An Arguement for the XII

[Truman]

Per East Coast Bias, apparently Oklahoma screwed the pooch.

…Why else would the XII representative be part of ABC/ESPN's "outside looking in" discussion?

Let's review:

*Wa-a-a-a-ay over-rated Big 11 representative Ohio State loses to a 7-3 Illinois team at the Horseshoe. The same Illinois team, might I add, that lost to Mizzou in Week One. If O-State (fuck tOSU) is somehow ranked higher than 6th this next week, then the Fix is definitely in….

*LSU reportedly sports the best athletes in the country this side of New England, but still managed to lose a game against a three-loss perennial basketball power…

*Dennis Dixon and his Clucks are the PAC's darlings, yet they somehow managed to yak up a game AT HOME against a three-loss (to date) Kal team…

Which leaves the XII.

Yes, OU suffered a horrendous loss against Colorado. Somewhat understandable, if unforgivable, given the circumstances. The Sooners had the game in-hand after three quarters, with hated rival Tejas looming the next week. Trouble is, somebody forgot to tell Colorado that they were supposed to run for the tall grass come the 4th quarter. OU gagged up the ball, CU won the game, and now we have pretenders and wannabees claiming the right to play for all the marbles.

That said, the winner of The XII should still Represent in New Orleans.

1) KU runs the table. A no brainer, and clearly the terrorists have won. That said, the Chickenhawks will have knocked off two Top 5 teams in the final two weeks of the season to work themselves into the discussion… AND managed to go undefeated for the entire season.

2) Mizzou runs the table. Not only will they have knocked off the nation's last unbeaten team AND the the Top 5 team that handed them their only loss to work themselves into the discussion, they will have knocked off two of the Nation's top four teams in the final two weeks.

3) OU knocks off the BCS #2 or #3 (KU or Mizzou) in the XII Championship Game. Leaving the Pac or Big 11…

…on the outside looking in.

War Big 8 Football

[OUMO]

War Big 8 Football

I will RACK that.

[campinfool]

You can't forget a mediocre Texas team has been quietly putting together some wins and are the verge of another 10 win season and a possible at-large BCS bid. Pretty amazing year to have 3 teams highly ranked in the BCS and it doesn't even include some of the "traditional" football powers.

[RadioFan]

Wow, Truman goes yard.

Rack it.

There's still a lot of strange things that could happen, but if LSU, Oregon and a Big XII team all win out from here, all three would have a damn legitimate claim to play in the title game. It's a worst-case scenario that BCS honk is dreading.

[Truman]

Whatever, 'fool.

You can put socks on a goose, and it's still a goose.

...did I mention that I seriously hate everybody south of the Red?

Pity your Cows dodged everyone good in the North this year.

Now get the fuck outta our League. TIA.

[Cornhusker]

Whatever, 'fool.

You can put socks on a goose, and it's still a goose.

...did I mention that I seriously hate everybody south of the Red?

Pity your Cows dodged everyone good in the North this year.

Now get the fuck outta our League. TIA.

Bwahhaa...I can dig it.

[Truman]

Dead-nut fuckin' serious here.

OU knocks off the North Champion... Show Me another team worthy to play for the MCS.

LSU for knocking off an - at best - 10-2 Georgia team?

The Quacks for TCB in the Most Over-Rated Conference in America? (Rank 3 Top 5 BCS Teams out of your conference in the argument CluckFan, or die in a fire)

The XII plays for the Crystal...

[Mook]

…1) KU runs the table. A no brainer, and clearly the terrorists have won.

Quite possible the line of the year!

[RadioFan]

Bwahhaa...I can dig it.

Rack the av.

[RadioFan]

LSU for knocking off an - at best - 10-2 Georgia team?

If Tenn (a 3-loss team) wins out, they would play in the SEC championship game against LSU. That would be bad news for LSU because it wouldn't be as strong of an opponent as a 2-loss Georgia team. (Assuming LSU wins the SEC Championship game.)

As weird as it may seem, as things look right now -- and assuming LSU wins out -- their SEC Championship game opponent could end up making a big difference, certainly in the computer rankings anyway.

LSU Fan should be pulling hard for Ga. to win out and Kentucky to beat UT.

Go Vols!

[MiketheangrydrunkenCUfan]

You can't forget a mediocre Texas team has been quietly putting together some wins and are the verge of another 10 win season and a possible at-large BCS bid. Pretty amazing year to have 3 teams highly ranked in the BCS and it doesn't even include some of the "traditional" football powers.

No fucking way does Texas get an at large bid. If the Big XII sends 2 teams to the BCS, they'll come from the three teams Truman mentioned. You'll take the Holiday Bowl and you'll like it...

[Terry in Crapchester]

You can't forget a mediocre Texas team has been quietly putting together some wins and are the verge of another 10 win season and a possible at-large BCS bid. Pretty amazing year to have 3 teams highly ranked in the BCS and it doesn't even include some of the "traditional" football powers.

No fucking way does Texas get an at large bid. If the Big XII sends 2 teams to the BCS, they'll come from the three teams Truman mentioned. You'll take the Holiday Bowl and you'll like it...

Gator or Cotton is a possibility for Texas, particularly if (as is looking more likely) the Gator takes a Big XII team rather than the #2 Big East team. But I agree that Texas has virtually no shot at a BCS at-large bid, unless the wheels fall off for both Mizzou and Kansas.

[RadioFan]

But I agree that Texas has virtually no shot at a BCS at-large bid, unless the wheels fall off for both Mizzou and Kansas.

Don't tell Herbstreit.

[campinfool]

Yes I doubt they will get at BCS spot. But considering this is the worst Texas team in years with no offensive identity, no pass rush, terrible LB play, and a secondary that can't cover, they still have a glimmer of hope with one week left. No one, even Texas fans, thought this would be remotely possible after seeing them struggle against CFU, ASU, and get reamed by KSU. I figured "hello Shreveport" or Alamo Bowl at best. So when there is still a shot at the BCS, Cotton, Gator, or Holday, yes it does bring some excitement. Because this is not a good team, yet it is still faring better than a crap load ofother teams.

[Dinsdale]

Dennis Dixon and his Clucks are the PAC's darlings, yet they somehow managed to yak up a game AT HOME against a three-loss (to date) Kal team…

Holy fucking homer tards, Batman!!!


Uhm... Oregon lost to the #6 team in the country.

2) Mizzou runs the table. Not only will they have knocked off the nation's last unbeaten team AND the the Top 5 team that handed them their only loss to work themselves into the discussion, they will have knocked off two of the Nation's top four teams in the final two weeks.

If Mizoou beats KU and OU, guess what? Those two teams will likely not be in the top 10 anymore.


But leave it to over-the-top homer to use a completely different set of rules to judge his own conference than he uses to judge the others... priceless.



Hmmm..... yeah, looks like the B12 is tearing it up, alright.

You know... as long as you don't use statistics or any sort of comparative analysis.

[War Wagon]

Uhm... Oregon lost to the #6 team in the country.

If Mizoou beats KU and OU, guess what? Those two teams will likely not be in the top 10 anymore.

Woah, talk out of both sides of your mouth much Dins?

So losing to the then #6 team who is about to drop out of the Top 25 = No Big Deal.

meanwhile

Beating 2 currently Top 5 rated teams who then might drop out of the Top 10 = Pitiful.

Right, gotcha'.

Did you just try to call someone else a shameless homer? Is that what happened here?

Oh, and while I'm at it... before you start beating your chest again about your Quacks powerhouse OOC schedule while berating someone else's, did you see that Tulsa beat Houston 56-7 yesterday? Sure you did. Yep, that same Houston team that scored 27 points against the Ducks on the very same day that Mizzou was beating Illinois.

And oh yeah, that same Tulsa team that OU took behind the woodshed and pounded the fuck out of this year also.

[Dinsdale]

Uhm... Oregon lost to the #6 team in the country.

If Mizoou beats KU and OU, guess what? Those two teams will likely not be in the top 10 anymore.

Woah, talk out of both sides of your mouth much Dins?

So losing to the then #6 team who is about to drop out of the Top 25 = No Big Deal.

meanwhile

Beating 2 currently Top 5 rated teams who then might drop out of the Top 10 = Pitiful.

Right, gotcha'.

OK, time to type slowly, for the reeeeeealllllly slow people...


Uhm, Whitey... I was calling out Truman for talking out of both sides of his mouth.


Maybe you should read the exchange again?

He denounced Oregon for losing to the team that was #6 AT THE TIME. Yet, he claims KU or Mizzou should get love for beating "tyop ten" teams that aren't going to be in the top ten if those teams beat them.

I wasn't the one using that unbelievably flawed methodology -- Truman was. He's using two opposite sets of criteria applied differently to two different conferences.


Th point was, if you're going to use the ranking of the opponent at the time they beat you, you should probably do it for every team you're debating, rather than using one set of standards for the teams you're debating against, and a completely different, MUCH more favorable set of criteria for the team you're arguing for.


Get it yet?

[Shoalzie]

Come on Dins, are you still going to hitch your wagon onto the Cal was #6 (now 6-4 and unranked) when they beat Oregon argument? When Cal played Oregon, they had the win over Tennessee to hang their hat on but also had great wins over La Tech, Arizona and Colorado State. Look at them now, lost 4 of their next 5 games. The formulas look at the loss against Cal and see Oregon has loss against a team that is 6-4...not as a team that was 4-0 (at the time). It's no different than hoping for Michigan to beat Ohio State improve the stock of the early season win in Ann Arbor although Michigan was coming off the loss against App State.

[Mook]

Sounds to me like Oregon fan is starting to stress a bit.

[SoCalTrjn]

looking at the Manginos schedule it is impossible to give them any credit... whent he fuck did Kansas join the SEC?

[The Seer]

Which leaves the XII.

Yes, OU suffered a horrendous loss against Colorado. Somewhat understandable, given the circumstances.

That said, the winner of The XII should still Represent in New Orleans.

edit - "My conference is better than your conference" - "and here are my one sided "facts" to prove it."

[King Crimson]

and when did Paul Rogers starts singing for Bad Company instead of Free.

i can't deny, til' the day i die.

whoa!, killer Queen.


she's a killer. dynamite with a laser beam....got to love Brian May.

[M Club]

I probably shouldn't use sarcasm, eh?

[Qbert]

and when did Paul Rogers starts singing for Bad Company instead of Free.

i can't deny, til' the day i die.

whoa!, killer Queen.


she's a killer. dynamite with a laser beam....got to love Brian May.

sorry, this is better....

Hey King Crimson.....How's the TRAFFIC??????

Gee, its just not the Same since Stevie Winwood LEFT.

btw--->Give me Silver, Blue and Gold.....the colors of the sky i'm told....my rainbow is overdue.

[Danimal]

KU definitely doesn't deserve it if the decision was made today. But if they get by OU and Mizzou(I doubt it happens but possible), then you gotta sneak them up to the top2 I'd say.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Oregon...3-5 losses in the SEC? Outside of LSU, who would beat Oregon?

Fuckin' please. Nobody is nearly as impressed with the SEC as you homering dorks are.

[Dinsdale]

Fuckin' please. Nobody is nearly as impressed with the SEC as you homering dorks are.

LSU is a 3-loss team in the PAC10.


Because I said so. And I'm not from the South, so obviously a "beacause I said so" from someone with two clearly distinct strands of DNA holds more weight than a "because I said so" from an inbred SEC Fan.


So, I guess that settles it -- LSU would have 3 losses in the PAC10. Beyond debate.

[Dinsdale]

Oh, puh-leez.


See, out here in PAC10 Country, we play offense.

We don't run it up the gut three times and punt, while congratulating our opponent for playing "damn-fine PAC10 Defense!!!"


Oregon would score 40 against every team in the SEC, without breaking a sweat. And the defenses would get to rest while you ran that awesome "3 up the gut then punt" offense.


Of course, if SEC teams actually played somebody, we could settle this on the field rather than the internet. But until that day comes, you'll just have to settle for "because I said so."


But feel free to give us a call when you grow a pair.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

Arkansas, Tennessee...they can't even beat those dreadful Big Ten teams in bowl games...how would they manage Oregon?

[Dinsdale]

Arkansas, Tennessee...they can't even beat those dreadful Big Ten teams in bowl games...how would they manage Oregon?

Bite your fucking tongue.

By now, YOU of all people should know that SEC teams losing OOC/bowl games to major conference opponents don't count, because...


Well, just because.

[L45B]

LSU is a 3-loss team in the PAC10.

Get real. How could LSU logically play in the Pac-10? There isn't even one airplane that flies from Baton Rouge to the west coast.

[MgoBlue-LightSpecial]

That would be interesting. Dixon would make Perilloux look like Charlie Batch.

[Bizzarofelice]

fuck all this pontificating prognosticating and masturbating going on about the big 12.

gayhawks lose to tigers
tigers lose to sooners in title game
sooners lose to lsu in national championship
ducks beat some other team and their season is forgotten in the history books.

end of story.

[Terry in Crapchester]

Latest BCS standings

This is actually good for the Big XII. If (and that's a big if) everything plays according to form, the Big XII championship game appears to be a 3 vs. 4 matchup regardless of who wins the Missouri-Kansas game. If history is any guide, the winner would seem to be in pretty good shape to leapfrog into the championship game.

[indyfrisco]

fuck all this pontificating prognosticating and masturbating going on about the big 12.

cyclones lose to buffs
buffs lose to sooners in title game
sooners lose to lsu in national championship
tigers beat some other team and their season is forgotten in the history books.

end of story.

FTFY.

Sin,
2004

[JayDuck]

These conference arguments are always pointless, however...

Cal beat Tennessee by 20
Arizona State beat Colorado by 20

Lets stop trying to explain than Oklahoma's Colorado loss is justifiable, while downplaying the Pac-10's teams when Colorado played a Pac-10 team this year.

And lets stop trying to argue that Oregon would get run in the SEC when Tennessee's probably going to play in the SEC title game.

Honestly, it doesn't matter. All the arguing is pointless. This is what will happen and none of it is going to change.

If LSU loses a game, Oregon will play a Big-12 team in the BCS title game.
If LSU wins out, and Kansas loses, Oregon will play LSU in the BCS title game.
If LSU wins out, and Kansas wins out, LSU will play Kansas in the BCS title game.

Arguing merit for anything at this point is the biggest waste of your time. Nothing is going to change these things.

It could get "close", but Missouri or Oklahoma aren't going to pass Oregon, in part because of that Colorado game making it nearly impossible for Oklahoma to pass Arizona State, let alone Oregon, in the computers, and because enough voters will stick to the addage of not moving a team down after a win.

Kansas is the only team that can keep Oregon out of the title game, outside of an Oregon loss.

I'm not going to argue about the "merit" of it, though, because it really doesn't matter.

[War Wagon]

Some valid points Jay, and it may turn out like you prognosticate, BUT (and you knew there was a "but" coming).

Honestly, it doesn't matter. All the arguing is pointless. This is what will happen and none of it is going to change.

whew... glad to know that's it's settled then, since YOU say so. Save me a bunch of time in here, it will. Everyone, including every media whore pundit in the country, should just STFU now.

Jay's got it all figgered out. How could ANYONE not see this?

It could get "close", but Missouri or Oklahoma aren't going to pass Oregon, in part because of that Colorado game making it nearly impossible for Oklahoma to pass Arizona State, let alone Oregon, in the computers, and because enough voters will stick to the addage of not moving a team down after a win.

psst, hey buddy... Oklahoma and Mizzou are already ahead of ASU. And if you don't believe that it's highly likely that either could leapfrog Oregon and/or LSU by winning out and beating not one but TWO teams currently in the TOP 5...

...then I want some of that awesome hippy lettuce your smoking, because that's some good trip you're on.

[JayDuck]

psst, hey buddy... Oklahoma and Mizzou are already ahead of ASU.

Computer Average
ASU .870
Mizz .830
Ok .730

[War Wagon]

Computer average... ahh, I see. You're channeling Dins now.

But let's try these, since they carry more weight.

BCS rankings
4. Oklahoma
5. Missouri
8. Arizona State

[War Wagon]

So? Like I'm going to parse words and focus on an insignificant qualifier like that boilerplate language. Probably not.

Hey, I like to argue. Isn't that what we do here?