Biggio

warren · Post by **warren** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:35 am

This couldn't have happened to a better guy.

3000.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:42 am

Is he HOF-worthy or simply a stat compiler?

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:46 am

No, Biggio Cohen. Just hit 3,000 posts. Huge accomplishment considering he had Cooter hanging from his nutsack the entire time.

RumpleForeskin · Post by **RumpleForeskin** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:25 am

He's a 1st ballot HOFer. Stat compiler wouldn't be a stretch when describing him, but the numbers don't lie. He is first all-time in doubles among right-handed hitters. He's 17 dingers away from 300. I'd say 3000 hits, 400 steals, and 300 HRs gets you in the hall.

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:42 am

<----- Can we get a MLB Forum up in this Biiiiiiiiiotch??????

B.O.T. .....PLUS Biggio played full seasons @ Catcher, 2b and CF. NOBODY on the 3000 hit list did that (3 positions)

i'd say that he's IN....another 17 Hrs would frost the cake.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:23 am

When Ryne Sandberg was inducted it essentially punched Biggio's ticket.

Biggio is a very good player who's stayed healthy and who comes to play every night.
The kind of player you'd want your boy to pattern himself after.

He's never been a GREAT player though, IMO.
Never really come close to being, for example, a league MVP.

RACK Craig Biggio on 3,000!!!

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:20 pm

racks Biggs-- HOF or not !!

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:28 pm

He should be borderline but will no doubt be admitted because:
1. He's been the consummate player his entire career.
2. He's been w/one team his entire career

Mikey · Post by **Mikey** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:27 pm

If he quit playing right now would he be a HOFer?
1st ballot?
Are there any other 2nd basemen with better stats the past 6 years?

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:19 pm

Mikey wrote:If he quit playing right now would he be a HOFer?
1st ballot?
Are there any other 2nd basemen with better stats the past 6 years?

When I visited the HOF (okay, I never did), but I never saw 'The Hall of DH's'.
Inclusion to the HOF should not be based upon stats when compared to others at your position, but rather your stats compared to everyone.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:41 pm

Ken wrote:
Mikey wrote:If he quit playing right now would he be a HOFer?
1st ballot?
Are there any other 2nd basemen with better stats the past 6 years?
When I visited the HOF (okay, I never did), but I never saw 'The Hall of DH's'.
Inclusion to the HOF should not be based upon stats when compared to others at your position, but rather your stats compared to everyone.

Ken,

They're selling a sense of humor over at the FOOTBALL FORUM.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:49 pm

Biggio is a 1st ballot HOFer. Not only did he play 3 positions, he was an all star at two of them. Stat compilers play in the American league (see DHers). Biggio plays everynight in the field and leaves it all on the field.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:59 pm

Speaking of leaving it on the field ..........

They should have left his family OFF the field.

The Rockie infielders should have, to keep their groins loose during the 3,000 w00t w00t jizzfest delay, gone into a little around-the-horn.

Accipurposely wizz the pill straight into the right ear of li'l darling Biggio.

Suit up or get the fuck off the field, assclowns.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:35 pm

poptart wrote:Speaking of leaving it on the field ..........

They should have left his family OFF the field.

The Rockie infielders should have, to keep their groins loose during the 3,000 w00t w00t jizzfest delay, gone into a little around-the-horn.

Accipurposely wizz the pill straight into the right ear of li'l darling Biggio.

Suit up or get the fuck off the field, assclowns.

Bwa...rack.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:15 pm

poptart wrote:Speaking of leaving it on the field ..........

They should have left his family OFF the field.

The Rockie infielders should have, to keep their groins loose during the 3,000 w00t w00t jizzfest delay, gone into a little around-the-horn.

Accipurposely wizz the pill straight into the right ear of li'l darling Biggio.

Suit up or get the fuck off the field, assclowns.

Damn straight!

sin

Darren Baker

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:03 pm

poptart wrote:Speaking of leaving it on the field ..........

They should have left his family OFF the field.

The Rockie infielders should have, to keep their groins loose during the 3,000 w00t w00t jizzfest delay, gone into a little around-the-horn.

Accipurposely wizz the pill straight into the right ear of li'l darling Biggio.

Suit up or get the fuck off the field, assclowns.

I agree. Just like I agree someone should have earholed Cal Ripken when he decided to make his little trot around the entire field.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:33 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:Biggio is a 1st ballot HOFer.

HoFer?

Absolutely. 3000 is kind of a magic number in that regard, more often thatn not. It's kind of its own "lifetime acievement award."

1st ballot? No way in hell.

I remember the Good Old Days, when the 1st ballot was reserved for the elite of the elite. If I had to name curret players that would be 1st balloters, without putting too terribly much thought into it, either if they retired today, or at least players who keep up their production for a few more years to go with their accomplishments to date(by this, I mean I'll leave guys like Ryan Howard out for now)...

Derek Jeter

ARod

Rocket (OK, I started with Yankees, so sue me)

Pedro

Mad Dog

Smoltzie

Maybe Pudge, maybe Pizzaman

There might be a couple of others, but those come to mind quickly.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:43 pm

Stat compiler? I hate that phrase. Well no shit he's a stat compiler. Guys who can play the game typically "compile stats." This isn't complicated stuff. And I don't see how being consistent, maintaining longevity, and staying healthy should work against the guy.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:52 pm

Dins,

I'd give you 10-1 odds on a bet the Bidge gets in on the first ballot.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:53 pm

Babe Ruth? Stat compiler.

Joe DiMaggio? Stat compiler.

Cy Young? Major stat compiler.

Let's not even get into other sports...

Michael Jordan? Stat compiler.

Tiger Woods? Stat compiler.

And Joe Montana piling up those 3 Super Bowl MVPs? Absolutely a case of a stat compiler.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:54 pm

Federer? Fuck that no-talent assclown. That guy's just an overrated championship compiler.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 6:16 pm

Dinsdale
Eternal Scobode

Joined: 14 Jan 2005
Posts: 13927

^^^^^^^^
Stat compiler.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:26 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Stat compiler? I hate that phrase. Well no shit he's a stat compiler. Guys who can play the game typically "compile stats." This isn't complicated stuff. And I don't see how being consistent, maintaining longevity, and staying healthy should work against the guy.

I only used that because it pisses me off anytime some douche uses it to soil Art Monk's HOF credentials.

Rack Goob.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:20 am

Biggio is called a 'stat-compiler' because he's put up exceptional career numbers without ever being recognized as a dominant, great, MVP-type playah.

stuckinia · Post by **stuckinia** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 5:48 am

Horrible trolling endeavour Tardowen. Could you at least put some effort into your next attempt?

warren · Post by **warren** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:43 pm

Toddowen wrote:One stat he's never compiled is playing for New York. Probably why nobody ever heard of him but a bunch of banjo plucking booger flingers.

So out of the hall he stays.

Other than that dinsdale vaginal excretion, you are the most consistent blow jobber this board has ever had.

For the rest of you morons: the guy's been an all-star at three positions for a team that is typically in the hunt and his numbers speak for themselves.

The only way you "compile stats" is to hit the freaking ball, unlike the crack you dipshits inhale they are not for sale in the hood.

You people that continue to suck the life out of any intelligent conversation make me Thank God for my gene pool on a daily basis.

Now go take your 3000th hit off of the TV antennea and do laps around your mom's basement with your ass monkey friends grabbing ass and watching the cameras flash while we enjoy a player with more class and work ethic than any of you fat ass web addicts could possibly imagine.

Feel free to post your stats todd. I guarantee to your a lock for the rest area men's room hall of hand job fame.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 2:41 pm

poptart wrote:Biggio is called a 'stat-compiler' because he's put up exceptional career numbers without ever being recognized as a dominant, great, MVP-type playah.

Kinda like Don Sutton, Paul Molitor, Robin Yount (who was an MVP), and to an extent, Cal Ripken (who is known for, besides his durability, redefining the shortstop position). Steady, consistent, always above-average, long careers. But never dominant.

Which is why, since the place isn't called the Hall of Greatness or Hall of Dominance, Biggio is a lock. Hell, could one consider Tony Gwynn as being dominant? For that matter, even Ty Cobb or Pete Rose? It's tough to look at players primarily known as singles and doubles hitters as being dominant, even though they do what they're paid to do better than 99% of those in similar roles. On the other hand, you've got Sandy Koufax. Short career, but perhaps representative of the essence of dominance. Dude only started 314 games, but completed 137 of 'em!

Irrespective of how one feels about the role character plays in determining HoF enshrinement, the fact is, it matters to those who make the determinations. Biggio has been a class act, a hard-nosed team player, and an All-Star at multiple positions. How can he legitimately be kept out? And I detest the argument that he's not a first-ballot inductee. If we are in agreement, for the most part, that he's worthy even before he has retired, it'd be bullshit for voters to say to themselves as they consider him during his first year of eligibility, "Well, maybe I'll vote for him next year, but he wasn't great enough to vote for this time around." He either is or isn't worthy, and if he is, you vote him in. End of story.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:46 pm

warren wrote:a player with more class and work ethic than any of you fat ass web addicts could possibly imagine.

Uhm, dude... you do know he's a roider, right?

Terry in Crapchester · Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:32 pm

Qbert wrote:Biggio played full seasons @ Catcher, 2b and CF. NOBODY on the 3000 hit list did that (3 positions)

Pete Rose -- 2B, RF, LF, 3B, 1B. That's 5 positions, although in fairness, none of them are anywhere near as demanding as catcher.

rozy · Post by **rozy** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:39 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
warren wrote:a player with more class and work ethic than any of you fat ass web addicts could possibly imagine.

Uhm, dude... you do know he's a roider, right?

not enough cliches for him to have written this

but RACK him for it anyhoo.

Dins, as much as I don't like Biggio while at the same time enjoying a good troll job, you can save it this time. Your first 2 posts were much better than this one, though I agree with the old man named chan on the 1st ballot thought. Bidge did inspire my own personal favorite thread I started on these boards. Wish the powers that be WOULD RE-OPEN TSB!!!

Smackie, don't tarnish Molitor. Sutton, Yount, and Bidge deserve it but on their best days they are no Paul Molitor. Watch some highlights of the '93 postseason. Jeter will be the ONLY player that can say he performed close to THAT level when it counted.

Ken · Post by **Ken** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:45 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
warren wrote:a player with more class and work ethic than any of you fat ass web addicts could possibly imagine.

Uhm, dude... you do know he's a roider, right?

Which brings up another point- it's the people like Biggio who I think comprise the highest % of 'roiders. All the attention is paid to the beefed up HR hitters like Barroid, Sosa, McGuire, etc, etc. Screw that... it's the Biggios of the league who use 'em to get over the hump to stay in the majors (not to say someone like Biggio wouldn't need 'em to stay in the bigs).

Jack Wilson, Pirates SS, to me is the prime example. I'd bet my bottom dollar that he used at one time to maintain a level of play that kept him in the bigs. To illustrate, the 'roid crackdown a couple years ago has really made a difference in Jack's play. Prior, he was at least a .300 batter and good for 15 or so HR's. Now? Bwhaaa. Still one fo the best infielders in the game, but his hitting has lagged waaaaay behind. It is w/this type of player that I think the roids made the biggest difference.

Terry in Crapchester · Sat Jun 30, 2007 6:54 pm

rozy wrote:Smackie, don't tarnish Molitor. Sutton, Yount, and Bidge deserve it but on their best days they are no Paul Molitor. Watch some highlights of the '93 postseason. Jeter will be the ONLY player that can say he performed close to THAT level when it counted.

Speaking of Molitor, I think he qualifies under my previous point as well.

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:14 pm

rozy wrote:Smackie, don't tarnish Molitor.

I wasn't trying to tarnish him. I was just saying that he is (rightfully) lumped in with other HoF'ers whose careers were defined by steadiness and durability rather than dominance or the ability to instill fear in opposing pitchers and managers. Do you think he's in the Hall because of his '93 postseason performance, or because of the career numbers he achieved? The "Fame" in "Hall of Fame" is defined a number of different ways. Had J.R Richard or Tony Conigliaro been able to extend their careers a few more years, they woulda been enshrined because of dominance, not necessarily durability. I'm not saying Molitor shouldn't be in there (although, even as a lifelong Dodgers fan, I question Sutton's induction). My point is that the variety of fame for which Molitor is known is not one of dominance. He never won an MVP Award or a batting title. He did, however, win four Silver Slugger Awards, was a seven-time All-Star, and led the league in runs scored thrice. Taken as a whole, his career more closely resembled those of the players I mentioned than it did that of Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Aaron, Koufax, or future inductees such as Bonds or Sosa.

Can you seriously argue otherwise?

bbqjones · Post by **bbqjones** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 8:23 pm

Smackie Chan wrote: Robin Yount (who was an MVP)

two timer

warren · Post by **warren** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 9:08 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
warren wrote:a player with more class and work ethic than any of you fat ass web addicts could possibly imagine.

Uhm, dude... you do know he's a roider, right?

I know man, he's a freaking monster. I mean, look at those biceps.

There's nothing left of this shithole but the stink.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:11 pm

Qbert wrote:<----- Can we get a MLB Forum up in this Biiiiiiiiiotch??????

B.O.T. .....PLUS Biggio played full seasons @ Catcher, 2b and CF. NOBODY on the 3000 hit list did that (3 positions)

i'd say that he's IN....another 17 Hrs would frost the cake.

He's also 3 away from the all time Hit By Pitch record currently held by Hughie Jennings.

Why couldn't Bonds be tracking down THAT record?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:37 pm

BSmack wrote:
He's also 3 away from the all time Hit By Pitch record currently held by Hughie Jennings.

A dude who wears armor head to toe?

NO WAY!!!

Who woulda thunk it?

If I was on the mound tossing against a guy gunning for a milestone, you can bet your bottom dollar that he would have broken HBP before he got to 3000.

Unrack NL pitchers. How Barroid hasn't had to retire due to concussions is beyond me. Hell, pitchers could claim that the pitch was in the zone, but the gravitational field from the HGH melon drew the ball into its orbit.

BTW -- I couldn't stop laughing at the pics of Bags when he came out to congratulate Biggs. No, he hasn't dropped about 150 pounds in the last year or so. Either he's come down with a nasty case of HIV, or there might be something else going on. But I'm sure his "best friend" knew nothing about it, and had NOTHING to do with such things.

poptart · Post by **poptart** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:00 am

Smackie Chan wrote:The "Fame" in "Hall of Fame" is defined a number of different ways.

A good take.

Qbert · Post by **Qbert** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:52 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Qbert wrote:Biggio played full seasons @ Catcher, 2b and CF. NOBODY on the 3000 hit list did that (3 positions)
Pete Rose -- 2B, RF, LF, 3B, 1B. That's 5 positions, although in fairness, none of them are anywhere near as demanding as catcher.

Agreed.

and in fairness....(Pete was probably left off of the List?)

<save it....I'm a ROSE Honk.>

Smackie Chan · Post by **Smackie Chan** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:18 am

88 wrote:
Terry in Crapchester wrote:
Qbert wrote:Biggio played full seasons @ Catcher, 2b and CF. NOBODY on the 3000 hit list did that (3 positions)
Pete Rose -- 2B, RF, LF, 3B, 1B. That's 5 positions, although in fairness, none of them are anywhere near as demanding as catcher.
Rose ain't in the HOF, dog.

TiC said the 3K hit list, not HoF.