most underachieving programs (per ESPN)

[King Crimson]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=2865999

every team in the big XII north pulling a vote, minus KU.

can't argue with the top 5-6, but Oregon State? Minus Ralph Miller, what? Rutgers? just "what"? Iowa? say it ain't so!


for all the football and AD revenue and coaching genius of Danny Nee (not looking too bad these days, eh Husker?*)......NU has *never*won an NCAA tournament game.

M-I-Z



*like one would show on the hoops board.

[indyfrisco]

Why the fuck did Andy Katz put fucking Evansville in that list?

[King Crimson]

Why the fuck did Andy Katz put fucking Evansville in that list?

because they are the Purple Aces, man.

i dont' see how the Hogs aren't higher. the last decade they've been iffy *and* like Mizzou have one of those sweet new wal-mart money gyms.

[Cornhusker]

for all the football and AD revenue and coaching genius of Danny Nee (not looking too bad these days, eh Husker?*)......NU has *never*won an NCAA tournament game.

M-I-Z



*like one would show on the hoops board.

It seems curious you can underachieve when ...well...you never have.

And no Danny Nee had plenty of chances to reach beyond just a tourney appearance. He lost his best team through decention.
The players went to the AD. He never looked good to me.

Hey, NU will be a team that will be competive under the Doc. 10 new faces next winter, some with actual game I think.

[King Crimson]

see below

[King Crimson]

i think Sadler was a good hire. and i also think the North as a group (minus the post-Huggy fiasco) will take some steps forward with the latest round of hires at MU, NU, ISU, and CU. which, as an old timey Big 8 fan who misses the home-homes of those days...makes me happy.

playing Baylor and ATM twice a year in hoops doesn't have much emotional pull with me still. now, playing Missouri or KU twice, them's were the days.

[SunCoastSooner]

i think Sadler was a good hire. and i also think the North as a group (minus the post-Huggy fiasco) will take some steps forward with the latest round of hires at MU, NU, ISU, and CU. which, as an old timey Big 8 fan who misses the home-homes of those days...makes me happy.

playing Baylor and ATM twice a year in hoops doesn't have much emotional pull with me still. now, playing Missouri or KU twice, them's were the days.

Rack!

[War Wagon]

...playing Missouri or KU twice, them's were the days.

Yes, they were. Sadly, we'll never see the likes of a Billy Tubbs or a Norm Stewart patrolling the sidelines again or the home and home series against OU and OSU.

The Big 8 sold out to create the mega-conference in football and ensure the river of money that is now flowing into the Big XII. I guess it was a good deal financial wise for the member schools, but damnit, I do miss those old rivalries in B-Ball. They're just not the same these days.

Oh well, life goes on, and we've still got Kansas to hate on.

[WolverineSteve]

Rack the list. If we weren't #1, who would be? Michigan is back on track with Bielein, but make no mistake, 9 years without sniffing the dance is unacceptable! The Blue will be back, the foundation is being layed.

Go Blue!!

[King Crimson]

Beilein is a great hire, IMO.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I would have had ND on that list, although I can't say I'm surprised that ESPN didn't.

ESPN's frame of reference is probably the 1990's. ND's program right now looks pretty good in comparison to that. My frame of reference, OTOH, is the 1970's. ND's program right now is struggling, big time, in comparison to that.

Even so, it seems odd to look at some of the programs on that list. Many of them were never terribly good. ND used to be good, even if ESPN doesn't remember it, I do.

Ahh, ending UCLA's 88-game winning streak, 7 Sweet 16's in an 8-year stretch, crying the night after Danny Fukkin' Ainge drove the length of the floor to hoist the buzzer-beater over Orlando. Those were the days.

[Goober McTuber]

I would have had ND on that list, although I can't say I'm surprised that ESPN didn't.

ESPN's frame of reference is probably the 1990's.

Of course, if you'd bother to read the article, you'd know that their frame of reference is the last 10 seasons. 1997-98 through 2006-07.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I would have had ND on that list, although I can't say I'm surprised that ESPN didn't.

ESPN's frame of reference is probably the 1990's.

Of course, if you'd bother to read the article, you'd know that their frame of reference is the last 10 seasons. 1997-98 through 2006-07.

I did read the article. I was talking about comparing where the program has been over that time to different times in the past.

My reference point (i.e., the period I to which I compared the last ten years) for ND was ND's glory days in basketball. Over the last ten seasons, ND has been disappointing compared to that.

ESPN's reference point was probably immediately prior to the past ten seasons, when ND was terrible. Compared to that, ND has rebounded somewhat over the last ten seasons.

It's mind-boggling to me that ND didn't make anyone's ballot, whereas a number of schools that have never been consistently good, such as Rutgers, Penn State, Arizona State, Nebraska, Northwestern, and Evansville, all did. But I guess that since ND's golden era in basketball pretty much predates ESPN, it doesn't matter to them.

Tulsa also made a ballot despite an Elite 8 appearance within the decade in question (2000), and UCLA made a ballot despite Final Four appeances the last two seasons.

[Dinsdale]

but Oregon State?

Probably because since Jay John took over as coach a few years ago, he's pretty much been given everything he's asked for...and the program keeps getting worse. But it's not because of John...just ask him...he'll still give dozens of reasons why it's everyone's fault but his.


I think he's asking for a new arena now. That's why he can't win. Always something with that tard.

[Mr T]

Were #2, Were #2....wait in basketball.....

I hadnt seen that since 1972.

I wish FSU would wake up and realize we deserve better than hamilton.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Since the timeframe ESPN analyzed corresponds almost perfectly to our time in the Big East, I should point out that we're 5-12 all-time in Big East Tournament play, and have never won more than one game in any Big East conference tournament. That simply is the suck.

Over the 10-year period in question, we have an overall winning percentage of .609, compared to an all-time overall winning percentage of .645. Despite being tied for 9th all-time in NCAA tournament appearances, we have only 4 NCAA tournament bids during that stretch. And despite being 10th overall in all-time wins, we have an average of less than 20 per season over the last ten years, reaching 20 or higher only five times.

I'd say the last decade has been a disappointment for ND fan. Or at least, for those of us with long memories.