And until recently, I had never heard of reverse mining. However that works, it sure pisses off one Robert Murray if anyone suggests that his mine operation in Utah was engaging in it.
somebody needs to tell mine owner dude to have himself a nice steaming hot mug of STFU.
hasn't dude over heard the line "me thinks he doth protest too much"?
Dude has been jumping all over media types who are just axing questions. And to state unequivocally (sp) that it had to be an earth quake is just plain dumb. His comments should be limited to we don't know exactly how it happened, but, we are in a very dangerous bidness and are making every attempt to resque those poor fukks.
One question I have is I thought that they don't bother with that antiquated tunnel digging bullshit out west. I thought they just stripped off the top and did it the easy safe way.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
What do you expect from a person who would lay off people right before Christmas?
Last year, he completed the purchase of the former Andalex Resources mines in Utah. One of his first moves was to shut down the Tower Mine, idling 114 workers less than two weeks before Christmas.
"Once upon a time, dinosaurs didn't have families. They lived in the woods and ate their children. It was a golden age."
—Earl Sinclair
"I do have respect for authority even though I throw jelly dicks at them.
smackaholic wrote:
One question I have is I thought that they don't bother with that antiquated tunnel digging bullshit out west. I thought they just stripped off the top and did it the easy safe way.
mvscal wrote:
It's called retreat mining and there is no doubt that the technique was being used at that mine.
Retreat, reverse... yeah, whatever. I stand corrected. I said I'd never heard of it.
I was watching this dude on Tuesday morning and saw veins bulging in his forehead when someone asked about "reverse" mining. Seems those who would suggest they were doing that are dumbfucks that don't know what they're talking about. People with an agenda, like say, union reps who want their people to have safer working conditions.
Not that a coal mine owner would ever have a different agenda or anything.
There were 39 coal mining deaths in the US in 2006, a rate of about 47 fatalities per 100,000 workers.
In 1907 there were 3,242 fatalities, a rate of 476 per 100,000 workers.
In China there were 6027 reported deaths in 2005 which is about 200 fatalities per 100,000 workers and 50 times the US rate per unit output (according to Wiki, anyway). You can bet that the actual number was a lot higher.
Safety has improved a lot in the US but working underground is going to be dangerous (not just from accidents but from lung disease) no matter what.
"If they wanted to breathe, they should have used some of those Breathe Right strips.
They really open up your nasal passages, you know. I use 'em and my wife
says I don't snore anymore."
War Wagon wrote:And until recently, I had never heard of reverse mining. However that works, it sure pisses off one Robert Murray if anyone suggests that his mine operation in Utah was engaging in it.
This is the part of the article that should send a chill over the room.
But safety at some of his mines was suspect. Only a few months' data is available for the Crandall Canyon mine under his ownership, but at several other mines owned by Murray, the accident rate was well above the national average, in some years several times the rate for comparable mines.
And in 2003, KenAmerican Resources, a company owned by Murray, was convicted of violating mine safety laws at a Kentucky mine and the company was fined $306,000.
Murray backs his political beliefs with his pocketbook. He contributed more than $213,000 to Republican candidates over the last decade. Three political action committees tied to Murray's businesses have given $724,500 to Republican candidates and causes, including $4,000 to Rep. Chris Cannon.
He made use of his political ties to Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell, who is married to Labor Secretary Elaine Chao and oversees MSHA, to get back at a safety regulator who had crossed him, according to the Lexington Herald-Journal. In the meeting, Murray shouted that "Mitch McConnell calls me one of the five finest men in America, and last I checked, he was sleeping with your boss."
Murray denied he referred to McConnell and Chao sleeping together. Tim Thompson, the MSHA manager who was the target of Murray's wrath, was reassigned and later retired.
If you're a worker who votes Republican, you might just as well be buying the rope for your own lynching.
"Once upon a time, dinosaurs didn't have families. They lived in the woods and ate their children. It was a golden age."
—Earl Sinclair
"I do have respect for authority even though I throw jelly dicks at them.
There's really only a few partisan fucks here (on either side of the aisle) and BSmack is their king. Most of us are middle-of-the-roaders.
For myself, every time I take one of those questionaires that tell you what your political affiliation is, I come out as a slightly right-leaning libertarian.
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edit to add...
This may be primarily a sports website, but this is the smack forum where pretty much anything goes. ...unless it really sucks or something.
mvscal wrote:Right. Because only Democrats care about worker safety.
Worker safety is not the only issue. Just about any issue that relates to labor vs capital you can depend on the GOP taking the "pro-business" point of view at the expense of the working person. Sadly, the Democrats often take the "GOP Lite" position. Were it up to me, there would be a true progressive Labor Party in America.
BTW: Mike, if you keep repeating that I am a partisan hack, someday someone might believe it.
"Once upon a time, dinosaurs didn't have families. They lived in the woods and ate their children. It was a golden age."
—Earl Sinclair
"I do have respect for authority even though I throw jelly dicks at them.
mvscal wrote:Pulling pillars is what makes retreat mining so dangerous if you don't know exactly what you're doing. If they weren't pulling pillars then, theoretically, it is no more dangerous than any other form of mining....which is not a particularly safe occupation if anyone was wondering.
That's why strip mining has replaced underground mining pretty much everywhere in the country... except, apparently, Utah
WacoFan wrote:Flying any airplane that you can hear the radio over the roaring radial engine is just ghey anyway.... Of course, Cirri are the Miata of airplanes..
mvscal wrote:Right. Because only Democrats care about worker safety.
Worker safety is not the only issue. Just about any issue that relates to labor vs capital you can depend on the GOP taking the "pro-business" point of view at the expense of the working person. Sadly, the Democrats often take the "GOP Lite" position. Were it up to me, there would be a true progressive Labor Party in America.
BTW: Mike, if you keep repeating that I am a partisan hack, someday someone might believe it.
Not to nitpick, but I said "Partisan fuck". Anywho, don't take my word for it. Ask around...
Thank God I bought that earthquake insuarance. 3 dead miners in Princeton, Indiana, a 15 minute drive from where I live. I thought I felt some trembling.
RumpleForeskin wrote:Wasn't there another lopsided race in the '70s?
The neighbor's dog jumped your mom's fence just ahead of the milkman
Please say you knew.
WacoFan wrote:Flying any airplane that you can hear the radio over the roaring radial engine is just ghey anyway.... Of course, Cirri are the Miata of airplanes..
smackaholic wrote:
One question I have is I thought that they don't bother with that antiquated tunnel digging bullshit out west. I thought they just stripped off the top and did it the easy safe way.
That would be West Virginia.
(not exactly "out west")
I know they do both in the east. I thought western mining was of the strip variety. I guess it just depends on how the coal veins lie. If they're near the surface they just blow it the fukk up and bring in one of them KC paul sized shovels.
mvscal wrote:The only precious metals in a SHTF scenario are lead and brass.
mvscal wrote:Shouldn't you be at the hospital with your dying sister? I hope she dies while you're in here dicking around trying to run tard smack. It would serve you right. You are a piece of motherfucking shit.
Go fuck yourself.
EAD you cumguzzling n.gger hater. I hope you chronicle everyday of your life so people like me with all the friends and family in the world will know what its like to live and die alone.
Bullshit. I don't troll. Wasn't it obvious when I posted a picture of my wife? I never admitted to that being a troll job; although, I probably should have.
If you had one fucking clue what was going on this place, then a lot of us here would have more opportunities to spend time with our loved ones then having to explain every fucking post you respond to. I know its hard, mv, but ending your life now will make everyone's lives so much easier.
