Nearly speechless

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:14 pm

So, about a mile or so from my house, over in in Pittsburgh's shittiest neighborhood (Lincoln-Larimer), 5 little kids died the other night in a fire.

They were playing with...you guessed it, matches.

Their mothers (the kids were from 2 "families") had left them unattended in a house while they went out on the town.

After the police got to them and told them that their kids were fried, it looks like they lied and said they'd left them with a babysitter. No one has heard of or can find this babysitter yet - looks like it's made-up.

Also, there are reports that they were in a room that was locked from the outside.

So, NOW "family" members want answers.

http://kdka.com/local/local_story_164214818.html

A little late, isn't it jackasses? What kind of spawn have you, that would even consider leaving kids unattended?

Boy, I sure hope you get your "answers". FUCK

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:16 pm

Late term abortions. No big deal.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:18 pm

I'm completely shocked that they were nogs.

Sincerely,
Not even a little bit

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:18 pm

rozy wrote:Late term abortions. No big deal.

ouch

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:27 pm

Rack rozy!

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:38 pm

Azquel Rankin
Andre Rankin
Dezekia Holyfield
Cedano Holyfield
Daekia Holyfield

Pray for them.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:45 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Azquel Rankin
Andre Rankin
Dezekia Holyfield
Cedano Holyfield
Daekia Holyfield

Pray for them.

I feel for Evander. Lucky for him he has like 230 other kids to help him through this tough time.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:49 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Azquel Rankin
Andre Rankin
Dezekia Holyfield
Cedano Holyfield
Daekia Holyfield

Pray for them.

Honestly? I'm a parent. The idea that the kids died in this way is utterly horrifying to me. But shit - life appears to be cheap to these people. Maybe the consolation is that we're looking at 5 less humans who will grow up and do this kind of fucking stuff.

Yep, say a prayer for them. Then sneeze, fart, and do some other meaningless bullshit.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:53 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Honestly? I'm a parent. The idea that the kids died in this way is utterly horrifying to me.

I can't wait until my wife pops out our first kid so I can add "I'm a parent" to any and all arguments I ever make about kids. It's like all you have to do is say "I'm a parent" and all the childless people have to just step back in the face of your wonder sperm's moral authority.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:56 pm

Shot at OB, Dave. Not the kids.

I already forwarded this story to some friends and neighbors without my smartass feelings on the subject.

Remember, I'm an asshole on this board, not in real life.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:00 pm

BSmack wrote:I can't wait until my wife pops out our first kid so I can add "I'm a parent" to any and all arguments I ever make about kids.

We had a little tiff with some friends of ours back in Texas. Buddy of mine's wife and my wife got into it. Seemed they always blamed their troubles on their kids. I told him one day this same thing. I said I couldn't wait to have kids so I can blame all our problems on them. Well, kids ain't all our problems but damn near every issue that arises in Casa de Frisco has something to do with kids. There's more truth to this statement than you think. Kids are the best thing in the world, but they are also the most stressful at times.

Just sayin'.

There, PSU.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:08 pm

Indy, oh, I understand perfectly.

I can't wait until my wife pops out our first kid so I can add "I'm a parent" to any and all arguments I ever make about kids.

First off, buckle up, everybody.

Now...I am going to suggest to you that when you do become a parent, you'll indeed know exactly what I'm talking about. You get the "terrors" - irrational fears that your offspring will be horribly slain. It's probably a deep-seated species thing - babies are delicate creatures, they cannot survive on their own for a number of years. Perhaps your genetic code steps up and "warns" you with these terrors, so you retain a healthy respect for the welfare of your kids.

At least...for some parts of the species, that is. I look a lot different from these folks...and I would not do something like that with my children. Never - couldn't do it. I'd honestly sooner die than lock them in a room from the outside, with matches, and leave the fucking house to go smoke crack or get fucked up. Different story in this hood.

And so the fire was late Monday night. What happened on the same block on Wednesday?

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburght ... 12541.html

So, you're standing on your porch, and some kids walks up and puts a big nasty hole in your back, just for shits and grins. Yep, great hood.

Start up the bulldozers.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:20 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Maybe the consolation is that we're looking at 5 less humans who will grow up and do this kind of fucking stuff.

Don't worry, I am sure those bitches will have shat out at least 6 more niglets within the next couple years for another dark meat BBQ.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:21 pm

Agreed. Hell they were born 3 quarter bunrt anyway.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:21 pm

PSUFAN wrote:
I can't wait until my wife pops out our first kid so I can add "I'm a parent" to any and all arguments I ever make about kids.
First off, buckle up, everybody.

Now...I am going to suggest to you that when you do become a parent, you'll indeed know exactly what I'm talking about. You get the "terrors" - irrational fears that your offspring will be horribly slain. It's probably a deep-seated species thing - babies are delicate creatures, they cannot survive on their own for a number of years. Perhaps your genetic code steps up and "warns" you with these terrors, so you retain a healthy respect for the welfare of your kids.

At least...for some parts of the species, that is. I look a lot different from these folks...and I would not do something like that with my children. Never - couldn't do it. I'd honestly sooner die than lock them in a room from the outside, with matches, and leave the fucking house to go smoke crack or get fucked up. Different story in this hood.

Which goes right to what I'm saying that being a parent doesn't automatically make you an expert on the subject of child welfare. We could go chapter and verse for years reciting the examples of horrific parenting that we see in the news every day. And furthermore, I don't think one has to be a parent to feel the same kind of horror and revulsion you felt reading that story. I contend one needs only be human.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:22 pm

BSmack wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:Honestly? I'm a parent. The idea that the kids died in this way is utterly horrifying to me.
I can't wait until my wife pops out our first kid so I can add "I'm a parent" to any and all arguments I ever make about kids. It's like all you have to do is say "I'm a parent" and all the childless people have to just step back in the face of your wonder sperm's moral authority.

When you become a parent you will understand. It does make a very great difference in the way you see the world.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:24 pm

SunCoastSooner wrote:
BSmack wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:Honestly? I'm a parent. The idea that the kids died in this way is utterly horrifying to me.
I can't wait until my wife pops out our first kid so I can add "I'm a parent" to any and all arguments I ever make about kids. It's like all you have to do is say "I'm a parent" and all the childless people have to just step back in the face of your wonder sperm's moral authority.
When you become a parent you will understand. It does make a very great difference in the way you see the world.

Which has nothing to do with feeling utterly horrified at the thought of 5 kids being turned into briquets thanks to their irresponsible crackhead parents.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:25 pm

furthermore, I don't think one has to be a parent to feel the same kind of horror and revulsion you felt reading that story.

Yep. But like I said - once you have and hold your own children, and you see these horrors from that perspective, it's a different story, different intensity. See, it's like you're a chef in a kitchen, and you just know what a customer orders in the dining room...never mind.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:25 pm

BSmack wrote:I can't wait until my wife pops out our first kid

The horrah....

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:26 pm

Having raised four kids---OK-- MrsO did most of the raising--
I can tell you that some kids are fascinated with fire and
there is a strong possibility that if you have matches and/or a lighter in the house they will get ahold of them and copy what they saw you do.
My younger son found one of MrsO's cigarette lighter and was playing with it in his closet. Luckily he ran to his Mother and told her that there was a fire. Mrs.O was able to put it out as she caught it early. If she had been outside, or my son hadn't said anything it is possible the whole place (old wood frame house) could have gone up in flames !
I'm just telling you that---you can never be sure that you are safe from such accidents.
Should the parents be home--you bet !! I worked 2 or more moonlighting jobs when I was teaching so that my wife could stay at home and be with the kids.
One other thing---a good promotion for parents who smoke to STOP !!

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:27 pm

How is this thread degenerating into a lame discussion about whether a childless person can comment on a situation involving parenting? Seriously, let's get back to blasting liberals and nogs. TIA

(and RACK Bri's sig)

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:27 pm

PSUFAN wrote:
furthermore, I don't think one has to be a parent to feel the same kind of horror and revulsion you felt reading that story.
Yep. But like I said - once you have and hold your own children, and you see these horrors from that perspective, it's a different story, different intensity. See, it's like you're a chef in a kitchen, and you just know what a customer orders in the dining room...never mind.

Does it count if you've held a dead baby?

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:27 pm

Which has nothing to do with feeling utterly horrified at the thought of 5 kids being turned into briquets

Wrong-o, BeServedDietBeer. You involuntarily envision your own children dying horribly. That's the perspective that we parents have that you don't.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:36 pm

BSmack wrote:
SunCoastSooner wrote:
BSmack wrote: I can't wait until my wife pops out our first kid so I can add "I'm a parent" to any and all arguments I ever make about kids. It's like all you have to do is say "I'm a parent" and all the childless people have to just step back in the face of your wonder sperm's moral authority.
When you become a parent you will understand. It does make a very great difference in the way you see the world.
Which has nothing to do with feeling utterly horrified at the thought of 5 kids being turned into briquets thanks to their irresponsible crackhead parents.

Wanna bet?
There is NOTHING any of us can post to make you understand what it is that we speak of. Nothing. It is an entirely different dimension of looking at the world that is way too abstract to explain.
You'll just have to take our word... when it comes to topics such as this, as much as it sucks for you, you just don't 'get it'. Nor will you ever until you have kids. So, really, as much as it sucks for you (again), you're right... you'll kinda have to step back and watch from the bleachers.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:37 pm

PSUFAN wrote:
Which has nothing to do with feeling utterly horrified at the thought of 5 kids being turned into briquets
Wrong-o, BeServedDietBeer. You involuntarily envision your own children dying horribly. That's the perspective that we parents have that you don't.

So now we're measuring revulsion on a sliding scale? What the fuck? To paraphrase GYWO, my revulsion is in its "blunt object" phase.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:37 pm

Latest:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07164/793678-100.stm

Siblings Dezekiah Holyfield, 3, Cedano Holyfield, 4, and Daekia Holyfield, 7, and another set of siblings, Andre Rankin, 6, and Azquel Rankin, 5, died in the fire on Winslow Street.

Police were not releasing the names of the two mothers of the children, but the attorney for one, James Ecker, identified the mother of the Holyfield children as Shakita Marie Mangham, 25.

Relatives have identified the other as Furrah Love, who is also in her mid-20s.

Ms. Love dropped off her three children at Ms. Mangham's house, which is owned by her mother.

I wasn't surprised by the clusterfuck of names...but Furrah Love? Are you shitting me?

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:38 pm

Ken wrote:Wanna bet? There is NOTHING any of us can post to make you understand what it is that we speak of. Nothing. It is an entirely different dimension of looking at the world that is way too abstract to explain.

As abstract as a left hook from a 6 year old?

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:41 pm

PSUFAN wrote:
Which has nothing to do with feeling utterly horrified at the thought of 5 kids being turned into briquets
Wrong-o, BeServedDietBeer. You involuntarily envision your own children dying horribly. That's the perspective that we parents have that you don't.

RACK.

It's not that you can't feel revulsion as a non-parent, but you don't have the same intimate attachment to it as a parent would. It's no different than you being single and feeling terrible about someone losing a wife of twenty years. Another person who's been married, or has been married that long, would have a much more deep feeling for that person's loss. That's all.

Wouldn't you say that you have a different view towards marriage now that you're married than when you did when you were single? This doesn't seem like a difficult subject to grasp. Then again, before I had a kid, I used to hate it when people would give me the "You wouldn't understand what it's like..." talk when discussing losing a child. Now that I've got a munchkin of my own, I totally get it.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:43 pm

BSmack wrote:And furthermore, I don't think one has to be a parent to feel the same kind of horror and revulsion you felt reading that story. I contend one needs only be human.

Okay, okay... you talked me into another one... wanna bet?
Don't be an idiot. I just want to make sure I'm understanding what you're trying to do;

You are trying to tell us parents, people who absolutely, unequivocally, positively KNOW that becoming a parent invokes deeper feelings for the welfare of kids, that we would feel the same reading that story if we DIDN'T have kids.

Forgive me for calling you a dumbfuck, dumbfuck... but it is US who have lived on both sides of this street and know there's a diff.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:44 pm

OCmike wrote:Then again, before I had a kid, I used to hate it when people would give me the "You wouldn't understand what it's like..." talk when discussing losing a child. Now that I've got a munchkin of my own, I totally get it.

Maybe it's because I've watched my brother lose two children up close and personal, but I seriously don't think having a child of my own is going to add one bit to the horrors I've already seen.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:49 pm

BSmack wrote:
OCmike wrote:Then again, before I had a kid, I used to hate it when people would give me the "You wouldn't understand what it's like..." talk when discussing losing a child. Now that I've got a munchkin of my own, I totally get it.
Maybe it's because I've watched my brother lose two children up close and personal,

You see.. you actually THINK that you're getting over on us w/that comment.
Watch this, I'm gonna pull my ace in the hole, that'll show 'em.

Your ace in the hole has no bearing on this. None. What part of becoming a parent changes everything do you not understand? I mean, SURELY you've heard that phrase uttered on TV, the radio, in passing conversations COUNTLESS times. I guess we're all wrong. All many million of us parents. Solitary Bri's right.

Sorry, my bust.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:50 pm

BSmack wrote:
OCmike wrote:Then again, before I had a kid, I used to hate it when people would give me the "You wouldn't understand what it's like..." talk when discussing losing a child. Now that I've got a munchkin of my own, I totally get it.
Maybe it's because I've watched my brother lose two children up close and personal, but I seriously don't think having a child of my own is going to add one bit to the horrors I've already seen.

You may love your nieces and nephews, but not in the same way you’ll love your own kids. But you’ll never get that until you have your own kids. I’m sure that won’t stop you from blindly arguing about something you really don’t understand. It never has in the past.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:53 pm

BSmack wrote:5 kids being turned into briquets

You just gonna throw those out?

sin,

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:59 pm

BSmack wrote:
OCmike wrote:Then again, before I had a kid, I used to hate it when people would give me the "You wouldn't understand what it's like..." talk when discussing losing a child. Now that I've got a munchkin of my own, I totally get it.
Maybe it's because I've watched my brother lose two children up close and personal, but I seriously don't think having a child of my own is going to add one bit to the horrors I've already seen.

That makes you closer to it than many, but still not the same thing. Have a kid and we'll all sit here patiently and wait for your retraction.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:01 pm

OCmike wrote:Wouldn't you say that you have a different view towards marriage now that you're married than when you did when you were single?

Yeah, when I was single and about to get married, I thought, hell yeah, pussy every night.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:08 pm

not much beats being "in the saddle" with the Mrs. and having one of your kids come to your bedroom door asking for a glass of water !!
It's those little things you experience from having kids in the house 24/7/365 that makes parenting---"fun".

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:15 pm

Ken wrote:What part of becoming a parent changes everything do you not understand? I mean, SURELY you've heard that phrase uttered on TV, the radio, in passing conversations COUNTLESS times. I guess we're all wrong. All many million of us parents. Solitary Bri's right.

Sorry, my bust.

So what about the crackheads who left their kids alone? They are parents. Are they not? Did being a parent "change everything" for them?

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:18 pm

BSmack wrote:
Ken wrote:What part of becoming a parent changes everything do you not understand? I mean, SURELY you've heard that phrase uttered on TV, the radio, in passing conversations COUNTLESS times. I guess we're all wrong. All many million of us parents. Solitary Bri's right.

Sorry, my bust.
So what about the crackheads who left their kids alone? They are parents. Are they not? Did being a parent "change everything" for them?

I think what you've said AND what those of us who are parents said combined is what matters. Being parents AND being human is required.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:19 pm

Wolfman wrote:not much beats being "in the saddle" with the Mrs. and having one of your kids come to your bedroom door asking for a glass of water !!
It's those little things you experience from having kids in the house 24/7/365 that makes parenting---"fun".

I just throw them a pack of matches and tell them to get the fuck out of there.

--Furrah Love

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:20 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:
OCmike wrote:Wouldn't you say that you have a different view towards marriage now that you're married than when you did when you were single?
Yeah, when I was single and about to get married, I thought, hell yeah, pussy every night.

Your father should have had that talk with you before you bought the ring...