Shula's grippin'

Cueball · Post by **Cueball** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:41 pm

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footb ... defea.html

Let the spinsters begin

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:14 pm

mvscal wrote:
Shula insists the NFL needs to place an asterisk next to the Patriots in the record books because Bill Belichick got caught cheating in the Spygate scandal.
RACK.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:36 pm

RevLimiter wrote:

FTFY

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:46 pm

mvscal wrote:Die in a fire, you fat, stupid piece of shit.

Careful what you wish for.

Can you imagine Paul's girth becoming engulfed in flames? It would make a fire in McDonald's meat processing plant look like a simple grease fire.

And you mvscal, of all people, should be concerned about such a thing happening, not encouraging it. After all, if someone were to try and throw water on it to combat such a fat-laden conflagration, the resultant splatter could concievably launch all the way to the brushlands of Southern California, and do we really need a Chapter 2 to that saga?

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 8:55 pm

Way to stay on topic, you melting tards.

See You Next Wednesday · Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:08 pm

While I am not big fan of the Patriots, I think unless you have solid proof that they cheated during those playoff runs you can't say there should be an asterisk. I'm not saying you can't think the Championships are tainted, just that since the only proof of cheating is in the Jets game you can't put an official "footnote" on the previous Super Bowl victories.

indyfrisco · Post by **indyfrisco** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:26 pm

See You Next Wednesday wrote:I didn't read the article, but I'll comment anyways.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:53 pm

help me out here Pats haters....

is that about the gist of it?

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:06 pm

RACK Felix

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:07 pm

Felix wrote:is that about the gist of it?

If everybody knows where the camera is, then everybody can cover up their signs relative to that camera angle.

Tell me you knew?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:17 pm

BSmack wrote: If everybody knows where the camera is, then everybody can cover up their signs relative to that camera angle.

tell me this is NOT the argument your making.....you do know about the various lenses that are available for video cameras don't you.....lenses that would allow somebody to read the writing on a dime from that height......

and what about all of the other angles that are "okay" to shoot from....what if the team has four cameras trained on the coach from all of the various angles they are allowed to shoot from....which angle should the coach be trying to block....

after all, the coaches have nothing more to worry about during the course of a game than which angle somebody might be trying to steal their signals from.....

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:31 pm

Felix wrote:
BSmack wrote:If everybody knows where the camera is, then everybody can cover up their signs relative to that camera angle.
tell me this is NOT the argument your making.....you do know about the various lenses that are available for video cameras don't you.....lenses that would allow somebody to read the writing on a dime from that height......

Back away from the comic book spuds. They don't have any lenses that will allow you to see through a clipboard.

and what about all of the other angles that are "okay" to shoot from....what if the team has four cameras trained on the coach from all of the various angles they are allowed to shoot from....which angle should the coach be trying to block....

I think mv handled that one nicely. Refer back to his post if you need it.

after all, the coaches have nothing more to worry about during the course of a game than which angle somebody might be trying to steal their signals from.....

It's one of many things they worry about. Coaches are so paranoid about sign stealing that they cover their mouths when talking on their headsets so that teams can lip read them. And yet you think coaches wouldn't worry about teams stealing defensive signs?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:45 pm

mvscal wrote:What part of this are you struggling to comprehend, dipshit?

I'm not struggling with anything pinhead.....

it's obvious from the passage you've cited that taping opposing coaches in and of itself is not cheating....it's apparently where the video is shot from that creates the problem......

The activity that got the Patriots branded as cheaters lay in the use of a videotape camera on the sidelines of the team's September 2007 victory over the NY Jets. The videographer recorded Jets assistant coaches signaling to players, then panned up to the scoreboard to track signals from down to down, panned down to the coaches in question upon each new down, and so forth. Much airtime was expended and ink discharged claiming that such videotaping constitutes "stealing signals," ignoring as it does that Patriot coaches in the stadium's coaching booth atop the grandstands, viewing through binoculars, were tasked with reading and deciphering opponent signals.

seriously, if there's a bigger non-scandal scandal than this, I'd like to know what it is.....

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:52 pm

Again, RACK Felix.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 10:59 pm

Felix wrote:seriously, if there's a bigger non-scandal scandal than this, I'd like to know what it is.....

Roger Goodell says you're full of shit. The NFL doesn't yank 1st round draft picks for no reason at all.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:06 pm

BSmack wrote:
Roger Goodell says you're full of shit. The NFL doesn't yank 1st round draft picks for no reason at all.

you forgot the $1,250,000 in fines levied too.....

that lends further credence to your arguments.....

given the fact the NFL wasn't enforcing these rules prior to this outrage, can I now assume there are a gaggle of NFL employees that are now responsible for ensuring that no videotaping of opposing coaches goes on......

good fucking luck with that.....

See You Next Wednesday · Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:11 pm

IndyFrisco wrote:
See You Next Wednesday wrote:I didn't read the article, but I'll comment anyways.

Guilty.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:42 pm

mvscal wrote:It's right there in plain English.

They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

So, in Plain English, the only places it's legal to videotape from are the stadium broom closets and restrooms(sup Irie's Fantasy)?

The NFL office might want to brush up on their Plain English a bit.

upstart · Post by **upstart** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:00 am

I bet Cam Cameron shit his pants when he heard what Shula said.December 23 is going to be a long cold day in Foxboro for him.

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:17 am

Dinsdale wrote:
So, in Plain English, the only places it's legal to videotape from are the stadium broom closets and restrooms(sup Irie's Fantasy)?

The NFL office might want to brush up on their Plain English a bit.

yeah, they're a funny bunch......

anywho...

Don Shula, the coach of the only perfect season in NFL history, believes the Patriots have a legitimate shot at running the table and joining his '72 Dolphins in going undefeated in the regular season and playoffs. But if they can pull it off, Shula insists the NFL needs to place an asterisk next to the Patriots in the record books because Bill Belichick got caught cheating in the Spygate scandal.

but really, doesn't their season have to be asterisked regardless of how they end up...or is it just if they go undefeated.....

fine Don, if an asterisk will make you feel better about yourself then so be it......but that presumes a lot....

we'll cross that whine when we come to it.....

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:24 am

Is there anything anyone could do or say to convince the 72 Dolphin Crew what complete fucking tools they look like every season when they celebrate?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:25 am

mvscal wrote: Ever heard of windows?

Ever been in a pressbox?

Apparently not.

See You Next Wednesday · Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:28 am

Maybe they should asterisk the '72 Dolphins undefeated season, given that it was one of the easiest schedules in the history of the NFL.

Cosmo Kramer · Post by **Cosmo Kramer** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:29 am

Let's put an asterisk next to every team that's gone 14-2 since they accomplished the same amount of wins that the manatees did....what a dick!!

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:31 am

See You Next Wednesday wrote:Maybe they should asterisk the '72 Dolphins undefeated season, given that it was one of the easiest schedules in the history of the NFL.

shhhhhhh...mums the word.....

NFL rules state "no video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches' booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game." They also say all video for coaching purposes must be shot from locations "enclosed on all sides with a roof overhead."

but if they move one door down to one of the luxury suites it's okay......

DamnTheCowboys · Post by **DamnTheCowboys** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:27 am

I say put an asterisk on every Shula's Steakhouse since the steaks are overpriced and the bastards don't even offer you bread on the side.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:58 am

Dinsdale wrote:Is there anything anyone could do or say to convince the 72 Dolphin Crew what complete fucking tools they look like every season when they celebrate?

Could somebody show me a picture of the 72 Dolphins celebrating as a team at any time OTHER than the 85 season when the Dolphins ownership invited the team to that Monday Night game against the Bears? I've heard about the celebrations, but I'd rather see some proof than take the word of Jim Rome on this.

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:18 am

BSmack wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:Is there anything anyone could do or say to convince the 72 Dolphin Crew what complete fucking tools they look like every season when they celebrate?
Could somebody show me a picture of the 72 Dolphins celebrating as a team at any time OTHER than the 85 season when the Dolphins ownership invited the team to that Monday Night game against the Bears? I've heard about the celebrations, but I'd rather see some proof than take the word of Jim Rome on this.

In Week 17 you'll see them on the Giants sideline at The Meadowlands in a failed attempt to cheer them to a victory over the Patriots.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:13 pm

RevLimiter wrote:
BSmack wrote:Could somebody show me a picture of the 72 Dolphins celebrating as a team at any time OTHER than the 85 season when the Dolphins ownership invited the team to that Monday Night game against the Bears? I've heard about the celebrations, but I'd rather see some proof than take the word of Jim Rome on this.
In Week 17 you'll see them on the Giants sideline at The Meadowlands in a failed attempt to cheer them to a victory over the Patriots.

Were they invited by the Giants?

Paul, you're a retard. Kill yourself before you reproduce.

RevLimiter · Post by **RevLimiter** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 1:53 pm

BSmack wrote:
RevLimiter wrote:
BSmack wrote:Could somebody show me a picture of the 72 Dolphins celebrating as a team at any time OTHER than the 85 season when the Dolphins ownership invited the team to that Monday Night game against the Bears? I've heard about the celebrations, but I'd rather see some proof than take the word of Jim Rome on this.
In Week 17 you'll see them on the Giants sideline at The Meadowlands in a failed attempt to cheer them to a victory over the Patriots.
Were they invited by the Giants?

Paul, you're a retard. Kill yourself before you reproduce.

Went RIGHT OVER your mongoloid head, didn't it BitchSmacked?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:19 pm

BSmack wrote:Could somebody show me a picture of the 72 Dolphins celebrating as a team at any time OTHER than the 85 season when the Dolphins ownership invited the team to that Monday Night game against the Bears? I've heard about the celebrations, but I'd rather see some proof than take the word of Jim Rome on this.

Ater a good few seconds of internet research, the "consensus" seems to be that it's happened on an occasion, but maybe not every year.

I do have a vague memory of Bob Griese being pictured celebrating after the Brian Griese-led Donkos went down as the final unbeaten. But the only picture of that is in my head, which is hard to link to, plus you got the "the older a man is, the faster he ran as a boy" factor, so...

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:37 pm

I only say this because the announcers and pundits play it up like the whole team gets together for some kind of bash every time the last unbeaten goes down. I was listening to some morning scrub here in Rochester on my way in say "And now they'll trot out all the old Dolphins. Griese, Kuchenberg, Buoniconti, Jake Scott..."

Jake Scott???

Does this douchebag even know the first thing about Jake Scott? Obviously not. Since if he did, he would know that he's damn near as far away from the media spotlight as a person can possibly be.

He knows what everyone does: Jake Scott doesn't do interviews, rarely surfaces in public, divorced himself from the Dolphins, declined a College Football Hall of Fame bid, didn't join most other Super Bowl MVPs again last year in Detroit and has pulled such a Howard Hughes that a sports memorabilia dealer, showing the kind of focus that sends others in search of Sasquatch, once hired a private investigator to contact him. It took two years.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/foot ... 0478.story

So then I start to think that maybe, just maybe, the media is what is creating the hype about the 72 Dolphins breaking out the champagne and celebrating the failure of all those who try and fail to match them. Maybe, just maybe, if you didn't have hundreds of reporters searching out 60 something year old former jocks from another era, that said 60 something year old jocks wouldn't have much to say on the subject.

Or maybe it's just me.

DamnTheCowboys · Post by **DamnTheCowboys** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:00 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
I do have a vague memory of Bob Griese being pictured celebrating after the Brian Griese-led Donkos went down as the final unbeaten. But the only picture of that is in my head, which is hard to link to, plus you got the "the older a man is, the faster he ran as a boy" factor, so...

It was the Elway-led Donkeys.

I vividly remember when the Broncos were 13-0 in 1998 and lost to the Giants in New Jersey. The '72s were in a press box that night clinking champagne glasses and they went into the celebration and they showed a soused Bounocotti gleefully saying "only undefeated team in NFL history...1972 Miami Dolphins!"

And, the Broncos lost the next week to Miami and finished 14-2.

Another thing about the 1972 Dolphins- in addition to their weak schedule, they also had an average offense and many people don't remember that they were actually UNDERDOGS in the Super Bowl.

Headhunter · Post by **Headhunter** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:04 pm

BSmack wrote:"And now they'll trot out all the old Dolphins. Griese, Kuchenberg, Buoniconti, Jake Scott..."

They'd do it for Randolph Scott!

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 · Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:15 pm

BSmack wrote:I was listening to some morning scrub here in Rochester on my way in say "And now they'll trot out all the old Dolphins. Griese, Kuchenberg, Buoniconti, Jake Scott..."

Jake Scott???

Does this douchebag even know the first thing about Jake Scott? Obviously not. Since if he did, he would know that he's damn near as far away from the media spotlight as a person can possibly be.

I think it’s safe to say that anyone who’s working and/or living in the greater Rochester, NY area has failed at life and probably doesn’t know shit. You know how often times animals will wander off to the woods to just die in peace???… I think Rochester is comparable to those same woods for the state of New York.

I am pretty sure there’s even a movie quote about it::::

Get busy living or move to Rochester.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:16 pm

Headhunter wrote:
BSmack wrote:"And now they'll trot out all the old Dolphins. Griese, Kuchenberg, Buoniconti, Jake Scott..."
They'd do it for Randolph Scott!

But not for Randolph Mantooth?

Felix · Post by **Felix** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:21 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:
Get busy living or move to Rochester.

:lol:

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:26 pm

ucantdoitdoggieSTyle2 wrote:You know how often times animals will wander off to the woods to just die in peace???… I think Rochester is comparable to those same woods for the state of New York.

Sadly, the winds around here prevail from the west. Which means the stench of failure emanating from Buffalo sometimes gets wrongly attributed to Rochester by those living to the east of us.

Just our cross to bear I guess.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:41 pm

BSmack wrote:So then I start to think that maybe, just maybe, the media is what is creating the hype about the 72 Dolphins breaking out the champagne and celebrating the failure of all those who try and fail to match them.

My good several-seconds of research gave me the impression that Griese and Bounocotti and some other member of that team are neighbors... which would make a little more watered-down version of the story believable.

DamnTheCowboys wrote:It was the Elway-led Donkeys.

Just from memory -- but I seem to remember Griese's Donks were also the Last Team Standing after that, and Bob made an ass out of himself over the deal... again, I could be mistaken.