The Ron Paul Revolution gaining grounds in funding

[Shine]

The "money bomb" planned for today is "blowing up" as I type this. So far over 2 million has been raised today and the caysh keeps rolling in. The campaign has already raised more in approx. 6 weeks this quarter than it did all of the 3rd quarter, and that 3rd quarter number was double the 2nd quarter number. The more people learn about Dr. Paul's message the more support he gains. He's the only hope we have to avoid this catastrophic reality:

President Hillary Clinton

[Dinsdale]

The most important presidential election since that cherry-tree-chopping dude with wooden teeth got in.

And he is the Only Option.

RACK the Good Doctor. A man who doesn't want money or power, he just actually cares about you and I.

[BSmack]

A man who doesn't want money or power who just happens to be running for President?



Dins, what do you suppose Paul is going to do with all that money when he doesn't get the nomination?

[Shine]

A little less than an hour to go and the tally is over 4 million now. It'll be interesting to see how the MSM tries to spin the record breaking total of a guy who they deem has "no shot".

[BSmack]

So how much did the spam bots give?

[poptart]

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm ...........

It's a fascinating phenomenon that a guy with no political 'machine' can,
almost strictly at a grass roots level, absolutely kick @ss in fund raising,
and yet routinely show only 2 or 3% in the republican race 'polls' that are
trotted out for us to look at.

How does that work?



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BRAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!

[Dinsdale]

Dins, what do you suppose Paul is going to do with all that money when he doesn't get the nomination?

I would suppose that he'd either return it to whoever donated it, or he'll donate it to charity.


You do realize that Dr. Paul returns a good chunk of his pay as a Rep. because he believes Congressmen are overpaid, right? And he believes that Congress voting itself pay raises during deficit spending is deplorable, and refuses to accept it, right?


Man, if people would actually educate themselves, rather than bending over for the staus quo and laughing at that quaint little grassroots campaign, they'd probably be suprised by what they'd learn.


Just goes to show how badly this country has been corrupted by the power-mongering two-party joke.


You've been given a choice, tards -- walking further down the Road to Oppression, or a chance to actually live by the laws of this country and start thinking for yourself. It saddens me that so few people actually want to take responsibility for themselves and their decisions, and instead would rather have someone like Hillary do their thinking for them... ponderous.

And when your children and grandchildren asked why you let the USA crumble under a top-heavy government, will you look them in the eye and say "sorry... my bad"? Or should you maybe do something about it now?

Big Government is not the answer, and it never has been. And this fact gets proven correct with every passing day.


But by all means -- vote for Hillary -- whose new schpeil is "Bush has trashed the Separation of Powers." Hey Hillary -- I don't suppose you happened to read Article 1, Section 8 lately? Guess what -- you don't seem to have much respect for the Separation of Powers, either. And now you want to make it a plank of your campaign? Are you fucking serious?

The lunatics are running the asylum.

[Cuda]

Dins, what do you suppose Paul is going to do with all that money when he doesn't get the nomination?

I would suppose that he'd either return it to whoever donated it, or he'll donate it to charity.
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Hey, Everybody, we're all gonna get laid!

[Dinsdale]

Hey, Everybody, we're all gonna get laid!

We've got a dike and a nog... nog's good for you.

[Dinsdale]

Ron Paul has no shot .....

Someone remind me... who is #1 on Amazon's best-seller list for "government nonfiction"?


Oh... that would be Dr. Ron Paul.


The Establishment is getting very scared... and they should be.

The March to Freedom is growing by the day.

Prosperity awaits.

And yeah, closing up the borders and eliminating unconstitutional federal socialist programs is such an empty 18th century pipe-dream.

[BSmack]

Pipe dream it is. Of course it is the main thing that makes Paul such a fucking joke. There is no way in hell he could ever actually deliver on any of this even in the extraordinarily unlikely he was elected.

"Eliminate unconstitutional federal socialist programs"? OK. How? Think Congress is going to go along with that? Think the courts will?

While I agree in principle with most of domestic agenda, his pollyanna foreign policy is dangerous to the point of complete insanity. He makes Chimpy look statesman-like and brilliantly informed.

He's got nothing.

Paul could simply refuse to spend money appropriated for said programs. At the end of the year, the money would revert back to the Treasury. That tactic has been available for Republican Presidents for years. But they enjoy spending your money as much as Democrats.

[Cuda]

People are looking for realistic solutions not 18th century pipe dreams.

You mean like Socialism?

LTS TARD 2 is gonna bust a vein

[Dinsdale]

You mean like Socialism?

That seems to be both the Dems and Pubs' solution to every "crisis" these days... nevermind the fact that Big Government meddling is what causes the "crises" to begin with.


Independent thought has "become an untenable outpost in a sea of communism(the USA)."


Harry S Truman, we hardly knew ye. Maybe he should have included a clause about communism spreading through the United States, too.


An open border with Mexico and a socialist government... pure genius. Has "economic success" written all over it.

[Dinsdale]

And apparently Congress thinks that every man woman and child in the country has an extra $1500 or so to spend on the Pentagon in 2008.

If you've got several men women and children in your household, it's getting a little expensive to subsidize the oil industry and Halliburton et. al., eh?

[Dinsdale]

People are looking for realistic solutions not 18th century pipe dreams.

You mean like Socialism?

That's a 19th century pipe dream.

Kind of like putting half of a country's cash into the government's hands every year, and expecting that money to be used wisely, and heaven forbid actually create growth is a 19th century pipe dream.

If giving the People economic freedom is a "pipe dream," we should probably just cut to the chase and start paying half of the population to watch the other half, while the latter half works to pay for the half that watches.

Makes sense, in a Soviet kind of way.

[Mister Bushice]

You don't actually think he has a chance in hell of winning, do you?

If parts of his platform scares his own party then he has no party support, and he's fucked, and running as an independent or with an orphan party like the libertarians is a complete waste of time.

[Cuda]

http://www.liberty-watch.com/volume03/i ... rstory.php

Right down Dinsdale's alley, btw.

On a 106-degree May afternoon in 2003, government agents raided several establishments belonging to Southern Nevada businessman Robert “Bobby” Kahre. With guns drawn, officials held more than 20 handcuffed workers in the sun without water as agents collected records and other materials.

Kahre hadn’t committed a crime. He had upset the Internal Revenue Service by paying his workers based on the face value of gold and silver coins, versus the market value in the Federal Reserve system (the value of the coins in U.S. paper dollars). Even though the coins were in circulation, displayed a face value, and were regulated by Congress, the IRS’s confusing and endless tax code did not determine how to handle these gold and silver coins if used for payroll. The tax code only references dollars. It does not distinguish between coined money and paper money.

Kahre didn’t opt for the precious metal bullion system without first doing his homework. He consulted monetary experts, engaged in extensive research, and even met with congressmen. Kahre’s conclusion was simple: While the currency in the precious-metal system was greater in value than the currency in the other system, as money and a medium of exchange, the law knows no difference between the face value of both currencies.

The IRS expected Kahre to report his workers’ earnings based on the coins’ market value in the Federal Reserve system. Instead, he didn’t report or pay anything at all because the face value of the coins fell below the reporting threshold. The IRS alleged that Kahre and the other defendants paid at least $114 million (based on the Federal Reserve system) to workers. The use of these coins in trade is a direct challenge to the fiat money system now in place.

While the purpose of the case was to identify the intent of the defendants, the trial that followed tested America’s dual monetary system and further validated that the U.S. greenback is quickly becoming more and more a worthless piece of paper.

In 1985, Ron Paul and other congressmen challenged our country’s currency system, which was monopolized by Federal Reserve Notes (FRNs) — the familiar greenbacks in American wallets. The congressmen successfully pursued the Gold Bullion Coin Act, which required the U.S. government to mint and place gold coins in denominations of $50, $25, $10 and $5 into circulation based on demand. The coins are made of 91.67 percent pure gold.

The ultimate purpose of the act was to allow Americans to invest in gold. However, it also brought sanity back to this country’s monetary system by establishing a dual system. Instead of the Federal Reserve solely providing the money supply by endlessly printing FRNs, the U.S. government now minted and circulated precious metal coins.

In the mid-’90s, Kahre began exercising this alternate system. He compensated workers for their labor in the form of these gold and silver coins versus FRNs. The workers calculated their income and tax liability based on the face value of the coins.

One gold coin with a face value of $50 currently equals $806 in FRNs. If a worker earns a $50 gold coin each week, that person takes home an annual income of $2,600 based on the precious metal system, which is below the income-tax reporting threshold for an employee. However, the value of the coins in FRNs — $41,912 — is not. That’s the basic idea.

The IRS did not fancy Kahre’s gold-and-silver payroll system, and after seven years of operating his family businesses in this fashion, he and eight others found themselves as defendants in a Las Vegas federal courtroom. Kahre was charged with 109 counts of tax-related crimes, varying from tax evasion to willful failure to file and conspiracy to evade taxes. Fifty-two other counts were divided among the other defendants.

While the case was about the intent of the defendants, it raised several issues. There was the issue of whether or not Kahre’s workers were considered independent contractors, who are responsible for paying their own taxes, or employees, who have their taxes withheld by their employer each pay period. Then there’s the issue of America’s dual monetary system. If there are two monetary systems, and the value of one system’s currency is greater than the other beyond its face value, what is the standard for determining the value of taxable income?

No Federal Court of Appeals has ever ruled that the gold coins in question must be reported to the IRS based on FRN market value.

“The defense showed that the defendants believed in good faith that a Federal Reserve Note is not the standard because Congress created the dual monetary system,” said Joel Hansen, a Las Vegas attorney who represented one of the nine defendants in the Kahre case. “The defendants believed that gold and silver coins are just as legitimate and legal as our other tender, the FRN.”

Kahre certainly caught the attention of the IRS. In addition to operating his businesses via the gold-and-silver payroll system, according to testimony at the trial, he helped 35 other contracting companies do the same.

But even though Kahre and his colleagues followed the dual monetary system mandated by Congress, the IRS didn’t care. To America’s most feared agency, the bottom line was Kahre’s workers weren’t taxed enough for their labor.

Based partially on cases that pre-dated the 1985 Gold Bullion Coin Act, the judge in the case did not allow defense attorneys to argue that Kahre was justified to pay workers based on the face value of the coins. Based on case law, the court concluded that income had to be calculated based on the FRN fair market value, rather than upon the face value.

A flaw with some of those cases was that each referred to double-eagle gold coins, which Franklin D. Roosevelt outlawed in 1934. Those coins are no longer in circulation like the coins minted by the U.S. government following the 1985 Act. The double-eagle coins were deemed to be property for tax purposes in those old cases.

Of course, the judge’s rule was binding upon the parties and was followed by the defense attorneys at the trial. Hansen, under the good faith belief defense, was able to present evidence that his specific client, Alex Loglia, who performed research work for Kahre, did not have intent to commit tax crimes. This interesting twist allowed jurors to still hear the argument that Kahre was justified to pay workers based on the face value of the coins. The U.S. Supreme Court had long before ruled, in the Cheek case, that a good defense in a tax-evasion case is a person had good faith in not following certain tax laws.

“The Supreme Court said, if they don’t have criminal intent, then they are not guilty of tax evasion,” Hansen explained. “That doesn’t mean you don’t have to pay the tax, but it means you didn’t commit a crime and won’t go to jail for a felony.”

In 2005, Loglia penned a paper that earned him an ‘A’ from his law school professor Jay Bybee (who just happens to also be a 9th Circuit judge) on the gold-coin issue and the separation of powers. His paper took the position that, under Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 of the Constitution, Congress alone had the power to coin money and set its value.

Loglia’s position was that the judicial branch does not have this power.

“The judge applied those old court cases, but we were still able to make the argument that Alex was not criminally liable because he believed in good faith in the use of the face value of the gold and silver coins for tax purposes,” Hansen said. “Loglia’s 100-page legal paper was great evidence for the jury of his good faith belief.”



Beyond the courtroom, there is another significant issue with the Kahre case — it gives attention to the ever-decreasing value of the Federal Reserve Note.

One Euro is now worth $1.45 in FRNs. A Chinese Yuan buys the same as $1.34 in FRNs. Even the Canadian dollar is now more valuable than our paper currency. Compared to the American buck, it’ll buy seven cents more in goods and services.

“Because of how much stronger the Euro is compared to an American FRN, the Federal Reserve just pumped up to $50 billion of FRNs into Federal Reserve banks to prop up the banks,” Hansen said. “But when they do that, every dollar that you have in your pocket is now worth less.”

However, America’s other monetary system — gold and silver coins — does not decrease in value. It becomes more valuable in terms of FRNs. Americans, though, rely on the FRN, and its rapid decline will sooner than later decimate the middle class, Hansen said.

Take socialist Karl Marx’s theory, for example. He believed the most effective way to obliterate the middle class involved a system of progressive taxation coupled with inflation. In the Federal Reserve’s case, if the bank continues to inflate the currency so that everybody moves into higher and higher tax brackets, eventually everybody will pay 30 to 40 percent of their income to taxes in Federal Reserve Notes, all while the FRN decreases in value due to inflation.

“By using the gold coins, Kahre was beating Karl Marx, the socialists and the liberals who want people to pay more and more so they can have bigger and bigger government,” Hansen said. “Kahre challenged the whole system and that’s why the IRS came down so hard on him and his associates.

“The IRS doesn’t want this going on; they want you to use their fiat money and be forced into higher tax brackets through progressive taxation coupled with inflation. That way there’s no limit on the money they can issue and inflate.”

On Sept. 17, after four months of trial and days of deliberation, the Las Vegas federal jury returned with its verdicts. The courtroom was crowded as the IRS and Department of Justice filled the entire area on their side of the chambers with its officials.

Hansen was uncertain of what to expect. He just hoped that the jurors listened closely to the evidence presented.

“I could tell in the closing arguments, as I was watching the jury, that they were sympathetic to what I was saying. But what they were going to do, I did not know,” he recalled. “I think the government, because it had packed the courtroom, was confident they were going to get numerous guilty verdicts.”

Rather, jurors delivered zero guilty verdicts. Three defendants, all workers, were acquitted as well as Kahre’s mother, who worked as a runner for her son’s businesses. Two other defendants were partly acquitted — the jury hung on one count each. The jury also hung on all counts faced by Kahre, Loglia and Kahre’s sister, resulting in mistrials.

“I’m telling you that I have never seen such a dejected group of people leave a courtroom in my life,” Hansen said of DOJ and IRS officials. “They were shocked. Of course, we were pleased.

“The thing is, they had 161 counts and they did not get a guilty verdict on a single one. They got a big goose egg. We didn’t get not-guilty verdicts for everyone, but the government didn’t get anything.”

The IRS was supposed to notify the judge in late October if the agency intended to retry the five defendants on the charges that resulted in a hung jury. The government waffled, indicating they would pursue another grand jury and issue superceding indictments. More information will be known by mid-November.

Looking back, Hansen recalls what may have been a key turning point in the trial. The government called three accountants to testify. The defense asked each one, “What is the proper way to calculate income for purposes of the Internal Revenue Code if you are paid in a gold coin that has a $50 face value on it?” All three of them responded, “I do not know; I’ll have to research that.”

“One of them had a masters degree in taxation!” Hansen observed, saying their answers made it difficult to prove the defendants willfully committed tax crimes. “If accountants and masters of taxation don’t know the answer to this question, how in the world can they expect anything different from an ordinary person who is confronted with a dual monetary system created by Congress?”

Hansen believes it was uncalled for to prosecute Kahre and the other eight defendants criminally. The case revolved around a complicating and confusing legal issue. It should have been handled civilly, Hansen said, but the IRS wanted to make an example of these defendants because the federal government simply doesn’t want anyone paying a lower tax than what the feds determine should be paid.

“If a coin says it is a $50 gold piece, and it says ‘In God We Trust,’ and the law says that it is legal tender, and it is in circulation, isn’t it reasonable for people to think that they can calculate their tax liability based on that?” Hansen asks. “If a tax accountant can’t answer that question, how can a common worker be guilty of a crime? The outcome of this case is a magnificent victory for those of us who believe that the United States of America should have an honest monetary system.”

[Dinsdale]

So when you let a non-government agency decide how much money that piece of paper in your pocket is worth, rather than assigning a real market value to it, there's a chance for abuse and economic decline?

Wow! Who knew?

When a small group of anonymous men get to decide exactly how much your assets are worth, and can change it on a whim to support the spending of Big Government, there's potential for problems, like economic collapse for instance?

That's some shocking stuff. Really.

Let the March To Socialism continue. But you better start working on the excuses you're going to make to your grandchildren when they ask "why did you let this happen, Grandpa?" I kind of doubt that "well, I thought all of those rich guys who bought the government were looking out for my better interest" is going to fly.

[BSmack]

No wonder you support an idiot like Ron Paul.

Ron Paul's no idiot. Anybody able to sell the snake oil he's been selling to the tune of 4 million dollars can't be that dumb.

Now his followers...

[Dinsdale]

Anybody able to sell the snake oil he's been selling

What would that be?


Following the Constitution is "selling snake oil"?

Implementing a sustainable foreign policy and border enforcement is "snake oil"?

Promoting free-market solutions is "snake oil"?


Damn, how the mighty have fallen. The United Staes used to be the country of "We Can!" Now the mantra is "we know we can't, so let's give up on even trying."


And don't fucking kid yourself through your rose colored glasses -- you have two choices for prez. You can vote for Dr. Paul, or you can vote for the Nero/Fiddle ticket. Those truly are your only two choices.

You can vote for whichever person you want to take even more of your money so they can fight about which pork barrel to put it in, or you can vote for someone who wants you to keep your money and do whatever the fuck you want with it. It really is that simple. But the pro-establishment types who think the sky will fall if we ween special interests and the PNACers from our societal tit would like you to believe that stopping the March of Socialism will create some massive disaster. They're lying.


I truly am astonished that in this country that spent 45 years fighting the Cold War on the basis of a profound opposition to socialism, this same country is now embracing it. Absolutely ponderous. And all you have to do to fight it is "just say no." Yet you don't have the balls, because you want to live in a Nation of Pussies and have your ass wiped for you.


Sad times in America.

[Dinsdale]

Paul is lying, hypocritical piece of shit as well as an insane moron.

Link?


Bush is a "moron." Paul is a MD.


And Dr. Paul is BY FAR the most honest member of Congress, and the competition isn't even close.


Why, just ask him how many shipments of chemical and bio weapons went to Iraq and Iran in the 80's, and he'll tell you straight-up.


Sad, sad day in America when following the Rule of Law makes you "insane."

[poptart]

The guy who upholds the Constitution is the insane moron.

And out of all the lying, hypocritical, piece of shit douchebags the parties regularly prop up for the sheep to vote for, mvscal pinpoints Ron Paul as a lying, hypocritcal piece of shit.



tears

[Dr_Phibes]

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Let the March To Socialism continue.

A mixed economy has nothing to do with socialism. It was par for the course for everyone, post war.

[Dinsdale]

Larding spending bills with pork for your district and then voting against it knowing that it is sure to pass so you can burnish your (false) credentials as anti-spending makes him fundamentally dishonest.

Wrong again.

His two primary functions as a Congressman are to A) uphold the Constitution of the USA, and B) represent the people of his district to the best of his ability (and not the interest of lobbyists).

He votes against any bill that doesn't jibe with the Constitution, and deplores any of the branches granting themselves additional powers beyond that described in the Constitution. In the event he fails at that and is overridden by the unconstitutional majority, he puts earmarks on the bills to make sure his people get their cut of the socialist dole...because that's his freaking job.

Any time he gets tired of representing Texas, he's welcome to head U&L any time.

[poptart]

People are looking for realistic solutions not 18th century pipe dreams.

This is an interesting take.

Ok, at what point in U.S. history did it become wise for us to seek 'realistic solutions' rather than following the precepts given to us by the founders?

1850?

1900?

1950?

2000?


When was it, and why?

[Dinsdale]

Go on. Sell me.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com


Roll back federal spending, let the states and municipalities take over "morality laws" and social programs(like the Constitution states), and shift the military towards "national defense" rather than "national offense"...


why is that so hard to grasp?

Save the "US interests abroad" crap -- as long as we have the cayshe, other countries will sell us whatever we need, and if we can't buy it on the open market, well make do without. Heck, if we quit trying to manipulate foreign markets militarily, the free market will drive prices down. One could make a case that OPEC never would have happened if the US didn't try to manipulate the market.


Over the last 15 years or so, Big Government has expanded at a truly alarming rate. Bureaucratic growth is inevitable --bureaucracies must grow or die. But that growth needs to get knocked back down once it gets to the meat of the parabolic curve. And Now is that time. The two party system has failed, and both parties are in a mad race to spend and collect your money as quickly as possible. Sorry, but working for the government, even if you work in the private sector, is socialism, plain and simple.


Fuck the Fed. Let individual communities and states decide for themselves what morals to ebforce, and what social programs are best suited to serve their own communities... the way it should be. And quit making Johnny Q Public pay for other countries' defense (save for those that are currently under treaty, and those should even be re-examoned).

And leaving the UN used to sound like the ramblings of a madman, but now seems like a sound policy. Only Congress has the authority to decide where our young men and women will fight and die. And the UN now seems hell-bent on redistributing America's wealth, which clearly wasn't the idea behind UN Membership.

There's so many good reasons to back the Conservative Revolution, and it's only the fear/profit mongering chicken little's that seem to have any negatives to add.


When your lot in life is beginning to suck ass, a change is a good thing. And when there's too many hands in the cookie jar, it's time to start storing your cookies somewhere else.

[Shine]

Here's an idea mvscal. Instead of going the Jesse Jackson route (before he only engaged in the politics of race baiting) and pointing out the flaws of everyone else while failing to offer any solution of your own, why don't you share with us who the best choice is for POTUS and why said person is the best choice??

[Terry in Crapchester]

You call this milquetoast horseshit a "revolution"? Are you fucking kidding me? Revolutions are decided by pulling triggers not levers in a voting booth.

The ballot is mightier than the bullet. Sayin'.

[Dinsdale]

I'll just go ahead and RACK the rant.

Although if I had the pleasure of watching Congress burn, I'd just as soon see Dr. Paul on the outside laughing with the rest of us, since I think he's possibly the only Congressman in the last 25 years to have so much as uttered the word "Constitution," and seems to be the only member who's actually read it.

I agree that these neccessary changes won't happen overnight. Some may noty happen ever. But does that mean we should just give up? Toss fate to the wind and let the powermongers take every last penny? Should we sit back and watch as the richest-of-the-rich try and shove a "global economy" down our throats, even though anyone with even the slightest lick of common sense realizes that the only direction the USA will go from that is down?

When?

When we're a third-world nation after our economy has been gutted(no, really tards -- you can't start spending trillions on a war, and decide that's a great time to cut taxes and bust out the credit card. Our government is running our country like a trailer-trash whore with a new Walmart Card)?


Since we agree that Humpty Dumpty went for a ride in Fatsak's shopping cart, wouldn't now be an excellent time to try and right the ship?


Because frankly folks, a combination of an apathetic populace, severely corrupt politicians, and a big fat pile of wealth has painted a big target on our backs, Americans. With the PNACers and UN douches wanting Americans' money to be everybody's money, the world is gunning for you, and the horrible traitorous Bush family has given them their opportunity.


Someone remind me again -- what do Americans do when the world, or any small part of it is trying to pull a fast one on them? Someone remind me at which point in American History that Americans said "gee, a foreign entity is trying to slice themselves off a chunk of the USA. I suppose we should just sit back and let them. After all, we have the most wealth and resources, so it's only fair that the rest of the world should get to decide how to divvy it up."

Is that really the New America?

Really?

Our whole Way of Life should change so the major shareholders of Walmart can get even wealthier? That's the only real positive byproduct of Clinton and Bush's traitorous acts.


Ponderous.


And I'm more than ready to water the Tree of Liberty... trust me on that one. I'd just like to give the system we have a chance to heal first. A very dark time could possibly be averted if we act now. Should the current crisis escalate at its current rate, there's some very rough waters ahead, a lot sooner than the "please help me, Big Government" types would ever imagine.

Because quite frankly, I see federal welfare/social programs as stealing. And Dad will usually pretend he didn't noticed you took a few swigs off his favorite bottle, and give you a pass. When that bottle suddenly is just about empty when Dad wants to get his drink on, he whoops your freaking ass.

OK, borderline analogy, but you can only tap the same well so many times before the rightful owner of the well starts getting pissed.

Regardless what some asshat liberal may have told you, you don't owe anybody SHIT. Least of all someone who isn't even in this country legally.


It seems the crossroads has come. Act now, or say goodbye to our old friend, the United States of America. We've already seen the shift to socialism, we've seen a rollback of civil liberties, and we've seen entanglement in foreign affairs to benefit a select few. Yet some of you still think it's some kind of joke?

The unbelievably vast majority of Americans want to see greatly increased border/immigration security, and an equally large majority finds it ridiculous that illegal aliens are allowed to benefit from social programs at the taxpayers' expense.

So how do your elected "representatives" deal with it? By telling you you're wrong, and there's a "compromise."


THAT, my friends, is why the Second Amendment is there. If your "representatives" aren't representing their constituents... who are they representing? If they can't be removed with a ballot, they can be removed with a bullet (which the Founders were fairly clear about). But with a broken sytem, replacing them with another corrupt jackass just brings about a different recipient of your stolen money.


And that's what boggles my mind... our lazy, apathetic society doesn't hold these traitors to their sworn duties.

Say, for example, 90% of your district wants increased border enforcement, and no amnesty(and 90% is a pretty reasonable figure for many dustricts). Yet your rep doesn't introduce legislation to enact increased enforcement as quickly as possible, and instead toes some party line, and dances around the issue?

And he's still employed in Washington... why? He directly opposed the will oif his constituents. That's grounds for imprisonment, not reelection, you fucking retards.


But nah... you should probably bust out that fiddle anytime, Nero.

[Terry in Crapchester]

You call this milquetoast horseshit a "revolution"? Are you fucking kidding me? Revolutions are decided by pulling triggers not levers in a voting booth.

The ballot is mightier than the bullet. Sayin'.

Sincerely,

At No Point in Recorded History

Then you're of the opinion that the American experiment was a failure? Noted.

[Dinsdale]

You call this milquetoast horseshit a "revolution"? Are you fucking kidding me? Revolutions are decided by pulling triggers not levers in a voting booth.

The ballot is mightier than the bullet. Sayin'.

Sincerely,

At No Point in Recorded History

Bullshit. Why, we voted Hitler right out of office.

Sin,
6,000,000 Jews




And mv... we're not so different, you and I. I'm just a pissed off bitterman realist that looks towards the bright sunny side of the fence, that's all.


Without hope, there is nothing.

Is Ron Paul the answer?


Probably not. But what he will bring to the table is hope.


But don't get me wrong -- I'm more than prepared to dance in the ruins. I'm just hoping to not do it until shortly before I'm ready to check out. Heck, I don't have any children of my own, so why should I even give a fuck? And since no one in this country who does have children gives a fuck, I'm not inclined to go too far to bat for their kids, when they won't.

Alls I want is for the Collapse to be delayed until I'm old and gray, and can laugh about it, rather than stress.

S'all's I want. But at this rate, it's not going to be another 35-40 years... it's coming a lot sooner, and that just isn't going to work for me.

As far as "apathy, ignorance, greed and identity politics will kill it " -- I'm not sure that's the case so much as blind trust in people you're handing money to, and demanding no accountabilty from. I'm not sure I attribute it to a kind caring soul who tends to trust people too much, or just plain stupidity, but I'm leaning towards the latter.

Seriously, People -- how dumb do you gotta be? "Oh, OK. Yeah, why don't you give half of my money to that super-rich guy over there... sounds good to me!" Sorry if that's an oversimplification, but frankly, you people have proven yourselves to be overly simple. And until the day comes that you replace "oh, OK... sounds good" with "what the hell? Get the fuck out of that Office before I string you up, asshat," you're going to continue to be seen as really fucking simple tools, because that's exactly what you are.

[Dr_Phibes]

You might want to begin preparing yourself for the American Imperium and I do mean a real Imperium not the fake Empire handwringing you see from liberal wingnuts and whimpering Paulistinians.

:? Imperium in what sense? You're going to run out and kick everyones ass?

[Shlomart Ben Yisrael]

I've seen mvscal skulk around here with a black cloud over his head before, but this is, by far, the most
cynical, defeated, deflated and resigned to annihilation incarnation yet.

And I'm not even talking about the good-time "I'm on the peace train" yuckity-yuck mvscal...

..we're talkin' Atomic Punk's Downer Gloomfest Unextravaganza kind of mvscal.

[poptart]

It seems the crossroads has come. Act now, or say goodbye to our old friend, the United States of America. We've already seen the shift to socialism, we've seen a rollback of civil liberties, and we've seen entanglement in foreign affairs to benefit a select few. Yet some of you still think it's some kind of joke?

Not enough racks to go around for Dinsdale in this thread, but RACK this little part.

Paul couldn't get done even 1/10th of what he wants to get done, due to having to work through the criminals in Congress, but turning around, bending over and pulling the lever for someone other than him won't work for me, sorry.

[Cuda]

Imperium?

Otherwise known as No-Man's Land: the area between the Gash and the Starfish

[Mister Bushice]

Close, but tainted as usual.

But at least you had most of the letters, even if they were a little out of order and you thought only women had one.

Not surprising, since you've probably haven't been close to a female peri-umm-imperium since birth.

[poptart]

Enjoy, Dinsy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktIECyzf4YM&NR=1

[Shine]

mvscal, if you want to say the system is broken and corrupt you'll get no disagreement from me. If you want to say that all the other candidates represent different versions of more of the same you'll again get no disagreement from me. But if you want to lump Ron Paul in with all the other status quo candidates you'll get vehement disagreement. If you want to say the system is beyond repair and only violent revolution will fix the problem you'll again get disagreement from me.

I still believe that with the RIGHT leadership we can salvage the "American Experiment". Only a fool would think this could happen overnight but electing Ron Paul is the spark that could (could, not a guarantee by any means) ignite an apathetic populace into waking the fuck up and getting this train back on the track. Dr. Paul acknowledges he wouldn't be able to implement a majority of the ideas he stands for but again he could be the start of moving things in that direction. You did admit that it (American Experiment) isn't quite dead yet so that leads me to think that you still hold onto some small shred of it being salvaged. Those things you describe as the culprits behind the demise (apathy, ignorance, greed, identity politics) are the very things that Ron Paul stands in direct contrast too and the grass roots campaign he is mounting illustrates that all hope is not lost.

The reason his campaign is growing exponentially is because the more people that hear his message the more supporters he gains. As the man himself has stated, freedom is a powerful message.

[Dinsdale]

Any man who has as his main platform "I want to get the government out of your life, not deeper into it" can't be all bad.

[Dinsdale]

July 16, 2007

The recent defeat of the amnesty bill in the Senate came after outraged Americans made it clear to the political elite that they would not tolerate this legislation, which would further erode our national sovereignty. Similarly, polls increasingly show the unpopularity of the Iraq war, as well as of the Congress that seems incapable of ending it.

Because some people who vocally oppose amnesty are supportive of the war, the ideological connection between support of the war and amnesty is often masked. If there is a single word explaining the reasons why we continue to fight unpopular wars and see legislation like the amnesty bill nearly become law, that word is “globalism.”

The international elite, including many in the political and economic leadership of this country, believe our constitutional republic is antiquated and the loyalty Americans have for our form of government is like a superstition, needing to be done away with. When it benefits elites, they pay lip service to the American way, even while undermining it.

We must remain focused on what ideology underlies the approach being taken by those who see themselves as our ruling-class, and not get distracted by the passions of the moment or the rhetorical devices used to convince us how their plans will be “good for us.” Whether it is managed trade being presented under the rhetoric of “free trade,” or the ideas of “regime change” abroad and “making the world safe for democracy” -- the underlying principle is globalism.

Although different rhetoric is used in each instance, the basic underlying notion behind replacing regimes abroad and allowing foreign people to come to this country illegally is best understood by comprehending this ideal of the globalist elite. In one of his most lucid moments President Bush spoke of the “soft bigotry of low expectations.” Unfortunately, that bigotry is one of the core tenets at the heart of the globalist ideology.

The basic idea is that foreigners cannot manage their own affairs so we have to do it for them. This may require sending troops to far off lands that do not threaten us, and it may also require “welcoming with open arms” people who come here illegally. All along globalists claim a moral high ground, as if our government is responsible for ensuring the general welfare of all people. Yet the consequences are devastating to our own taxpayers, as well as many of those we claim to be helping.

Perhaps the most seriously damaged victim of this approach is our own constitutional republic, because globalism undermines both the republican and democratic traditions of this nation. Not only does it make a mockery of the self-rule upon which our republic is based, it also erodes the very institutions of our republic and replaces them with international institutions that are often incompatible with our way of life.

The defeat of the amnesty bill proves though that there is no infallible logic, or predetermined march of history, that forces globalism on us.