Rack Iowa State

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 8:30 am

Chizik era begins with a home L to the Golden Flashes of Kent State.

and where were the new unis?

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:06 pm

New uni's and helmets aren't out until 2008 I think.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 1:12 pm

Fuck!

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 2:23 pm

I am playing against Brett Myer in fantasy football this week so on one side I get a kick out of this, but on the other I'm a 12-guy that likes ISU so this kinda sucks. Phil Steele has Kent down as a top team in the MAC so this isn't as bad as Hawkins losing to Montana St anyway. But this is not a pretty start.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Fri Aug 31, 2007 4:50 pm

Damn, Can't Read-Can't Write-Kent State beat ISU? tOSU better watch out.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:15 am

gene is the bomb

no 5 star kids to make him look good. hes a marginal coach who took advantage of great players.

rack this gem:

Northern Iowa 3 14 7 0 24 Final

Iowa St. 6 0 0 7 13

buwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

by the way, Salukis take out Nortern Illinois. year of the 1AA schools.

King Crimson · Post by **King Crimson** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:43 am

I bet Dan McCarney isn't paying for any steak dinners in Des Moines or Ames the last two weeks.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:02 am

Folks didn't expect much out of ISU but geez. You start the year getting whipped by Kent and North Iowa? Even CU in '06 started-out looking better than this. There is a significant chance for 0-12. Their best chance for a win is against Toledo in two-weeks. They don't draw Baylor this season and even the meh 12-north will probably be too much for them.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 2:27 pm

This year is over for us. The senior leadership is horrible. 5th year QB Meyer playing like a freshman. Guys dropping punts. Missed FGs.

It will be a long year. Good chance we end up 0-12

At least the beer still tastes good.

Terry in Crapchester · Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:38 pm

I'm kinda surprised that NOJ hasn't shown up in this thread yet . . .

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:08 pm

Mace wrote:I wonder how many of those new season ticketholders are gonna continue to show up for games and/or consider buying tickets next season? What appeared to be a brilliant marketing move by Pollard may end up blowing up in his face.

Mac's gotta be laughing his ass off. ISU had the best coach they're ever gonna hire and he was happy there. Now what have they got?

Mace

I disagree. If you would have seen the team last year under Mac, they were even worse. Chizik will be fine...just not this year. If Mac was so good, why isn't he on the Iowa coaching staff?

It still is a brilliant move by Pollard.

I love when Iowa fans act like they were never in ISU's position before. I expect this from JON, not you Mace.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:09 pm

Terry in Crapchester wrote:I'm kinda surprised that NOJ hasn't shown up in this thread yet . . .

He's still crying because the ISU A.D. made him buy a season ticket to the ISU/Iowa game.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:29 pm

Mace wrote:
minorthreat wrote:
Mace wrote:I wonder how many of those new season ticketholders are gonna continue to show up for games and/or consider buying tickets next season? What appeared to be a brilliant marketing move by Pollard may end up blowing up in his face.

Mac's gotta be laughing his ass off. ISU had the best coach they're ever gonna hire and he was happy there. Now what have they got?

Mace
I disagree. If you would have seen the team last year under Mac, they were even worse. Chizik will be fine...just not this year. If Mac was so good, why isn't he on the Iowa coaching staff?

It still is a brilliant move by Pollard.

I love when Iowa fans act like they were never in ISU's position before. I expect this from JON, not you Mace.
No one said that Iowa was "never in ISU's position before", minorthreat.....but Chizik ain't Hayden Fry or Kirk Ferentz.....and Iowa never lost to UNI or Drake.....and I'm not JON, or anything like him, so chill on trying to make that comparison. Only time will tell if ISU is worse than last year.....and I think you're wrong.....they're much worse. The Cyclones are fucking pathetic with no hope of making any significant improvement this season, IMO. There's also a reason that The Sporting News ranked Chizik at the very bottom (#66) of all BCS coaches, minorthreat, but I guess you're going to find that out for yourself. Btw, Ferentz was ranked #11 on the same list.

As for Pollard, he conned the Clone fans into buying season tickets for bullfights and the Clones get to be the bulls. Let's see how many tickets he gets sold for next season and just how many empty seats we see at Jack Trice after a couple more asskickings this year. "Brilliant"? I don't think so....not in the long haul anyway, because they've raised the expectations of the fanbase.....expectations that they're never going to realize...and it could get very ugly for Pollard in the next couple of years, if not sooner. It was a bold move on his part but one that you better follow up with some fucking wins...something they ain't gonna do.

Mace

So Chizik was ranked #66 without ever coaching a game as head coach and Ferentz was #11 after how many years at the helm in Iowa? How does this prove anything? Was Chizik supposed to be higher than Ferentz? Where was Ferentz rated before his first year of coaching, mace?

All Iowa fans hate Pollard. He makes them talk about ISU all year. Season tickets are at an all-time high, donations at an all time high. Most Clone fans knew this was a rebuilding process and know that patience is needed. The only ones I hear making noise are Hawk fans (even though they could care less about ISU athletics, right?). If McCarney was so good, you guys should have hired him. You had the chance.

If I were you I wouldn't worry about the Cyclones. I'd focus on the Hawks and the Big Ten since you're 2-0 and back in the hunt for a National Title.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:53 am

Mace wrote:
minorthreat wrote:So Chizik was ranked #66 without ever coaching a game as head coach and Ferentz was #11 after how many years at the helm in Iowa? How does this prove anything? Was Chizik supposed to be higher than Ferentz? Where was Ferentz rated before his first year of coaching, mace?
Yep, #66 without ever coaching a game but, after two embarrassing losses, I'm sure he'd be #67 if only there were 67 BCS schools.

All Iowa fans hate Pollard. He makes them talk about ISU all year. Season tickets are at an all-time high, donations at an all time high. Most Clone fans knew this was a rebuilding process and know that patience is needed. The only ones I hear making noise are Hawk fans (even though they could care less about ISU athletics, right?). If McCarney was so good, you guys should have hired him. You had the chance.
All Iowa fans don't "hate" Pollard. Geez, I don't think Iowa fans give two shits about Pollard, and certainly don't lose any sleep over the little con man. You need to chill on this shit, minorthreat, 'cause Iowa fans don't lower themselves to even think about ISU except for one weekend a year. Cyclone fan has a well earned inferiority complex, minorthreat, and you're displaying it with every post. Speaking of which, I'm glad that your donations are at "an all time high" but, really, I don't think you want to compare those numbers with what Iowa hauls in every year, do you? And, for the record, minorthreat, I'm not a Clone hater and, in fact, root for them all but one weekend a year....okay, TWO weekends (I was rootin' for UNI) because I always like rooting for the underdog.

If I were you I wouldn't worry about the Cyclones. I'd focus on the Hawks and the Big Ten since you're 2-0 and back in the hunt for a National Title.
Worry? Who? Me? Don't think for one second that I'm worried about the Cyclones....EVER. They've fucked things up all by themselves and I haven't lost one minute of sleep over it. Really, I haven't. And, yep, the Hawkeyes are 2-0.....with no embarrassing losses to a 1AA school .....but you've not seen me post anything about a NC run out of the Hawkeyes. See? I told you I wasn't JON.

Mace

So Ferentz was ranked the #11 BCS coach before the season started in his first year?

You're correct about Iowa and donations to the school. They are far above anything ISU has. They have a bigger stadium, nicer facilities, and a better known all around program. Where were they before Hayden Fry? Have the always had this or did they start from somewhere else? Surely the 70,000 Kinnick Stadium wasn't built before the first season of Hawkeye football.

mace, I respect your opinion most of the time, even though you are a Hawkeye. You are usually the voice of reason.But you are off this time. The thing you need to understand is that the things ISU does has nothing to do with Iowa.

It also doesn't really matter what you think of our A.D. Pollard has done an exceptional job with ISU athletics and has instilled optimism with ISU fans. He also didn't need New Mexico to do his dirty work for him.

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 1:26 am

Mace wrote:
minorthreat wrote:So Ferentz was ranked the #11 BCS coach before the season started in his first year?
I have no idea where Ferentz was ranked before his first year at Iowa.....but I'd bet it wasn't dead last.

You're correct about Iowa and donations to the school. They are far above anything ISU has. They have a bigger stadium, nicer facilities, and a better known all around program. Where were they before Hayden Fry? Have the always had this or did they start from somewhere else? Surely the 70,000 Kinnick Stadium wasn't built before the first season of Hawkeye football.
Iowa had a 60,000+ seat stadium and were putting 45-50,000 butts in the seats every Saturday while having one of the worst football programs in the country during the pre-Fry era that included an 0-11 season in 1973. Fry's success allowed the school to build an indoor practice facility and other improvements to both the practice facilities and the stadium which have since been improved during the Ferentz era. I believe that McCarney's success led ISU to do the same and he was rewarded with being run out of town by Pollard.

mace, I respect your opinion most of the time, even though you are a Hawkeye. You are usually the voice of reason.But you are off this time. The thing you need to understand is that the things ISU does has nothing to do with Iowa.
You're right, the things that ISU does has absolutely nothing to do with Iowa, and wasn't claiming otherwise. BUT, the donations that ISU has failed miserably in marketing in the past HAS everything to do with thier inability to put a quality team on the field and compete with the top dogs of the Big 12. McCarney raised the level of competition with his enthusiasm and ability to motivate his players while all the time knowing that he was not competing on a level playing field with his competition due to the inequality in the football budgets.

It also doesn't really matter what you think of our A.D. Pollard has done an exceptional job with ISU athletics and has instilled optimism with ISU fans. He also didn't need New Mexico to do his dirty work for him.
And it also doesn't matter what you think of Pollard. He's done a good job of marketing a very bad product and, as always, the unsatisfied consumers who are forking over the dough will come back and bite him in the ass when they don't see positive results for their investment. If you're going to raise the expectations of your fanbase, then you'd damn well better produce.....and losing to Kent State and UNI is not the desired results. THAT'S the point I'm trying to make to you, and I'd be very surprised if ISU season ticket sales don't plummet after this soon to be miserable season. Had they won those first two games and had a legitimate shot at a .500 record, he might have looked like a genius but, instead, imo, he's going to look like a snake oil salesman to most of the 38,000 Cyclone suckers....errr....faithful. I think it was a bold but very risky gamble that he took and that it is going to blow up in his face.

Mace

Why do you care what Pollard does? Why do you care if our season ticket sales plummet?Like I said, I'd worry about Iowa more than ISU if I were you.

Would it help if I got you a ticket to the game?

minorthreat · Post by **minorthreat** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:09 am

Mace wrote:
minorthreat wrote:Why do you care what Pollard does? Why do you care if our season ticket sales plummet?Like I said, I'd worry about Iowa more than ISU if I were you.
I'm not allowed an opinion because I'm an Iowa fan? Who are you? The Cyclone version of JON? To answer your questions.....I don't care about Pollard...not in the least, but I think he's made a horrible mistake trying to sell a bad product like a high pressure time-share salesman selling to consumers who think they're buying two weeks in Hawaii and later find out they bought a 2 week package at the Motel-6 in Ames.

Do I care if your season ticket sales plummet? Hell no. Do I care about Jamie Pollard? Hell no. Do I care about a large number of my friends and relatives who purchased season tickets and now feel like they were fucked by Pollard and feel stupid for buying into his line of crap? Yep, I do care about them......although it's been nice saying "I told you so."

Would it help if I got you a ticket to the game?
Givin' 'em away already??? Don't blame ya.

Mace

You seem to have a strong opinion about an A.D. and a University that you don't care about.

I think it just pains you to see ISU fans optimistic.

Good luck on the season, mace.

Cornhusker · Post by **Cornhusker** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:33 am

Jus' a lil' timeout ta rack the passion these Iowigens bring.

As you were....