Crackers gone bad

[Dinsdale]

Yeah, because obviously everyone with an Hispanic surname must be illegal. You'd be right at home here with a minority of complete idiots, dumbass.

And you're equally as reactionary in the other direction.


Although the stats change faster than we can keep track of them, they list the Hispanic population of the county Derron and I live in at about 15% or so. Yet Hispanics make up well over 15% of the county blotter, and make up almost half of school enrollment, along with several other categories that are in disproportion.


All about math, bud.

So, which is it? Are Hispanics (mostly Mexican immigrants) in fact burdening the educational/public services to a point that grossly exceeds their contribution, and are the Hispanics really committing crimes at a rate that exceeds the "natives" by that staggering a ratio...


Or is there a staggering number of illegal immigrants skewing those figues?


Very simple logic dictates it has to be one or the other....


So, which is it? If you're going to debate the topic, you can't have it both ways.


As Derron said, we don't have terribly accurate stats on the actual number of illegals. What we do have, is a reasonable accounting of legal immigrants. We also have a good accounting of school enroillment, along with a good grasp on crime stats. And there's a huge, huge disparity in the math, and the numbers don't just "not add up," but they're not even in the same area code.


So, which is it?

Did the residents/white folks/established-legal immigrants that have been a part of our community for decades all of a sudden lose all morality and start committing rampant crime, and suddenly quadruple their birth rate?

Really? That really sounds plausable and reasonable to you?

Wanna buy a bridge?


Anectdotally -- I know a handful of people who have been randomly assaulted/mugged on the street in our county. Every last one of them was by a Hispanic. In my psuedo-burb, there's been a grand total of two shooting incidents in the last several months... Hispanics.


Have Hispanics cornered the market on crime in my area? Absolutely not. Do they commit this crime at a rate greater than the 15%-of-the-population would dictate? Not even close. Would the crime stats lead you to believe they are "less likely" to commit crime than their native counterparts? If you belive that, you're fucking crazy... unadulterated bullshit.



What frightens me, is some peoples' willingness to excuse, or worse yet, completely ignore, or even dispute this alarming behavior.


AGAIN -- when you start your stay in this country by proving beyond all doubt that you don't respect its laws, it's completely unreasonable to assume that they will all of a sudden begin respecting the laws when they get here, since American law enforcement has PROVEN to be of no deterrent to them breaking the law.

Common. Fucking. Sense. Which apparently has no place in this debate.

[RadioFan]

Common. Fucking. Sense.

My computer crashed earlier today.

Damn illegals.

And you're equally as reactionary in the other direction.

Huh?

Sorry, not into Xenophobia. Thanks for the insight though.

[Screw_Michigan]

Yeah, because obviously everyone with an Hispanic surname must be illegal. You'd be right at home here with a minority of complete idiots, dumbass.

And you're equally as reactionary in the other direction.


Although the stats change faster than we can keep track of them, they list the Hispanic population of the county Derron and I live in at about 15% or so. Yet Hispanics make up well over 15% of the county blotter, and make up almost half of school enrollment, along with several other categories that are in disproportion.


All about math, bud.

So, which is it? Are Hispanics (mostly Mexican immigrants) in fact burdening the educational/public services to a point that grossly exceeds their contribution, and are the Hispanics really committing crimes at a rate that exceeds the "natives" by that staggering a ratio...


Or is there a staggering number of illegal immigrants skewing those figues?


Very simple logic dictates it has to be one or the other....


So, which is it? If you're going to debate the topic, you can't have it both ways.


As Derron said, we don't have terribly accurate stats on the actual number of illegals. What we do have, is a reasonable accounting of legal immigrants. We also have a good accounting of school enroillment, along with a good grasp on crime stats. And there's a huge, huge disparity in the math, and the numbers don't just "not add up," but they're not even in the same area code.


So, which is it?

Did the residents/white folks/established-legal immigrants that have been a part of our community for decades all of a sudden lose all morality and start committing rampant crime, and suddenly quadruple their birth rate?

Really? That really sounds plausable and reasonable to you?

Wanna buy a bridge?


Anectdotally -- I know a handful of people who have been randomly assaulted/mugged on the street in our county. Every last one of them was by a Hispanic. In my psuedo-burb, there's been a grand total of two shooting incidents in the last several months... Hispanics.


Have Hispanics cornered the market on crime in my area? Absolutely not. Do they commit this crime at a rate greater than the 15%-of-the-population would dictate? Not even close. Would the crime stats lead you to believe they are "less likely" to commit crime than their native counterparts? If you belive that, you're fucking crazy... unadulterated bullshit.



What frightens me, is some peoples' willingness to excuse, or worse yet, completely ignore, or even dispute this alarming behavior.


AGAIN -- when you start your stay in this country by proving beyond all doubt that you don't respect its laws, it's completely unreasonable to assume that they will all of a sudden begin respecting the laws when they get here, since American law enforcement has PROVEN to be of no deterrent to them breaking the law.

Common. Fucking. Sense. Which apparently has no place in this debate.

scroll wheel, check.

fuck off, douche.

[RadioFan]

Says the myopian Mexican who welcomes all his homies to live with him.

Somehow, I missed this gem.

Try again, cunt.

Although, I do take my dogs to a park, here in Tulsa, at night, with people who are speaking Spanish!

OMG, the ABSOLUTE horrah! They are ALL illegals, obviously. And my entire way of life is threatened, by these "people," playing vollyball in a public park, every day, for about the last 9 months now.

I guess I'm not a very patriotic American by not turning them all in.


Fucking douche.

[RadioFan]

Sorry, not into Xenophobia. Thanks for the insight though.

What the fuck does that have to do with enforcing our immigration laws?

Our immigration laws are like our drug laws. Assinine.

Do we need to secure our border AND our ports? Of course. As I've said, I'm more concerned about some psycho loading a nuke into some crate on a ship that ends up in Long Beach or NY than I am some Arab "posing" as a Mexican with a suitcase nuke, running across the Arizona desert.

Should we cut the mountain of red tape and allow more than 200,000 or so immigrants who want to WORK, into this country? Absolutely. We're going the wrong way on this front, with the government now tripling the cost even to APPLY to be legal. WTF kind of message does that send?

I've made this analogy before, mvs. When it comes to the drug "laws," the government seems to be all about stopping the supply side, instead of the demand side.

It's hypocritical to treat the immigration issue any differently, imo.

If we want to address the problem, ala the "drug war," our politicians need to start an honest discussion with Mexico, with carrots and sticks.

[Atomic Punk]

Of course. As I've said, I'm more concerned about some psycho loading a nuke into some crate on a ship that ends up in Long Beach or NY than I am some Arab "posing" as a Mexican with a suitcase nuke, running across the Arizona desert.

All of those movies about suitcase nukes have the American public worried for some reason. Too bad the same American public is clueless how hard it is for even our guys to maintain "special weapons" let alone the sand noggers trying to get one or to even get one to work in testing. Plus, we have teams of our own "bad guys" that travel the world assigned to kill mother fuckers legitimately trying to get nukes. Sounds crazy, but that's what the Dept. of Energy guys told us Navy nuke instructors years ago.

[Terry in Crapchester]

As I've said, I'm more concerned about some psycho loading a nuke into some crate on a ship that ends up in Long Beach or NY than I am some Arab "posing" as a Mexican with a suitcase nuke, running across the Arizona desert.

For that matter, if a Muslim terrorist is to cross a U.S. border illegally, as I've said, I'm more worried that the point of crossing will be the northern border than the southern border, for a variety of reasons.

• The northern border is longer, and if anything, even more porous than the southern border.
• The myriad number of waterways along the northern border increase the potential number of entry points to the U.S. along that border exponentially.
• Unlike in Mexico, there is a thriving Muslim population in Canada, at least in the larger cities. An al-Qaeda cell in Canada is far less likely to attract unwanted attention from the authorities than is an al-Qaeda cell in Mexico.
• At least during the summer months, the elements do not pose the same type of risk in crossing the northern border that they do in crossing the southern border.
• Virtually all of the attention paid to this issue by political figures focuses exclusively on the southern border. Ya think al-Qaeda doesn't already know this and isn't likely to follow the path of least resistance?

Yes, we should do border security (as well as port security, as you pointed out), and yes, both illegal immigration and terrorism relate to border security at least to some degree. But this is not exactly the "kill two birds with one stone" scenario. We at least have to be honest about that.