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"Losing" a laptop is bad enough, but...


Just how the fuck do you "lose" a motherfucking machine gun?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/07/18 ... f_laptops/
FBI ‘loses’ hundreds of laptops and guns Where did they see them last?
By John Leyden Published Wednesday 18th July 2001 10:47 GMT

An audit on the FBI has revealed it is missing hundreds of laptop computers, many of which are believed to have been stolen from under the nose of the agency.

Ashen-faced FBI officials have been forced to admit 184 computers are unaccounted for and that three of these machines are believed have sensitive material on their hard disks, and one is known to hold classified data. Of the missing machines 13 are believed to have been nicked.

To make matters worse 449 weapons - including some sub-machine guns among the cache of handguns- are missing from the Bureau's armoury, of which 265 were lost and 184 stolen, according to officials.

The frankly quite alarming losses came to light during the course of comprehensive audit of the agency carried out on behalf of the US Department of Justice.

FBI officials said that the bureau has roughly 50,000 guns and 13,000 computers, or at least they did last time they looked.

Last year the State Department admitted that it had "misplaced" a laptop containing highly classified information and agents of Britains security services have been known to leave laptops in Tapas bar after a night on the razz, so the phenomenon of spooks not taking care of PCs is hardly unknown. However the extent of the FBI's loss will be extremely hard for the agency, which is trusted with America's domestic security, to explain away.

The losses reportedly took place over the course of 11 years and are attributed a variety of causes including retiring agents keeping hold of weapons and the loss of laptops as they were been transferred around the different offices that shared them. This doesn't go anywhere near getting the FBI off the hook on the issue or restoring public trust in the organisation, which has suffered a series of setbacks in recent months.

Chief among these is the arrest of FBI agent Robert Hanssen, after his admission that he spied for the Russians for the best part of two decades, selling closely guarded secrets to the Soviet Union. The Bureau is also accused of screwing up an investigation into a scientist who is accused of stealing secrets from the Los Alamos nuclear research facility.

Attorney-General John Ashcroft is expected to make a statement on the missing equipment and the issue is sure the crop up when two senior FBI officials appear before the powerful Senate Judiciary Committee today. ®
Oh... wait. My bad. That story was from 5 years ago.

THIS is the latest loss tally
FBI lost laptops, weapons, report says
One of the 160 missing computers had agents' names and addresses.
By Adam Schreck, Times Staff Writer
February 13, 2007


WASHINGTON — The FBI lost 160 laptops — including at least 10 containing sensitive or classified data and one with names and addresses of agents — sometime from February 2002 to September 2005, according to a report released Monday by the Justice Department.

Inspector General Glenn A. Fine also reported that 160 weapons disappeared during the same period.

Fine's report grew out of an audit examining FBI efforts to keep tabs on its equipment. Progress has been made, he said, but more must be done.

"This is a significant deficiency," Fine wrote in the report. "Without knowing the content of these lost and stolen laptops, it is impossible for the FBI to determine the extent of the damage these losses might have had on its operations or on national security."

The bureau has an inventory of 26,166 laptops and 52,263 weapons, according to the report.

One of the missing laptops, stolen from a facility in Quantico, Va., held the "names, addresses and telephone numbers of FBI personnel," the report stated.

Another, stolen from the Boston field office, contained software to create identification badges, and one taken from the department's security division contained a "system security plan for an electronic access control system."

The bureau does not know what sensitive or classified information was on six other laptops, and is uncertain whether 51 other machines — including seven missing from the bureau's counter-terrorism and counterintelligence divisions — carried such high-value data.

The security measures on FBI laptops include encryption software and passwords, bureau spokesman Paul Bresson said.

In a statement, FBI Assistant Director of Public Affairs John Miller highlighted the bureau's progress in reducing the loss of equipment and disagreed with the report's conclusions about the number of missing weapons.

"Nonetheless, we acknowledge more needs to be done to ensure the proper handling of the loss and theft of weapons and laptops, and the information maintained on them," he said.

A 2002 inspector general's audit found that 317 laptops had disappeared, along with 212 working weapons and 142 inoperable ones, during a 28-month period.

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1. If anybody but the FBI lost that kind of shit, the FBI would be fucking hauling them off to prison!

2. It sounds like the FBI is FULL of dipshi- errr.... Agents just like Rack Fu
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umm
perhaps the purchasing process is corrupt
and there are no pieces missing--just someone
ripping off $$ from us ???

just a thought
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Wolfman wrote:umm
perhaps the purchasing process is corrupt
and there are no pieces missing--just someone
ripping off $$ from us ???


just a thought

I'm not sure how you did it... but you just made Cuda's point better than he did.

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at least it is warm and there is no possibility of snow--
you done with my Milner avatar ??
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The FBI is a US Government Entity right?

They are just doing what everyone else in our various Government "ahem" Services are doing.

Several Billion dollars intended for (insert situation) is missing and unaccounted for by (insert Clusterfucked Government agency) but they promise to get right on it..............
oooooops!

Computers, Guns, Documents from the National Archives, ect. are missing but they promise to get right on it.....................
oooooops!

The only way to fix it would be to triple the Justice Department Funding to prosecute and hold people accountable for their actions but unfortunately they'll missappropriate and lose track of the new funding money and they have to "Get right on it!"

Nothing new here.....
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Wolfman wrote:at least it is warm and there is no possibility of snow--
Yeah, but its still south west florida.

GOOD TIMES!!! If you you're half way in the coffin.

PSSST!!! It doesn't snow here in San Francisco either, and we dont have to go to Applebee's for good food and culture.
Wolfman wrote:you done with my Milner avatar ??
What are you talking about???

Seriously, its time for a quick "change" and off to bed you go.
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at my age--if I'm 1/2 way in the grave--
that's a good thing !!
if it is you--
well
too bad !!

oh--and we have a lot more than Applebee's here--
(I've been to SF a couple time--have you ever been here ?)
and no bar skanks in them either !!
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Wolfman wrote:at my age--if I'm 1/2 way in the grave--
that's a good thing !!
I've been told. Getting old sucks ass. Way to hang in there and torture yourself.

Wolfman wrote:oh--and we have a lot more than Applebee's here--
Yeah, they're called cemetery's.
Wolfman wrote:(I've been to SF a couple time--have you ever been here ?)
Yeah, it was called a mistake. I was drinking and taking Lemon 714's one night with a chick, during my time at North Miami Senior High... fuck it, you'd never understand.
Wolfman wrote:and no bar skanks in them either !!
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I've never lost my laptop or guns. I have no control over everyone else and can only account for myself.

Laptop = check
Guns = check

Anything else?
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From what I've heard about the FBI and their computers, those are all probably DOS machines. About 8 MHz and 512K of RAM. Maybe 10 MB on the HD.

Nobody but an FBI agent is going to know how to get anything off them anyway, or be patient enough to wait for them to boot.
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mvscal wrote:Try losing just one secure item in the Army. They recall and lock down the entire unit and nobody goes home until it is returned. The CID will even "torture" the suspects.

The recovery rate is well over 90%.
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Rack Fu wrote:I've never lost my laptop or guns. I have no control over everyone else and can only account for myself.

Laptop = check
Guns = check

Anything else?
So what you're saying is that there are a shitload of FBI agents who are even bigger fuck-ups than you are?

That's just... mind-boggling
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Wolfman wrote:at my age--if I'm 1/2 way in the grave--
that's a good thing !!
if it is you--
well
too bad !!

oh--and we have a lot more than Applebee's here--
(I've been to SF a couple time--have you ever been here ?)
and no bar skanks in them either !!
(-:

...uh, cough, I'll take the 5th.
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Cuda wrote:
Rack Fu wrote:I've never lost my laptop or guns. I have no control over everyone else and can only account for myself.

Laptop = check
Guns = check

Anything else?
So what you're saying is that there are a shitload of FBI agents who are even bigger fuck-ups than you are?

That's just... mind-boggling
Nice spin. Where did I fuck up? My shit is accounted for and my t's are always crossed and my i's are always dotted.

Most of the missing guns and laptops were stolen. Shit happens. People break into houses, cars, gym lockers, ...whatever all the time. Guns and laptops follow money and jewelry as the most stolen items. That said, classified laptops should be under lock and key and should be theft-proof. No excuse for that.

There's no excuse for losing your shit either. How do you misplace your gun or laptop??? That's just idiotic.
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Mace wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Y2K wrote:They are just doing what everyone else in our various Government "ahem" Services are doing.
No, they aren't. Try losing just one secure item in the Army. They recall and lock down the entire unit and nobody goes home until it is returned. The CID will even "torture" the suspects.

The recovery rate is well over 90%.
Hmmm, are 10% of the units still in "lock down" waiting for the missing secured items to be returned? Probably the African-American units, right? Oh, wait......we don't segregate the soldiers anymore. Is that why you got out, mvscal? You know, if we really want to win the war in Iraq, we should be deploying all of those "genetically predisposed for violence" soldiers over there to get the job done.

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Mace wrote:
mvscal wrote:
Y2K wrote:They are just doing what everyone else in our various Government "ahem" Services are doing.
No, they aren't. Try losing just one secure item in the Army. They recall and lock down the entire unit and nobody goes home until it is returned. The CID will even "torture" the suspects.

The recovery rate is well over 90%.
Hmmm, are 10% of the units still in "lock down" waiting for the missing secured items to be returned? Probably the African-American units, right? Oh, wait......we don't segregate the soldiers anymore. Is that why you got out, mvscal? You know, if we really want to win the war in Iraq, we should be deploying all of those "genetically predisposed for violence" soldiers over there to get the job done.

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Wolfman wrote: (I've been to SF a couple time--have you ever been here ?)
and no bar skanks in them either !!
(-:
A few had
Adam's Apples but they
could really chug a beer
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maybe you can answer this, mvscal...

Up to now, your examples have been soldiers "appropriating" gear for their own personal use, but say a soldier out on patrol loses a weapon, or has it stolen without there having been any enemy engagement, that soldier is in some fairly deep shit too, right?
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Cuda wrote:maybe you can answer this, mvscal...

Up to now, your examples have been soldiers "appropriating" gear for their own personal use, but say a soldier out on patrol loses a weapon, or has it stolen without there having been any enemy engagement, that soldier is in some fairly deep shit too, right?
I think all weapons issued for a patrol would be checked out at the time of issue and any soldier that loses his weapon is going to report it immediately...same for having one stolen in the field. Which isn't likely.
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poptart wrote:marbles
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Husker4ever wrote:
I think all weapons issued for a patrol would be checked out at the time of issue and any soldier that loses his weapon is going to report it immediately...same for having one stolen in the field. Which isn't likely.
Would the reporting go down the same way the FBI does it?

Soldier: "Uh, Sarge... I think I may have misplaced my M-16... and maybe a couple few grenades"

Sarge: "What do you mean 'misplaced'?"

Soldier: "Well, it was in the humvee when we stopped for lunch, and I don't exactly remember it NOT being there when we were ready to roll again, but by the time we got back here, I couldn't find it to turn it back in"

Sarge: "What a fuck up. Did you look for it?"

Soldier: "Kind of... I mean stuff gets lost a lot around here and..."

Sarge: "You need to be more careful. Get the hell out of here and don't let it happen again"
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So it wouldn't be a "Get out of here and try not to fuck up again" kind of thing?
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You probably see what I'm getting at by now.

When some 19 year old sisterfucking hayseed from Bumfuck Arkansas gets his M-16 stolen out of the humvee, not only does he face the possibility of prison time, but his superiors could suddenly find their career flushed down the crapper, but when a highly educated, highly trained, cream-of-the-crop FBI agent leaves an MP5 on the back seat of his car while he knocks down a 3-martini lunch, and car, machine gun & lap-top loaded with highly classified data ain't where he parked it when he finally staqggers out of the bar, he gets to say "Well, heh, heh... shit happens".
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