The better band: Boston or...

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:30 pm

I'm no Boston honk but they're WAY better than STP. At their peak, STP was considered a Grunge Jr./Grunge Lite/Grunge Wannabe band. They so much wanted to be Pearl Jam, Soundgarden or AIC that it made me want to vomit.

They were posers. End of discussion.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:40 pm

Rack Fu wrote:I'm no Boston honk but they're WAY better than STP. At their peak, STP was considered a Grunge Jr./Grunge Lite/Grunge Wannabe band. They so much wanted to be Pearl Jam, Soundgarden or AIC that it made me want to vomit.

They were posers. End of discussion.

Remember the David Spade bit on SNL?

"Not bad, but I liked them better when they were called Pearl Jam."

Pretty much sums it up.

Mike the Lab Rat · Post by **Mike the Lab Rat** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:46 pm

To me, it's like asking "Which is a better topping for ice cream: ketchup or mustard?"

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 3:56 pm

Tardowned...

This is no message board smack bullshit like I throw out here when I bait and troll under the zz/AP nick...

I have been listening to Boston for about 2 hours before I clicked "refresh" on this shit board to see a tard such as yourself talk about anything.

AC/DC (Bon Scott), Boston, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen (DLR years), and ZZTop are my core bands. Just because Bradley Delp didn't invite you over for his last Weber BBQ party doesn't mean you need to get all pissy.

I shit you not you fucked up POS... I'm seriously bummed out about Bradley taking his life. You talk about taking your own life, but NOBODY gives a fuck about you. I grew up listening to these guys and they are part of me... whereas you are just a tard on a board that doesn't mean squat.

So fuck you tardowned.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:45 pm

"Tiny Music," which is my favorite STP album, doesn't sound remotely like anything Pearl Jam ever did. If you think so, you're just letting critics make decisions for you, and it's obvious you haven't heard much of anything from the band other than a couple hits from "Core."

Boston fan mocking ANY band for lack of originality is pretty funny though.

Sin,

The same guitar riff over, and over, and over

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:56 pm

What would you do?
What would you do if I follow you?

Rack Fu · Post by **Rack Fu** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:54 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:"Tiny Music," which is my favorite STP album, doesn't sound remotely like anything Pearl Jam ever did. If you think so, you're just letting critics make decisions for you, and it's obvious you haven't heard much of anything from the band other than a couple hits from "Core."

Once a poser, always a poser.

Green Day's American Idiot was by all accounts a good record. They're still a Ramones/Clash rip-off band. STP has, and will, always be known as a grunge wannabe band that sounded like a watered down version of their Seattle heroes. You can dress it up all you want but a turd in a pretty dress is still a turd.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:58 pm

I know that's a really popular criticism, but listen to the songs. They really aren't very similar.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:05 pm

Rack Fu wrote:Green Day's American Idiot was by all accounts a good record.

BTW, this is where you lost all credibility on any music-related discussion.

Just log off.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:30 pm

Boston was a clone of no band. STP was a far more diverse and (comparatively) prolific band. I liked them both, but honestly, I long ago burned out on listening to Bostons one decent album. STP has more varied music to sample from.

But STP very clearly started out as a Pearl Jam copy band. When those first few hits came out, like Plush, and Wicked Garden, there is just no denying the stylistic similarities between PJ and STP. Was that because the record company was trying to capture as much cash off the grunge trend as possible? Very likely. Does that mean STP was any less of a grunge clone? No, they certainly started out imitating a sound, not initiating one. but like MGO said, when Tiny Music came out, all that changed. There was no way you could make that claim any more. I also think Scott Weiland, as fucked up as he is, is one of the better rock singers of his time.

Boston did not imitate anyone. What they did was unique, and in terms of the studio work, groundbreaking. But after the newness of the first album wore off it became clear that they were also rather a one dimensional band sound wise when Goudreau left, as was proven by the less than stellar follow up attempts. Doesn't make them any less of a great band, and I'm sure some would argue that the next few albums from Boston had their moments, but for me, it was just attempts at more of the same vocal and guitar harmonies from the first album. If Boston had been able to stay together and follow that first album with something equally as good songwriting wise, or different but just as strong musically, perhaps there would be more of an argument here, but in the end, "comparing" or saying " they were better because" I don't think you can do that quite so simply.

STP - a grunge clone band that grew out of the grunge sound to stand alone.

Boston - A ground breaking band with a unique sound that was never able to truly follow up on the success of that first album mostly because the core unit did not stay together.

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 6:39 pm

Fuck, 2 minutes of my life i'll never get back........

Any offering with the words "Pearl jam" and "Stone Temple Pilots" deserves a special forum:

TROTS this shit fucking thread.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:16 pm

Boston was before my time, but even in high school I owned Boston and Don't Look Back. STP was great for their time, but I can't remember the last time I've reached for one of their albums. Probably Tiny Music for nostalgia purposes, but that's about it. Their music didn't really carry over for me.

Todd - care to discuss something a little more, ummm...what's the word... oh yeah, good?

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:10 pm

Who gives a fuck? - OCfindafold

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:13 pm

great for their time

Most bands are only that, these two would fit that category. How many bands still sound relevant 20-30 years later?

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:00 pm

Never EVER forget this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-FnJZ7j ... Lee%20Roth

Yer welcome ingrates.

Justa Heel · Post by **Justa Heel** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:20 pm

Rack Fu wrote:
Green Day's American Idiot was by all accounts a good record.

No it wasn't.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sun Mar 25, 2007 11:40 pm

Mister Bushice wrote:
great for their time
Most bands are only that, these two would fit that category. How many bands still sound relevant 20-30 years later?

The bands without an emphasis on a commercial sound.

Screw_Michigan · Post by **Screw_Michigan** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:00 am

Raydah James wrote:Fuck, 2 minutes of my life i'll never get back........

Any offering with the words "Pearl jam" and "Stone Temple Pilots" deserves a special forum:

TROTS this shit fucking thread.

coming from queen doucebag himself, that's hearty.

TROTS your fucking life, pissbag.

Tiny · Post by **Tiny** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:24 am

Todd, I cannot fathom you are still running around beating this dead horse.
UN - FUCKING -believable!!!!

You know, I actually listen to or have listened to, all the bands listed in this POS thread.
From the Old school AC/DC, Van Halen (and Van Hagar), Boston and ZZ, to the “New Age” types STP/Velvet Revolver, Green Day (before they sold out), Soundgarden/pearljam/Alice In Chains.

There are always going to be good points, and bad points.....positive opinions, and negative opinions, Todd, that's why we have different types of music.....for different types of people.The only way you could have less credibility here, would be by singing the praises of Country music, and trying to discuss it's place in society. Why don't you give that one a try?

As for your repeated attempts at trolling here....I guess it's working....but have a fucking ounce of self respect for a change.
I guess I'll never understand why coming onto a message board and acting like a complete and total fuck-nut is somehow appealing to you. I guess it's just like my 9 year old daughter, when she's staying at home with her mom & step-dad...I guess negative attention is better than no attention....
I just don't freaking understand.

JSC...I'm with you on that....Making some buffoon's hayter list: I must be coming up in this world. (Although, I don't know that this is my first one for Todd, as we've been down this road before).

Raydah James · Post by **Raydah James** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:06 am

Screw_Michigan wrote:
Raydah James wrote:Fuck, 2 minutes of my life i'll never get back........

Any offering with the words "Pearl jam" and "Stone Temple Pilots" deserves a special forum:

TROTS this shit fucking thread.
coming from queen doucebag himself, that's hearty.

TROTS your fucking life, pissbag.

When you're done shoveling out the sand I kicked in your vagina from clowning your musical heroes, feel free to to change up your entire shit posting existance by throwing down something other than an unfunny drive-by, cunt.

Y2K · Post by **Y2K** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:51 am

This is how I look at it.

"Your music sucks!"

J- So fucking what?

"But they are overrated and suck"

J- So do you, but basic entertainment can come in some seriously bizarre forms. I can pay attention or not, my choice.
Crazy how that shit works.

"bbbbbbbbb... but they suck because I said so!"

J- Yeah, whatever douchebag.....

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:30 am

Toddowen wrote:Country music does deserve much praise.

it wouldn't take very much to turn any song Boston made into a country song.

KOYA much?

Tiny · Post by **Tiny** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:42 am

Thanks RF...

I was thinking the same thing.
Way to prove my point for me, TODD!!!

Hey, I think you might be way cool, over at that Sanjay whateverthefuck it is site, that ST and friends were spamming; You'd fit right in with those pre-pubescent fucks....You might even get a few props from the 12-15 yr old crowd that frequents that place.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:37 am

Raydah James wrote:Fuck, 2 minutes of my life i'll never get back........

Any offering with the words "Pearl jam" and "Stone Temple Pilots" deserves a special forum:

TROTS this shit fucking thread.

throwing down something other than an unfunny drive-by, cunt.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:52 am

Toddowen wrote:it wouldn't take very much to turn any song Boston made into a country song.

I saw Phish perform Long Time as a bluegrass number with guitar, bass, mandolin, and banjo. It was actually pretty cool. I'm guessing I liked it better than if I woulda seen Boston play it the way they recorded it. But I never saw Boston, nor did I really ever care to, so it'll have to remain a guess.

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:58 am

Toddowen wrote:it wouldn't take very much to turn any song made into a country song. simply strip it down to three chords and remove all words over two syllables

ftfy.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:11 pm

Toddowen wrote:Just who has kicked their own ass here?

Hard to say... a pile-on shit troll is getting piled-on.

I think anyone who seriously argues a topic that is ultimately subjective has too much free time on their hands.

Unless, of course, the band in question is Rush. Talk about a bunch of over-rated faggots who've never contributed one damned thing to Rock-N-Roll. I think it's been mathematically proven that anyone who is a Rush fan is a complete loser and any homo who pimps their music should be shot on sight.

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:25 pm

Toddowen wrote:You're a Boston Red Sox fan.

LINK?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:12 am

Toddowen wrote:cumstain.

Ironically enough, that would've been an improvement. But we obviously failed.

-Todd's parents

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:01 am

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote: I think anyone who seriously argues a topic that is ultimately subjective has too much free time on their hands.

Best line in this thread.

I can appreciate all types of music, even country, depends on the mood I'm in.

Some well timed Toby Keith or Alan Jackson will get you in a hotties pants quicker than a Boston tune... just sayin'.

But I still like Boston.

Who are the Stone Temple Pilots, btw?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:26 am

War Wagon wrote:Some well timed Toby Keith or Alan Jackson will get you in a hotties pants

Oh, wow.

Sig material right there.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:51 am

Toddowen wrote:So I should just overlook all the different styles of country music... the honky tonk, the ballads, bluegrass, the trend in the of major bands of the late 60's/early 70's, all the vast influence it had on rock and roll

Link?

If you're talking '40s or the early '50s, maybe you'd have a point.

But several genres of rock including hard rock, psychedelic, and punk had already emerged by the late 60s, and none of it had anything to do with honky tonk or country "ballads." Unless, of course, you're lumping blues in with honky tonk. But given how you can't make a valid analogy in trying to prove whatever "point" you're trying to make, I wouldn't put it past you, ToddOedipus.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 5:36 am

The same guitar riff over, and over, and over

Add two other guitars doing those riffs a little up the fretboard, and you're closer to the ~~heart~~ truth

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:44 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
Mister Bushice wrote:
great for their time
Most bands are only that, these two would fit that category. How many bands still sound relevant 20-30 years later?
The bands without an emphasis on a commercial sound.

Commercial is way too subjective a term. Most bands set out to become successful their way, only to succumb to industry demands, or else they get lucky and hit a nerve, ro they grow past the industry and do what they want.

Led Zeppelins stuff stands up today. Only argument is whether it is considered commercial, but given the mass appeal, I'd say no argument.
Same for the doors.

No way stuff from Captain beefheart, Little Feat or frank Zappa still sounds relevant except to their diehard fans. it might be revival period piece music someday, but it was music from a time and place, with no more relevance today than Steven Fosters stuff is.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:12 am

Mister Bushice wrote:Only argument is whether it is considered commercial, but given the mass appeal

Catch-22.

"Commercial," often means, or did mean, radio airplay. It's still that, to a certain extent, with a huge influence from television -- MTV, VH1, and more recently, American Idol, among others. And unfortunately, the masses line up to lap up the swill, much more so than ever, given Clear Channel's virtual monopoly on radio, and corporate asshats who are more interested in short-term profits than taking risks on artists who are different.

Zappa is a greate example of someone who has stood the test of time with virtually no radio/TV airplay. I'd argue the same for The Cure and Depeche Mode, which were/are as big as any bands on the planet from the late-80s to mid-90s, with virtually no airplay.

I still maintain the hope that someday soon a band is going to come out of nowhere, via word of mouth on the Internet or an Internet company ... something unorthodox from the RIAA, that will be the start of a new way for bands to come out of nowhere ... sort of like what happened in with FM radio in the late-60s and early 70s.

The RIAA isn't helping any with their bullshit, petty legal maneuvers.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:26 am

RF, even though I've listed my core rock bands... Depeche Mode has a home here with me as well as The Smiths. I can say the same for the Surf Punks, but they were just kidding.

Zappa was a trip. I remember the song Don't Eat the Yellow Snow and was amazed he could get away with it. This one girl I knew is SoCal was friends with Frank's daughter Moon Unit. She said Moon was actually pretty damn smart. Not so sure about her brother Dweezzzzz. What...ever...

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:54 am

Mister Bushice wrote: Led Zeppelins stuff stands up today. Only argument is whether it is considered commercial, but given the mass appeal, I'd say no argument.

Radio Fan wrote:"Commercial," often means, or did mean, radio airplay.

Interestingly enough, I believe that Zep never released a single for Top 40 radio stations to lap up and play 16 times a day, burning it the fuck out before it was a month released. You had to go out and buy their albums, which millions did. But I think they flew under the mainstream (commercial) radar for some time before everyone became aware of them. They certainly weren't concerned about commercialism. I didn't really "discover" LZ until around 1976 (age 14) when my older brother brought home Physical Graffitti and it blew me away. I think I started smoking dope right then and there, as you had to get "high" to truly appreciate that music.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:41 pm

Mister Bushice wrote:Commercial is way too subjective a term.

And 'relevant' isn't? I'd love for you to define what 'relevant' music is.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:39 pm

War Wagon wrote:Interestingly enough, I believe that Zep never released a single for Top 40 radio stations to lap up and play 16 times a day, burning it the fuck out before it was a month released. You had to go out and buy their albums, which millions did. But I think they flew under the mainstream (commercial) radar for some time before everyone became aware of them. They certainly weren't concerned about commercialism. I didn't really "discover" LZ until around 1976 (age 14) when my older brother brought home Physical Graffitti and it blew me away. I think I started smoking dope right then and there, as you had to get "high" to truly appreciate that music.

Zep did release a few singles.

# "Communication Breakdown"/ "Good Times Bad Times" (March 10, 1969)
# "Whole Lotta Love"/ "Living Loving Maid (She's Just A Woman)" (November 7, 1969)
# "Immigrant Song"/ "Hey Hey What Can I Do" (November 5, 1970)
# "Black Dog"/ "Misty Mountain Hop" (December 2, 1971)
# "Rock and Roll"/ "Four Sticks" (February 21, 1972)
# "Over The Hills and Far Away"/ "Dancing Days" (May 24, 1973)
# "D'yer Mak'er"/ "The Crunge" (September 17, 1973)
# "Trampled Under Foot"/ "Black Country Woman" (April 2, 1975)
# "Candy Store Rock"/ "Royal Orleans" (June 18, 1976)
# "Fool in the Rain"/ "Hot Dog" (December 7, 1979)

I think what you might be referring to is the stance Zeppelin took in England, where, after Atlantic released "Whole Lotta Love"/ "Living Loving Maid" against their wishes, the band threatened to leave Atlantic and never again authorized another UK single release.

Somewhere in my record collection I have the Japanese import single "Immigrant Song"/ "Hey Hey What Can I Do". I need to find that thing and properly display it in the new house.

See You Next Wednesday · Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:50 pm

Isn't this sort of like asking who was a better baseball player: Tim Raines or Kenny Lofton?