fish oil supplements waste of money?

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:07 pm

hey faiduh, ucant and any other workout health nut types out there, let me here your 2 cent worth on this stuff.

Over the years my knees have given me on again/off again problems. 99% of it was the left knee which has been amazingly trouble free as of late. Currently it's the right one. I can walk/run on it all day and it feels great. The trouble is when I sit with it bent slightly for extended periods, it annoys the hell outta me. Driving a car for more than about 45 minutes really sux as this seems to be the possition where it bothers me the most. If I straighten it completely it feels much better. This is worse the day after I play basketball on it as I did a few days ago. Playing basketball itself, doesn't bother me in the least.

I was gonna get some glucosamine recommended by a friend, but, when I explained my symptoms to the pill pusher at GNC, he said it sounded more like a joint lubrication thing and that some fish earl might be just the ticket.

What do you fags suggest beyond the obligatory "loose 50 lbs, ya fat fukkk!!!". btw, 50 would be a bit much. 25-30 is more like it.

thanks/gfyjo in advance to helpful suggestions/shit troll takes

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:15 pm

Do squats with a full range of motion and proper form w/o weights every day. Start off at 10 and work your way up slowly until you can do 100. That will help a whole lot more than any fish oil pill.

Why We Need To Squat

BTW: If your joints are not properly lubricated, it probably means you're dehydrated. Lay off the sodium laced sodas and boost your water consumption to a minimum of a gallon a day.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:19 pm

Yes, where there's a chance of ligament damage, I'd definitely recommend doing a bunch of squats.

Just what the doctor ordered.

Yet another bout of mental retardation from the master-of-retardation.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:21 pm

Dinsdale wrote:Yes, where there's a chance of ligament damage, I'd definitely recommend doing a bunch of squats.

Just what the doctor ordered.

Yet another bout of mental retardation from the master-of-retardation.

Comprehension ain't your strong suit eh? I said to do them WITHOUT WEIGHTS precisely because of his condition. He needs to strengthen that area of his body. That is a fact that is not up for debate.

If he's able to hoop it up, he should be able to do 100 body weight squats.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:26 pm

BSmack wrote:That is a fact that is not up for debate.

http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/knee ... iew?page=2

Good god, shut the fuck up, you idiotic fucking feeb.

QUICK!!! Somebody get the Trailblazers on the phone, and tell them their doctors are whack... all Greg Oden needs is to do some squats without any weight.

Well, you got one part right -- it's not up for debate.

I've had my share a major knee injuries (6), and not once did I hear a doctor say "just do some squats."

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:27 pm

thanks for the squat link, B. I see atleast 2 pages worth of homosmack/wytch jobs coming from that.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:32 pm

BTW-smacko...

Good place to assume that "if BSmack said it, it was retarded."

If there's a chance if ligament/tendon damage, or any sort of injury to the patella, the LAST thing you want to do is anything that involves placing any major amount of weight directly on the knee... like say, the kind of stress that doing squats would put on it.

Common fucking sense, which a certain poster here is completely devoid of.

Trampis · Post by **Trampis** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:33 pm

I few winters ago I got on a "Im gonna get healthy " kick which included downing some choice vitamins amongst which fish oil tablets was one.I took one, I repeat ONE tablet and that sob made me burp every ten minutes.

Whith out a doubt the nastiest, I just ate raw carp burps ever.I gave the unused bottle to my GF who was going to feed it to her dog,supposedly it makes there coat shine or some shit.

So take some and report back to us.

BTW I take glucosamien for my knees and I like to think it helps with the joint pain.I also may put one of those tendon wrap thingies on if they are really bothering me.That definatly helps.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 4:39 pm

dins,

I doubt it's a ligament thing, so squating might help. I bet B's got mad knee flexibility with all them squats he does on his boyfriends junk.

I kinda tend to go along with the joint lubrication thing that drug dealer dude talked about. The reason is that the worst pain I get is the driving for extended periods one. It is just about unbearable, but, goes away immediately if I straighten the knee completely. Unfortunately, doing so is a PITA and dangerous as it requires swinging my leg over to the passenger side of the car. In a car with a center console and gear shift like my accord I can't do it at all. In the OL's minivan, it's a bit easier.

I will give some of bri's squats a shot. If I blow out an ACL, I will limp all the way to CNY to kick his ass, though.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:02 pm

Dinsdale wrote:I've had my share a major knee injuries (6), and not once did I hear a doctor say "just do some squats."

Irony, thy name is Dinsdale.

But back to the point at hand, you can bet the fucking farm that once Oden has recovered from his surgery that he will be doing plenty of squats, dead lifts and leg raises as a part of his rehabilitation program. If you think otherwise you are a fucking moron. You don't strengthen a weak area by not working it.

Smackaholic,

If it helps, try hanging a rope from your basement rafters and use that to support yourself as you are starting out. The important thing is to use the full range of motion and to hold the squat for a few seconds once your hamstrings are touching your calves.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:11 pm

BSmack wrote:you can bet the fucking farm that once Oden has recovered from his surgery that he will be doing plenty of squats

Ahhh, the age old smack technique -- "I said something profoundly stupid, so now I'll try and claim I said something else to avoid looking like the fucking idiot I am."

Why yes... I'm sure Greggy will be doing plenty of squats and whatnot... NOW THAT HIS KNEE HAS BEEN SUGICALLY REPAIRED.

See how that works, you fucking retard?

If you think for one second the finest doctors that money can buy were recommending he do squats or anything else that strained the joint BEFORE his knee had healed from surgery, then you're even dumber than the people here claim you are... no easy feat.

But do continue to try and claim you said something other than the stupidity you originally spouted... since it's right there in text, it should be quite amusing.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:13 pm

Dins,

Everything you have said would make sense if smackaholic HAD A MAJOR KNEE INJURY.

He doesn't, so STFU.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:17 pm

BSmack wrote:Dins,

Everything you have said would make sense if smackaholic HAD A MAJOR KNEE INJURY.

He doesn't, so STFU

Really?

Was it the X-Rays that told you that, the MRI, or Tawanna, Dr BSmack?

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that a real doctor would NEVER try and make that determination from an internet post, yet the stupidest motherfucker to ever tarnish the WWW thinks he's qualified to...

Fucking priceless.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:26 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
BSmack wrote:Dins,

Everything you have said would make sense if smackaholic HAD A MAJOR KNEE INJURY.

He doesn't, so STFU
Really?

Was it the X-Rays that told you that, the MRI, or Tawanna, Dr BSmack?

This is your tipoff.

smackaholic wrote:Playing basketball itself, doesn't bother me in the least.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if he's able to run, and jump and cut ALL WITHOUT ANY IMMEDIATE PAIN, that he does not have a major knee injury. Furthermore, he reports no swelling afterwards, just minor irritation when his knee is locked in one position and he can easily support his body weight the day after without any pain.

But hey, feel free to go ahead and spout off when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. It suits you.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:28 pm

You're right, Dr Bsmack...

I mean... what do I know about knee injuries?

I've only had 6 major ones.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:29 pm

dammit dins, don't make me defend Bsuck. I hate it when that happens.

I seriously doubt there is anything structural going on. Just a fowty-fow year old joint that's been carrying an extra 20-40 lbs for the last 15 years or so. I did have something going on with the cartilage in the left knee. It's been x-rayed and mri-ed. Fortunately it ain't that bad and has healed itself well enough to keep some asshole from chopping it open.

Note in an earlier post. It gives me more trouble when I DONT use it. Therefore the joint lubrication thing makes sense.

Just for shits and giggles, I knocked out a set of squats. Slight discomfort kept me from going completely all the way down, but, it felt pretty good overall. Surprisingly I didn't hear any snaps, crackles or pops. Usually I do sound like a bowl of rice krispies when I squat like that. Maybe they 2 fishy pills I took 2 hours ago are working.

The Whistle Is Screaming · Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:32 pm

Did someone say Fish Oil?

Sin,

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:33 pm

BSmack wrote:if he's able to run, and jump and cut ALL WITHOUT ANY IMMEDIATE PAIN

smackaholic wrote:I knocked out a set of squats. Slight discomfort kept me from going completely all the way down

Nice work, BSmack Welby MD... you moronic douche.

And smackoholic taking medical advice from the dumbest motherfucker ever... doesn't speak too well of your intelligence, either.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:40 pm

maybe I should clearify. i did go 99% of the way down. It's not like I bailed halfway down. And the pain was more of a slight discomfort. i'm pretty sure greg oden would trade knees with me.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:47 pm

Smackaholic, I had a condition similar to yours, where my knee would only hurt in certain positions and for me on occasion going up and down stairs. It turned out that I had an osteochondroma, which is the calcification of cartilage at the growth plate. In layman's terms, it's a bone spike that's shredding tendons during certain motions, but doesn't do any harm in certain positions. It's common in people who lift weights or frequently play sports that are stressful to the knees, such as skiing, football or basketball.

I lived with this condition for quite awhile until I got sick of it and went to see a doctor. An x-ray showed the problem immediately.

I had the surgery done about a year and a half ago. The doctor said that it was a simple surgery, as they basically go in with a hammer and chisel and knock the fucker off. What he didn't tell me until later, when I complained about the high level of post-surgery pain, was that they had to surgically split the quadriceps muscle in order to gain access to that part of the knee. Um...ouch, some?

Anyway, the point of all of this is that it might be a good idea to go to the doctor and have one of those new-fangled x-ray thingies done just as a precaution. If you do have an osteochondroma, the longer you wait, the more damage you do.

Errrr...just saw the part where you said you had one of them x-rayed. Nevermind then.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:50 pm

OCmike wrote:Anyway, the point of all of this is that it might be a good idea to go to the doctor and have one of those new-fangled x-ray thingies done just as a precaution.

Get real, dude.

BFD, you had knee surgery... what the fuck do YOU know?

I SAID it wasn't a major problem, so fuck those stupid fucking doctors... who you gonna trust, them or me?

Sin,
BSmack, PhD

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:54 pm

Just out of curiosity, Dins... Why did you need six operations? That's NFL lineman territory there.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:55 pm

it was the left knee that's been x-rayed. it is the one that has been an on again/off again pita for over 20 years.

OCmike · Post by **OCmike** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:58 pm

MRIs have come a long way. Consider having one done.

If it's a joint lubrication issue, I think it's a bit odd to have it in just one knee. It seems to me that it'd be BOTH that'd be a pita.

BTW, when your knee hurts, does it swell up? That'd be a strong indication that it's something other than a lubrication issue as well.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:01 pm

smackaholic wrote:dammit dins, don't make me defend Bsuck. I hate it when that happens.

I was right about Bush too. ;)

I seriously doubt there is anything structural going on. Just a fowty-fow year old joint that's been carrying an extra 20-40 lbs for the last 15 years or so. I did have something going on with the cartilage in the left knee. It's been x-rayed and mri-ed. Fortunately it ain't that bad and has healed itself well enough to keep some asshole from chopping it open.

Note in an earlier post. It gives me more trouble when I DONT use it. Therefore the joint lubrication thing makes sense.

Just for shits and giggles, I knocked out a set of squats. Slight discomfort kept me from going completely all the way down, but, it felt pretty good overall. Surprisingly I didn't hear any snaps, crackles or pops. Usually I do sound like a bowl of rice krispies when I squat like that. Maybe they 2 fishy pills I took 2 hours ago are working.

Since fish oil acts as a blood thinner, it is definitely going assist in the blood flow to the joints that you are working. Which means you will not sound like a bowl of rice krispies. Just remember to lay off heavy doses of aspirin post workout unless you want some stomach bleeding to go along with that increased range of motion.

If you keep doing those squats just the way you described, I'll bet that in a matter of a month or so you'll be able to hit 100% of your range of motion. And your legs will be a much more efficient supporter of your body's weight.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:03 pm

OCmike wrote:Just out of curiosity, Dins... Why did you need six operations?

Operations?

Most (all?) of them were in the 80's, when knee surgeries weren't what they were today. They slapped a knee-immobilizer on it, and said "suck it up, kid. That's going to hurt for a few months."

No more dunking a basketball after that.

Took about 5 years after the last one where the pain was completely gone, although the slightest bump to either knee was pretty serious for a few more years. Suckers are in pretty good shape these days.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 6:14 pm

R-Jack wrote:
OCmike wrote:Just out of curiosity, Dins... Why did you need six operations?

Anaesthesia was the only way to shut him up.

rack r jack!

Atomic Punk · Post by **Atomic Punk** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:41 pm

mvscal wrote:
smackaholic wrote:I was gonna get some glucosamine recommended by a friend, but, when I explained my symptoms to the pill pusher at GNC, he said it sounded more like a joint lubrication thing and that some fish earl might be just the ticket.
There are plenty of good reasons to take fish oil, but I hadn't heard that joint lubrication is one of them.

It couldn't hurt anyway.

I forget the explanation of the chemical exchange with omega 3 fish oils pills, but it drops your triglycerides (the chemical form of sugar in your blood) waaaaay down. You can get those "Nature Made" 1200mg capsules in the vitamin section at most super markets for around $8 for 100.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:23 pm

mvscal wrote:keeping your arteries supple.

We're not exactly sure what that means, but we'll RACK it to be on the safe side.

Sin,

Mister Bushice · Post by **Mister Bushice** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:17 am

Dinsdale wrote:You're right, Dr Bsmack...

I mean... what do I know about knee injuries?

I've only had 6 major ones.

You certainly know how to fuck up a knee. You've got that half of it down.

But obviously any advice you might give on rehabbing one is totally fucking useless.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:07 am

smackaholic wrote:dammit dins, don't make me defend Bsuck. I hate it when that happens.

I seriously doubt there is anything structural going on. Just a fowty-fow year old joint that's been carrying an extra 20-40 lbs for the last 15 years or so. I did have something going on with the cartilage in the left knee. It's been x-rayed and mri-ed. Fortunately it ain't that bad and has healed itself well enough to keep some asshole from chopping it open.

Note in an earlier post. It gives me more trouble when I DONT use it. Therefore the joint lubrication thing makes sense.

Just for shits and giggles, I knocked out a set of squats. Slight discomfort kept me from going completely all the way down, but, it felt pretty good overall. Surprisingly I didn't hear any snaps, crackles or pops. Usually I do sound like a bowl of rice krispies when I squat like that. Maybe they 2 fishy pills I took 2 hours ago are working.

Newsflash.... knee joints with soft tissue damage or bone damage don't heal themsleves....

Your doctor must be a funing quack....The joint lubrication thing is also a crock of shit... you likely have deteroriated cartilaige in your knee... you know that shit that cushions your knee joint....and playing basket ball or running with bad cartilage is an invitation for major pain. And taking fish oil is not going to help your knee in 2 hours... fish oil is fat soluble, therefore it may take a WHILE to be of any benifit, if any.

I had knee pain for years, cracking all the time. The fucking cartilage in my knee had deteriorated so bad, I lost almost 1/2 an inch on my right leg... which in turn really fucks with your left hip. The ortho butcher pyut in a new hemiplasty knee joint in 2004 and I have been pain free every since. Of course, I don't do basket ball, running or any impingment shock type activities, since the ortho butcher bought a new fucking Escalade from my last surgery...

Cracking sounds... means you go floaters in there..maybe some minor artho work may clean it up....try goping to a real ortho and see what they actually tell you. The longer you wiat on reapiring the damage, the more it hurts and the more money the ortho will make if your knee is more fucked up 2 years or so down the road.

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:11 am

beside Beast Light--my only daily "medication" is a cap of Cod Liver Oil.
I make no health claims for that, but so far so good !!

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:23 pm

is cod liver oil pretty much the same thing as these overpriced gell caps I just bought? does it have that omega 3 thing in it?

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:55 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_liver_oil

so say 'da wick !!

at Publix, I get 100 gel caps of Cod Liver Oil for about $5.

PSUFAN · Post by **PSUFAN** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:13 pm

Just grab some Alaskan salmon and get to grillin'.

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:47 pm

salmon is an oily fish and certainly tastes better than that gelcap, but, you'd have to each a bunch of it everyday to get the effect.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:56 pm

PSUFAN wrote:Just grab some Alaskan salmon and get to grillin'.

The spring Willamette River chinook native to the Portland area have the highest concentration of Omega 3 of any salmon.

This message brought to you by the Dinsdale Salmon Encyclopedia. And once it starts raining, I'll settle for the slightly less oily fall nookers... 'tis the season. Quite stoked about it.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:16 pm

10... count them 10 silvers were on my line out of Astoria- Saturday the 8th...

3 were natives and went back, filled my tag, the OL'd tag, and some Idaho tourist's tag.

I have a fair amount of salmon laid in.. but waiting for the fall rains when I will pound the shit out of the Tillamook run.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:52 pm

Derron wrote:but waiting for the fall rains when I will pound the shit out of the Tillamook run.

I have more fun when I'm bank-ratting it, for sure.

If Mother Nature cooperates, the Wilson is fishing in a freaking barrel, for those who have at least a vague working knowledge of the game.

If I'm boating it (not that either of the two boats I have a stake in have touched water in a few years), the Forks at Nehalem Bay boast hatchery coho returns in the several-hundred-thousands, in a good year... last time I was there, a couple of years ago, not one, but TWO fish literally jumped in the boat. Both escape unscathed, due to some quick salmon-thinking, in the form of jumping back out. Good times down there, when the rednecks and douchebags aren't out in too great a force. I've always dug the fact that there's little police presence there... although I won't share the story of fishing until dark, and my buddy being so liquored up that he drove the little Smokercraft into the concrete wall next to the 101 boat ramp (good times). And any time they have a public dock with a walkway directly to the beer store... MONEY.

Yup, I'm pretty stoked for the salmon to come home.

Derron · Post by **Derron** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:54 am

Did I forget to mention the 13 lbs of eggs that a $ 10 tip to the deck hand got me as well??

Shucks....

T1B

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