More dirt on Rudy G

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:01 pm

And again, it is courtesy of his own campaign operatives. With friends like this...

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... iani1.html

Watching this asshole swan dive is going to be fucking beautiful. Can you just imagine his showing amongst the evangelical base of the GOP after they get a wiff of his statements on abortion? On the upside for Rudy, his predilection for cousin fucking might garner a few Southern votes.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:45 am

Do you really think that a candidate's abortion stance is going to be the hot button issue in this election? Seriously... With the exception of the rural south and the bible-belters, I'd say that on average most Republicans (and voters in general) are smart enough at this point to know that abortion is a SCOTUS issue and not one where a President's personal opinion means jack shit. Or haven't you been paying attention to who's been in the White House for the past 7 years and what he'd personally like to do to the Roe v. Wade decision if he had his druthers.

Anyway, while marrying his second cousin might be a bit creepy, it's hardly something that would discount someone from running or winning on its own. I mean, we're talking about a guy who's twice divorced and admittedly has personal flaws. I will give Giuliani that: He doesn't run from his past. He'll answer just about any question honestly, without the standard gobbledygook spin crap that seemingly every other politician does. Does that excuse his flaws? No, of course not. But at least the guy's accountable and up front about his past mistakes, which is more than I can say for our last two Presidents.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:38 pm

OCmike wrote:Do you really think that a candidate's abortion stance is going to be the hot button issue in this election?

It's just another ice cube in the tray. And Rudy's got a whole lot of them when it comes to the "values oriented" wing of the GOP.

Seriously... With the exception of the rural south and the bible-belters, I'd say that on average most Republicans (and voters in general) are smart enough at this point to know that abortion is a SCOTUS issue and not one where a President's personal opinion means jack shit.

Who the fuck do you think drives the GOP's nomination process?

Or haven't you been paying attention to who's been in the White House for the past 7 years and what he'd personally like to do to the Roe v. Wade decision if he had his druthers.

And with the Bible Belt set smelling a Roe v Wade overturn on the horizon, the last thing they want is a pro choice Republican appointing more David Souters.

Anyway, while marrying his second cousin might be a bit creepy, it's hardly something that would discount someone from running or winning on its own. I mean, we're talking about a guy who's twice divorced and admittedly has personal flaws. I will give Giuliani that: He doesn't run from his past. He'll answer just about any question honestly, without the standard gobbledygook spin crap that seemingly every other politician does. Does that excuse his flaws? No, of course not. But at least the guy's accountable and up front about his past mistakes, which is more than I can say for our last two Presidents.

Rudy doesn't spin his answers? Yea, that's why his team had to put out a 20 page document on how to combat Rudy's negatives. Because he NEVER spins.

Dude, pass that shit over here. Seriously, don't bogart.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:04 pm

BSmack wrote: Rudy doesn't spin his answers? Yea, that's why his team had to put out a 20 page document on how to combat Rudy's negatives. Because he NEVER spins.

That asskicking was completely unnecessary. Dude did a fine job on his own.

Holy smokes.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:20 pm

BSmack wrote: Rudy doesn't spin his answers? Yea, that's why his team had to put out a 20 page document on how to combat Rudy's negatives. Because he NEVER spins.

Dude, pass that shit over here. Seriously, don't bogart.

Preparation is different from spin. Any good public speaker knows better than to "wing it", especially if the questions will be difficult.

Besides, I was speaking specifically to press conferences and television and radio show appearances that I've seen dude make.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:52 pm

OCmike wrote:Preparation is different from spin. Any good public speaker knows better than to "wing it", especially if the questions will be difficult.

So when his operatives made a point of saying that there should be no references of any kind to his Republican affiliation, that was not spinning?

Besides, I was speaking specifically to press conferences and television and radio show appearances that I've seen dude make.

Please do elaborate. I can assure you that once the rest of the country gets a glimpse of the Rudy G who has been well known to New Yorkers, they'll find someone as slippery and as twisted as any beltway politician.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:37 pm

Another point on Rudy: on this board, there seems to be a double standard that works in his favor.

It seems to be conventional wisdom here that Barack Obama lacks the experience necessary to be President. But he at least has run and won a statewide campaign. Rudy's never run for office beyond the municipal level, although he did serve as NYC mayor longer than Obama has been in the Senate.

It seems to me that if Rudy were serious about a Presidential run, he might first run for Governor or Senator. Just sayin'.

Terry in Crapchester · Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:05 am

mvscal wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:Another point on Rudy: on this board, there seems to be a double standard that works in his favor.

It seems to be conventional wisdom here that Barack Obama lacks the experience necessary to be President. But he at least has run and won a statewide campaign. Rudy's never run for office beyond the municipal level, although he did serve as NYC mayor longer than Obama has been in the Senate.

It seems to me that if Rudy were serious about a Presidential run, he might first run for Governor or Senator. Just sayin'.
You're a moron. BSmack seems to be the only one here who gives the slightest bit of fuck about Rudy.

The point, which you missed either accidentally or on purpose, was that Obama comes in for a great deal of criticism due to lack of experience, but Giuliani does not.

To your point, NYC has a larger population than several states.

True, but that doesn't change the fact that Giuliani hasn't spent a day in Congress, or in office at the statewide level. Usually, one of the two, if not both, is/are considered a prerequisite for the Presidency.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 7:07 am

Living out in cali I can say Rudy G is only known for 9-11. But he recently did a rather hefty GOP fundraiser in Fresno. It was $1,650 a plate for guests, $16,000 for "gold class" members, aka people who shit money.

Rudy has a long way to go, but the field is wide open at this point. He has a positive, if limited appeal for his 9-11 involvement.

Then again he hasn't opened his mouth out here much yet. That might do him in when people get to know him better.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 12:49 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:It seems to me that if Rudy were serious about a Presidential run, he might first run for Governor or Senator. Just sayin'.

Don't you remember his run for Senate? You remember, when his prostate shriveled up at the last minute at the thought of running against Hillary?

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:31 pm

BSmack wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:It seems to me that if Rudy were serious about a Presidential run, he might first run for Governor or Senator. Just sayin'.
Don't you remember his run for Senate? You remember, when his prostate shriveled up at the last minute at the thought of running against Hillary?

Hmmmm.....

She has the same effect on me.

Sin
ChargerMike

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:29 pm

OCmike wrote:Do you really think that a candidate's abortion stance is going to be the hot button issue in this election?

Only if the GOP makes it one. That's one of those important issues (gun control, abortion, flag burning) that get brought out for the wackos.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:42 pm

Looks like Rudy has the Transvestite vote locked up.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:49 pm

Is it funny pic time?

Who are these people?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:58 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Is it funny pic time?

Who are these people?

My father looked like that in 1971. Big deal. For some reason, men and women stopped grooming themselves in 1967 and didn't start up again until after Watergate.

Some folks never bothered to resume.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:13 pm

mvscal wrote:Was that before of after he didn't inhale?

You don't think you're getting out of this without a Zysdale reference, do you?

So, I know this dude. Older guy. Party animal, off and on. He went to law school at Georgetown, and he had this partner in partying and womanizing named Bill Clinton. When asked about the "I didn't inhale" story, this dude fully believes it.

"I could picture Bill having his eye on the hottest chick at the party, and if she passed him a doob, he'd take a little puff and not inhale it, just for the sake of making a connection with the chick. Bill wasn't inclined to get too much buzz on, since he would never do anything that would take any of the edge off his game with the ladies. Because Bill ALWAYS went home with the hottest chick there...always."

Dude's got pictures on the wall of him and his wife (once was a UD Representative) with Bill and Hillary.

So, once it was explained to me by One Who Knows, that "I didn't inhale" bit sounds much more believable.

[/zysdale]

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:59 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Is it funny pic time?

Who are these people?

I think they're the same two folks that hit people up for pledges every couple of months on the local PBS affiliate out of Buffalo.

For a one time $50 donation, you get a Deepak Chopra DVD and a WNED coffee mug.

titlover · Post by **titlover** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:33 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Is it funny pic time?

Who are these people?

tell em that aint grizzley adams

Truman · Post by **Truman** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:13 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote:Another point on Rudy: on this board, there seems to be a double standard that works in his favor.

It seems to be conventional wisdom here that Barack Obama lacks the experience necessary to be President. But he at least has run and won a statewide campaign. Rudy's never run for office beyond the municipal level, although he did serve as NYC mayor longer than Obama has been in the Senate.

It seems to me that if Rudy were serious about a Presidential run, he might first run for Governor or Senator. Just sayin'.

A couple of points, Terry: The criticism leveled at Obama doesn't have so much to do with his time-in-service to the country. But it has everything to do with the type of experience he would bring to the presidency.

There is a very good reason why Jack Kennedy was the last U.S. senator - read: legislative officer - elected to the presidency. Former state governors - i.e. executive officers - Carter, Reagan, Clinton, and Bush II have occupied the Oval Office 27 of the last 47 years (with varying degress of success, granted). Obama simply doesn't have the executive experience necessary to lead this country. Same criticism applies to the McCainiacs out there, too.

As for seeking state-wide office before making a run at the presidency: What mvscal said. Rudy was Chief Executive of a city with a population larger than 41 states. Would a run at Canadian Prime Minister satisfy your step-by-step criteria?

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:44 am

Truman wrote:
Obama simply doesn't have the executive experience necessary to lead this country. Same criticism applies to the McCainiacs out there, too.

I don't believe America is ready to vote for a Black, a female, or any minority candidate as President. There are just way too many bigots in america still, and race is still a very sensitive issue for both blacks and whites.

Hell, read the cul de smack here for a while. It's amazing how many homophobes/racists and bigots there are.

Obama would have to run a pristine race, and with his inexperience you have to know he will pull a Kerry at least once and say something stupid. Plus, they will dig up something on him. It won't take very much.

McCain has a slightly better shot, however his age (he'd be about 72 to start his term if he won), and his questionable policy stances in the past make him a little shaky.

I still see Hilary as a strong VP candidate, but not president. Too much opposition from the right for her to overcome.

titlover · Post by **titlover** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:03 pm

Mister Bushice wrote:
Truman wrote:
Obama simply doesn't have the executive experience necessary to lead this country. Same criticism applies to the McCainiacs out there, too.
I don't believe America is ready to vote for a Black, a female, or any minority candidate as President. There are just way too many bigots in america still, and race is still a very sensitive issue for both blacks and whites.

Hell, read the cul de smack here for a while. It's amazing how many homophobes/racists and bigots there are.

Obama would have to run a pristine race, and with his inexperience you have to know he will pull a Kerry at least once and say something stupid. Plus, they will dig up something on him. It won't take very much.

McCain has a slightly better shot, however his age (he'd be about 72 to start his term if he won), and his questionable policy stances in the past make him a little shaky.

I still see Hilary as a strong VP candidate, but not president. Too much opposition from the right for her to overcome.

yeah, they're not too biggoted to elect them as Gov's, Senators and Reps but Prez is just too much.

shut the fuck up.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:37 am

titlover wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:
Truman wrote:
Obama simply doesn't have the executive experience necessary to lead this country. Same criticism applies to the McCainiacs out there, too.
I don't believe America is ready to vote for a Black, a female, or any minority candidate as President. There are just way too many bigots in america still, and race is still a very sensitive issue for both blacks and whites.

Hell, read the cul de smack here for a while. It's amazing how many homophobes/racists and bigots there are.

Obama would have to run a pristine race, and with his inexperience you have to know he will pull a Kerry at least once and say something stupid. Plus, they will dig up something on him. It won't take very much.

McCain has a slightly better shot, however his age (he'd be about 72 to start his term if he won), and his questionable policy stances in the past make him a little shaky.

I still see Hilary as a strong VP candidate, but not president. Too much opposition from the right for her to overcome.
yeah, they're not too biggoted to elect them as Gov's, Senators and Reps but Prez is just too much.

shut the fuck up.

Oh come on now. You know who elected Mayor Villaraigosa of LA? How about Marion Barry? Hell they relected him after a prison stint for drugs!

Do you know WHY senators and representatives don't want their districts redrawn?

Why LOCAL Officials are elected has nothing to do with PRESIDENTIAL elections for many reasons. The national electorate is a MUCH different picture than the local political districts, which favor a candidates background and race in many places. The cal politicos fought Ahhnold and won when he tried to redistrict to favor the people of the state. They know WHO votes for them matters significantly in such a mixed race state, and don't give a shit as long as they can get reelected.

I don't think that America is ready for a minority candidate for president - yet.

mvscal makes a good point about there not being a qualified candidate. That is certainly a factor, but I think that any minority who is as borderline as a white guy does not have an equal shot, simply because many people are not willing to take that chance - yet.

However in another 6 years It would not surprise me to see a Mexican American candidate. They will most likely be close to being the voting majority of Americans by then, if not sooner. Out here in Cali slowly but surely most of the positions of political power are going to the Mexican candidates because they control the vote by virtue of their voting numbers.

When black people stop pulling out the race card everytime they don't get hired for a job over another minority or a white person, or when someone insults them, or when they get screwed over for some uncontrollable reason, they'll have a better shot. but I still see blacks as feeling somewhat entitled to having past wrongs righted, and that they are still being treated as second class citizens (Kanye Wests remarks come to mind), and that is roadblock to the presidency. Expect to see it used against Obama.

As for women there just aren't any widely acceptable candidates out there. No way Hilary makes ANY hay with the right.

EDIT:
SHOCKER, It's started happening already. Obamas camp played the race card with Hilary:

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs added another criticism of Clinton.

"It is also ironic that Senator Clinton lavished praise on Monday and is fully willing to accept today the support of South Carolina state Sen. Robert Ford, who said if Barack Obama were to win the nomination, he would drag down the rest of the Democratic Party because 'he's black,'" Gibbs' statement said.

This is EXACTLY why black candidates don't have a shot. Even though hilary never said anything derogatory and actually said she disagreed with Fords comments, obamas camp tried to make her guilty by association.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:03 pm

mvscal wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:Because Bill ALWAYS went home with the hottest chick there...always."

Dude's got pictures on the wall of him and his wife (once was a UD Representative) with Bill and Hillary.

So, once it was explained to me by One Who Knows, that "I didn't inhale" bit sounds much more believable.

Pure, 100% bullshit.

Pure, 100% fact.

With photographic evidence to back it up.

Hmmm...again stuck with the "who to believe" dilemma...mvscal, or the dude who was standing there next to him when he "didn't inhale," a dude who has pics of him and Bubba on his walls(who just might have been inhaling when he related the Bubba stories)...hmmm....tough call.

Let me think on this one...

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:17 pm

mvscal wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:I don't believe America is ready to vote for a Black, a female, or any minority candidate as President.
Disagree. America just isn't ready to vote for a half-ass minority candidate.

Maybe somebody should nominate Charles Barkley. He's be a full-ass minority candidate.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:10 am

mvscal wrote:If Bubba always went home with the hottest chick there, how the fuck did he wind up with an ugly scuz bucket like Shillary?

Oh, probably the same reason that the dude I know that related the story (who scores decent tang for an old dude since his separation) married a fairly gnarly-looking US Representative.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Feb 23, 2007 10:09 am

Mister Bushice wrote:I don't believe America is ready to vote for a Black, a female, or any minority candidate as President. There are just way too many bigots in america still, and race is still a very sensitive issue for both blacks and whites.

Hell, read the cul de smack here for a while. It's amazing how many homophobes/racists and bigots there are.

No argument at all with the second paragraph. In fact, that's the main reason why I seldom venture into the main forum anymore.

With respect to the first paragraph, I'd like to say I disagree, and that America is better than that. But I fear that you're correct.

Having said that, however, I hesitate to base any conclusions about the country upon this board. As I once posted, and quacker backer subsequently memorialized, this board doesn't exactly represent reality. If it did, from a political standpoint, the Democratic Party would be on the ropes, W's mug would be on the face of Mt. Rushmore, and for that matter, with respect to images of W, this country would look something like China did during the Mao years.

EDIT:
SHOCKER, It's started happening already. Obamas camp played the race card with Hilary:

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs added another criticism of Clinton.

"It is also ironic that Senator Clinton lavished praise on Monday and is fully willing to accept today the support of South Carolina state Sen. Robert Ford, who said if Barack Obama were to win the nomination, he would drag down the rest of the Democratic Party because 'he's black,'" Gibbs' statement said.
This is EXACTLY why black candidates don't have a shot. Even though hilary never said anything derogatory and actually said she disagreed with Fords comments, obamas camp tried to make her guilty by association.

With all due respect, you didn't post the context of these remarks. Basically, it was a tit-for-tat in response to Hillary's camp's demands that Obama disavow derogatory comments made by David Geffen (an Obama supporter) concerning Hillary.

I don't think Obama actually thought Hillary should be responsible for Ford's comments. After all, he said as much himself. But fair is fair, and if Hillary's camp thinks Obama ought to be responsible for Geffen's comments, then perhaps the same standard applies to her as well.

mvscal wrote:If Bubba always went home with the hottest chick there, how the fuck did he wind up with an ugly scuz bucket like Shillary?

It never ceases to amaze me that adherents of the party of Barbara Bush go to this card so routinely.

Hillary is not at or even remotely near the top of my hottie list by any stretch of the imagination, but compared to her immediate predecessor as First Lady, she's drop-dead gorgeous.

And for that matter, Laura Bush is nothing to write home about in the looks department, either. To me she looks like the Joker in drag.