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(OKLAHOMA CITY, Okla.) June 2 - NCAA president Myles Brand says he's not necessarily opposed to a recent proposal to extend player eligibility in football to five years.

Speaking Friday at the Women's College World Series, Brand said the idea might be favorable if it included the elimination of the practice of redshirting.

Brand said that 80 percent of Division One football players are being redshirted and that it takes the average student about 4.7 years to graduate from college.

The NCAA football issues committee has requested that the proposal be discussed at the spring meetings of Division One football-playing conferences.

Brand also told reporters he doesn't sense support among universities for a college football playoff system, adding he believes much of the support for a playoff comes from the media and not the schools or fans.
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Yeah, this whole wacky notion of a playoff is just another media conspiracy. The fans have no interest in something crazy like that.

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Myles Brand is definitely no Brent Musberger.
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jeebus. sound piece of logic there, Myles.

blaming the media is becoming the way to substitute shit for logic anymore.
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stuckinia wrote:Myles Brand is definitely no Brent Musberger.
He's worse.

Dude makes Bud Selig seem respectable with this "take."
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What a moron...
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I know this wasn't really the point of this post, but the first part of that quote worries me too. Think of how many long-standing records would be broken within 10-15 years (if not sooner) if they start giving kids five years of on-field eligibility. As much as I'd love to see Hawkins recruit some Rivals 100 studs and see them start for the Buffs for five years straight, the purist in me would be bothered by it.
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MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan wrote:I know this wasn't really the point of this post, but the first part of that quote worries me too. Think of how many long-standing records would be broken within 10-15 years (if not sooner) if they start giving kids five years of on-field eligibility. As much as I'd love to see Hawkins recruit some Rivals 100 studs and see them start for the Buffs for five years straight, the purist in me would be bothered by it.
I like the five to play five rule. I don't have any real tangible reason, I just do...
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the thing i don't get about Brand's argument here about 5 years of eligibility is the fact he uses (4.7 years to graduate) would seem to support a RS year to get kids acclimated to college life and the classroom....more than just calling it 5 years eligibility. if you want that number to *go down*, that is. though, schools are more than happy to keep taking tuition money from 5th, 6th, 7th year undergrads....so, it's not clear to me (as someone working in higher education) that that is an objective of any kind.
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King Crimson wrote:the thing i don't get about Brand's argument here about 5 years of eligibility is the fact he uses (4.7 years to graduate) would seem to support a RS year to get kids acclimated to college life and the classroom....more than just calling it 5 years eligibility. if you want that number to *go down*, that is. though, schools are more than happy to keep taking tuition money from 5th, 6th, 7th year undergrads....so, it's not clear to me (as someone working in higher education) that that is an objective of any kind.
Ya it would actually make more sense to just redshirt everybody if you want to improve academics.
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Count me as one of the fans who doesn't want to see a playoff if it includes more than 4 teams.

When he mentions schools not wanting a playoff, who is he talking about? Presidents? ADs? Head Coaches?

I am also against 5 years to play 5 seasons. Mike, said it best it bothers the purist in me. I also wouldn't be against having all Frosh sit their first year, but I don't think we will ever get that cat back in the bag.
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Left Seater wrote:Count me as one of the fans who doesn't want to see a playoff if it includes more than 4 teams.
You'd never get a true playoff limited to just four teams. The BCS conferences would never go for it.

The closest thing to what you're looking for would either be: (a) Plus One; or (b) an 8-team playoff. If the latter, imho it will inevitably expand to 16 teams.
When he mentions schools not wanting a playoff, who is he talking about? Presidents? ADs? Head Coaches?
My best guess is Presidents. The very term "playoff" allows them to get all high and mighty and start preaching about academics, although we know their use of academics to oppose a playoff is a smokescreen, and not the real reason they oppose a playoff.

The BCS conferences are also opposed to a playoff, btw.

Coaches are too, although their reasons are different (i.e., the status quo rewards mediocrity). They also don't have nearly as much pull on this issue as do the university presidents and the BCS conferences.
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Left Seater wrote:Count me as one of the fans who doesn't want to see a playoff if it includes more than 4 teams.

When he mentions schools not wanting a playoff, who is he talking about? Presidents? ADs? Head Coaches?

I am also against 5 years to play 5 seasons. Mike, said it best it bothers the purist in me. I also wouldn't be against having all Frosh sit their first year, but I don't think we will ever get that cat back in the bag.
But at least you have enough common sense to realize you are in the minority, right?
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Does the majority really want to see three loss teams playing for a national championship?
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Left Seater wrote:Does the majority really want to see three loss teams playing for a national championship?
if they beat undefeated team in the quarters and a 1 loss team in the semi's and whoever else in the Championship game---hell yeah.
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Left Seater wrote:Does the majority really want to see three loss teams playing for a national championship?
I suppose you'll call KU's '89 championship or 'Nova's '86 championship in basketball bullshit, while you're at it. I'm pretty sure they both lost ~ gasp ~ 10 whole games in the regular season.

Instead of existentially giving a nod and a wink to Myles Brand getting away with this ridiculous comment, in this particular thread, you might try arguing why the current system is so boss.

Yeah, I know, you can't. Nor can anyone else.

EOFS.

Let's put it this way:

Anyone arguing "no playoff!" in CF is like any actual man saying to a woman "No sex!" Either you are a complete fucking faggot, a eunuch, a Myles Brand or a SissyCrown.
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Left Seater wrote:Does the majority really want to see three loss teams playing for a national championship?
No but I would like to see the best four or eight prove they are the champs on the field!!!!
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I am not in favor of a playoff unless it includes NCAA generated, balanced schedules. A team with 6 home games should not be held to the same standards as a team with 8
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Amended: Or a Schmick.
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CBB is totally different and you can't compare the two. 98% of teams in CBB are still alive for the NC after the regular season since they can win their conf tourney and get an auto birth to the tourney.

Yes, I want a playoff, but only 4 teams.
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Not to turn this into another playoff thread, but I agree with Left Seater.

Does anyone remember the '85 CBB regular season? Hell no. Because the CBB season is nothing but poll positioning. It doesn't mean squat until the tourney starts.

I'd hate it if CFB turned into that. I could probably go for six teams max, but nothing more than that.

And none of this playing the games at bowl sites. Stupid, stupid idea. The top two teams should earn home field advantage. That, at least, would allow for the possibility of warm climate teams playing in cold snowy December weather.
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when the warm climate teams have 8 home games and 4 of them vs the likes of Wofford, the Citadel, SW Missouri State and Louisina Monroe they should not qualify for the playoffs no matter what their record or ranking may be.
6 home games, 6 road games and the OOC games must be vs BCS level opponents or you dont qualify for the playoffs
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Left Seater wrote:Yes, I want a playoff, but only 4 teams.
Two problems with a four-team playoff.

First, the BCS conferences probably would never go for it, as it would not guarantee any of them a spot in the playoffs. Second, a four-team playoff places too much importance on preseason rankings, which is one of the biggest problems college football has as it is.
Does the majority really want to see three loss teams playing for a national championship?
I'm with King Crimson on this one. When you consider what a three-loss team would have to accomplish in a playoff to get to the championship game, I have no problem with them being there if they manage to pull it off.

Besides, I submit that your fears in that regard may be just a tad overblown. 2006 BCS final regular-season standings. Let's assume that last year college football had a 16-team playoff, with six automatic bids, one for each of the current BCS conferences. In that case, you were likely to see the top 16 teams in the final BCS standings in the playoff. Only one of those teams -- Arkansas -- had as many as three regular-season losses.

The only way you'll routinely see several teams with three or more losses in a playoff is if every conference receives an automatic bid. That could only happen, if at all, in a 16-team playoff. Even if the BCS were to award a seventh automatic bid, to the best conference champion from among the non-BCS conferences, last year that bid would have gone to Boise State.
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While I agree that it would be hard to get the BCS conferences to agree to only 4 teams it is really the only way to do it. I guess you could go to 6 and have the non-bcs conferences get one spot if they meet some standard and bump the lowest ranked BCS conf team.

I agree that we wouldn't see many three loss teams playing in the playoff, but one IMO is too many. I don't think that a team should be playing for a title if they lost 25% of their games over such a short season.

As for the preseson polls becoming to much of a factor, I would argue they already are. Just don't use any polls that have preseason rankings. Hell, no poll should start before Oct anyway.
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L45B wrote:Not to turn this into another playoff thread,
Why not? It's not like we've got only an hour to talk about OU-Texas or Mich-OSU.
Left Seater wrote:CBB is totally different and you can't compare the two.
Sin,

Div. II and Div. III.

You're right in the sense that you can't compare CBB and Div. I -- CBB has no MNC. A championship is actually decided on the court.
98% of teams in CBB are still alive for the NC after the regular season since they can win their conf tourney and get an auto birth to the tourney.
Yeah, because God forbid we have a team like George Mason get to the Final Four in CBB. I mean, all those upsets starting with the conference tournaments really suck. :meds:

I'm not saying it's an all or nothing deal. I would favor a 4-team playoff, as a start. Hell, a plus-1 would be a good start.

But Myles Brand made an asinine statement. Especially when it comes to what "fans support." Period. He's either lying (probably) or a complete and total dumbfuck (also probably).


Btw, I've read this bullshit argument about the regular season rivalries losing their "meaning" because of a playoff. If anyone honestly believes that, I suggest they take a look at the NFL, or CBB, for that matter.

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L45B wrote:Not to turn this into another playoff thread, but I agree with Left Seater.

Does anyone remember the '85 CBB regular season? Hell no. Because the CBB season is nothing but poll positioning. It doesn't mean squat until the tourney starts.

I'd hate it if CFB turned into that. I could probably go for six teams max, but nothing more than that.

And none of this playing the games at bowl sites. Stupid, stupid idea. The top two teams should earn home field advantage. That, at least, would allow for the possibility of warm climate teams playing in cold snowy December weather.
I was only 4 and I remember a number of things that happened during the 1985 season. Next argument?...

I would like to see an eight team playoff starting in mid to late December personally.
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the extreme emphasis on the NCAA CBB tournament and it's "value" as determining a team/season success is a (media, advertising) creation of the last 10-20 years.

and i disagree that the CBB season is exclusively about "poll positioning". conference play is important. and, in fact, the polls are relatively meaningless.

i don't see how the argument can be made that CBB--whether it's tourney seed, rpi, etc.-- is "more" about positioning than CFB and the BCS.
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I am not saying that the CBB tourney isn't great, nor are the upsets. What I am saying is that you can't compare the two sports and use the success of the CBB tourney to support an arguement for a college football playoff.

I will say it again, IMO the CBB tourney is the single greatest event in sports. Part of what makes it so great is that damn near everyone is alive the the NC. The regular season means nothing. Hell, a team could have their best player suspended or out with an injury and lose every game. That player then comes back in time for the conf tourney and the win a spot. That is great. More power to them. It also shows that the regular season is meaningless when it comes to the postseason.

I also agree that Brand is an asshat.

King,

I agree that conference play is important in CBB to us as fans, the players, the schools, etc. But unless you play in a conference in which not all the teams make the conference tourney or a conference without a tourney (IVY) then the regular season is meaningless when it comes to the postseason.


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My problem with the plus 1 system is that often it isn't necessary. Who should Texas have had to play in the plus 1 in 2005? USC in 2004?
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Left Seater wrote:My problem with the plus 1 system is that often it isn't necessary. Who should Texas have had to play in the plus 1 in 2005? USC in 2004?
Imho, if you're going to do Plus One, you have to revamp the current BCS format, at least slightly. Eliminate the 1 vs. 2 matchup. You can then do it one of two ways.

Option One is to create essentially a four-team playoff with the bowl games as the first round and the Plus One game as the championship. In this option, you would use involve two bowl games and four teams every year. One bowl game would host a 1 vs. 4 matchup and the other would host a 2 vs. 3 matchup, with the winners squaring off in the Plus One game. The rest of the BCS would continue pretty much same as usual.

Option Two is to go back essentially to the system in place prior to 1992, which gives conference tie-ins to certain bowl games, and the remaining bowl bids sort of selected ad hoc. If you want to keep a semblance of the BCS in place, these bowls could cooperate by selecting remaining teams on a rotating basis. The problem with this system would be that it would create a sort of free-for-all for the Plus One game, which could be determined by the polls. There's also the possibility of a 1 vs. 2 matchup in the bowl round under this system.

As a practical matter, I think any playoff system that goes into place will prove to be a huge cash cow for the NCAA. That will mean that the NCAA will want to maximize its revenue, and that means 16 teams eventually. If I might be so bold as to offer a prediction, I think they'll try a Plus One game within 5-10 years, then eventually, within another 5-10 years, go to a full-blown playoff with 16 teams.

Btw, if you had a 16-team playoff last year, it might have looked something like this:

#1 Ohio State vs.
#16 Rutgers

#8 Boise State vs.
#9 Auburn

#4 Michigan vs.
#13 Arkansas

#5 USC vs.
#12 West Virginia

#6 Louisville vs.
#11 Notre Dame

#3 LSU vs.
#14 Wake Forest

#7 Wisconsin vs.
#10 Oklahoma

#2 Florida vs.
#15 Virginia Tech

Note: to prevent the possibility of a regular-season rematch in the first round, I swapped out Arkansas with West Virginia and LSU with Michigan. To accomplish the same thing, if you prefer you could swap out Arkansas with Notre Dame and LSU with USC, which yields the following matchups:

#1 Ohio State vs.
#16 Rutgers

#8 Auburn vs.
#9 Boise State

#4 USC vs.
#13 West Virginia

#5 LSU vs.
#12 Notre Dame

#6 Louisville vs.
#11 Arkansas

#3 Michigan vs.
#14 Wake Forest

#7 Wisconsin vs.
#10 Oklahoma

#2 Florida vs.
#15 Virginia Tech

What's not to like about that? All of those teams wound up playing in the postseason anyway. Imho, it would be better if their games had a bearing on the national championship. You get some great OOC matchups, much like the bowl games offer, only the games count for more than just pride.
SunCoastSooner wrote:I would like to see an eight team playoff starting in mid to late December personally.
Won't happen, at least not the part in bold. Remember the justification university presidents have glommed onto in opposing a playoff. Most schools are in finals in mid-December.

My suggestion: keep the bowl games as, for lack of a better phrase, college football's answer to the NIT. Require the bowl games to finish by December 30. Start the playoff on December 31.
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in any playoff or plus one system you must find a way to penalize teams that play 1aa or d2 teams and any team that plays 7 or 8 home games.
If you dont you will see EVERYONE play exclusively weak OOC opponents at home to ensure they have the best chance to get the invitation to the dance.
Where does that leave Notre Dame, with no conference and no Marquee schools willing to play them if theyre competing with other schools whos OOC schedule is Citadel, Wofford, Florida International and SW Missouri State all at home?
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I don't think ND has to worry about marquee schools to play. There are many traditional rivals on ND's schedule who won't drop them. And that's even more likely to be true as long as ND has a television contract and is providing a slice of the revenue to its opponents.

As it is, both the human polls and the computers penalize teams for playing the sort of creampuffs you mention, at least to some degree. Your argument holds water best if you're talking about an extremely restrictive (i.e., two or four teams) or expansive (i.e., 64 teams) playoff field. I favor something in between -- preferably 16 teams, although I might go along with either 8 or 12. Realistically, though, 16 teams is the outer limit of a football playoff, as any field larger than that would stretch the playoff out over too long a period of time.
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I too prefer a 16 team playoff with a 10 game regular season and everyone playing similar 5 home and 5 road game schedules and all games vs teams who are considered among the nations elite. No creampuff games.

I do disagree that if there is a plus one or a 4 or 6 team playoff and some teams are getting in based on their record in an 8 home game schedule, then you will see everyone else go to an 8 home game schedule.
Notre Dame and the NBC Millions will have to step up and guarantee to match whatever a school would miss out on in the playoffs if that team is to go to South Bend and risk losing while other teams are staying at home and playing Western Kentucky in a give me win that keeps them in the playoff hunt and likely pays just as much as going to South Bend does.

Are we privy to what Notre Dame pays a team to go to South Bend and play there? Does Michigan make as much money when they play Central Michigan at the Big House as they do when they play Notre Dame in South Bend, after travel and everything? Add to that what about future lost playoff revenues that Michigan may miss out on if they were to lose at Notre Dame. How much money is Notre Dame willing to part with?
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In the interests of full disclosure, I should point out that part of the reason -- certainly not the only reason, but part of it -- why I support the idea of a 16-team playoff is that I think that is the most likely situation which makes ND's conference affiliation a moot issue. Some here have argued that the BCS status quo is to ND's benefit (I disagree, but the argument is out there). A four-team playoff, depending on the actual logistics adopted, could force ND into a conference (see Lefty's scenario, for example). By contrast, a 16-team playoff guarantees a minimum of five at-large bids. More at-large bids means that ND's situation is more likely to be neither a blessing nor a curse, and thus is the scenario most likely to guarantee ND continued independence, at least imho.

As for scheduling, one could have raised the "who will ND play?" argument in the early 20th century when the Big Ten froze them out. But ND found a way to adapt back then, and I think we'll find a way to do it in the future no matter what obstacles face us. Then again, Kevin White wasn't ND's athletic director back in the early 20th century, so maybe Schmick is onto something. :wink:
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We don't care if it is to Notre Dame's benifit or not.

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It's not to ND's benefit in terms of qualifying for the playoff -- at least, not anymore so than a 16-team playoff would benefit any other school. The most tangible "benefit" ND would receive from such a system would be that ND's status as an independent probably would not be as controversial as it is now. Or at least, as controversial as it is within the confines of this board now.
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Left Seater wrote:As for the preseson polls becoming to much of a factor, I would argue they already are.
Agreed. I'm looking for a solution that rectifies that. Imho, a 16-team playoff field does, in that it provides enough room for a team that doesn't benefit from a lofty pre-season ranking to earn its way in.
Just don't use any polls that have preseason rankings.
Easier said than done. The two polls used by the BCS at current are the USA Today/CNN coaches' poll, and the Harris Poll. I believe both of them have preseason components (could be wrong about the Harris Poll). The other important poll, the AP Poll, has a preseason component.
Hell, no poll should start before Oct anyway.
That ship has already sailed, unfortunately.
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As of October 1st 2007
Auburn would have played 4 home games and 1 road game
LSU will have played 5 home games
Georgia will have played 4 home games and 1 road game
Arkansas will have played 3 home games and 1 road game
the Home games for these teams include toughies like New Mexico State, Middle Tennessee State, Western Carolina, Tulane, Troy and North Texas

I dont see much good in waiting til Ocotber to reward teams who play all their games at home, you may as well not have rankings until November 1st
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I don't get one argument that opponents of a 16-team playoff have made. Namely, that a 16-team playoff would cheapen the regular season.

Huh? I would argue that there are six major spectator team sports in the country: NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, 1-A College football and D1 College basketball. Even with a 16-team playoff, 1-A college football would still have, far and away, the smallest percentage of teams competing for its championship of these sports. A comparison, fwiw:

NBA: 16/30 = 53.3%
NHL: 16/30 = 53.3%
NFL: 12/32 = 37.5%
MLB: 8/30 = 26.7%
D1 College basketball: 65/336 = 19.3% (assuming my count is correct)
1-A College football: 16/119 = 13.4%

And I think it's at least arguably possible that a 16-team playoff would enhance the regular season. Why did tOSU-Texas get so much buzz the past few seasons? Because it was precisely the type of matchup in college football that's gone the way of the dinosaurs: an OOC matchup between two traditional powers who are not rivals with one another and aren't located in the same conference. These days it seems that the only meaningful OOC matchups are between teams who are mandated by a legislature to play each other (think Florida-Florida State, for example) or involve ND. With a greater margin for error in the regular season, I think you might see more of these types of matchups in the future -- at least it would be a realistic hope.
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