(unofficial) Official Week 10: Top 16

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:06 am

1-LSU, I’d still take them on a neutral field against any other team
2-Oregon, but just barely over the Ducks who are a damn impressive team
3-Ohio St, their offense continues to come together and the D is stout
4-Oklahoma, still hard to believe they lost to Colorado
5-Kansas, 76 reasons to start thinking they’re legit (even though NEB D sucks)
6-Missouri, keep the Big 12 theme rolling and setting up some potential BCS fireworks the final weeks of the season
7-West Virginia
8-Georgia
9-Arizona St, still not sold on them but a road loss to Oregon won’t have them plummet in my rankings
10-Clemson
11-Auburn
12-USC
13-Boston College
14-Virginia Tech
15-Texas
16-Hawaii, again a fraud team but 0 losses will keep them here for me

Snake · Post by **Snake** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:30 pm

1. Ohio State
2. your team here
3. your team here
4. your team here
5. your team here

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:36 pm

Uh, hello?

sin,
Michigan

Teams in your poll that UM would beat.....

Kansas
ASU
Georgia
Clemson
Auburn
BC
GT
Texas
Hawaii

Probably a couple more but the AppSt. disaster looms over head. The Oregon loss looks better every week. But if USC gets mention after their historic loss, UM should at least crack the 16.

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:43 pm

I don't have Michigan in my top 16 for 3 reasons.

1- They have an L in the books to a D2 team and that resonates with me.
2- They followed that by getting destroyed by Oregon at home. All W's after were against less than stellar opponents.
3- I hate Michigan and if there is any viable way to not give them any props I take it.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 5:55 pm

I knew your reasons, they're well documented around here my friend. Just bustin your stones is all. My post is my opinion as yours belongs to you. Michigan deserves the bashing, but should they run through the last two games they deserve major props....just not from you.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:07 pm

1. OSU
2. LSU
3. OU
4. Oregon
5. WV
6. Mizzou
7. KU
8. BC
9. ASU
10. Georgia
11. USC
12 . Va Tech
13. Mich
14. UConn
15. Hawaii

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:40 pm

1 LSU

2 the rest of the SEC

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118 tOSU

sin,
Trix

campinfool · Post by **campinfool** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:54 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:Uh, hello?

sin,
Michigan

Teams in your poll that UM would beat.....

Texas

Probably a couple more but the AppSt. disaster looms over head. The Oregon loss looks better every week. But if USC gets mention after their historic loss, UM should at least crack the 16.

We all know how Michigan sucks at defending mobile quarterbacks. Texas and Colt would run roughshod over your Big 10 pansy asses.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:58 pm

peter dragon wrote:1 LSU

2 the rest of the SEC

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118 tOSU

sin,
Trix

Not saying that.

They haven'tplayed anybody so its a big question mark. Other teams have been tested.

Take the same record and schedule...I-AA team, Akron, Kent.....and put Boise or Utah on that resume instead....are they number one?

Anser me that one.....NO FUCKING WAY and you guys know it.

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:59 pm

T REX wrote: Anser me that one....

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:01 pm

peter dragon wrote:
T REX wrote: Anser me that one....

answer?

Spelling smack......what's next homo/mom smack....grow up dude...

peter dragon · Post by **peter dragon** » Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:05 pm

T REX wrote:
peter dragon wrote:
T REX wrote: Anser me that one....

answer?

Spelling smack......what's next homo/mom/pimp the conference because my team sucks smack....grow up dude...

ftfy

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:49 am

WolverineSteve wrote:Michigan deserves the bashing, but should they run through the last two games they deserve major props....just not from you.

If they run the table they'll go from unranked in my poll to somewhere in the 7-10 range depending on what other schools do. And they'll be playing in a BCS bowl game so I doubt anyone associated with UM gives a fuck about what I think, not that anyone does now of course!!

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:48 pm

1 Ohio St
2 LSU
3 Oregon
4 Oklahoma
5 Kansas
6 WVU
7 Missouri
8 Arizona St
9 Georgia
10 Boston College
11 Va Tech
12 USC
13 Texas
14 Michigan
15 Hawaii

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:04 pm

1. Ohio State
2. Oklahoma
3. Oregon
4. Kansas
5. LSU
6. Mizzou
7. Arizona State
8. West Virginia
9. Michigan
10. U. Conn
11. Boston College
12. Virginia Tech.
13. Boise State
14. Georgia
15. Hawaii
16. Texas

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:57 pm

I'll ask this of Mgo, Danimal and SunCoast since nobody seems to want to answer this question.

On what basis do you have Ohio State first but Kanas below 1 loss teams??

IMO, the only claim tO$U has to #1 is their undefeated status and therefore Kansas MUST be ranked #2 because they too have that claim. It is incorrect reasoning to use one set of criteria to rank one team and a different set for another, so I'm very interested to see the thought process behind tO$U 1, KU 4/5/7.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:17 pm

In Kansas' defense...

At least the conference schedule has made it so they finally surpassed the last of the D1AA teams that had exceeded Kansas' SoS this past weekend, so they've got that going for them.

Matter of fact, their schedule got so much tougher that they're now ahead of Hawaii in SoS... just barely.(Hawaii is dead last in D1.)

'Nuff said about Kansas? If you wanna compete for a Championship, then act like it when it comes time to schedule games.

Better luck in the next few years.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:24 pm

Dinsdale wrote:In Kansas' defense...

At least the conference schedule has made it so they finally surpassed the last of the D1AA teams that had exceeded Kansas' SoS this past weekend, so they've got that going for them.

Matter of fact, their schedule got so much tougher that they're now ahead of Hawaii in SoS... just barely.(Hawaii is dead last in D1.)

'Nuff said about Kansas? If you wanna compete for a Championship, then act like it when it comes time to schedule games.

Better luck in the next few years.

Great....explain Kent, Akron, and I-AA Youngstown St then?

Thanks.....

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:27 pm

T REX wrote: Great....explain Kent, Akron, and I-AA Youngstown St then?

Thanks.....

Probably the same way you would have tried to explain Southern Mississippi, Central Florida, and 1-AA Western Carolina last year.

You're welcome

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:33 pm

That's f-in funny.....Southern Miss and UCF both went to bowl games.

UF's SOS was at or near the top.....they played something like THREE OR FOUR TOP TEN schools.

UF's schedule last year is not something you want to bring up...unless you are stupid.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:36 pm

T REX wrote:That's f-in funny.....Southern Miss and UCF both went to bowl games.

UF's SOS was at or near the top.....they played something like THREE OR FOUR TOP TEN schools.

UF's schedule last year is not something you want to bring up...unless you are stupid.

But they played a 1-AA team, so they shouldn't have been eligible for the BCS championship game, right?

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:54 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Someone please explain to me why Georgia is getting so much love in the polls and in here?

Because they are from the SEC.

Next

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:00 pm

Shine wrote:I'll ask this of Mgo, Danimal and SunCoast since nobody seems to want to answer this question.

On what basis do you have Ohio State first but Kanas below 1 loss teams??

I think the most accurate and appropriate method of ranking teams is to not only include on-field results, but to factor in who you think is actually the best based on games you've seen, and based on teams with obvious levels of talent, experience, and coaching.

So when I factor in all these things, I put four teams ahead of KU. I think these four teams have a better overall resume, but more importantly, I think all four of these teams - OSU, LSU, Oregon, and OU - would beat KU head to head.

That may seem an unfair piece of criteria, but that's tough shit. At some point, you gotta interject some feeling into your rankings, and not just number-crunching and cold, hard logic.

KU is having a nice little season but I haven't seen anything from KU up to this point that suggests they can beat a powerhouse like LSU, OSU, etc. Would I be shocked to see it happen? No. But I'm also not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt over teams mentioned above. I gotta see em pull off something big first. I know the teams ahead of them are already capable of it.

In short, based on what I've seen, I'm simply not willing to call KU one of the two best teams in the country. And if you're doing this as reasonably and objectively as possible, I don't see how anyone else could either.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:03 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Someone please explain to me why Georgia is getting so much love in the polls and in here?

You gotta look at both sides. A lot of times it's not a reflection of "getting love" so much as it is a reflection of how unappealing the alternative choices are.

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:10 pm

Thanks for the explanation. Two things you mention that caught my attention.

but more importantly, I think all four of these teams - OSU, LSU, Oregon, and OU - would beat KU head to head.

Which is exactly why I don't have tO$U ranked 1st, I'd pick the teams I have ahead of them to beat them head to head.

But I'm also not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt over teams mentioned above. I gotta see em pull off something big first. I know the teams ahead of them are already capable of it.

How exactly do you know THIS YEAR that tO$U is capable of pulling off something big?? No question they have great tradition but the team they have THIS YEAR hasn't done anything even resembling "big".

I agree that by using reason and objectivity Ohio State isn't the best team in the country.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:23 pm

FWIW(little), Lee Corso was on local radio last week, and he said that A) He watches a lot of college football, and B) that based on what he's seen with his own two eyes, he claims Oregon and Oklahoma are by far the two best teams he's seen...

FWIW.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:36 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
I put four teams ahead of KU. I think these four teams have a better overall resume, but more importantly, I think all four of these teams - OSU, LSU, Oregon, and OU - would beat KU head to head.

Fair enough, but we may never know if that's true or not. But in 19 days, may I be so bold as to suggest that KU will get beat by Mizzou, and then we'll know.

Now then, if the unthinkable happens (~shudder~) and somehow KU does beat MU and then goes on to beat OU in the Big XII championship game, I think they'll have a compelling arguement for playing for the MNC. I also believe that they'll leapfrog those teams in front of them in the current BCS rankings, and that hell will have frozen over.

Killian · Post by **Killian** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:38 pm

War Wagon wrote:
MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:
I put four teams ahead of KU. I think these four teams have a better overall resume, but more importantly, I think all four of these teams - OSU, LSU, Oregon, and OU - would beat KU head to head.
Fair enough, but we may never know if that's true or not. But in 19 days, may I be so bold as to suggest that KU will get beat by Mizzou, and then we'll know.

Now then, if the unthinkable happens (~shudder~) and somehow KU does beat MU and then goes on to beat OU in the Big XII championship game, I think they'll have a compelling arguement for playing for the MNC. I also believe that they'll leapfrog those teams in front of them in the current BCS rankings, and that hell will have frozen over.

If this situation plays it self out, then KU has every right to be in the MNC game.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:38 pm

War Wagon wrote:I also believe that they'll leapfrog those teams in front of them in the current BCS rankings, and hell will have frozen over.

Sorry, but playing a JV schedule isn't going to impress the pollsters.

Hawaii is undefeated with similar SoS to KU. They ain't getting into the Championship Game either.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:41 pm

Dinsdale wrote:
War Wagon wrote:I also believe that they'll leapfrog those teams in front of them in the current BCS rankings, and hell will have frozen over.

Sorry, but playing a JV schedule isn't going to impress the pollsters.

Hawaii is undefeated with similar SoS to KU. They ain't getting into the Championship Game either.

They're both shitty SoSs, but 106 is NOT similar to 160.

Shine · Post by **Shine** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:51 pm

I'm by no means a BCS expert but my inclination is that W's over Mizzou and Okie to finish up the year would be enough to jump their numbers into the 2 slot. Mayhap a BCS junkie can confirm/refute that.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:36 pm

Shine wrote:
But I'm also not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt over teams mentioned above. I gotta see em pull off something big first. I know the teams ahead of them are already capable of it.
How exactly do you know THIS YEAR that tO$U is capable of pulling off something big?? No question they have great tradition but the team they have THIS YEAR hasn't done anything even resembling "big".

Bad wording on my part. You're right, I don't "know" that OSU would beat a major player - I merely think they'd have a better shot than KU. And like I said, I do factor in a little bit of forecasting into my rankings, whether fair or not. Teams like OSU have won the battle of the "benefit of the doubt" over programs like KU because of their gawdy tradition of winning. Tressell's staff and current-era program have earned themselves the benefit of the doubt over once-in-a-quarter-century "programs" like KU football, that have been fortunate enough to string together a few wins. Sorry Jhawks, that's just life in the big city. If Mangino can string off a few more seasons like this one, he'll start to earn that very same treatment the bigdogs get. 'Course, if KU had eye-popping wins and OSU didn't have any, then that'd be enough to put the JHawks up there. But all things being relatively equal??? I'll take Sweater Vest's guys...some of whom have played in a MNC game.

Hey, like I said this is just based on what's happened up to this point. KU has got some big games coming up, and if they win, I might have to re-think some things. We'll see.

Vito Corleone · Post by **Vito Corleone** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:03 pm

Texas could very well be the most underwhelming 2 loss team in the history of college football.

We will probably squeak by our last two opponents and likely face a ACC team in the Gator bowl.

talk about a weird season.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:37 pm

Jsc810 wrote:LSU 5th?

Yep, sorry got beat by a Kentucky team that has folded and they have struggled for a month now. Based on the SEC's record against noncon BCS schools I don't think struggling and barely pulling out choke job games, even in the SEC, is overly impressive. Sorry if I don't buy the SEC hype.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:38 pm

Shine wrote:I'll ask this of Mgo, Danimal and SunCoast since nobody seems to want to answer this question.

On what basis do you have Ohio State first but Kanas below 1 loss teams??

IMO, the only claim tO$U has to #1 is their undefeated status and therefore Kansas MUST be ranked #2 because they too have that claim. It is incorrect reasoning to use one set of criteria to rank one team and a different set for another, so I'm very interested to see the thought process behind tO$U 1, KU 4/5/7.

I won't lie... name recognition.

And I wasn't ignoring the board. I had some serious issues with both of my vehicles in the same 24 hour period so I didn't make it into the office much this week and I had left my lap top there as well so not internet junkie stuff at the house.

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:41 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:Someone please explain to me why Georgia is getting so much love in the polls and in here?

I am kind of wondering that myself...

SunCoastSooner · Post by **SunCoastSooner** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:43 pm

Dinsdale wrote:FWIW(little), Lee Corso was on local radio last week, and he said that A) He watches a lot of college football, and B) that based on what he's seen with his own two eyes, he claims Oregon and Oklahoma are by far the two best teams he's seen...

FWIW.

I would agree with that. But I am also biased towards one of those teams.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 2:46 pm

Polls are biased toward the Pac 10

Sin,

T Rex

I also am wondering about Georgia...this is the same team that lost to South FREAKING Carolina at home and got taken to the brink by Troy...

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:43 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:Polls are biased toward the Pac 10

Sin,

T Rex

I also am wondering about Georgia...this is the same team that lost to South FREAKING Carolina at home and got taken to the brink by Troy...

Wow.....same posts in two forums....I never ever used the word "pro"...stop misquoting me or just stfu....I said "favor"...meaning the sag usually has many pac 10 teams near the top. He actually has the SEC rated teh best conference. Not sure what your point is....but it sucks regardless if you can't even quote me properly. Continue on, O bitter one....

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:47 pm

biased, favor, pro...aren't we just arguing over semantics?

That is what I couldn't figure out...SEC is rated #1 but yet you come with that take...

bitter? Me? nope...buckeyes are #1...playing some pretty good football and so we lost in the MNC game earlier this year...great...this year was supposed to be a sort of rebuilding year...but we lost 5 defensive starters and got better on defense, and lost a ton of offensive players and I would argue our offense is rounding into better form then last years...what is there to be bitter about...keep bashing away...again that's cool...if tOSU gets to the MNC game and wins...great if they don't so be it...I am not on the field so what could I possibly do...

enjoy the Chic Fil A Bowl...