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[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

RACK Big 12 coaches. Too bad Ok St doesn't play CU this year. That'd be a hell of a post game press conference.

[RumpleForeskin]

RACK Big 12 coaches. Too bad Ok St doesn't play CU this year. That'd be a hell of a post game press conference.

[RadioFan]

RF,

Why does Gundy owe the cunt anything? Yes, the dude melted. Yes, it was over the top. Yes, he sounded childish. However, he was right to stand up for his guy. His delivery could have used some improvement, but he owes nothing to the bitch as far as an explanation is concerned. It's not up to him to prove her sources are reliable or not.

I know you are a media apologist so I won't debate the matter with you as you have a bias here. Just want to put in my 2 cents that he owes her nothing.

Not a media apologist ... but close. :wink:

Would I have written a column like she did, initially, with no sources? Hell no.

Did you read her column today that I posted?

Maybe you missed this part:

Now, I didn't write that column Saturday to embarrass Bobby Reid. He has been a super kid to deal with, and frankly, I've thought highly of his ability. Heck, I wrote last year that I thought he might be the second coming of Vince Young.

Gumby said her column was wrong. I'd like to know which parts. It shouldn't take him but about 15-30 seconds to list what part of her column was wrong.

When a university president sees an error in a newspaper story or column, he picks up the phone (or has someone else pick it up), and calls someone with authority. He or she also explains what the error was. While I understand that Gumby was too freaked out to even consider dealing with the Daily Oklahoman privately, this isn't fucking rocket science.

Of course, the minute I saw that tirade, I knew at least part of that column had to be true. No way anyone goes off like that unless there isn't some truth involved. Raw nerves don't get hit like that unless there's truth involved, especially after a big win like OSU had on Saturday. To not even talk about the win means something is up, big-time.


Btw, since you hate the media so much, remind me again where it is you get your aTm news from? If it's anywhere but the SID, I hate to break this to you, but you're probably a hypocrite in the "media hating" department.

[War Wagon]

Newspaper reporter, completely missing the point of the coach's tirade, goes apoplectic in the print media because she believes the coach injured her "credibility" in the television media when he said that about 3/4'ths of what she wrote was not true.

Oh, I see. The coach had a "tirade" but the reporter went "apoplectic".

I think you might have that backwards there 88. Look, I'm not defending the reporter or her article, but... The coach melted down beyond all conceivable provocation, and this goes beyond the facts or lack thereof in the story. He sounded and acted like a blathering lunatic. I suppose he felt like a real "40" year old man standing up there in front of the cameras and going ballistic on a young woman. Imagine how she must have felt. Imagine how her dad felt after seeing that moron shouting at his daughter, over essentially a rather harmless opinion piece in a local fishwrap. He needs an ass-kicking.

Sorry, but there's no way that any person with even an ounce of objectivity can justify the coaches words and actions.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Who gives a fuck if she's a woman? She made personal accusations about Reid. Man or woman, you should be held at the same level of accountability for submitting that type of crap for all to see.

She ran down Reid. He ran down her. It's all fair game.

[indyfrisco]

Btw, since you hate the media so much, remind me again where it is you get your aTm news from? If it's anywhere but the SID, I hate to break this to you, but you're probably a hypocrite in the "media hating" department.

Just because I happen to watch Sportscenter or Fox News or pick up a newspaper does not mean I can't hate the media. Media types, more oft than not, are only interested in one thing...themselves. Reporters dream of dying babies in a town near them so they can get their face on the tube. What's the term? Firestormers? Fuck the lot of them. Feel free to hate on IT guys. Won't offend me in the least and won't make you a hypocrite just because you own a computer.

[See You Next Wednesday]

Quit thinking about these 20, 21, and 22 year olds as kids and you might understand why the coach is big jackhole.

[RevLimiter]

Sorry, but there's no way that any person with even an ounce of objectivity can justify the coaches words and actions.

BULLSHIT- Jason Whitlock just DID today in the Kansas City Star:

Columnist Carlson made a mistake
By JASON WHITLOCK

Jenni Carlson, the target of Oklahoma State coach Mike Gundy’s now-infamous postgame tirade, is a talented, dedicated sports columnist.

I’ve stated that opinion privately and publicly for years. I’ve known Jenni, now a columnist at The Oklahoman, since she was a student at Kansas and later when she was a high school columnist for this newspaper.

The column she wrote about Oklahoma State quarterback Bobby Reid, the column that caused Gundy to melt down following the Cowboys’ victory over Texas Tech, is absolutely indefensible. Gundy called it “garbage,” and I can’t disagree.

Why anyone in the media would choose to defend a column that is basically a message-board attack on a 21-year-old kid speaks to the insecurity of our profession.

We make mistakes — all the time. There is no reason to turn defensive and blame Gundy for justifiably embarrassing Carlson the same way she belittled an amateur athlete.

Carlson’s column reminded me of one I wrote in the mid-1990s about Marcus Allen and O.J. Simpson. My column, a fictional piece about a conversation between Allen and Simpson at the height of the Simpson murder trial, was supposed to be humorous, and it was.

But it had no business being published in a newspaper. It was completely unfair to Marcus Allen. It was a dirty joke told inside a church. When I saw Allen in the locker room a couple of days after the column ran, he erupted, cursed at me, made threats and had to be restrained by teammates.

By the next day, I knew I had made a terrible error in judgment. I immediately began the process of apologizing to Allen. I offered to write an apology column. He accepted my apology and told me it was unnecessary to write a public one. I then apologized to Allen’s wife, and she graciously accepted.

Jenni Carlson owes Bobby Reid and Mike Gundy apologies. Her column was atrocious.

In a newspaper circulated throughout the state, she ripped a kid by tying together a string of Internet rumors and out-of-context comments made by Reid to her co-workers. She basically called Reid a wimp and justified it by saying “if you believe the rumors and the rumblings.”

Here are a few choice excerpts from the column:

•“Tile up the back stories told on the sly over the past few years, and you see a pattern that hasn’t always been pretty.”

•“Word is that Reid has considered transferring a couple different times, the first as early as 2005. Reid, then a redshirt freshman, was facing competition from returner Donovan Woods, and apparently, Reid considered leaving OSU just because he had to compete for the spot.”

That bit of information was attributed to no one. I take that back, it was attributed to “back stories told on the sly.”

Here’s another gem from the column. Carlson takes a Reid quote given to one of her colleagues — “The coaches made a decision. I just have to go with it, get better and get back on the field” — and interprets it in the most negative way possible:

Carlson wrote: “There’s something to be said for not being a malcontent, but you can almost see Reid shrugging his shoulders as he says those words. Does he have the fire in his belly?”

How can she see a shoulder shrugging on a player she apparently hasn’t taken the time to speak with herself? The kid stated he wants to get better and get back in the lineup. What was he supposed to say?

I could go on. It’s unnecessary. She made a mistake. It’s not a big deal. It happens. What’s embarrassing is reading all of these columns calling for Gundy to be suspended or even fired for defending his player and calling out Carlson in public.

Why didn’t Gundy address Carlson in private? Because her column wasn’t published in private. It went out across the state.

Well, isn’t it silly to call Reid a kid and an amateur when he’s 21 and receives a full scholarship in big-time athletics? No. He is a kid. He’s not a professional athlete. And unless he’s accused of breaking the law or being grossly offensive, we don’t need to involve ourselves in message-board speculation about his personality.

I don’t know a sports journalist, particularly a female or minority one, who would appreciate having their careers analyzed based on “back stories told on the sly.”

Good journalists make mistakes. Rather than juvenilely asking Mike Gundy to explain why three-fourths of her column was inaccurate, I’d rather hear Carlson explain what journalism class at Kansas taught her to shred a kid’s character with “rumors and rumblings.”


RACK Jason Whitlock....for once.

[RevLimiter]

Also probably worth mentioning-

This isn't the first case of Gundy going ballistic on people. Guy has some serious temper issues and it's been discussed with him by the OSU AD before.

I could give a fuck about Jenni Carlson. She IS a hack. Her typical piece runs about 40 sentences in 39 paragraphs.

Gundy handled this in a completely unprofessional manner. Try to imagine Bear Bryant, Bo Schembechler, Bobby Bowden, Bud Wilkinson, any of a number of legendary coaches whose name starts with B going out in front of the press after a big win and throwing this same tantrum.

BULLSHIT- Gundy knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he launched that tirade on Jenni Carlson....he knew that potential recruits and their parents would see his tirade and see that he has his players' backs. Very shrewd way to earn Brownie points among the football recruits IMO, and hence it was more "professional" that you think.

[War Wagon]

BULLSHIT- Gundy knew EXACTLY what he was doing when he launched that tirade on Jenni Carlson....he knew that potential recruits and their parents would see his tirade and see that he has his players' backs. Very shrewd way to earn Brownie points among the football recruits IMO, and hence it was more "professional" that you think.

Now that line of reasoning is what's bullshit. If I'm a responsible parent of a kid considering a prospective school for an athletic scholarship (and I have been), no way do I want my child around some hothead who blows up, especially in public. Imagine how this man can and would act behind closed locker room doors.

Fuck that idiot "coach". Any parent who sends their kid to play for that man using the rationale that he'd have their backs is a moron and their offspring deserves to be there then, I guess.

[War Stoops]

[McLaughlin Group]The answer is, they're both douches.[/McLaughlin Group]

BTW, you knew THIS was coming. Classic.

[RadioFan]

Feel free to hate on IT guys. Won't offend me in the least and won't make you a hypocrite just because you own a computer.

What Gundy did was akin to holding a press conference and saying, "Company X doesn't know how to fix computers. They suck," without saying what they didn't fix.

Idiocy.

Also, the last time I checked, there are honest IT guys and there are assholes ... same as in every profession, stereotypes notwithstanding.

I agree with some of Whitlock's points, btw.

There are two basic issues here:

1. College athletes. Should Carlson have gone after Reid the way she did? Probably not.
2. Was what she wrote true? Probably, given Gundy's refusal to cite what was inaccurate.

[M Club]

Also, part of her job as a COLUMNIST is to write her opinion and stir the pot. It isn't writing press releases for the university or the football program. She wasn't writing a sports or a news story, she wrote a column. Opinion is implied in sports columns.

true dat. i don't know why ppl are talking "facts" about an article in which the main premise is dood's mum feeds him fried chicken. i think gundy painted himself into a corner by calling it 3/4 fiction, which gave the chick a way to defend her faux-journalistic integrity. sheat, she defended herself using a quote of hers with "apparently" in it. that's hard-hitting, fact-gathering journalism.