran to get a beating.
2. I've thought that ever since the deal at the embassy happened when I was in high school.
3. I'm not a neocon, because I've never been a liberal.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:20 pm

Of course you're not a neocon, or a liberal, or anything, Fader. you're the prototypical distracted twirp who gets his information from FOX News, etc. and doesn't really think too much about anything. Such as the fact that our embassy in Tehran was in direct service to the Shah, as it were, and the policies and social design we'd implemented thereof. We'd installed the Shah, you may recall after organizing a coup of the duly elected secular president of Iran. The Shah was a brutal murderous dictator. The Iranian people really didn't like that. Get it?

Here, pretend you're in this Bradley
http://www.flurl.com/item/2_14Higgri_u_227601

The Seer · Post by **The Seer** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:45 am

Nuke Iran, but we should wait until you are vacationing there....

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:04 am

PSUFAN wrote:
A couple of those girls seem destined for the Bangbus.

RACK all Bangbus references!

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 3:26 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Well, a bunch of vile neocons want to invade and destroy Iran. Just like Iraq. Now beside the point that Iran has NEVER attacked anyone since Cyrus the Great, let's admit that YOU know nothing of Iran--except, as usual, just what the right-wing media machine has dolloped into your nervous and constantly distracted headspace.

Go read Bob Baer's books - Not that it will change your opinion since your all "Can't we just get along" and shit.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:41 am

I'm familiar with Baer's analysis. Notice how he simply assumes a Lockheed-style paradigm of "Western Interests" and how he doesn't factor in Israel at all as a primary cause of (not-so)creeping Islamic Fumdamentalism.
Bottom line, Iran has never attacked anyone (marauding imperialist military invaders not included) and NO ONE except Israel wants to see Iran neutralized. Just like Iraq. Wake the fuck up.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:47 am

LTS TRN 2 wrote: Bottom line, Iran has never attacked anyone (marauding imperialist military invaders not included)

Bullshit,

sin,

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:03 am

Wrong. Didn't you read the earlier post? What, you're such a moron you need it explained every time?

The "attack" upon the U.S. embassy was nothing more than a nation eructing the hairball of post-colonial imperialism, as it were. Or what? You're totally ignorant of the U.S./British manipulation of Iran after they deposed its duly elected secular president? Huh? Are you just a fucking idiot? Or are you not getting enough lead?
http://www.flurl.com/item/sniping_u_223482

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:14 am

LTS IGNR FCTS 2 wrote:Iran has never attacked anyone

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:19 pm

mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:The "attack" upon the U.S. embassy was nothing more than...
...an act of war that the cowardly peanut farming dildo from Georgia masquerading as our "President" did absolutely nothing to confront.

Well, then it was a good thing Ronnie Rayguns was there to unleash all kinds of unholy hell upon Iran after Carter was voted out.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:11 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:I'm familiar with Baer's analysis. Notice how he simply assumes a Lockheed-style paradigm of "Western Interests" and how he doesn't factor in Israel at all as a primary cause of (not-so)creeping Islamic Fumdamentalism.

Huh? Western Interest's would be us, all of us.... unless your seeing a Sandstorm outside your window right now.
As for Isreal, yea... there's backlash towards the West for protecting Isreal, but in the bigger picture, it's a belief that if your not Shia your an infidel and deserve to die. That's Jews, Christians, Hindu's, Moonies, Sunni's and us good old pagans.

If you've read Baer, which it sounds more like you've just read crib notes, you'd get that.

Bottom line, Iran has never attacked anyone (marauding imperialist military invaders not included)

No, they're far smarter than to Issue a "declaration of War" and get their asses blown back to Allah,
Instead, they fund through their reveloutionary guard; Hezbollah, and just about any other Shia backed groupthat's willing to blow themselves up and take as many infidels with them as possible.

Iran has been linked to Bombing the US Embassy in Beirut & The Marine barracks in Khobar, The US & French embassies in Kuwait the Kidnapping and murder of former CIA director Bill Buckley for starters. There's their ongoing support of the Mahdi millitia in Iraq (of which we are now nabbing their agents) and then that whole little thing about Ahmadinejad wanting to wipe Isreal off the map, while claiming to develop nukes for peacful purposes.

and NO ONE except Israel wants to see Iran neutralized.

Wrong again. All of the Arab countires want Iran nuetralized. They see the threats to the "democracies" and Monarchies that Iran poses - Iran wants to establish Islamic Theocracies throughout the entire Middle East and Central Asia. The only difference betweem them and the Wahabbi's & Islamic Brotherhood (Al Quida) is Sunni vs. Shia.

You need to read up before you start spouting ignorant opinions

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:37 pm

And the "evidence" for all these claims?

Let's see, in the current smear campaign/run-up to attack Iran we just had the Defense department "present" it's case.....and it was ALL unsourced anonymous "officials" whose reports were sealed and not actually seen by reporters. Huh?

What kind of preposterous bullshit are we supposed to swallow? Oh, that's right, seventy percent or so of Americans STILL believe there was some connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda!

Sure, there's a long standing emnity between the Arabs and the Persians, but the only war was effectively instigated and backed by Rummy and Cheney

That is, WE attacked Iran, causing the death of about a MILLION people.

"Western Interests"?

As for Israel, is there anyone in the current government who is NOT being indicted?
These vile criminals are not only the source of Islamic Fundamentalist recruiting, but are actively promoting violence and terror both in Palestine and throughout the region.

WW

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:01 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:And the "evidence" for all these claims?

Your chief arguement seems to be......

Isreal
Isreal

and.........

Isreal

If you read what I wrote, you'd understand it. If you understood it, you'd have actually adressed it.

Seriously, go read "Sleeping with the Devil" - Baer has no agenda, he torches every administration from Carter forward.
He also has a better grasp on the entire Iran / Iraq / Saudi / Islamic Fundamentalist paradigm than anyone I've ever read.

420 · Post by **420** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:09 pm

KC Scott wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:And the "evidence" for all these claims?

Your chief arguement seems to be......

Isreal
Isreal

and.........

Isreal

What about "Israel"?

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:36 pm

Well, I can't spell it correctly for one.....

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:54 pm

Okay, but how about something else? How about an actual take on Israel's role in the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism (start with a chart--you know, how many significant Fundamentalist groups before 1948, and how many since)?

How about Baer's "torching" of Israeli administrations, policies, etc.--gee, I can't seem to find that. Can you provide some?

Perhaps he has some interesting comments on this desert-blooming moment in that race-state's brief history,
http://www.yigalamir.com/kempler_video.htm

I certainly don't ignore or underestimate the growth and danger of Fundamentalist Muslims (or Christers) but my basic take is that Israel is and has been since its inception the great impetus for these fanatics (Christers too) and needs to be addressed--preferably in the same manner as its fellow class of '48 apartheid state, South Africa.

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:09 pm

Well, the Taliban for starters. If it did exist at all before 1948 it was in no way significant (yeah, you ignored that part). Same with AL Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah. These groups have only become significant--that is actual players--elected officials, community programs and STREET CRED--in the wake of the Zionist invasion.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:11 pm

Since you've never heard of a Islamic nutjob group before 1948, it must mean that Israel is responsible for all of it, right?

To hell with the idea that modern communications came to the Middle East post-WW2, and even if such groups did exist on a small scale(without modern communications to organize themselves with), you wouldn't have heard anything about them.

Toss these obvious bits of logic aside, and blame Israel for everything. And nevermind that Israel didn't conquer their "enemy" when they had every opposrtunity to, but instead chose to give them their land back, and create a haven for those that tried to destroy them(a move they must surely regret, since they could have done it with ease).

Just blame Israel. It makes you a big hit with the wannabe-hipsters in big-framed glasses in the coffeeshop. I admire Crisco for this -- what better way for an under-21 dude to score ass in a coffee house than to break out the "blame Israel and those big mean bulldozers" card?

Oh...he's not under-21?

Time to up your game, dude. Maybe start with "you look nice this evening," and "can I buy you a drink"...you know, stuff like that. You should probably leave out the part about making out with dudes, though.

KC Scott · Post by **KC Scott** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:17 pm

mvscal wrote:
LTS TRN 2 wrote:(start with a chart--you know, how many significant Fundamentalist groups before 1948, and how many since)?
Name one Islamic Fundamentalist group with post-1948 origins.

Good luck...

He has no clue.

The Wahabbi's roots trace back to the early 1700's - and they were the ones that took in Saud as he was creating the kingdon in the early 1900's - long before Israel was ever a thought.

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded as an overthrow group in the 70's - Not an overthrow of Israel, but an over throw of the Syrian Allawites and in particular president Asad.

On the shia side, Hezbollah can be traced as founded by Iran to drive the Jews out of Lebannon

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:18 pm

mvscal wrote:
Name one Islamic Fundamentalist group with post-1948 origins.

Good luck...

So you don't think of HAMAS as an Islamic Fundamentalist group, or are you going to try and spin their founding as not being in '87?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:24 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Since you've never heard of a Islamic nutjob group before 1948, it must mean that Israel is responsible for all of it, right?

To hell with the idea that modern communications came to the Middle East post-WW2, and even if such groups did exist on a small scale(without modern communications to organize themselves with), you wouldn't have heard anything about them.

Toss these obvious bits of logic aside, and blame Israel for everything. And nevermind that Israel didn't conquer their "enemy" when they had every opposrtunity to, but instead chose to give them their land back, and create a haven for those that tried to destroy them(a move they must surely regret, since they could have done it with ease).

.

Huh? What planet of gaseous muck are you coming from? Look, the Zionists INVADED. The Arabs did not invade Europe and Russia. And when the Arabs sought to repel and reject the invading race-state they were met with an overwhelming arsenal of American supplied weaponry. This arsenal now contains approximately 200 completely ILLEGALLY produced nukes with delivery systems.

The ZIonist state far from "giving back" anything, has continued to steal and divide Palestinian land. The Israeli nation now runs the biggest concentration camp in the world--occupying a population which has suffered under occupation now longer than any other group in history. This is what Israel "does." Running a Concentration Camp is their defining characteristic. How malignant can a race-state experiment go wrong, we might ask. Just look at Tel Aviv. Did you watch the Rabin Assination video? It's pretty interesting.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:34 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:The Arabs did not invade Europe and Russia. And when the Arabs sought to repel and reject the invading race-state they were met with an overwhelming arsenal of American supplied weaponry.

No, they sure didn't.

They did, however, invade Jerusalem, about 1300 years ago, or thereabouts.

What part of "Arab Invasion" are you not understanding?

They chose to live by the sword, and take lands from other peoples. Now, payback is a bitch, ain't it? If the Arabs hadn't invaded Jrusalem in the FIRST PLACE, we wouldn't be having this discussion, now would we?

Just because Islamic Fundies want to you forget large chunks of history, it doesn't mean you have to, in the interest of scoring chicks at Evergreen State College.

Maybe Great Britian should give their land back to Italy?

LTS TRN 2 · Post by **LTS TRN 2** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:36 pm

So what? The fact that Israel has indeed been the biggest recruiting tool (along with the Quagmire--the worst decision in America's history) for these groups is completely obvious--and denials of this are part and parcel of Israel supporters' defensive smear routine, with which babs marches along creepily in lock-step.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:39 pm

LTS TRN 2 wrote:The fact that Israel has indeed been the biggest recruiting tool

Another complete mistruth? Who woulda thunk it?

The greatest recruiting tool for these tards (and any other large, politically-motivated group of tards) is severe finacial mismanagement of a nations resources and overall economy.

Period. EOS. Not up for debate, unless you're an idiot.

Moving Sale · Post by **Moving Sale** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 11:46 pm

mvscal wrote:
...
or are you going to try and spin their founding as not being in '87?
Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, dumbfuck.

You picked Option 2.

Thanx for playing.

T1B

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