Nearly speechless

[Goober McTuber]

That, or nothing like that at all...

I have one kid. I hardly feel guilty for contributing to overpopulation. Take it up with the pope.

So, what you're saying, is that using some special state of enlightenment as grounds for correctness in some debate that can never be settled is silly?

That depends on which of us regularly experiences that special state of enlightenment. I doubt that you'd understand.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

I'd like to know Greg Odens take before I make any final decisions.

[PSUFAN]

That initial rush you get when you see your child for the first time is one of life's greatest experiences.

Yep. And that feeling is closely related to the "terror" feeling you get when, unbidden, you picture them dying horribly.

See, these barren fools keep thinking that we're choosing to picture our own children in these scenarios. They cannot understand of what we speak, a) because they are childless, and b) because they are stupid, brainless, freckle-assed chumps.

[Dinsdale]

I'd like to know Greg Odens take before I make any final decisions.

After a few hours in Portland, Mr. Oden declared that it's where he wants to raise his family someday.


Greg Oden doesn't give "takes" -- he states FACTS.

[Dinsdale]

I have kids, and I don't understand why you and others have visions of your own kin going Johnny from the Outsiders when you read a story like this.

Stay gold, Ponyboy.

[PSUFAN]

you really need to know I am freckle free.

I am not - but I have the decency to spackle my hind end melanin spots with my own dung.

But you knew this already.

And Goobs gets a belated rack. It indeed is quite likely that our offspring will be on this board, laughing at BSmack as he continues to audition for the KC IKYABWAI Crew. This is something that I don't choose to contemplate - rather it is there, unbidden.

[Y2K]

It's quite obvious that these fine individuals spent more time in choosing first names for these kids than actually careing for them.

edit to drop another rack for rozy...

[Mike the Lab Rat]

Did it ever occur to you breeders that you have a quirk in your personality that draws you to being breeders?

Nope. It is, simply put, the meaning of life. We eat, drink, sleep, shit, piss, reproduce and die. Everything else is vanity. The quirk resides with those who fail to reproduce.

Rack the ever-lovin' hell out of that. Our purpose as a species is to reproduce. And, contrary to dins, the Earth is NOT teetering on the edge of chaos because of overpopulation. Hell, any problems we have are due to the stupidity of members of the species after they are born. It's not a problem of too many humans, it's a problem of too many stupid, selfish humans in power.

Back on topic - I'm not going to argue that those of us who have kids have some sort of holy epiphany that grants us powers and wisdom beyond normal mortals, but the plain obvious fact is that non-parents have no frame of reference that legitimately grants them the true perspective of parents, while those of us with kids HAVE been kidless at some point (and so we CAN compare the two perspectives). If reading about and watching an experience were the same as actually doing it yourself, everyone would pass their road test on the first try, easily become surgeons, teachers, lawyers, etc. You have to go through the process and do the work. To claim otherwise is just plain stupid and dishonest.

Anyone who has never been a parent attempting to describe or judge what a parent feels is, to quote mvs, a "clueless dumbfuck."

[PSUFAN]

Back to the main topic of the thread - the "family" members that are being sought out by the news want "answers". Myself, if these people were any part of my actual family, I wouldn't be sitting around blubbering out some claptrap to news reporters, I'd be finding the "family" members who did this and flossing my teeth with their aortas.

"I WANT ANSWERS"...sure, fucking great. The answers are, you're all subhuman scum, and you've worked hard to get there. You deserve to be boiled alive for raising "mothers" who would treat your progeny this way -not to single out the mothers, I'm sure the fathers are wholly contemptible in their own subhuman fashion...

[RumpleForeskin]

It indeed is quite likely that our offspring will be on this board

I just hope to god my kid doesn't make the same mistakes I did when I first joined here.

[Dinsdale]

Nope. It is, simply put, the meaning of life. We eat, drink, sleep, shit, piss, reproduce and die. Everything else is vanity. The quirk resides with those who fail to reproduce.

And this is why instead of reproducing, you chose to surrogate for a lowlife convict's spawn, instead?

[PSUFAN]

Moving right along,

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburght ... 12682.html

During a vigil attended by more than 60 people Thursday in front of the burned-out house on Winslow Street, Bill Brooks said relatives of the victims don't believe the mothers' statements that the children were left in the care of a baby sitter before flames engulfed the house at 1:23 a.m. Tuesday.

Pittsburgh police said they are still trying to verify the existence of the sitter, whom the mothers said was a 17-year-old girl named LaShawn Smith or Smithfield and lived nearby. Detectives have received dozens of calls from people in the neighborhood saying the girl doesn't exist.

"There was no sitter, and the mothers were at a bar, and it's not the first time it's happened," said Brooks, of Homewood, who identified himself as a cousin of both of the fathers of the children. "Those mothers were more concerned with themselves and partying, and they had no right to leave those children alone."

OK, asshole. Thanks for telling us...or at least telling a news reporter after 5 kids get flamebroiled by their matchbook babysitter.

Look, call me nebby - but if I know that a neighbor leaves kids alone in a house and goes out to party, I call the fucking cops right then and there. You summon the wherewithal to tell a reporter now? Tell you what, just shut the fuck up, instead.

Renee Goodson, of Wilkinsburg, attended the vigil and questioned whether relatives should be charged with the deaths.

"I'm sure there is fault and blame to be passed around, but parents make mistakes and decisions that often turn out to not be good ones," Goodson said. "I know someone has to pay the price, but bringing charges against the mothers won't bring those children back."

OK, someone loan me a 2x4, because I need to rearrange this bitch's fucking skull. Call it a community service inclination.

[OCmike]

Someone has to pay the price but it shouldn't be those that were negligent?! There's some nog logic for ya. I'll bet they think they'll try to weasel a FEMA check out of this by claiming that the kids smoldering bodies caused smoke damage to their apartments two miles away...

[BSmack]

Look, call me nebby...

My father in-law would. But then again, he's from up the Allegheny in Brackenridge. Rack the Pittsburghese.

[PSUFAN]

Exactly, Mike - who the fuck is supposed to pay the price here? Who is responsible, other than the curs that abandoned their children and trapped them in a room?

At least one of the fathers is in jail - on federal drug and weapons charges.

These people need to be forcibly parted from their reproductive systems.

[Dinsdale]

Matches?

Matches?

Are these people nuts?

They should have just done it U&L style --

EVERETT, Wash. - A Lake Stevens woman jailed in the death of her baby son told police she had taped a pacifier to his mouth to keep it from falling out.

The 20-year-old mother found her son unconscious when she woke up Monday morning, then called 911. The father of the child had already left for work.

The fire department says the boy was dead when paramedics arrived.

The medical examiner confirms that the 4-month-old boy died of aspiration. The mother was booked into the Snohomish County Jail for investigation of manslaughter.

I'd assume it was a Nog, except the article says the father had "left for work."

[OCmike]

I'd assume it was a Nog, except the article says the father had "left for work."

Maybe he was heading out to sell meth...

[PSUFAN]

Thanks for bumping this, I was just about to:

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburght ... 13540.html

"I would certainly be disappointed if homicide charges were brought," said her attorney, Ernest Sharif, who accompanied her to the interview at police headquarters. "She's not responsible for what happened. A fire broke out. She didn't set that fire. She may have wanted to be there when the fire started, but even if she were there, the children might not have lived."

OK, I'm speechless again...

[Dinsdale]

Dude...it's fucking Whitey's fault, and Whitey now owes LaChaniquatoyachantrelle a bunch of cash.


How fucking DARE you suggest otherwise?

[BSmack]

Thanks for bumping this, I was just about to:

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburght ... 13540.html

"I would certainly be disappointed if homicide charges were brought," said her attorney, Ernest Sharif, who accompanied her to the interview at police headquarters. "She's not responsible for what happened. A fire broke out. She didn't set that fire. She may have wanted to be there when the fire started, but even if she were there, the children might not have lived."

OK, I'm speechless again...

You would have to be an attorney to understand.

[indyfrisco]

Quick story for BSmack.

This morning, I was carrying my son and started to go into the basement. first step down the stairs and my heel slipped off the step and I went down. In my fall, I was able to set my son at the top of the stairs before I tumbled down to the bottom of the stair case.

I was hurting all over, but I got up from the base of the stairs and rushed to the top of the stairs because my 20 month old son was crying. When I hurled him to the top step, he landed on his elbow and it was scratched.

While I was rolling down the stairs, all I could think of was that my son was falling right behind me. I was scared to death. It is a fear I have never felt before in my life and never want to again.

Right now, my knee is swollen. My right shoulder is on fire. My big toe is probably broken. My tailbone is bruised. My head is pounding. And I'm the happiest man in the world because my son only has a scratch on his elbow.

I'm not trying to pile on. It's been done already ad nauseum in this thread. Just wanted to pass along a story. If you're not a father, you can't understand it. If you are one, you can't explain it. Best of luck to you and all fathers-to-be.

[RumpleForeskin]

Glad your son is okay and I hope you heal up soon too. Good yob making sure your son was okay before your nasty spill.

BTW, thanks for adding to the Aggie joke arsenal with this story. I think it will start out something along the lines of, "How does an Aggie walk down a flight of stairs" or "How does an Aggie enter into a basement".

[Dinsdale]

"How does an Aggie walk down a flight of stairs"

Why not go the whole 9 yards, and twist that into a book of matches in lieu of a baysitter, a locked basement, and a large bonfire?


Uhm...hate to break it to the breeders, but the vast majority of people would do the same thing and risk further injury during a fall to save their cat, too. But props on needing to have children to realize a sense of decency.

[OCmike]

So then I guess if you gave birth to the cat you'd have the proper perspective then...

[indyfrisco]

Uhm...hate to break it to the breeders, but the vast majority of people would do the same thing and risk further injury during a fall to save their cat, too. But props on needing to have children to realize a sense of decency.

I got pissed at a cat once and kicked it and didn't think twice about it. Would never do it to my kid, and if/when I will have to spank him I will surely feel bad about it.

[PSUFAN]

if/when I will have to spank him I will surely feel bad about it.

Trolling aside, firmly disciplining your children is not an easy thing to do. Nonetheless, it is totally necessary.

Locking your kids up with matchbooks as babysitters while you go out to whore around town and spawn more bastards is deplorable. THEN when they charbroil themselves and endanger the lives of nigh on 100 emergency responders, what does this bitch do? She lies and says that they left the kid with a babysitter, and THEN her lawyer says you're not responsible?

Yup, I fail to understand the vast majority of that.

[OCmike]

It's tough to say how responsible she is though. I mean, if you take your eye off your kid and he snatches a knife off the counter, falls on it and dies, are you responsible for the death of that kid? Negligent, to be sure, as is the case of the nog mom, but just how responsible are you for the deaths? I can't see her getting anything more than involuntary manslaughter and unfortunately even that's a bit of a stretch. Felony child neglect, sure, but beyond that what can she really be charged with? Murder 2?

[BSmack]

It's tough to say how responsible she is though. I mean, if you take your eye off your kid and he snatches a knife off the counter, falls on it and dies, are you responsible for the death of that kid? Negligent, to be sure, as is the case of the nog mom, but just how responsible are you for the deaths? I can't see her getting anything more than involuntary manslaughter and unfortunately even that's a bit of a stretch. Felony child neglect, sure, but beyond that what can she really be charged with? Murder 2?

If this were Law and Order, they would be going for a Murder 2 with Depraved Indifference to Life count. Not sure how that shit works in real life. My guess is that it's not that simple.

[Dinsdale]

If this were Law and Order, they would be going for a Murder 2 with Depraved Indifference to Life count. Not sure how that shit works in real life.

In real life, I don't want to nail every assistant DA I see.

[indyfrisco]

I mean, if you take your eye off your kid and he snatches a knife off the counter, falls on it and dies, are you responsible for the death of that kid?

Similar situation happened here last year. The guy who put in my patio had a nanny. His 2 year old and his 5 year old were being watched by the nanny. The nanny had the 2 year old on the kitchen counter while she was making lunch. The nanny turned her head and the 2 year old ate a piece of hot dog that was meant for the 5 year old. 2 year old choked and died.

This was their nanny for 5 years. Since then, she's gone thru a mental breakdown. She was the nanny for 5 years for this family and felt like a part of the family. Only in that situation could I say she may have felt something CLOSE to what the parents felt.

Of course, that just must be the "breeder" in me speaking. Maybe if the family cat choked and died, she would have felt the same remorse.

[Dinsdale]

The nanny turned her head and the 2 year old ate a piece of hot dog that was meant for the 5 year old. 2 year old choked and died.

'Round these parts, we have this thing we call the "hymenlick manoover"...or something like that. Might be a good thing for a nanny to know.

Maybe if the family cat choked and died, she would have felt the same remorse.

There go the breeders, thinking they've cornered the market on compassion and remorse again. They don't understand that they have a mental condition that caused them to need to reproduce to have functioning emotions that others were born with.


But...I'm done discussing it for the moment. In the last couple of weeks, I lost a nephew, and Pimp the Party Cat, who somehow weaseled her way in the front door 15 years ago to bogart bong hits died in my arms.


I've had enough loss lately, and don't want to spend any more of my precious calling-strangers-fags-on-the-internet time dwelling on it.

[indyfrisco]

The nanny turned her head and the 2 year old ate a piece of hot dog that was meant for the 5 year old. 2 year old choked and died.

'Round these parts, we have this thing we call the "hymenlick manoover"...or something like that. Might be a good thing for a nanny to know.

Not sure if that's how Ken or MGO would spell the "hymenlick" or "manoover" but I guess that's why you put it in quotes.

Maybe if the family cat choked and died, she would have felt the same remorse.

There go the breeders, thinking they've cornered the market on compassion and remorse again. They don't understand that they have a mental condition that caused them to need to reproduce to have functioning emotions that others were born with.

There was no sense of "need" to reproduce. A sense of "want" to reproduce was there. I wish you had to have a license to reproduce so we could control this "overpopulation" spoken of. Would probably also control the number of BBQed kids as well not to mention the number of bastard children too.

[War Wagon]

It is, simply put, the meaning of life. We eat, drink, sleep, shit, piss, reproduce and die. Everything else is vanity. The quirk resides with those who fail to reproduce.

How this did not get RACKED ten times over is beyond comprehension. There's no way that Dins could possibly believe his own bullshit.

You people are really stupid.

[Dinsdale]

I wish you had to have a license to reproduce so we could control this "overpopulation" spoken of.

You need a license to drive a car.

You need a license to lay pavers.

You need a license to catch a fish.


You don't need a license to ignite a broquette.


Ponderous.



And mvscal, if you're advocating that the War Wagons of the world should reproduce, then I KNOW you're trolling.

[War Wagon]

Dins?

There's no doubt your Mom wished she hadn't copulated when she realized what she had in you.

Have you called her lately, btw?

[Dinsdale]

Have you called her lately, btw?

Yesterday, thanks for asking.


It's kind of cool...she's getting too old and loopy to be mean anymore.

[Goober McTuber]

[Pimp the Party Cat, who somehow weaseled her way in the front door 15 years ago to bogart bong hits died in my arms.

I wish I could say I understand how you feel, but I've never owned cat.

[PSUFAN]

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07171/795660-100.stm

Arrest warrants were issued {Wednesday night} for Shakita Mangham and Furaha Love, both 25.

According to the warrants, each will be charged with five counts of involuntary manslaughter and multiple counts of reckless endangerment and endangering the welfare of children. Both also face charges of making false reports to police.

"This is definitely a crime," District Attorney Stephen A. Zappala Jr. said at a impromptu news conference outside the shell of a house at 6429 Winslow St. "And," he said, "we're going to give [police] the charges we think are appropriate this afternoon. After that, [police] can move at their convenience."

I disagree with the entire concept that these "mothers" aren't responsible for the deaths of their children. Accidents happen all of the time. Abandoning children to whatever fate might befall them is no accident. These two are subhuman wretches, and they deserve to be punished. Whatever cultural nuance that informed them that abandoning their kids was somehow an option needs to be addressed - what better way than punishing these transgressors? Perhaps if they are punished, another subhuman wretch that does the same thing will understand that there are consequences for those kinds of actions. Should we really pretend that they are blameless?

[rozy]

I disagree with the entire concept that these "mothers" aren't responsible for the deaths of their children.

Ya think?

Accidents happen all of the time.

And cause skid marks...

Abandoning children to whatever fate might befall them is no accident.

Dude, like seriously. You and Marcus are best buds, right?

These two are subhuman wretches, and they deserve to be punished.

Amen, bro. Just keep a nice reserve of bananas around for feeding time.

Whatever cultural nuance that informed them that abandoning their kids was somehow an option needs to be addressed - what better way than punishing these transgressors?

Ok, now we are getting somewhere...

Perhaps if they are punished, another subhuman wretch that does the same thing will understand that there are consequences for those kinds of actions. Should we really pretend that they are blameless?

Ah, crap. Now you went and did it. Hand in your Democrat card.
Perhaps it will continue to happen over and over and over again as long as 50% of America keeps voting for the enablers...
BTW, if they are SUBhuman, some 4'11" liberal attorney will argue that YOU caused this and get them off on diminished capacity.

I love America!

[PSUFAN]

Answer the question, nimrod: who the fuck are "The Hoppers"?