Packers Offseason: A Sad, Disgusting Tale

talking about who was arrested today

Moderators: Shoalzie, Biggie

Post Reply
User avatar
See You Next Wednesday
De Gustibus Non Est Disputandum
Posts: 1487
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:34 pm

Packers Offseason: A Sad, Disgusting Tale

Post by See You Next Wednesday »

Seriously, they went 8-8 last year, but that was an illusion. Two wins over the Lions, and the the Vikes, wins over the Niners, the Dolphins, Cardinals and a coasting Bears team. Does anyone really think this team is poised to do anything if they don't get some more players. Esp. maybe a running back, a tight end, some seondary help. This franchise is turning into an embarrasment. I like that Favre is coning back, but I am starting to think that it is just because after he leaves this franchise is going into the vast wsateland of ineptitude and there won't be a single thing to cheer for.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=579040
Green Bay - Minus Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett, the Green Bay Packers' defense would have been far less effective last season.

New Broncos tight end Daniel Graham, left, and running back Travis Henry were two free agents that the Packers decided not to pursue.

If general manager Ted Thompson hadn't agree to pay market value or even above market value, Woodson and Pickett would have been playing for other teams and the Packers might have had to start Ahmad Carroll for another season at cornerback and a lesser player at defensive tackle.

Sometimes bidding wars are the way to go. But the Packers, flush with about $21 million in cap room, have spent the first three weeks backing away from one bidding war after another.

That has been the story of their off-season.

Since the signing and trading periods opened March 2, a total of 108 players have changed teams via unrestricted free agency (76), restricted free agency (three), "street" free agency (18) and trades (11). The National Football League average is 3.38 new players per team.

Two teams, Chicago and San Diego, haven't added a player. They also had the top two records of any team in 2006.

Green Bay, which signed cornerback Frank Walker for $1.24 million over one year, is one of seven teams with just one newcomer. The others are Baltimore, Carolina, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, the New York Giants and Pittsburgh. All of those teams except Cincinnati have been to the Super Bowl this decade.

Tampa Bay leads with nine newcomers, followed with Cleveland with eight, Denver with seven and New England and San Francisco, each with six.

Often, agents for leading free agents were called by pro scouts Reggie McKenzie and John Schneider. In effect, the agents were told that the Packers wanted to be in the game but wondered what the stakes would be.

When that word was brought back to Thompson, most of the time he took a pass.

"We're not going to just go through life with our head in the sand," Thompson said. "We're turning over rocks. We're looking. But I'm kind of OK with our guys."

Said one agent: "After talking to them I couldn't help but wonder. What are they going to do with the money? You've got to spend 85% of it. They've got to restructure a lot of guys to eat it up."

Probably Thompson's most important decision was letting Houston out-bid the Packers for running back Ahman Green. The Packers viewed Green as a two-year proposition and the Texans saw him as a three- or four-year player, which appealed to him.

In the end, Green signed a four-year, $23 million deal that will pay him $18M in the first three years. At the end, Thompson made a competitive but shorter term offer that wasn't as good as Houston's and Green called his bluff.

The Packers had put in one of those cursory calls after Tennessee's Travis Henry was waived. But Thompson never pursued Henry, who went to Denver for $22.5M over five years ($12.5M guaranteed).

Green Bay never showed any interest in Jamal Lewis, who after being cut by Baltimore signed with Cleveland for $3.5M over one year; Indianapolis' Dominic Rhodes, who went to Oakland for $7.5M over two years; or Washington's T.J. Duckett, who went to Detroit for one year at about $1.5M.

Three days after Green left, the Packers cut backfield-mate William Henderson and looked for a new fullback.

A source said that Packers had some interest in Baltimore's Ovie Mughelli but backed away from the bidding process that landed him a six-year, $18M deal from Atlanta. The Packers then brought in former Falcon fullback Justin Griffith for a visit.

There's no question that Green Bay wanted Griffith, but only at its price. When Oakland offered $3.8M over three years, considerably more than what the Packers want to pay him, Griffith took it.

At wide receiver, the Packers had targeted St. Louis' Kevin Curtis for months because of his deep speed. Curtis visited five teams but not Green Bay, which never got in the running. His six-year deal with Philadelphia was worth $32M.

After New Orleans cut Joe Horn on March 1, the Packers decided to go after him. They even had a visit set up with Horn but Falcons owner Arthur Blank wouldn't let Horn leave. His four-year deal, worth $19M with escalators, contained $4M in bonuses this year.

"Joe's main interest up there was (Mike) McCarthy because he likes him so much," agent Ralph Vitolo said. "They talked, by phone. I think Joe was disappointed he didn't have a chance to go up there and see the facilities and talk to McCarthy."

Although Vitolo never exchanged proposals with negotiator Andrew Brandt, his expectations were that the Packers would have made a blockbuster offer.

"I think they probably would have gone out close to Atlanta if not above it because they had more money to work with," Vitolo said.

But Vitolo would have found out differently. The Packers weren't prepared to offer Horn anywhere close to what he received in Atlanta.

Much the same situation occurred with San Diego linebacker Donnie Edwards, who knew McCarthy from the late 1990s in Kansas City. They also talked by telephone before Edwards, 33, went back to the Chiefs for about $13.5M over three years. The Packers had no intention of offering him anything close to that.

Despite losing tight end David Martin, the Packers didn't show any interest in New England's Daniel Graham, former Dolphin Randy McMichael and San Francisco's Eric Johnson. They all found new teams within a week.

The best safety on the board, Jacksonville's Deon Grant, went to Seattle for $31.8M over six years. Green Bay made a cursory call and that was about it.

On Saturday, Green Bay could have blown away Kansas City's modest one-year offer to retain defensive lineman Jimmy Wilkerson. Instead, the Packers offered almost comparable money and he went back to the Chiefs.

Given that another 61 players are off the market due to re-signings since March 2, what's left?

"What we're dealing with now is backups," an NFC pro scout said Friday before planning to spend his week watching more tape. "We're trying to find a bottom feeder that looks like he's got a chance."

The Packers probably will sign a few veterans before the draft. Just don't expect anything like the seven-year, $39M deal Woodson received on April 26 unless the Raiders cut wide receiver Randy Moss.
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
User avatar
poptart
Quitty McQuitface
Posts: 15211
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:45 pm

Post by poptart »

This thread might give you hope.

viewtopic.php?t=22777

But then again, with Favre going into what is possibly/probably his last season, you'd think there might be more of a sense of immediate urgency to get a team on the field that can WIN NOW.

I agree that last year's 8-8 was an illusion.
GB won it's last 4, but those were over 3 bad teams and finally a Bear team that was saving it for the post-season.

Losing A. Green puts a little pressure on GB, because while he may not be among the BEST rb's in the league, he's reasonably good.
Just to stay even you've got to find a replacement who's ..... reasonably good.
Good luck.

Favre could use another target.
Moss ... ?

Unless GB drafts lights out great, I can't see how they're better than 8-8 again.
Probably worse, IMO.
User avatar
packwin13
Elwood
Posts: 426
Joined: Sun Jan 16, 2005 12:10 am
Location: Green Bay

Post by packwin13 »

Rack 'tart- pretty much right on the $. The offense couldn't score in the red zone all season, and they lost one of the few guys that could move the ball. I'm trying to wait until after the draft/free agency to go into panic mode, but I've been less than impressed with the offseason so far
User avatar
Dinsdale
Lord Google
Posts: 33414
Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:30 pm
Location: Rip City

Post by Dinsdale »

poptart wrote:Losing A. Green puts a little pressure on GB, because while he may not be among the BEST rb's in the league, he's reasonably good.

I don't have the stats in front of me, so correct me if I'm wrong...


But doesn't Ahhhh, MAN! I Put It On The Carpet That's Green hold the dinstinction as having more turnovers per touch than any player in the entire history of the game?

Sounds like addition by subtraction to me.


My Great Great Uncle Jed sounds like an upgrade at RB for the Pack, just because he isn't so senile that he wouldn't listen to the coaches when they told him "for God's sake, Dumbass, hold the ball against your body when you run. Most kids learn that in Pop Warner."
I got 99 problems but the 'vid ain't one
User avatar
ElvisMonster
savvy fashionista
Posts: 2311
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:46 am
Location: All up in it.

Post by ElvisMonster »

4 fumbles in 266 attempts last year. 2 of those fumbles were lost. I can live with numbers like that. But yes, he had a couple of 7 fumble years. I guess I'm more of a Devil You Know kind of guy. No idea what the other guys on the roster are going to look like after a full season.
Life's Pretty Straight Without Jimmy Medalions.
User avatar
DamnTheCowboys
Human Garbage Disposal
Posts: 195
Joined: Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:24 pm
Location: Richmond, VA

Post by DamnTheCowboys »

ElvisMonster wrote: No idea what the other guys on the roster are going to look like after a full season.

The other 3 running backs on the roster right now are 1-2 year backs that were undrafted, signed as free agents. Occasionally a 4th-5th round pick will surprise and have a nice career like Terrell Davis, but an unsigned free agent....never. Gado (who was traded to Houston last season) was okay but a nice surprise as a fill-in for a few games. He may not even make the Texans roster this year. Green Bay will draft RB Marshawn Lynch out of California.
Headhunter
Eternal Scobode
Posts: 2810
Joined: Wed Jan 12, 2005 10:34 pm

Post by Headhunter »

Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren returned the packers to the Lombardi expectations. They're gone. Prepare yourself for the period in between Lombardi and Holmgren.
Post Reply