BCS Discussion

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:04 pm

I know I started another topic but now this becomes even more of a cluster fuck...

OSU is sitting at 5...they need help in a big way either of 2 things have to happen

LSU loss
the Big 12 sorting itself out with a combo of MU/KU win this weekend and a loss to OU in the Big 12 title game
WVU losing...

although ASU losing to USC would help as well...

honestly off all the 1 loss teams how can you say 1 is definitely better than the other...I mean OSU lost to ILL who is 9-3 and #17 in the country...not a horrible loss but a loss nonetheless...

discuss your thoughts and teams chances...

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:17 pm

WVU is in the best position right now. They have both UConn and Pitt at home, so they should take care of business.

Kansas or Missouri will fall behind them this weekend and then if Oklahoma/Texas wins the Big 12 the other would drop behind them.

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:57 pm

It's a head scrather this year even to pick 1 deserving team. In the past there has generally been a clear cut #1 and the scramble was for #2. This year, which IMO has been an outstanding year in terms of intrest, it could be argued that a handful of teams are deserving yet no one appears to be worthy.
FWIW, it also appears that teams are not falling so far in the polls this year after a loss. Or is it every one losing makes it easier to climb back up .

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:59 pm

good point Nolsey I think many of the teams losing have most of the impact...

just too bad Cal couldn't play UF for the MNC can you imagine T Rex v M2OOOL...

M Club · Post by **M Club** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:25 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote: just too bad Cal couldn't play UF for the MNC can you imagine T Rex v M2OOOL...

we have to find new jokes. then again, i have to find an osu shirt.

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:34 pm

The Bode Chime bowl.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:36 pm

As I understand it, most of us have a problem of some sort or another with the BCS, albeit those problems may differ. From that starting point, my understanding always has been that once your team is out of it, you root for chaos.

From that point of view, this has been a great year for those of us rooting for chaos. And in that respect, the losses last week by Oregon and Oklahoma, though painful for fans of those teams, were good for those rooting for chaos. Even at this relatively late point in the season, there are probably six teams with at least an arguable shot at the national championship (although that number will be pared by at least one after this week), with few if any of them having a significantly better argument than the others. That's chaos -- maybe not quite perfect chaos, but it's definitely a good start.

Hopefully this season will be the impetus toward a playoff, although I'm not holding my breath.

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:43 pm

The way this season has gone it has strengthened the argument of those who claim there is no need for a play off system because currently every week is a play off game.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:49 pm

Nolesy wrote:The way this season has gone it has strengthened the argument of those who claim there is no need for a play off system because currently every week is a play off game.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree.

You could (not necessarily will, but could) finish the season with as many as five teams who have roughly similar arguments for being included in the national championship. But only two can play. That's the kind of situation that just screams out for a playoff.

Nolesy · Post by **Nolesy** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:59 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I fully agree. However, this season does provide another" bullet point" for the anti play off camp.

My own feelings are that this season more than ever cries out play off.

Nixhex · Post by **Nixhex** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:21 pm

If Missouri or Kansas win out what do you guys think of their chances to be in the Championship game?

Mr T · Post by **Mr T** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:23 pm

You seriously asking this?

Do you watch CFB?

If kansas or mizzou win out, they will be in the championship game.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:37 pm

if you have 4 1 loss teams, i have a problem with teams who lost at home playing for a title.

at the least you should take care of buisness in your crib. It aint a shot at any specific team, but that should be bare bones minimum for national title talk.

teams who have a right to title game as of today:

MU
KU
LSU
WVU
ASU

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:28 pm

^^^^^^^^^

What about teams in the past that haven't won their CCG???

Thanks for playing...we all know your shot is at OSU...never mind said team is now ranked 17th and took your boys to the wire...yeah you are trolling so I fell for it...

and let's see how many teams over the years have lost a game at home that played for a MNC? I mean 6 out of 9 years a team has 1 loss in the BCS championship game!

That is just about as dumb a statement as I have heard...

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:35 pm

edit

not arguing for shit. Mu still has a ton to do, as has KU, and ASU and WVU

but you cannot tell me that tOSU should be in title game over any of them today!

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:38 pm

if you remember, there was major uproar over team in title game who lost conference championship games@

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:50 pm

Adelpiero wrote:if you have 4 1 loss teams, i have a problem with teams who lost at home playing for a title.

at the least you should take care of buisness in your crib. It aint a shot at any specific team, but that should be bare bones minimum for national title talk.

That type of reasoning could cause you to re-think your position though. Let's say Team A loses to a top 10 team at home. And let's say Team B loses to a sub .500 team on the road. Are you really going to claim Team B's loss was "less damaging" ... simply because it was played on the road? Losing at home to a Va Tech is worse, than say, losing on the road to a Minnesota?

That's silly.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:01 am

yeah, not exactly what i meant to post. its not really the tosu fans here, but heard them on radio and on boards stating they should be there if KU loses. somehow they believe losing to Nois at home is better than losing @ OU, @ Oergon etc.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:03 am

Oh.

I thought by this

i have a problem with teams who lost at home playing for a title.

at the least you should take care of buisness in your crib. It aint a shot at any specific team, but that should be bare bones minimum for national title talk.

You were making an across-the-board statement that teams who lose at home shouldn't be playing for the title.

Adelpiero · Post by **Adelpiero** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:05 am

not what i meant, poorly executed

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:06 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^

We know poor execution

Sin,

tOSU v ILL

Al...I know where you are coming from partly...but at the same time don't just discount ILL...I mean yeah they lost to MIZZOU, but that was a tight game in the first game of the year...I mean this is why the system sucks...how can you possibly try and slice up the 1 loss teams...if it stays the way it is and KU and LSU get to play for the Cheese, then you have to tell WVU (potentially), OSU, and ASU (potentially) that your 1 loss kept you out or whatever line of reasoning...yeah LSU plays in the VAUNTED SEC...but their loss to TUCKY seems a bit worse right now...

fucked up system...paging playoff troll...

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:13 am

Jsc810 wrote:It is premature for LSU to be thinking national championship game. There is only one game that matters right now for LSU, and that game is this Saturday against Arkansas.

Ding ding ding ding ding ding, we have a winner right here folks.

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:30 am

Sudden Sam wrote:Lookin' like Georgia vs. Ohio State, folks.

Says who?

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 2:36 am

buckeye_in_sc wrote: ...but at the same time don't just discount ILL...I mean yeah they lost to MIZZOU, but that was a tight game in the first game of the year...

I'm not discounting Illinois in the least, that's one tough football team as evidenced by them knocking off tOSU in the 'shoe... but did you actually watch that ILL - MU game?

It appears that you didn't, because other than the final score, that game wasn't "tight" in the least. Mizzou held a 37-13 lead midway thru the 3rd qtr. Only Gary Pinkel being Gary Pinkel and trying to sit on a big lead and just run the clock out made that final score respectable.

Mizzoufan was going crazy over letting them back in the game with a chance to win at the end. That was the game where he had another of his famous brain farts (business as usual for Pinkel) and went for 2 after a TD in the first fucking half and didn't make it. He later admitted that was a mistake and that he had "misread" his chart. Riiight, you stupid motherfucker. You've made lots of mistakes, haven't you?

Anyways, since that SNAFU, he seems to have turned into a different coach. He doesn't sit on leads anymore, and instead keeps doing the things that got him the lead in the first place.

Rack that arrogant asshole for finally "getting it". It's about damn time. Tigerfan had been about ready to lynch this fuckstick. Recruits all the talent in the world, and then seemed to have no idea how to properly lead that talent.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:10 am

I did watch some of the MIZZOU/ILL game...most of the first half and toward the end...so perhaps I did miss the good portions where MIZZOU let them back in...but isn't that a point as well...(as you have stated since Pinkel has kept his foot on the gas)...regardless of MIZZOU was up by a huge margin the final score was only 6 points and perhaps the only highlights some people will see is MIZZOU picking off ILL when ILL was driving for the winning score?

Again I got to see a deece portion of the game and I thought to myself damn that Chase Daniel is a fucking beast...

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:18 am

Im thinking its going to be West Virginia and Ohio state

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:11 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:Im thinking its going to be West Virginia and Ohio state

Naturally.

Then again, you are the board bitch. Post On!

How about chiming in on my USC thread? You fucking cunt.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:16 am

RadioFan wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:Im thinking its going to be West Virginia and Ohio state
Naturally.

Then again, you are the board bitch. Post On!

Thanks for adding to the discussion....why bother posting....you're a bitter cock from thread to thread....what's wrong, the welfare check less than normal. They cut your hours at the walmart. Your parents divorce was YOUR fault.

Fuck off. At least add to the discussion if you are going to be such an asshole.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:29 am

buckeye_in_sc wrote:...regardless of MIZZOU was up by a huge margin the final score was only 6 points and perhaps the only highlights some people will see is MIZZOU picking off ILL when ILL was driving for the winning score?

Well yes, much had been made of the fact that Mizzou needed a last minute INT to hold off a late charging Illinois team and "only" won by 6 meager points in a game in which they held a 24 point cushion...

To which my standard response now is - "I'll bet the Buckeyes wish they could've beaten Illinois by 6 points".

RadioFan · Post by **RadioFan** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:42 am

SoCalTrjn wrote:Im thinking its going to be West Virginia and Ohio state

How so?

No, really, break it down.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:17 am

RadioFan wrote:
T REX wrote:Fuck off. At least add to the discussion if you are going to be such an asshole.
Sigworthy.

Hey, look at it this way, Trix, you're No. 1, going into next season, you fucking whiny cunt.

You gonna get your big bad board gang and make me board bitch?

Sky · Post by **Sky** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:06 am

T REX wrote: You gonna get your big bad board gang and make me board bitch?

Yeah that's right, we are all secretly BFF and come up with a behind-the-scenes decision of who the board bitch is.

Or, maybe it could be we choose the most homerific, I don't have a leg to stand on, rival supporter because my team sucks, double talk, black kettle asshole in the place.

You decide.

Terry in Crapchester · Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:28 am

RadioFan wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:Im thinking its going to be West Virginia and Ohio state
How so?

No, really, break it down.

In fairness to Schmick, this scenario isn't so far-fetched, now that LSU has lost.

- West Virginia wins out.
- Kansas-Missouri winner loses to Oklahoma in the Big XII championship game.

What other matchup do you see, if that's the scenario that plays out?

I suppose you might try to make an argument for West Virginia - Oklahoma under that scenario. Only problem is, you'd be passing up a one-loss team (tOSU) for a two-loss team (Oklahoma) in the title game. And Season Over Troll notwithstanding, the real schism in playing for the national championship is between 1 loss and 2 losses, not between 0 losses and 1 loss. Or perhaps you could make a case for Kansas, if Kansas beats Missouri then loses to Oklahoma. At least you'd have a one-loss team in the championship game in that scenario. But Kansas has a really weak SOS, considerably weaker than tOSU even after including Missouri and Oklahoma. Under that scenario, they would've had two real tests all season, and come up short in one of them, even though they had absolute control over their own destiny. Not to mention that Kansas would fill the role of Nebraska circa 2001 in that scenario, in that they'd be in the championship game without having won their conference.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:13 am

Terry in Crapchester wrote:
RadioFan wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:Im thinking its going to be West Virginia and Ohio state
How so?

No, really, break it down.
In fairness to Schmick, this scenario isn't so far-fetched, now that LSU has lost.

- West Virginia wins out.
- Kansas-Missouri winner loses to Oklahoma in the Big XII championship game.

What other matchup do you see, if that's the scenario that plays out?

I suppose you might try to make an argument for West Virginia - Oklahoma under that scenario. Only problem is, you'd be passing up a one-loss team (tOSU) for a two-loss team (Oklahoma) in the title game. And Season Over Troll notwithstanding, the real schism in playing for the national championship is between 1 loss and 2 losses, not between 0 losses and 1 loss. Or perhaps you could make a case for Kansas, if Kansas beats Missouri then loses to Oklahoma. At least you'd have a one-loss team in the championship game in that scenario. But Kansas has a really weak SOS, considerably weaker than tOSU even after including Missouri and Oklahoma. Under that scenario, they would've had two real tests all season, and come up short in one of them, even though they had absolute control over their own destiny. Not to mention that Kansas would fill the role of Nebraska circa 2001 in that scenario, in that they'd be in the championship game without having won their conference.

You figured it pretty much the way I did. I feel that West Virginia will win out. I think Missouri will beat Kansas this weekend and then lose to Oklahoma in the Big 12 CCG but if Kansas beats Missouri and then kansas loses to Oklahoma in the Big 12 CCG I think Ohio state gets the nod since they will be conference champions and Kansas will not... seem to remember the BCS getting burned by sending a couple non conference champions from the Big 12 before and stating that a team must be conference champion to play for the national Championship.
If Oklahoma doesnt win the Big 12 CCG, then West Virginia will play who does, I just figured the sooners were better than the Tigers and Jayhawks

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:02 pm

WW - yeah you are correct...tOSU would have loved to have beaten ILL by 6...I was just making the point that MIZZOU according to the final score only beat ILL by 6...a ILL team not a lot of people gave much credit to early in the year...

but hey if it breaks right it could be MIZZOU v tOSU for the cheese and we shall see how that shakes out...

good luck tonight v the Jayhawks

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:50 pm

It would appear that getting in the barn early is helping the Big10 team this year.

OSU can't hurt themselves, and the upsets keep coming. I say OSU makes it back in.

Shoalzie · Post by **Shoalzie** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:03 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:WV loses to Connecticut. Missouri beats KU, then loses to Oklahoma. Georgia beats GaTech today (not a given), then pounds LSU in the SEC title game.

Look out boys...it's another Big Ten-SEC battle for all the marbles!

That's a loaded scenario but if all that happens, Ohio State-Georgia would be the matchup. Gotta have Tennessee lose to Kentucky also for Georgia to even get to play LSU next week.

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:39 pm

More likely scenario.....LSU wins the CCG and the SEC is shut out of the MNC game.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:39 pm

OSU would absolutely hammerfuck Georgia. Would be a fun game.

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:29 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote:OSU would absolutely hammerfuck Georgia. Would be a fun game.

Yeah...because OSu has beaten so many top ten teams this year?

We already know that OSU cannot handle the speed of the SEC(see BCS title game 2007 vs UF and osu's 82 total yards)

Unfortunately......we may never know as the SEC most likely will get shut out. There isn't a better conference and it shows week to week. Too bad LSU doesn't play in the Big Ten.....hell UF would ge undefeated in the Big Ten this year. What a shitty conference.

And a preemptive move before the first loser to post....."2-1 last year vs SEC"....blah, blah, blah....your best was destroyed by the SEC's best. End of story. I have a feeling that the SEC is going to manhandle the Big 11 this head-to-head....just going out on a limb.