in order to win a national championship ...

[Dinsdale]

I come back with...they have the number one SOS in the country

Oh, and BTW -- if you use a SoS ranking system that actually considers opponent's opponents (which tends to expose a candy-assed schedule more than just looking at how well Southern Miss did in CUSA), all of a sudden that "#1" ranking goes by the wayside.

This doesn't bolster your argument, it defeats it.

Matter of fact, if you go to the opponent's oppent's ranking systems, MOST of the PAC10 teams had a stronger SoS than Florida.

But when you schedule the creme-de-la-crene of crap, you can get a decent SoS rating under the NCAA rating system... so congrats on figuring out a way to cheat the system. Let's see -- beat South Carolina... whose record got inflated by playing Louisiana Lafayette, SC State, and North Carolina, and you beat a team that gauranteed itself at least 3 cheap wins.


That's a pretty sweet system, and is really only feasable if you get the whole conference to participate. Props to your organizational skills, though -- without them, your conference would have a really tough time getting to the big games in the BCS era.

[Killian]

Synopsis of my post above (I realize that reading the entire thing would be a strain for the west coast educated posters):

Ask Charlie Weiss and Jim Tressel if the SEC is tough. I think even you myopic SEC-haytas undoubtedly can admit that those two guys know something about college football. Gee, I think they may know a little more than even Dins...or me.

Why don't we ask Joe Paterno and Bret Bilema?

[buckeye_in_sc]

^^^^^^^^^^

You can do that with any coach and any conference...Jim Tressel has lost 3 games v the SEC...but he has won big games against the Big East Best (Miami - who was basically an SEC team in the early 2000's with all their speed, weapons, etc), a very good KSU team, etc...plus he beat the Pac 10's best in 2002 (WSU), Texas (he split)...etc...this can go on and on...

I mean the thing that gets me is that tOSU gets no cred from you guys (from my perspective)...they lost the MNC game...and got blown out...ok we have been over that...would it have been any different in your eyes if they lost by 1 point??? They got to the MNC game, they lost...ok...but to sit here and insinutate that they are garbage because they lost to an SEC team is ludicrous...

also here are some other points:

Michigan, Wisconsin, PSU, Iowa, and MSU are generally very good if not great Big 10 teams along with tOSU so there are quality teams on tOSU's schedule...Michigan usually plays ND and Oregon, and have played some pretty big Non Con games...but again to act like Michigan is shitty just because, is stupid.

I have never argued that the SEC wasn't great from top to bottom GENERALLY year in and year out...but take this year...South Carolina is finally back after what 6 years??? Kentucky in an aberation (as Sam has pointed out) and Vandy, Miss State, Arkanas, and Ole Miss are back to their normal doormat/lower tier status...so because South Carolina has risen up after 6 years and this aberation of Kentucky suddenly Kentucky could run the Big 10, etc...

The SEC doesn't get 3 weeks off in a row in terms of opponents? I mean SEC teams never play Miss State and Vandy back to back??? come on sam...they get their cream puffs during the year...SEC teams play teams much worse than YSU, Akron, etc...in fact Kent State played Kentucky this year and was TIED at 1/2 time...OSU was up 35-0 on Kent at 1/2 what can we draw from that? I could care less...

you play who is in front of you...you beat who is in front of you, you have no control over who is good or bad on your schedule...in fact just 2 short years ago in 2005 the SEC was rated pretty down by most computers (Tennesse was shitty, and UF and a couple of other schools weren't at the level they are at now)...but yet they still had to play their conference teams no matter how bad they were...also I will ask one question...if the SEC was so heads and shoulders above everyone why aren't they going undefeated in non-con or Bowl Games?

I mean if the SEC is so much better than the big 10 (mind you I am not saying the Big 10 is better but if this supposed quality of play is better and the athletes are better) then why did they go 1-2 vs the Big 10 in the bowls last year?

Just a question...

until we get a playoff this argument will continue...

[Dinsdale]

This is why Sammy and The SECTones are freaking hilarious, in a sad-kinda way.


A lot of people have given very detailed outlines of their beef with you. Yet all you can come away with is "you guys think the SEC sucks."


Uhm, Inbred... show me one post from one person here in the last freaking year that suggests the SEC ISN'T tough?

Go ahead and cite ONE example?

The accusations are "overrated" (which I believe refers mostly to what comes from YOUR mouths... "overrated" and "tough" aren't mutually excusive), and "weak schedulers."


The "overrated" portion is subjective. Of course, the reason it's subjective is because the SEC never gives anyone enough quantitavive evidence to make it anything but subjective. The onus is once again on YOU for that.

The "weak scheduling" isn't at all subjective. Obviously, every team in every conference has to play their conference schedule, and not too much can be done about that. BUT, teams certainly have a say in the OOC schedule. Toss out every teams' conference schedule, and start looking at OOC schedules.


You aren't really going to troll this place up by defending that, are you?

Of course you aren't -- you were intelligent enough to get a computer to make a messageboard post presumably unassisted, so you're obviously intelligent enough to realize how futile and hilarious that would be.


Is the freaking light coming on at all as to why you take so much shit? If not, this thread should serve as that lightswitch. You were told and asked several things here, yet as per usual, you heard/read something entirely different... something you obviously wanted to hear. Don't delude yourself by thinking withdrawing into your warped little fantasy world, a world in which the SEC reigns supreme, and the rest of those vastly inferior fans and teams are all part of this massive giant conspiracy to hate on the SEC, isn't some serious evidence of your dementia to those of us not married to a blood-relative.

This whole grossly deluded view of the CFB world is actually getting kind of... creepy. I'd just as soon y'all's leave me out of your weird fantasies, and get back to me when you get some sort of grip on reality....


You know, "reality." Like the REALITY that is Florida International, Troy, Louisiana-Whatever, and whichever D1AA/wish-they-were-"mid"-majors you draw out of the hat next season.

[Killian]

The SEC gets bashed because of it's OOC schedule and one of the only other posters who has a team in that conference just comes back with NATIONAL CHAMPS.

[M Club]

I guarantee you that SEC ADs have no desire to cost themselves a shot at a BCS championship game. Why would you schedule a powerhouse OOC game when you play Florida, LSU, Auburn, Kentucky (this year is an obvious aberration), Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama (not so good ...yet), Arkansas, and South Carolina...I do believe that is quite respectable compared to a school playing Northwestern, Michigan State, Minnesota, Indiana, Kent State, Youngstown State and Akron (this is all hypothetical, mind you).

so there are two ways to look at this:

1. it's nearly impossible in the sec to get a sniff of the mnc that you might as well earn respect by playing halfway-decent ooc games.

2. an sec team with an early ooc loss to a decent team will have time enough through the sec schedule to recover, so they should schedule better teams.

[Dinsdale]

Dins, claiming that a game against the Ducks in Eugene is more dangerous than one against the Sooners in Norman sorta makes you look less than brilliant...doncha think?

Oregon is a tough place to play, no doubt. But OU's record at home under Stoops is 51-2

I give the edge to Oklahoma.

As far as Ducksfan goes, you're preaching to the chior, bro.

Last I checked, U of O's last trip there resulted in a very resounding "L." Something about getting run over... All Day.

This is why Sammy and The SECTones are freaking hilarious... as per usual, you heard/read something entirely different... something you obviously wanted to hear.

Light coming on yet?

[T REX]

Matter of fact, if you go to the opponent's oppent's ranking systems, MOST of the PAC10 teams had a stronger SoS than Florida.

UF's was number one last year in opponent's opponents so you are WRONG there....no surprise.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

And there you have it.......which ever wayu you want to slice it and dice it....the SEC is RANKED higher than everyone else. Deal with it boys.

[Dinsdale]

UF's was number one last year in opponent's opponents so you are WRONG there....no surprise.

Ohhhhhh, dear.


Ohhhhh, dear.


Tell you what, moron -- why don't we put up the actual link to what it is you're TRYING to suggest, rather than the completely unfuckingrelated link you just tried to pass off, shall we?


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm



I realize that to the SEC-educated, an "8" kinda looks like a "1," but rest assured, you complete fucking douche, they are not the same quantity.



So, let me ask you a question, Trix -- are you stupid, or a liar?


Think carefully now -- the answer is an either/or... HAS to be one or the other... I was just curious whether you attribute your lies to intent or ignorance?


Florida finished last season ranked 8th in SoS in the Sagarins. Of course, that number was bolstered quite a bit by playing an extra game against the #2 ranked team... tell me you knew?


But again, I was just kind of curious -- why did you feel the need to LIE about the Sagarins? Or are you really this unable to decipher statistics, such as the difference between a "1" and an "8"?


BTW, you complete fucking douche, did you happen to notice that of the 7 teams ranked ahead of UF in SoS, one is from the SEC, and all 6 of the rest are from the PAC? And the one SEC team that eneterd the mix played a PAC10 team?


Way to cite a source that absolutely destroys the argument you're trying to make. You're an idiot.

[T REX]

http://www.warrennolan.com/football/2006/sos

Gawd damn......you are a fucking waste....you really are.....if there was ignore button on here you'd be on half of everybody's......

Dude, you must be a first rate loser in real life. No one is this fucking stupid.

[T REX]

http://www.theoneboard.com/board/viewto ... highlight=

Fancy that. CBS has LSU's sos ranked 10th. In fact, looks to me like most of the SEC teams are top 20.

Who has the SEC broadcast contract, again?

Last year(final polls)...UF was #8 SOS in the Sagarin and #1 SOS in the warrennolan(which is opponents winning % and opponents opponents winning %)......no CBS bias there......

You are fucking stupid......no one is this stupid. I posted your fucking bullshit days ago, dipshit.

No one is this stupid. How old are you? Honestly, I have to ask.....no mature adult acts like .....

[Dinsdale]

So, you posted that UF was #8 in the Sagarins in SoS "days ago," but today, you're claiming they're #1?


Two words, bro...


"GET"


"HELP"


You ain't quite firing on all cylinders, bud.

[T REX]

http://www.warrennolan.com/football/2006/sos

Gawd damn......you are a fucking waste....you really are.....if there was ignore button on here you'd be on half of everybody's......

Dude, you must be a first rate loser in real life. No one is this fucking stupid.

Don't click the link.......how old are you????????

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Why would you schedule a powerhouse OOC game when you play Florida, LSU, Auburn, Kentucky (this year is an obvious aberration), Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama (not so good ...yet), Arkansas, and South Carolina

Two things.

1) Worried about risking a loss, essentially, is an admission that you're on the same playing field with other teams and other conferences. Can't you understand that very basic logic?

2) I like how you listed nine "hypothetical" games on an SEC schedule, but you "accidentally" must have left of the SEC doormats that will appear on any SEC schedule. Just because there's a "WHOLE LOTTA" good teams in the SEC doesn't mean they're all playing one another. Let's say "hypothetically," LSU doesn't play UF. Does LSU still get credit for that simply because they're they're in the same conference as UF? That seems like what you're implying.

After playing at least 3 (given) OOC cupcakes, 2-3 (given) SEC doormats, there simply isn't room left over for nine of the SEC's perennial teams...such as what you listed above. It just doesn't happen.

Anyone who knows anything about college football is well aware that the schedule an SEC school plays compares quite favorably to any team in any other conferenc.

If that's true, then why don't ALL SEC teams, all 12 of them, occupy the top 12 Strength of Schedule spots year in and year out?

[Dinsdale]

http://www.warrennolan.com/football/2006/sos

Gawd damn......you are a fucking waste....you really are.....if there was ignore button on here you'd be on half of everybody's......

Dude, you must be a first rate loser in real life. No one is this fucking stupid.

Don't click the link.......how old are you????????

Uhm...


Uhm...


Hate to break it to you bud, but you mkight wanna check the methodology they use in the link you've implored me to click.



Uhm... that's strictly an opponent's winning percentage ranking.


As I mentioned earlier, that ranks how well Southern Miss did in CUSA. Using a methodology that employs opponent's opponents tends to weed out the creamouff schedulers such as Florida. Not sure where you're struggling here...


Oh, wait... I know exactly where you're struggling -- with your brain.


Let's review, shall we?


Trix claimed that Florida was #1 in SoS last season.

I countered that they were only #1 if you use a flawed methodology, and there were much more accurate indicators of SoS.

I come back with...they have the number one SOS in the country

if you use a SoS ranking system that actually considers opponent's opponents (which tends to expose a candy-assed schedule more than just looking at how well Southern Miss did in CUSA), all of a sudden that "#1" ranking goes by the wayside.

Matter of fact, I cited exact numbers and attempted to explain the methodologies, and why the basic NCAA SoS ranking was flawed.


Of course, Trix never misses a chance to prove himself a complete fuckup again, so he counters with...

Matter of fact, if you go to the opponent's oppent's ranking systems, MOST of the PAC10 teams had a stronger SoS than Florida.

UF's was number one last year in opponent's opponents so you are WRONG there....no surprise.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

And there you have it.......which ever wayu you want to slice it and dice it....the SEC is RANKED higher than everyone else. Deal with it boys.

Yup, you did actually read that right -- he posted a link (almost) to the very SoS ranking I cited (well, he missed it by a year, since he was discussing 2006).

I point out that when using the "opponent's opponent's" methodology, Florida drops to 8.


So how does Board Bitch 2007 counter my assertions and try to cover his erroneous ass?


BY CITING A SOS RANKING THAT USES STRICTLY OPPONENTS WINNING PERCENTAGE.



Trix: Florida had the #1 SoS last season.

Me: Actually, if you use the more accurate method of opponent's opponents records factored in, Florida drops to #8, further indicating weak scheduling.


Trix: Here's a link to opponent's opponets average, and we're #1!!!!


Me: Uhm, actually Trix, if you read the link you posted, or at least the relevant pages connected with it, it says you were #8 when using the opponent's opponents sytem.


Trix: OH YEAH?!?!?!!!! Well, here's a link that says we're #1 in opponent's opponents!!!!!!



Me: Uhm, bro -- that ranking system uses strictly opponent's winning percentage.


Trix: OH YEAH!?!?!???? Well.... YOU'RE STUPID!!!!!!!





No dude, seriously....


Two words:



"Licensed"

"Therapist"

[Dinsdale]

If that's true, then why don't ALL SEC teams, all 12 of them, occupy the top 12 Strength of Schedule spots year in and year out?

Because most of those spots are usually occupied by PAC10 teams.

[T REX]

How OLD are you?

[TheChief]

UF's was number one last year in opponent's opponents so you are WRONG there....no surprise.

Ohhhhhh, dear.


Ohhhhh, dear.


Tell you what, moron -- why don't we put up the actual link to what it is you're TRYING to suggest, rather than the completely unfuckingrelated link you just tried to pass off, shall we?


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm



I realize that to the SEC-educated, an "8" kinda looks like a "1," but rest assured, you complete fucking douche, they are not the same quantity.



So, let me ask you a question, Trix -- are you stupid, or a liar?


Think carefully now -- the answer is an either/or... HAS to be one or the other... I was just curious whether you attribute your lies to intent or ignorance?


Florida finished last season ranked 8th in SoS in the Sagarins. Of course, that number was bolstered quite a bit by playing an extra game against the #2 ranked team... tell me you knew?


But again, I was just kind of curious -- why did you feel the need to LIE about the Sagarins? Or are you really this unable to decipher statistics, such as the difference between a "1" and an "8"?


BTW, you complete fucking douche, did you happen to notice that of the 7 teams ranked ahead of UF in SoS, one is from the SEC, and all 6 of the rest are from the PAC? And the one SEC team that eneterd the mix played a PAC10 team?


Way to cite a source that absolutely destroys the argument you're trying to make. You're an idiot.

^^^^While I'm certainly not about to get involved in this thread...I just have to say....this reply is fucking hilarious. Thanks for the laugh Dins.

[War Wagon]

Yup, you did actually read that right -- he posted a link (almost) to the very SoS ranking I cited (well, he missed it by a year, since he was discussing 2006).

Yep, that's kinda' the point at which the debate totally blew up in his face.

But it is rather entertaining to watch SEC honk spin so furiously, year after year, in defense of their SoS and OoC honor. Hilarious, in fact.

Keep the trot lines freshly baited, they's some biguns' out there.

[Dinsdale]

Yep, that's kinda' the point at which the debate totally blew up in his face.

Oh not even, dude -- he's doing a fine job of trying to lie his way out of it.

[Dinsdale]

How OLD are you?

I'll give you a hint: I'm at an advanced enough age that those flash cards Mom used to use have really sunk in, and I no longer routinely confuse the numbers 8 and 1.

[Shoalzie]

Dude's team wins the glass football last year and he's griping about their strength of schedule? Florida had a strong resume last year and they housed the (then) #1 team in the title game...why is having the #1 SoS a necessary fact to have drilled into our heads?

[Dinsdale]

why is having the #1 SoS a necessary fact to have drilled into our heads?

Damn dude -- you're one hell of a guy... what with not wanting Trixie to have a monopoly on stupid in this thread.


Uhm, Schotz... he went into "SoS drilling mode" because SEC SoS was questioned.


You might try reading the thread next time.

[Killian]

Trix going to the "How old are you card" is his equivilant of a tap out.

Nice work, Dins.

[Terry in Crapchester]

UF's was number one last year in opponent's opponents so you are WRONG there....no surprise.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbc07.htm

Ohhhhhh, dear.


Ohhhhh, dear.


Tell you what, moron -- why don't we put up the actual link to what it is you're TRYING to suggest, rather than the completely unfuckingrelated link you just tried to pass off, shall we?


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm

As an aside, it's worth pointing out that even with the irrelevant link Trixie cited, Florida's schedule is rated #11, not #1. Apparently, he missed a 1 in there someplace.

And fwiw, much as he likes to criticize ND's SOS, I should point out that ND's SOS this season currently sits at #2. Having said that, I'm not about to go Trixie on our SOS for the following reasons:

• The way our schedule played out this year, our four weakest opponents come at the very end of the season. Since those games have not yet been played, they don't factor into our SOS just yet. Once they are factored in, our SOS ranking will drop like a lead zeppelin, even though it will still remain relatively high.
• We've undoubtedly helped bolster our own SOS by sucking so badly this year.

[T REX]

Again.....Sagarin(whom you have referenced) says the SEC is the best conference.

Fuck off......nice dodge on the age btw, I'm guessing early twenties......

SEC>the others

Our OOC just doesn't matter.....its funny on ESPNU they were talkign about this very subject. No other conference has the week in and week out grind of the SEC. I'm going to go with their experts over any of you. Period.

[Killian]

Again.....Sagarin(whom you have referenced) says the SEC is the best conference.

So does he also say that UF has the #1 SOS?

Fuck off......nice dodge on the age btw, I'm guessing early twenties......

Haven't been around much, have you?

SEC>the others

Our OOC just doesn't matter.....its funny on ESPNU they were talkign about this very subject. No other conference has the week in and week out grind of the SEC. I'm going to go with their experts over any of you. Period.

Yeah, let's go with the ESPN "experts" because they are always right. And not even ESPN, but ESPNU.

Your entire argument has been reduced to "The SEC is better than everything else because I said so and so did ESPNU!"

Well played.

[buckeye_in_sc]

I just want to ask a couple simple questions...

1) IF The SEC is a grind every week, how can you say that with MISS State, Vandy, Ole Miss, Arkansas (most years), Kentucky (Most years)...?

2) If a team from say the Big 10 like I don't know Northwestern or IU scares or beats say Michigan, tOSU, etc that is considered weak but if the same thing happens with say Miss State (Beating Auburn this year), or Ole Miss scaring LSU last year that is considered a grind and speaks to the toughness of the conference?

I just want to know how the same argument is twised to make sense for 1 conference but belittles everyone else???

just asking...

[T REX]

Again.....Sagarin(whom you have referenced) says the SEC is the best conference.

So does he also say that UF has the #1 SOS?

Fuck off......nice dodge on the age btw, I'm guessing early twenties......

Haven't been around much, have you?

SEC>the others

Our OOC just doesn't matter.....its funny on ESPNU they were talkign about this very subject. No other conference has the week in and week out grind of the SEC. I'm going to go with their experts over any of you. Period.

Yeah, let's go with the ESPN "experts" because they are always right. And not even ESPN, but ESPNU.

Your entire argument has been reduced to "The SEC is better than everything else because I said so and so did ESPNU!"

Well played.

How fucking stupid are you? SAGARIN has the SEC number one....and....who do you think appears on ESPNU college football Live????? Everybody at ESPN......watch the show before you say a fucking word.....oh...and 1-6 asshole......sit the fuck down...

And instead of me trying to explain WHY.....tell me why the SEC isn't the best overall conference.....outside of bowl records, rankings, and SOS.....what the fuck are we supposed to use????

[Killian]

OVERRATED

[See You Next Wednesday]

SECi s tops this year and last year, but if you look in the Sagarin archive over the last ten years they have hardly dominated.

[Terry in Crapchester]

And instead of me trying to explain WHY.....tell me why the SEC isn't the best overall conference.....

Asking someone to prove a negative?

Wow, just wow.

I suppose I could go to one of your favorite cards and ask you how old you are. My guess would be 20, tops.

[Sky]

How fucking stupid are you? SAGARIN has the SEC number one....and....who do you think appears on ESPNU college football Live????? Everybody at ESPN......watch the show before you say a fucking word.....oh...and 1-6 asshole......sit the fuck down...

And instead of me trying to explain WHY.....tell me why the SEC isn't the best overall conference.....outside of bowl records, rankings, and SOS.....what the fuck are we supposed to use????

Seriously dude, can you say melt.

Here's my take,

1) Buckeye_in_sc 2nd point is right on. You go on and on about how the Big10 is so weak and when one of our "lower-tier" teams beats one of the powerhouses, its a sign that our "upper-tier" is having a bad year. But when UK, Vandy, etc. has a good year, it makes the already "amazing" grind even tougher. Wow, tell me how that works.

2) Please don't quote ESPNU, ESPN, FoxSports, Yahoo Sports, ABC, NBC, Musburger, or any other media outlet as an expert. If that was so, we wouldn't even need to have this conversation because we could take their opinion as fact. However, we sit here and talk on this board because we disagree with them, we attempt to hash out our own opinions and see what kind of feedback we get (positive and negative). So a blanket "ESPNU said so" is just plain stupid.

3) I'm not convinced that the SEC is the toughest conference week-in and week-out. Your games are great games--exciting and enjoyable to watch. But who have your "upper-tier" teams played/will play this year OOC? Bold games are wins over a solid opponent:

Florida - Troy, W Kentucky, FAU, FSU
Georgia - Troy, Ok St, W Carolina, GT
Arkansas - Troy, N Texas, UT-Chatt, FIU
Auburn - KSU, SFU, NewMex St, Tenn Tech
LSU - VaTech, MTenn St, Tulane, LaTech
Tenn - Cal, So Miss, Ark St, LA Laf
South Car - LA Laf, SC St, UNC, Clemson
Kentucky - EKU, Kent St, Louisville, FAU

And that's all I got. Three decent wins with two of them being questionable (Big12 wins). Did I miss something here? So if you don't play that many good teams outside of your conference, I wonder how you reach such an absolute conclusion. Maybe saying the SEC is one of the better conferences would be acceptable but to throw this blanket claim out there when the only big wins came w/in the conference makes me wonder.

[indyfrisco]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAs6TDLuKgQ

[Goober McTuber]

A little less teef.

[Sky]

2008...uh, that's next year for those who are mathematically challenged in here:


Auburn plays at West Virginia.

Georgia is at Arizona State.

Arkansas at Texas.

Tennessee at UCLA.


What more can we do to satisfy you guys?

So the SEC is the best because of their schedule next year? Cool, I understand everything now.

But really, we can have this conversation next year as well. However, trying to validate this argument by saying 4 of 12 teams decided to play someone next year doesn't help me understand why the SEC is the best this year.

[Sky]

I know dude, I'm just giving you crap.

I hope that CFB at large continues to move towards at least one big OOC game every year for every team.