By the way, RACK the Pac-10

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:52 pm

Sure, it's belated...but I need to rack them for using the 12th game to make all conference teams play one another.

Everybody else is using it to schedule 1-AA opponents, which is most unRACKable - unless you're Bill Snyder, I guess...

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:07 pm

They just figured it was an easier game... ;)

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:12 pm

Rumor has it that the PSU AD will be parading Coastal Carolina before the home crowd in the near future.

:brad:

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:26 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Rumor has it that the PSU AD will be parading Coastal Carolina before the home crowd in the near future.

:brad:

I'd take them +2.5 at Stanford...

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:00 pm

Rack the schedule.

A little heat coming onto Les Miles re;comments made in reference to the Pac10 and USC.....

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MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:31 pm

Jaysus, that was a horribly written article although I agree with his point.

As for Les Miles, yeah, it's easy to criticize USC's "road to a national title" when you discount their (routinely) challenging out of conference slate. Especially when they're playing superpowers like Texas and Ohio St. Playing a powerhouse from another conference, whom you're wholly unfamiliar with, is quite a bit more difficult than playing a dominant conference foe you are familiar with, imo.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:13 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Rumor has it that the PSU AD will be parading Coastal Carolina before the home crowd in the near future.

Ya'know... I understand doing the 1-AA cupcake thing. I'm actually OK with it, so long as it's only every few years. BUT -- I can only stretch the limits of being a fan, and condone this scheduling when you're scheduling an in-state scrub squad. While it is a cupcake game, there are finances involved in major sports. That crap-game becomes a much more noble thing when you're pumping money into the coffers of a smaller school within the same state. I mean, that way a portion of the gate goes directly into your own state's higher education fund.

In my opinion, this is justified every few years. But why the hell do it with an out-of-state school? That's nuts.

If Oregon plays Portland State every couplefew years, more power to them. It's not like Portland State has some huge, successful athletic department to generate revenue(although the funny thing is, Portland State is a larger school than Oregon). Plus it gets two sets of fans together who deal with each other in every day life. And I'm guessing there's a similar scenario that can be played out with just about any D1 school, I'm just using an example I'm familiar with.

Sharing the wealth is not such a bad thing. But when Oregon schedules Eastern Washington, or crap like that, it removes any of the financial justifications that almost make that bullshit excusable.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Playing a powerhouse from another conference, whom you're wholly unfamiliar with, is quite a bit more difficult than playing a dominant conference foe you are familiar with, imo.

Agreed. Most of the systems in the PAC are established, and most of them are fairly similar. When USC goes into Oregon or Wazzu, they know what's going to happen -- some exaggerated West Coast offense, lots of quick outs to the jocks, the TE coming over the middle...same stuff they've seen for years, and even the new twists on it aren't much different. Lot's up cheating up in the secondary, which the offense is going to try and identify and air it up. All in all, pretty standard stuff. But again using an example I'm familiar with... Oregon has played OU 3 times in the last few years. And that Big Time POWER CFB OU plays isn't what we're used to seeing. And when OU got everyone tired and broken down, they played ball-control with AD. Here Out West, when the opposing defense starts to wear down, you try and take advantage with a home run. I'm not saying one style is better than the other(whole different thread, and that makes for better in-season debate, when it can be proven on the field), it's just not what we're used to seeing in 9 games a year.

Although, I'll tell you what -- I believe the slightly different styles of play from region to region is what makes CFB so freaking cool, and those differences don't exist in the NFL. Matter of fact, if you think about it -- the SEC and Southeast in general like to play a power/speed game. They do it slow and steady, and if the defense wears down at the end, they run them over like yesterday's roadkill. I assume this style lends itself well to playing in hot, humid conditions. Then look at the Northwest teams, and they start the season in the heat, and try to do their damage early with the longball. As the season progresses, it starts to get wet out, and the style ever so subtly shifts to very short, quick passing routes, which are by far the most effective way of moving the ball in the wet. In the Northeast, they just like to line up close together, to stay warm...and because they're gay.

Although it kind of bums me that Nebraska got away from the old Power-I-thingamajig. I always loved watching that symphonic, concerted push of the O-line. You don't hire an OC to run that -- you hire a choreographer. When they had that going, it was a thing of beauty to a purist. How the hell do you get 6 yards up the middle against 10 in the box? I think CFB really lost something when Big Red got away from the strictly ram-it-down-your-fucking-throat offense. I loved that.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:59 pm

^^^^^^^^^

Paging Brad Husker history about power I/Option in 5..4..3..2..1...

that is what amazed me about them as well you knew what was coming but you couldn't stop it...AWESOME sheer brute force...

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:14 pm

sheer brute force, but also multiple blocking schemes. you may know what play they were going to run, but not how they were gonna block it on the LOS.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:28 pm

Richie Incognito never had to use a to go container.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:56 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:Jaysus, that was a horribly written article although I agree with his point.

As for Les Miles, yeah, it's easy to criticize USC's "road to a national title" when you discount their (routinely) challenging out of conference slate. Especially when they're playing superpowers like Texas and Ohio St. Playing a powerhouse from another conference, whom you're wholly unfamiliar with, is quite a bit more difficult than playing a dominant conference foe you are familiar with, imo.

I would have to disagree, if that was the case why is it that conference opponents have given USC much much more trouble the last few years than other conferences "Powers"? I think familliarity gives a team a leg up as they know what to expect, recognize formations and plays and know what individual opponents abilities are. many of the players in the Pac 10 have played vs one another since they were 7 or 8 years old and went to camp after camp with eachother, fewer surprises when you play conference games

King Crimson wrote:sheer brute force, but also multiple blocking schemes. you may know what play they were going to run, but not how they were gonna block it on the LOS.

How many times have I heard that the little pussies at USC were not going to be able to stand up to the sheer brute force of Iowa, Auburn, Michigan, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nebraska... none of those schools were able to push little USC and their surfers around, those "brute" schools were blown out of the stadiums by the fluffy soft underweight Trojans

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:19 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote:
How many times have I heard that the little pussies at USC were not going to be able to stand up to the sheer brute force of Iowa, Auburn, Michigan, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Nebraska... none of those schools were able to push little USC and their surfers around, those "brute" schools were blown out of the stadiums by the fluffy soft underweight Trojans

we're talking about when Nebraska ran the option. and the bradhusker reference would put it in the mid 90's. not last year or just since Carson Palmer's senior year.

do you always masturbate in public?

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:21 pm

SoCalTrjn wrote: I would have to disagree, if that was the case why is it that conference opponents have given USC much much more trouble the last few years than other conferences "Powers"?

That may be the case for USC, I don't know. Their experiences wouldn't logically apply for everyone else though. I was making a general observation in that it's practical to assume that facing an opponent whose style you're unfamiliar with, in an environment you're unfamiliar with would be more difficult than what you know.

I think familliarity gives a team a leg up as they know what to expect, recognize formations and plays and know what individual opponents abilities are.

Uhhh, well yeah, that was my whole point. You're a strange dude, Toejam.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:57 pm

Rack King Crimson...figures schmick would not get what we were talking about...

good point on the multiple schemes at the LOS...let's not forget Phillps, Frazier and the whitey Full Back were just fucking awesome in how they kept their spacing, etc...fucking A...as much as I hate to admit it they were fucking awesome...I still would have loved to have seen 94 PSU vs 94 Nebraska...

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:41 am

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
I think familliarity gives a team a leg up as they know what to expect, recognize formations and plays and know what individual opponents abilities are.
Uhhh, well yeah, that was my whole point. You're a strange dude, Toejam.

point being that the opponent youre used to is used to you and more likely to come up with a better game than an opponent not sure what theyre up against

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:27 pm

Thanks for stating what the point is a third time, Schmick. Go ahead and assume that most of us got it the first time around...

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:36 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:I still would have loved to have seen 94 PSU vs 94 Nebraska...

Us too.

Sin,
94 Ducks

Q, West Coast Style · Post by **Q, West Coast Style** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:27 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
buckeye_in_sc wrote:I still would have loved to have seen 94 PSU vs 94 Nebraska...

Us too.

Sin,
94 Ducks

Don't underrate that game. 95 Rose Bowl was a helluva game. Danny O'Neil and Co. had Coke Bottles on the ropes late in the 3rd with TD catch by C-Mac. PSU retunred the ensuing kickoff almost all the way and then scored, then gotta pick that set up another score, game over.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:52 pm

^^ I remember that game very well, in fact I think I have it on VHS somewhere. KiJana Carter took it to the house on PSU's first play from scrimmage, but the UO defense held them in check for the majority of the first half. That's back when Oregon's unis were somewhat tolerable.

Terry in Crapchester · Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:09 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Everybody else is using it to schedule 1-AA opponents, which is most unRACKable - unless you're Bill Snyder, I guess...

ND at least scheduled Army. Not a worldbeater by any stretch of the imagination, but at least they're a 1-A school. And ND-Army at one time had a meaningful rivalry, so the game was a nod toward ND's tradition.

King Crimson wrote:do you always masturbate in public?

When did you stop beating your wife? :wink:

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:14 pm

PSU simply crushed Oregon in the '95 Rose. There was a time where Paterno took the air out of the ball...i.e. beginning with PSU's second offensive possession...but don't get confused about what was possible in that game.

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:59 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
PSUFAN wrote:Everybody else is using it to schedule 1-AA opponents, which is most unRACKable - unless you're Bill Snyder, I guess...
ND at least scheduled Army. Not a worldbeater by any stretch of the imagination, but at least they're a 1-A school. And ND-Army at one time had a meaningful rivalry, so the game was a not toward ND's tradition.

The addition of the 12th game helped us solidy more games with Miami. By no means do we play that difficult an OOC (1 1-AA, 2 Non-BCS, 2 BCS for the coming years), but we're getting some more recognizable BCS opponents on the schedule due to the 12th game (Miami, Michigan State, Indiana, NC State).

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 5:33 pm

Q, West Coast Style wrote:Danny O'Neil

Ah, old Danny Boy. That guy was a high NFL draft pick, but suddenly decided football was at odds with his religion. That brought an end to the string of every Oregon starting QB playing in the NFL for however many years it was. Remember, he was succeeded by(working from memory) -- Graziani(greatest player in Arena League history, very short NFL stint), Akili, AJ Feeley, Joey...then, the Dark Years came. I couldn't stop fucking laughing when Jason The Cardinal Fife declared for the NFL draft... yeah, good luck with that, buddy. Of course, the only real stater since him is in the NFL now... a true QB Factory.

then gotta pick that set up another score, game over.

IF my memory is working(rare), it was Joe Jurevicius getting a pass from Kerry Vodka Collins that iced it.

That was one hell of a team JoPa had. That was also one of the last great traditional Big10/Pac10 Rose Bowls. I know they're trying to continue the tradition, but it's not quite the same as the old days of "we don't give a fuck what the rest of the country is doing -- we're the motherfucking PAC Fucking Ten, and we'll do as we please, and we'll take our old friends from the Big 10 along for the ride." I mean sure, PSU was obviously a fairly new addition the the B11 at that point, but being a traditional powerhouse and previous contender in the Rose, it just made the B11/PAC10 frienship/rivalry that much sweeter.

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:36 pm

The Oregon and Washington schools have always been cool to Fresno State. It all goes back to when Jim Sweeney at Wazzu went to the Raiders then FS. Since then, he's developed a lot of assistant coaches that are all over the PAC 10. Mike Belotti has one or two former FS assistants with him on his present staff, as Jeff Tedford went to Cal.

The 4 U&L teams will play H&H's w/ FS and it's cool to see the games being competitive (except for that shitty FS team from last year). I don't think they'll be much better this year either.

For those that laugh at Portland State, they are a very good I-AA program. They just aren't going to get the horses to play there.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 6:49 pm

My bluster above notwithstanding, O'Neil played very well that day.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:24 pm

Atomic Punk wrote:For those that laugh at Portland State, they are a very good I-AA program. They just aren't going to get the horses to play there.

They're doing a little better pulling recruits than you might think, and it should improve as long as Elvis is in the building.

I don't know how they'll roll with Jerry at the helm... but I can tell you, that while Pokey was running things, he made up for the lack of athletes that 1-AA tends to be lacking in, with a certain unwritten policy.

I know this guy..... He went to Portland State a few years ago, playing for Pokey Allen. In the name of secrecy, I won't even mention what position he played... but it wasn't a lineman. Since he loved football, wanted to be the biggest 1-AA star he could, and certainly wanted to keep his scholly, he resorted to certain means to get an edge.

Uhm...think Balco or Barry Bonds.

Dude(obviously remaining nameless), by the time he was done, was running 4.30 in the 40, while weighing in at 255 pounds (:thatbugeyedsmileything:). I'm pretty sure this would have raised some red flags in D1A, but I guess in 1-AA, no one says much.

But dude said he was quite confident that the coach and staff knew full-well what was going on, and he said he was far from the only one on the team hitting the juice. He said it was almost comical the blind eye that was turned by the staff and school.

I wonder if Glanville is going to have that same blind eye going on? It's a great way to counteract the æffects of undersized athletes.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:52 pm

Uhm...yeah, Sam. Whatever you say.

Because goodness knows, when every single starting QB except one(who ducked the draft for religious reasons, and he was probably the best of the bunch) for a 20 year stretch becomes an NFL quarterback, it definitely speaks to how poorly you're recruiting at that position.

Think about that -- besides the best starting QB, every single one of them got an NFL job for about 20 years.

I'd smack you for being a complete fucking idiot, but you're an SEC honk, so I wouldn't be bringing any new material to the table.

Except now, somebody is going to name some scrubby starter, and prove my facts to be incorrect... I'm counting on it.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:09 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:Remember, he was succeeded by(working from memory) -- Graziani(greatest player in Arena League history, very short NFL stint), Akili, AJ Feeley, Joey...then, the Dark Years came.
Then the dark years came? Then? BWAHAHAHA!!!!

Those guys make Tedford's QBs look like NFL Hall of Famers.

PSSSST!

Hey Sam, I know SEC Ballsucking Homer should never have to make excuses for not knowing what the fuck they're talking about before trying to crack wise, but...

Akili, AJ, and Joey were Tedford's guys, douche.

Oh, and that's right -- they've all held jobs as starting NFL QBs at one time or another.

But, that doesn't really matter, now does it. I'm pretty freaking sure we're talking about college football, and superior performances in CFB are what get you picked by NFL teams and given a shot at high-profile starting jobs... tell me you knew?

Or are you going to try and ague that Billy Sims wasn't a good CFB player because he didn't have a long NFL career? How about Boz -- is his college career laugh-worthy?

Akili, AJ(in his brief time as starter, until Joey took his job), and Joey were EXCELLENT college QBs. To even try and argue otherwise would make you...well... it would make you look like the average SEC fan -- stupid.

Akili and Joey were freaking Heisman cadidates, you raging dumbfuck. But hey, go ahead and make your case that they were somehow bad CFB players... go right ahead... I'll be waiting.

The Dark Years refer to the time that the QB recruits didn't quite pan out, and Oregon got fucked out of the Championship Game due top a loss to Stanford(first home loss in forever), which can be directly attributed to Jason Fife playing special teams, and "matadoring" his guy through the line which allowed Stanfurd to block punts... twice, which was the direct cause of the loss, which was the direct cause of missing the Championship Game(although the pollsters jacked us, since Oregon was CLEARLY a better team than Nebraska that year, and it wasn't even close). Then, somehow the coaches suffered dementia at the same time, and decided to turn the keys of the team over to Fife, in the form of making him the starting QB.

Unmitigated DISASTER. I doubt that guy can show his face in safety in Eugene any more, since there's a widely held conspiracy theory that Fife got paid to tank that game... there's no other explaination for someone doing what he did in that loss.

Does that explain it to SEC fan a little better? Or should I just mumble a lot and call everyone Cletus to get SEC Douche to get a grasp on reality?

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:29 pm

2 Oregon players gone...

Myles Wade DNQ and Dexter Manley II is transferring

Wade...

is a big loss for them; one of the top DL prospects out of the NW in years...and once again Oregon's supposed fantastic recruiting goes up in smoke.

Opps... my bad

Wade wasn't alone. Simi Fili and JC receiver Richard Matthews both didn't qualify as well.

I guess flat screen tvs and xboxs don't help you qualify academically. who knew?

Ouch...

Wade, Fili, and Manley II. Their D-line really needed those guys. I almost feel sorry for them

http://www.registerguard.com/news/2007/ ... n=oregonfb

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:32 pm

Attempt all the humor you like, so long as it doesn't conjure up images of Jason Fucking Fife.

How about "the Ducks had some excellent QB prospects, but Haloti Ngata ate them."

Or, "Dude, WTF? You been spending your off time stealing baggies out of Onterrio Smith's locker?"

Dude, the potential is nearly limitless -- just don't bring up Jason Fife, of say anything that might even remind Duckfan about Jason Fife, and I won't have to go to Bama to kill you.

Jason Fife jokes might be funny in another 30 years...maybe.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:34 pm

Yeah, Manley looked pretty manly last year.

The rest... well... whopp-dee-doo.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:39 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:We have a couple names like that at Bama, but I have buried them so deep within the recesses of my brain that you couldn't coax them out by offering me daily BJs performed by _______________(insert board's favorite chick of the hour here).

Oh, dude --

I will think upon Fife as dead, until the Football Fates make it so... then, I will think on him no more.

Blueblood · Post by **Blueblood** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:44 pm

Dinsdale wrote:The rest... well... whopp-dee-doo.

You seem to be in the minority at the moment...

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=128#S=12 ... 3&T=706570