"Real" stir fry and other Chinese dishes
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I used to stir fry several times a week when I lived at the emu house. All of the roommates would chip in to buy ingredients and I'd cook stirfry like a madman.
Unfortunately, once I met and shacked up with the OL and her munchkins, I had to quit cooking SF, since the kids didn't like chinese food at that young age. But I have about 15 years of experience cooking high-quality chinese grub, so I'm still here to offer my sage advice to those that aspire to get better at it.
First off, for those of you looking for that one missing ingredient in your food, it's either one of two things:
1. Experience - Not only is stirfrying not simple, it takes a long time (sometimes years) to really get it down so that you can do it almost automatically. Additionally, with experience you'll learn that stirfrying is not baking. That is, it's not chemistry...there are no exact amounts of anything required. All ingredient amounts in a SF cooking sauce are essentially recommendations. If you're using something like a low sodium soy sauce, or a really acidy sherry or vinegar for tanginess, or low cost store brands for some items that have less flavor than premium brands, you're going to need to taste and tweak your sauce to get that right flavor. Another good example of this is garlic. Many recipes simply call for 2 minced cloves of garlic. If you've got a monster head of garlic with giant cloves, you'll only want to use one. If you're working with small cloves, you may want to use four cloves...that type of thing.
Experience will also teach you, like others have mentioned, that things like broccoli and carrots take longer to cook than something like snow peas. If you just lump everything in all at once, you'll end up with some items that are overcooked and limp and others that are undercooked. You put the stuff that takes longer to cook in first, let it cook for a minute or two by itself, then add the other items. You'll end up with a much better final product this way.
Also, when Dins mentioned pushing the meat up to the sides while you add other items to the stirfry, those who said this can result in overcooked meat are correct. This is why for beef, you cook it until it browns on one side flip it until it's brown on the other and then push it to the sides. The inside is still uncooked or rare and will slowly cook with the rest of your SF. If you're using chicken, cook it until the outside is opaque and then push it to the sides.
2. Chinese five spice - You can find this in the International Foods section or in the spice section of any reasonably large supermarket. You wouldn't want to add it to spicy szechuan-type dishes, like Kung Pao chicken, but if you're trying a duck or pork dish, just a dash will add a lot of complexity to the flavor. Five spice is one of the primary ingredients in many Cantonese-style dishes. A dash also goes well with any dish that calls for hoisin sauce.
I've hosted and/or catered parties for 30 or more people on various occasions and at one time worked as a chef in a mediterannean restaurant. A lot of people have asked me over the years how I learned to cook and how I got to be so versatile(I'm quite good at cooking various types of food, from chinese to italian to mediterannean, etc). I attribute it to learning to cook chinese food in my teens and then doing so for a number of years.
Cooking chinese, once you move beyond following recipes step-by-step and graduate to the point where you can freelance, teaches you the importance of different cooking times for different items, the "correct" amount of a spice or condiment to add to tweak the flavor in a certain direction, the importance of presentation on the plate and various cooking techniques, including roasting, braising, steaming and frying.
The first Chinese dish I ever tried was Kung Pao Chicken from this cookbook. It's still my favorite version of the dish today.
The first time I attempted the dish(I think I was 14), I heated the oil up to blazing hot in the wok and then rather than spoon the cut up chicken into the wok, I just basically turned the bowl over and dumped it in. *SPLOOSH!* I jumped back from the deluge of oil that launched my way, but got nailed in the knee with about a teaspoon of it. Learn a lesson some? Left a nasty scar once it healed, but like the resourceful14 y/o I was, a few weeks later I just sanded it down with some fine grit sandpaper in woodshop. Crazy times!!
Unfortunately, once I met and shacked up with the OL and her munchkins, I had to quit cooking SF, since the kids didn't like chinese food at that young age. But I have about 15 years of experience cooking high-quality chinese grub, so I'm still here to offer my sage advice to those that aspire to get better at it.
First off, for those of you looking for that one missing ingredient in your food, it's either one of two things:
1. Experience - Not only is stirfrying not simple, it takes a long time (sometimes years) to really get it down so that you can do it almost automatically. Additionally, with experience you'll learn that stirfrying is not baking. That is, it's not chemistry...there are no exact amounts of anything required. All ingredient amounts in a SF cooking sauce are essentially recommendations. If you're using something like a low sodium soy sauce, or a really acidy sherry or vinegar for tanginess, or low cost store brands for some items that have less flavor than premium brands, you're going to need to taste and tweak your sauce to get that right flavor. Another good example of this is garlic. Many recipes simply call for 2 minced cloves of garlic. If you've got a monster head of garlic with giant cloves, you'll only want to use one. If you're working with small cloves, you may want to use four cloves...that type of thing.
Experience will also teach you, like others have mentioned, that things like broccoli and carrots take longer to cook than something like snow peas. If you just lump everything in all at once, you'll end up with some items that are overcooked and limp and others that are undercooked. You put the stuff that takes longer to cook in first, let it cook for a minute or two by itself, then add the other items. You'll end up with a much better final product this way.
Also, when Dins mentioned pushing the meat up to the sides while you add other items to the stirfry, those who said this can result in overcooked meat are correct. This is why for beef, you cook it until it browns on one side flip it until it's brown on the other and then push it to the sides. The inside is still uncooked or rare and will slowly cook with the rest of your SF. If you're using chicken, cook it until the outside is opaque and then push it to the sides.
2. Chinese five spice - You can find this in the International Foods section or in the spice section of any reasonably large supermarket. You wouldn't want to add it to spicy szechuan-type dishes, like Kung Pao chicken, but if you're trying a duck or pork dish, just a dash will add a lot of complexity to the flavor. Five spice is one of the primary ingredients in many Cantonese-style dishes. A dash also goes well with any dish that calls for hoisin sauce.
I've hosted and/or catered parties for 30 or more people on various occasions and at one time worked as a chef in a mediterannean restaurant. A lot of people have asked me over the years how I learned to cook and how I got to be so versatile(I'm quite good at cooking various types of food, from chinese to italian to mediterannean, etc). I attribute it to learning to cook chinese food in my teens and then doing so for a number of years.
Cooking chinese, once you move beyond following recipes step-by-step and graduate to the point where you can freelance, teaches you the importance of different cooking times for different items, the "correct" amount of a spice or condiment to add to tweak the flavor in a certain direction, the importance of presentation on the plate and various cooking techniques, including roasting, braising, steaming and frying.
The first Chinese dish I ever tried was Kung Pao Chicken from this cookbook. It's still my favorite version of the dish today.
The first time I attempted the dish(I think I was 14), I heated the oil up to blazing hot in the wok and then rather than spoon the cut up chicken into the wok, I just basically turned the bowl over and dumped it in. *SPLOOSH!* I jumped back from the deluge of oil that launched my way, but got nailed in the knee with about a teaspoon of it. Learn a lesson some? Left a nasty scar once it healed, but like the resourceful14 y/o I was, a few weeks later I just sanded it down with some fine grit sandpaper in woodshop. Crazy times!!
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A wok isn't made to be filled to the brim. It's design is such that if offers as much area to be in contact with the ingredients. The minute you have so much in the wok that much of it isn't in contact with the wok itself is the same minute you aren't stir frying, but rather steaming.Mikey wrote:Question for stir fry nazis....
I do stir fry occasionally, and it comes out good but not great. I think my problem is that I'm trying to cook for four hungry people in one regular sized wok. To get all the veggies I need in there at the same time it's on the verge of overflowing. I think that maybe my food is steaming in there and not really "frying". Any thoughts on stir-frying large quantities at one time?
There is no silver bullet to your question, Mikey... other than using two or three woks at the same time.
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While I wouldn't drive THAT far to pick mushrooms, I sure as hell would drive several hours to do so. Hell, I've DONE so. Thankfully, morels are common throughout the midwest and into my neck, albeit difficult to ferret out. I don't HAVE to drive three hours to find 'em. That is, unless I want to drive several hours south to start the season a week or so earlier than here in the 'burgh.ppanther wrote:We have friends who drive from Santa Monica to Oregon for just one night, so they can pick mushrooms. CRAZY.Dinsdale wrote:Maybe farmers market's haven't spread east yet?
There's one in every freaking burb here, and I think there's multiples in Portland. I have my choice of a few different ones within a short drive.
They're kind of the antithesis to "foo-foo."
So I suppose I shouldn't even bring up buying fish and seafood from roadside stands(not really my gig, anyway, but WAY cheap if it's your deal), and the deals one can get on mushrooms from the back of a truck here in Mushroomland.
And in a couplefew months, how we'll be able to buy whole albacore for a few cents a pound at the coast...U&M guy probably doesn't want to hear it.
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[over-the-top-Dinsdale]Well, in regards to ppanther's friends on their seeming high-effort quest...
Remember, Oregon is THE mushroom capital of the world.
Hell, I didn't even have to exaggerate that as a boast. Tis fact, bro.
Morels -- spring and fall
Boletus edulis
Chanterelle - often a long season
Tricholoma magnavelare
Lobster mushroom
Matsutakes
King Boletes
And of course, the legenday shiitake(which Burgerville occasionally puts on freaking fast-food burgers)
Bunch more, too...what kind you want?
OK -- as a resident of the Mushroom Capital of the World, I'll help you out here...
There's a difference between "mushroom hunting" and "shroom hunting." One is a legal activity, the other is not. One consists of harvesting the varieties listed above, the other consists of harvesting Liberty Caps or Conifer Psilocybe, depending where you are (Caps literally cover the coatasl plain...by far the most common mushroom in the coatal areas).
Remember, Oregon is THE mushroom capital of the world.
Hell, I didn't even have to exaggerate that as a boast. Tis fact, bro.
Morels -- spring and fall
Boletus edulis
Chanterelle - often a long season
Tricholoma magnavelare
Lobster mushroom
Matsutakes
King Boletes
And of course, the legenday shiitake(which Burgerville occasionally puts on freaking fast-food burgers)
Bunch more, too...what kind you want?
IndyFrisco wrote:we basically go "shroom hunting"
OK -- as a resident of the Mushroom Capital of the World, I'll help you out here...
There's a difference between "mushroom hunting" and "shroom hunting." One is a legal activity, the other is not. One consists of harvesting the varieties listed above, the other consists of harvesting Liberty Caps or Conifer Psilocybe, depending where you are (Caps literally cover the coatasl plain...by far the most common mushroom in the coatal areas).
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You DON'T want to step to the midwest when it comes to morels. The midwest is the king of morels... it ain't even up for discussion.Dinsdale wrote:Remember, Oregon is THE mushroom capital of the world.
Morels -- spring and fall
btw, chanterelles are purty darned ubiquitous 'round these parts too. Come to think of it, so too are many, many species of boletes. Hell, in the middle of the summer, you can't walk through the local park w/out kickin' a few.
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Ken wrote:You DON'T want to step to the midwest when it comes to morels. The midwest is the king of morels... it ain't even up for discussion.Dinsdale wrote:Remember, Oregon is THE mushroom capital of the world.
Morels -- spring and fall
btw, chanterelles are purty darned ubiquitous 'round these parts too. Come to think of it, so too are many, many species of boletes. Hell, in the middle of the summer, you can't walk through the local park w/out kickin' a few.
Pennsylvania is part of the Midwest?
Joe in PB wrote: Yeah I'm the dumbass
schmick, speaking about Larry Nassar's pubescent and prepubescent victims wrote: They couldn't even kick that doctors ass
Seems they rather just lay there, get fucked and play victim
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Point me to where I said it was, sparky.Goober McTuber wrote:Ken wrote:You DON'T want to step to the midwest when it comes to morels. The midwest is the king of morels... it ain't even up for discussion.Dinsdale wrote:Remember, Oregon is THE mushroom capital of the world.
Morels -- spring and fall
btw, chanterelles are purty darned ubiquitous 'round these parts too. Come to think of it, so too are many, many species of boletes. Hell, in the middle of the summer, you can't walk through the local park w/out kickin' a few.
Pennsylvania is part of the Midwest?
If I said Oregon couldn't step to the Bahamas when it comes to white sand beaches, would that mean Penna is part of the Bahamas?
Fucking THINK, sparky.
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Ken wrote:Point me to where I said it was, sparky.Goober McTuber wrote:Pennsylvania is part of the Midwest?
If I said Oregon couldn't step to the Bahamas when it comes to white sand beaches, would that mean Penna is part of the Bahamas?
Fucking THINK, sparky.
Ken wrote:You DON'T want to step to the midwest when it comes to morels. The midwest is the king of morels... it ain't even up for discussion.
btw, chanterelles are purty darned ubiquitous 'round these parts too.
You state that the Midwest is the king of the morels, then mention that chanterelles are purty darned ubiquitous 'round these parts too. “These parts” typically refers to where you’re at. Therefore, it appears that you are indicating that you’re in the Midwest. If you were stating that the midwest was king of the morels, and that the Pittsburgh area was known for chanterelles, that "too" was your undoing.
Fucking THINK, Corky.
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Seems they rather just lay there, get fucked and play victim
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Thanks for breaking that down. Veeeerrrrrry interesting. There's a li'l part of me that smiles knowing that because of me, you had to go back, sift through posts, C&P pertinent parts, then try and contrive a take. Then again, there's that other part of me (the larger) that fucking laughs. Laughs because I juuuuust can't bring myself to cry at the expense of your stupidity.
Way to go.
... and you STILL don't get it.
Way to go.
... and you STILL don't get it.
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I just saw the Alton Brown "Good Eats" show an hour ago where he had a 16" Chinese carbon steel wok just like the one I own and confirmed ---> gasp... that Dins is right.Dinsdale wrote:ppanther wrote:Heat a wok on moderatly-high heat. Add a little veg oil.
Nooooohohohohoho-noooo-nooo-no.
Peanut or sesame oil. Or both. Hot oil never hurts, either.
On an electric stove, good luck. Gas is fairly clutch for proper stir-fry.
And professionals, like in the Mongolian joints and such, heat the surface to very high heat.
He got one of those outdoor burners and did the stir-fry on one of those turkey pot type burners. I tried using that damn wok on the stove and it never got hot enough to cook worth a shit due to the lack of BTU's and gave up trying a year ago. Learn something new every day.
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