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http://www.history.com/tdih.do?action=t ... ry&id=5189

38 years ago today, a major news/political incident occurred on a dark wooden bridge at Chappaquiddick Island. Accidents happen but did Senator Ted Kennedy commit a crime that had you been the driver would you be in jail? I'm sure there are plenty of web pages that offer different angles to what happened but this is the link to the one from This day in History.
1969 : Incident on Chappaquiddick Island

Shortly after leaving a party on Chappaquiddick Island, Senator Edward "Ted" Kennedy of Massachusetts drives an Oldsmobile off a wooden bridge into a tide-swept pond. Kennedy escaped the submerged car, but his passenger, 28-year-old Mary Jo Kopechne, did not. The senator did not report the fatal car accident for 10 hours.

On the evening of July 18, 1969, while most Americans were home watching television reports on the progress of the Apollo 11 lunar landing mission, Kennedy and his cousin Joe Gargan were hosting a cookout and party at a rented cottage on Chappaquiddick Island, an affluent island near Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. The party was planned as a reunion for Kopechne and five other women, all veterans of the late Senator Robert F. Kennedy's 1968 presidential campaign. Bobby Kennedy was Ted Kennedy's older brother, and following Bobby's assassination in June 1968 Ted took up his family's political torch. In 1969, Ted Kennedy was elected majority whip in the U.S. Senate, and he seemed an early front-runner for the 1972 Democratic presidential nomination.

Just after 11 p.m., Kennedy left the party with Kopechne, by his account to drive to the ferry slip where they would catch a boat back to their respective lodgings in Edgartown on Martha's Vineyard. While driving down the main roadway, Kennedy took a sharp turn onto the unpaved Dike Road, drove for a short distance, and then missed the ramp to a narrow wooden bridge and drove into Poucha Pond. Kennedy, a married man, claimed the Dike Road excursion was a wrong turn. However, both he and Kopechne had previously driven down the same road, which led to a secluded ocean beach just beyond the bridge. In addition, Kopechne had left both her purse and room key at the party.

Kennedy escaped the car and then dove down in an attempt to retrieve Kopechne from the sunken Oldsmobile. Failing, he stumbled back to the cottage, where he enlisted Gargan and another friend in a second attempt to save Kopechne. The three men were unsuccessful; her body was not recovered. The trio then went to the ferry slip, where Kennedy dove into the water and swam back to Edgartown, about a mile away. He returned to his room at the Shiretown Inn, changed his clothes, and at 2:25 a.m. stepped out of his room when he spotted the innkeeper, Russell Peachey. He told Peachey that he been awakened by noise next door and asked what time it was. He then returned to his room.

Was Kennedy trying to establish an alibi? In Leo Damore's Senatorial Privilege--the Chappaquiddick Cover-up (1988), the author recounts an interview with Joe Gargan in which Gargan claimed that Kennedy had plotted to make Kopechne the driver and sole occupant of the automobile. Whatever Kennedy's intentions, on the morning of July 19 he went back to Chappaquiddick Island and then returned to Edgartown. At 9:45 a.m., 10 hours after driving off Dike Road bridge, Kennedy reported the accident to Edgartown Police Chief Dominick Arena and admitted that he was the driver.

On July 25, Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, received a two-month suspended sentence, and had his license suspended for a year. That evening, in a televised statement, he called the delayed reporting of the accident "indefensible" but vehemently denied that he been involved in any improprieties with Kopeche. He also asked his constituents to help him decide whether to continue his political career. Receiving a positive response, he resumed his senatorial duties at the end of a month.

There is speculation that he used his considerable influence to avoid more serious charges that could have resulted from the episode. Although the incident on Chappaquiddick Island derailed his presidential hopes, Kennedy continued to serve as a U.S. senator of Massachusetts into the 21st century.
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Do I believe money, fame and influence can get you out of a jam? Damn straight...happens in all walks of life, all avenues of work, all the time. It didn't surprise me then and it doesn't surprise me now. Probably many of you were either not even born when this happened. I can remember watching this on a Philco back at Offutt AFB, Nebraska. I remember my dad sitting in his club chair saying, "Dude is screwed like a tied up hound." My mom got all pissed and told Dad to watch what he says. I looked back at my dad and he whispers, "You watch boy, he'll get off."

Now times have changed and we got some Senator who's getting dimed up for wanting to be spanked while he wears a diaper. I wonder if Ted's going to give him some advice on what to do now. Is there anybody around that bought his story, besides some state in the U & R? Mind boggling.

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I wonder how many Kennedy dollars the family of Mary Jo took ??
Guess we'll never know--and that asshole still sits in the US Senate
--nice going people of Massachusetts !!
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Lighten up, Luther.

It's not like Teddy excaped punishment entirely. He lost his damn driver's license for, like, 30 days.

You act like he got off scott free
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Do I believe money, fame and influence can get you out of a jam? Damn straight...
Then why do folks pop a blood vessel over the possibility that white skin privilege can exist?

Anyway, this is the picture that always got me, this and the one describing the air pocket that came out of the trunk:

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Kennedy escaped the car and then dove down in an attempt to retrieve Kopechne from the sunken Oldsmobile. Failing, he stumbled back to the cottage, where he enlisted Gargan and another friend in a second attempt to save Kopechne. The three men were unsuccessful; her body was not recovered. The trio then went to the ferry slip, where Kennedy dove into the water and swam back to Edgartown, about a mile away. He returned to his room at the Shiretown Inn, changed his clothes, and at 2:25 a.m. stepped out of his room when he spotted the innkeeper, Russell Peachey. He told Peachey that he been awakened by noise next door and asked what time it was. He then returned to his room.

Was Kennedy trying to establish an alibi? In Leo Damore's Senatorial Privilege--the Chappaquiddick Cover-up (1988), the author recounts an interview with Joe Gargan in which Gargan claimed that Kennedy had plotted to make Kopechne the driver and sole occupant of the automobile.
Yes, Teddy was attempting to establish an alibi. Duh.

He came from a family of liars, whose scion was an underworld figure with country club ambitions. I always thought Mary Jo was just one of many stupid hoes in the Kennedy groupie stable, but that didn't warrant her drowning to death. Teddy's mistake was attempting to retrieve the car all by himself. It's a fucking car. Did he really expect to be able to swim down there and get her out? and once he did, then what? if she was alive, she'd need serious hush money to shut up about his unbelieveable cowardice. if she were not alive, there'd now be a body to get rid of. His involving other people in his bullshit (to better cushion himself from the inevitable?) is unconscionable. But again, he comes from a family of liars.

I don't think he was involving those two dudes in order to save her, at all. There was another alibi at work. The servant alibi was just code for 'keep your mouth shut, peon'.
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money, fame and influence

how could that possibly help someone who
comitted a crime ?

sgned--OJ
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mvscal wrote:
Risa wrote:
Do I believe money, fame and influence can get you out of a jam? Damn straight...
Then why do folks pop a blood vessel over the possibility that white skin privilege can exist?
Because money, fame and influence have jack shit to do with the color of your skin.
The issue was about getting out of a jam.... like this guy, for over 40 years.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=10741271
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"Thomas Moore, the older brother of Charles Eddie Moore, told NPR that he and his family spent years searching for information about the murders. "My family — there was no way we could forget it, but we didn't want to remember," Moore said.

Moore said that at the time, a local sheriff sent his mother more than 150 miles away when she began asking questions about the incident. Moore said he has had nightmares about the murders throughout his life.

"We didn't have money to solicit help from attorneys," Moore said. "So the old saying is, we just had to eat it up.".....


Teddy Kennedy was not the only asshole from that era. And yes, he should be made to stand trial and see justice for what he did to Mary Jo........... same with Roman 'I'm gonna milk my Holocaust experience for all the sympathy it's worth' Polanski, to be off topic. The only good thing is that, sometimes -- as with this Seale dude -- times change enough that the status quo changes, too.

Perhaps, one day, that day will come for Teddy -- or Teddy will break, himself -- and it won't be a political thing. It'll be an redemption thing. Teddy needs to break, on this one. Like I said, reading about the air pocket in the trunk was fucked up. I hope Mary Jo died immediately. I really hope she did.

Or maybe she was already dead (but they found water in her lungs, right)? poor Mary Jo. Even if she was a ho, you just don't kill people like that.
The Irish were (and still are, IMO) no better than n...iggers and were commonly regarded as such in America.
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mvscal wrote:
Risa wrote:
Do I believe money, fame and influence can get you out of a jam? Damn straight...
Then why do folks pop a blood vessel over the possibility that white skin privilege can exist?
Because money, fame and influence have jack shit to do with the color of your skin. The Irish were (and still are, IMO) no better than n...iggers and were commonly regarded as such in America.
Uh, TOTAL bullshit as usual, babs.

In 1960, an Irishman was elected president. And he'd been a senator. You're all fucked up--totally drunk, tethered to your keyboard as usual, spouting the usual knee-jerk nonsense that...who is supposed to believe?

Really? Who do you think you're still selling?

You're ENTIRE paradigm of John Wayne (closet gay) jingoistic bullshit is drastically played out, there's no one left but Dick Cheney and his insane wife committing suicide in the bunker.

What part of you refuses to WAKE THE FUCK UP!!
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mvscal wrote:
Risa wrote:
Do I believe money, fame and influence can get you out of a jam? Damn straight...
Then why do folks pop a blood vessel over the possibility that white skin privilege can exist?
Because money, fame and influence have jack shit to do with the color of your skin. The Irish were (and still are, IMO) no better than n...iggers and were commonly regarded as such in America.
Uh, TOTAL bullshit as usual, babs.

In 1960, an Irishman was elected president. And he'd been a senator. You're all fucked up--totally drunk, tethered to your keyboard as usual, spouting the usual knee-jerk nonsense that...who is supposed to believe?

Really? Who do you think you're still selling?

Your ENTIRE paradigm of John Wayne (closet gay) jingoistic bullshit is drastically played out, there's no one left but Dick Cheney and his insane wife committing suicide in the bunker.

What part of you refuses to WAKE THE FUCK UP!!
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mvscal wrote:Maybe, if you try real hard and apply yourselves, one day n...iggers too shall enjoy the same lofty social status as Mexicans.

Good luck and godspeed.


Fuck, you realize that could take centuries and centuries of evolution...

And by then all the crops will have been picked and cotton plucked.
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Mgo, that song is gay :lol: Can you do a Dick-Lovitz remix?

Mvscal and Imus, that was lame.
Toddowen wrote: C'mon...You think Ed is going to let her ruin his reputation by being able to talk? You think someone who can swim a mile across a ferry landing at two in the morning can't enter a car half submerged in water in a little pond?
He was drunk. Allegedly. Since, sometimes, folks truer self comes out while drunk his sense of self-preservation was strong. His desire to save Mary Jo was not.

So, why did he want her dead?
They checked for water in her lungs and called it drowning. They probably disregarded any other signs of trauma.
That's what worried me. I don't buy the 'she was pregnant' bit offered by grassroots political rivals. You don't have to be pregnant to make a dude mad at you.

He wanted her dead. I don't buy her family and supporters trying to make her out to be a saint, either.

But did they officially check for those 'other signs of trauma'?

Oh well...It's all water under the bridge now.
Is Mary Jo the reason why Teddy never became president? or something else?
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Risa wrote:Mgo, that song is gay
And you enjoy munching rug, yes? So what exactly is the problem?

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Mary Jo: Ted, I’ve got some bad news for you.
Ted: What’s that, Mary Jo?
Mary Jo: I’m pregnant.
Ted: Hmmm.
Mary Jo: Well, what are we going to do about the baby?
Ted: Don’t worry, we’ll drive off that bridge when we get to it.
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:D :D , Goober. Plus, I didn't know Mgo could sing either.

Fat Ted has been a senator for what, 40 years? Mass. has either totally dismissed the premise that the senator is not only a liar, but worthy of their trust and vote. Is the public forgiving, did they just believe he hit his noggin'...became confused...and made stupid decisions? Some people don't like the senator because he's a Kennedy. I have nothing against that...his brother John was a WWII hero and president, Bobby was trying to be president and both got killed in that quest. But Senator Ted just keeps plugging along, bad mouthing the president and or republicans for not getting the job done or being accountable.

Can anybody watch cable or satellite TV for a week anymore without seeing at least one frigging thirty minute show regarding any of the following: JFK conspiracy theories, Bobby Kennedy and that Hotel kitchen murder conspiracy?, Jackie, Michael and Tommy Skakel, John jr. and his plane, Ted and his what, nephew William Kennedy Smith and that rape trial years ago. WTF is going on with all this turmoil? Hexes, voodoo dolls, what?

Mass. just needs to get punched in the balls.

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Luther wrote:Is the public forgiving, did they just believe he hit his noggin'...became confused...and made stupid decisions?
I think that pretty much sums it up. If you ask the average American, they don't think Kennedy wanted her dead. Remember too that we're talking about 1969. American attitudes towards drunk driving were WAY different than they are in 2007.
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mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Remember too that we're talking about 1969. American attitudes towards drunk driving were WAY different than they are in 2007.
What does that have to do with the fact that the tards in Massachewshits just sent that fat, bloated sack of shit back to the Senate a few years ago?

It's a losing battle up here. OJ could run and as long as he had a "D" next to his name he would win in a landslide......
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Neely8 wrote:
mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Remember too that we're talking about 1969. American attitudes towards drunk driving were WAY different than they are in 2007.
What does that have to do with the fact that the tards in Massachewshits just sent that fat, bloated sack of shit back to the Senate a few years ago?
It's a losing battle up here. OJ could run and as long as he had a "D" next to his name he would win in a landslide......
Mitt Romney says what?
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BSmack wrote:
Neely8 wrote:
mvscal wrote: What does that have to do with the fact that the tards in Massachewshits just sent that fat, bloated sack of shit back to the Senate a few years ago?
It's a losing battle up here. OJ could run and as long as he had a "D" next to his name he would win in a landslide......
Mitt Romney says what?
That only applies to Senators.
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Neely8 wrote:
mvscal wrote:
BSmack wrote:Remember too that we're talking about 1969. American attitudes towards drunk driving were WAY different than they are in 2007.
What does that have to do with the fact that the tards in Massachewshits just sent that fat, bloated sack of shit back to the Senate a few years ago?

It's a losing battle up here. OJ could run and as long as he had a "D" next to his name he would win in a landslide......
Isn't it more like Teddy brings home the bacon for the people of Massachusetts? he also has the most connections and the most money?
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Fuck. You guys act like the dude was electrocuting pitbulls or something. Lighten up.
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Luther wrote: WTF is going on with all this turmoil? Hexes, voodoo dolls, what?
Essentially it's just what happens when you mix white trash with money.
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Cuda wrote:
Luther wrote: WTF is going on with all this turmoil? Hexes, voodoo dolls, what?
Essentially it's just what happens when you mix white trash with money.
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Interesting thread!!

This Chappaquiddick story is a very sad joke here in New England.

Those who love Kennedys brush it off and say, "Hey" that was many years ago, think of how much good the Kennedy's have done and how much they have suffered for it"

Those who hate the Kennedy's keep bringing this up along with How the family made it's money, the family's connection to organized crime, the countless rapes, murders, DUIs, etc.. associated with the Kennedy Clan.

and there are many who realize that the Kennedy's can do whatever they damn well please. No matter what it is, they will keep getting elected!!

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Ted's son Patrick is a Congressman in RI.
Patrick did not grow up in RI.
Patrick has an admitted Cocaine and Alcohol problem since High School.
Since becoming a Congressman, Kennedy has:
* assaulted a 50 year old woman baggage handler at an airport.
* caused $28,000.00 damage to a yacht in an incident where a woman had to be rescued from the boat due to kennedy's violent behavior.
* Stated publicly that he has never worked a day of work in his entire life.
* Has had many motor vehicle accidents in RI, in which, witnesses have stated he appeared intoxicated however, no citations were issued.
* crashed his car into a security barrier near the US Capitol. An incident where no breathalyzer was performed. Patrick admitted to being under the influence BUT...reached a plea deal on June 13,2006, with prosecutors in which all charges were dropped.
* Congressman Kennedy is now adhering to a court-ordered rehabilitation program that includes "weekly urine tests, twice-weekly meetings with a probation officer, near-daily Alcoholics Anonymous meetings and a weekly meeting of recovering addicts"

Congressman Kennedy's written explanation of one of his many motor vehicle accidents..

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So....he did a bunch of coke...and got elected by way of his family connections...and he's STRAIGHT!...oh, so we're talking about the Kennedy kid and not the Bush whelp....okay...now...which one has started a catastrophic international disaster?...and which one is fighting for the American working class?.....which is a malignant depraved piece of shit and which is a survivor who's doing the right thing...working for the American working class even though he certainly doesn't need the money?

Get it straight...there's no comparison between the venal sins of the Kennedy's and the horrific New World Order plot of the Bush consortium.

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Toddowen,

You funny!!

LTS, I am not making comparisons... I am just stating facts. I am not sure what your reference to Straight means... or how much you know "Patches" Kennedy.
- There is strong specualtion that Patrick is gay or at least that his boyfriend is... but that has nothing to do with why he should not be in office.

Start a Bush bashing thread, if you are so inclined.. you may get plenty of replies but stay on topic... This is about Chappaquidick, Ted Kennedy and his legacy..
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LTS TRN 2 wrote: Get it straight...there's no comparison between the venal sins of the Kennedy's
and the horrific New World Order plot of the Bush consortium.
The Kennedy's have been in power long enough -- and reached that power through
illicit means -- to be very much party to Bush' New World Order deal. The Kennedys
are now the Establishment that Fitz always worked so hard and broke so many legs
for them to be. Don't be fooled by false rivalries (which should have been the lesson
of last year's Dubai debacle).

Where the Bushes fake a loyalty with the religious right and encourages the (false!) belief
that they aren't accepting of the gay lifestyle without actually saying 'God Hates Fags'
the Kennedys fake loyalty with 'the little brown people'. It's all headpatting and douchery
from both families. Teddy sealed the deal for me with last spring's 'yo soy illegal' bullshit.
Patrick then attached stones to it and tossed it into the drink.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/P21NVPark ... 90606.html
.... In the dead of night on May 4, Representative Kennedy almost hit a Capitol Police cruiser
with his own car. He then smashed into a cement barrier. Officers on the scene reported Kennedy
had red and watery eyes, slurred speech and balance problems. He was only cited for minor traffic
violations. He was not given a field sobriety test. The police drove him home, where he further
exhibited impaired behavior.

After this made national headlines, Kennedy checked himself into the prestigious Mayo Clinic for
treatment for drug dependency. Out of rehab, back on the political circuit and facing accusations
he received preferential treatment, Kennedy proclaimed he wanted to be treated like a black person
in the future.

Kennedy said he wanted "what anyone else would have done to them if they were an African-American
in Anacostia... in terms of bookings, in terms of mug shots, fingerprints, whatever they might have me do."

I'm sick and tired of liberal activists using minority status and the cause of civil rights as a political tool.
For example, I bristle when war protestor Cindy Sheehan is compared to Rosa Parks. I also don't approve
of gay marriage proponents or illegal immigration advocates comparing their cause to the civil rights movement.

Representative Kennedy, the son of political royalty, "played the race card" to say he didn't want
preferential treatment. Nonetheless, he still appears to have gotten off with a slap on the wrist - faring
much better than that black man from Anacostia he aspired to be probably would under similar circumstances.

I'm not buying this charade. (more text excised)

Representative Kennedy feels vindicated. After his court appearance, he said: "I've always said that I wanted
to take full responsibility for my actions... I did just that." In my opinion, what he did was an insult to those
incarcerated for DUI violations, as well as victims and their loved ones.

Furthermore, to use concern for minorities - as liberals love to do - to curry sympathy is laughable at best
and disingenuous at worst.

Representative Patrick Kennedy may have originally gone into rehab because he felt it was the right thing
to do. He may have done it for sympathy. But the primary reason for that and his calls for fair treatment
appear to have been spin control, and everything - even race - was employed to save him. For that, he
truly deserves to be treated like anyone else.
When I look at Patrick, I see a teen-aged boy who has woken up in a middle-aged man's body.
He's been pushed into shit he has no aptitude for (or thinks he doesn't) because it's expected
of him. The boy (and he is a boy) is broken. But where would he be without his family name?
Fitz fucked up because he didn't pull a Heinlein (in 'The Number of the Beast') on his family:
nobody gets jackshit unless they prove they have added to the family's prestige and/or fortune
in a unique and uniquely beneficial way, and they have to make their own case to a board of
third party executors. Shakes out the trust fund baby leeches, pushes the mediocre to excel,
and drives the already driven higher.



Bobby should have never been shot :( Twice. They did Bobby like they did Malcolm.
on a short leash, apparently.
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Hold on! Let's not get confused. Teddy's drastic indiscretion was nothing more than a traffic accident.

The Chimp's entire CAREER is nothing less than treasonable undermining of the U.S. constitution and judicial process while implementing a world wide catastrophe.

Why are you talking about Teddy?........

WHO cares about Teddy's nephew getting a DUI?.....

Another day, another ten or so American soldiers get blown to shit in a ghastly civil war which the neocon ghouls have initiated.

What the fuck are you talking about?....


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Post by Risa »

LTS TRN 2 wrote:Hold on! Let's not get confused.
Napoleon and Snowball are still both pigs.

The nine heads of the hydra still belong to one trunk.

The Kennedys and the Bushes are not each other's enemies,
they are ours.
on a short leash, apparently.
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