BCS bullshit

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:34 pm

agree on the playoff...

but why does SEC Honk continually bash others schedules...I mean GA got hammerfucked by a cybilish Tenn squad...and of course got SHUT OUT by South Carolina...bwwwhaahaa...

but agree on the playoff though...

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:35 pm

I don't see a big problem with Mizzou and WVU playing for the title. Both teams are loaded with talent, and WVU has stepped it up on D.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:37 pm

well carry on then Sam...

T REX · Post by **T REX** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:47 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:agree on the playoff...

but why does SEC Honk continually bash others schedules...I mean GA got hammerfucked by a cybilish Tenn squad...and of course got SHUT OUT by South Carolina...bwwwhaahaa...

but agree on the playoff though...

Take those top three teams and look at their OOC schedules....where is the outrage....where is the constant bashing that SEC fan had to endure.

Just this board....hypocrisy all over.....the same people bashing SEC fan should be all over those teams non-stop...but no....why?

Great fucking question.....

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:05 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:I do agree that WV vs Missouri would be a fun game, but are they the two best teams in the country? I doubt it.

It seems on any given day, anybody in the top 5 (or so) could be considered "the best."

It's all pretty fucking equal, Sam.

Anybody who thinks, in this era, that there will (or should) be one or two teams clearly ahead of the pack are fooling themselves. There's just too much talent and good coaching out there. Yes, even in all those "inferior" conferences.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:07 pm

Rex...I have based tOSU's OOC schedule all this year...

but how is UGA anymore worthy than those teams though? Just using schedule strength is such a small piece of the overall puzzle...

again UGA got SHUTOUT by South Carolina and got shit hammered by a UT team that got shit hammered by Bama...

so we can continually play this game...we have what we have in terms of putting everything into the blender and we get what we get...

who is to say that OSU, USC, UGA, LSU, etc still aren't the best team? I mean WVU v Mizzou two teams that aren't necessarily relevant from a NATIONAL perspective playing for all the cheese...hey it can happen...

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:09 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
buckeye_in_sc wrote:agree on the playoff...

but why does SEC Honk continually bash others schedules...I mean GA got hammerfucked by a cybilish Tenn squad...and of course got SHUT OUT by South Carolina...bwwwhaahaa...

but agree on the playoff though...
Only because we get hammered so bad about our OOC games.

And it keeps the board edgy.

Then try scheduling some road OOC games vs quality opponents. Do you really expect to have the conference collectively play 330 of 384 OOC games over the last 10 years at home and not get called for it?
Has it ever occured to SEC fan that the reason so many of their schools have such good records year in and year out is because of the 4 GIMMES they lay OOC? go 2-6 in conf and have a .500 team.
I think the NCAA should only make teams with a winning conference record Bowl Eligibile.... at least that way we wont have to watch Notre Dame shit the bed in Bowl season ever again

And lets not forget this Georgia team has not scheduled a game outside of the South in 42 years, how absurd is that? How can you claim to be a National Power when you never leave your region to play anyone? Georgia is like a 23 year old learning disabled dolt still claiming to be king of the Monkey Bars on the Kindergarten playground

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:20 pm

T REX wrote:Take those top three teams and look at their OOC schedules....where is the outrage....where is the constant bashing that SEC fan had to endure.

Just this board....hypocrisy all over.....the same people bashing SEC fan should be all over those teams non-stop...but no....why?

Great fucking question.....

At least WVU played an SEC team (Mississippi State) and they rolled them pretty easily. Maryland is a rivalry game for them as well. The other three teams (Western Michigan, Marshall and ECU) aren't anything special.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:06 pm

From Brad Edward at espn.com:

Perhaps for the first time all season, the national championship race can be explained very simply.

If No. 1 Missouri (vs. Oklahoma) and No. 2 West Virginia (vs. Pittsburgh) both win on Saturday, they will play each other for the BCS title. If one of them loses, No. 3 Ohio State will slide into the national championship game. If Missouri and West Virginia both lose, a two-loss team will probably meet the Buckeyes in New Orleans for all the marbles.

It seems unlikely that West Virginia will lose at home against Pitt, but if it happens, choosing which two-loss team belongs in the national title game will be a difficult assignment for the voters.

No. 4 Georgia is the highest-ranked twice-beaten team in the standings this week, but that might change next week if it matters who's atop the two-loss heap. Because the Bulldogs didn't win their division of the SEC, it's doubtful voters would put them into a BCS championship slot, especially if another two-loss team (LSU) emerges as the conference champion.

Even though LSU is currently ranked behind Virginia Tech, the Tigers would likely move ahead of the Hokies (only if the No. 2 BCS spot is open) because of their 41-point win against them in September. If Tennessee wins the SEC, Tech might be able to sneak into the picture, assuming it wins the ACC title.

Oklahoma could also make a case after knocking off top-ranked Missouri. USC, however, seems to have way too far to climb with only a game against unranked UCLA left on the schedule.

Obviously, there's a one-loss team that hasn't yet been mentioned. Kansas sits at No. 5 in this week's BCS standings, but the Jayhawks are also a long shot, since they have neither a division title nor a win over any team currently ranked in the top 25.

My best guess: If Missouri and West Virginia both lose on Saturday, LSU backs into the title game with a win in the SEC championship.

The At-Large Spots

In the clubhouse at 10-2 without a conference title, Georgia seems to be a lock to finish either third or fourth in the BCS standings, which would assure the Bulldogs of receiving one of the four at-large bids to the BCS.

If Ohio State moves into the national title game, that will vacate the Big Ten champion's spot in the Rose Bowl, and with Illinois likely to become eligible (if either Tennessee or Boston College loses on Saturday) for an at-large spot, the Big Ten could unexpectedly get a second team into the BCS.

If Arizona State can beat Arizona this week and finish 10-2, the Sun Devils will certainly be an attractive option for the hometown Fiesta Bowl. Kansas should also receive strong consideration from the Fiesta.

And then there's Hawaii. The big win over Boise State vaulted the Warriors three spots into the coveted No. 12 position, which means they should earn an automatic bid to the BCS by closing the season with a win over Washington. The only scenario that could potentially push Hawaii back out of the top 12 would be for BC, Tennessee and Arizona State all to win this weekend.

Now let's explore the possibilities for the BCS matchups. For the sake of simplifying this process, we'll assume there are no upsets on Saturday. The only variable is the Big 12 championship game.

Projected BCS Matchups (If Missouri beats Oklahoma)

Allstate BCS National Championship Game
Missouri (Big 12 champ) vs. West Virginia (Big East champ)

The Rose Bowl Game presented by Citi
Ohio State (Big Ten champ) vs. USC (Pac-10 champ)

FedEx Orange Bowl
Virginia Tech (ACC champ) vs. Georgia (at-large)

Tostitos Fiesta Bowl
Kansas (at-large) vs. Arizona State (at-large)

Allstate Sugar Bowl
LSU (SEC champ) vs. Hawaii (at-large)

Projected BCS Matchups (If Oklahoma beats Missouri)

Allstate BCS National Championship Game
West Virginia (Big East champ) vs. Ohio State (Big Ten champ)

The Rose Bowl Game presented by Citi
USC (Pac-10 champ) vs. Illinois (at-large)

FedEx Orange Bowl
Virginia Tech (ACC champ) vs. Georgia (at-large)

Tostitos Fiesta Bowl
Oklahoma (Big 12 champ) vs. Arizona State (at-large)

Allstate Sugar Bowl
LSU (SEC champ) vs. Hawaii (at-large)

It seemed for the past four weeks that the Big 12 was certain to get a second team into the BCS, but the loss by Texas presents a scenario in which an Oklahoma victory in the conference title game could cost the Big 12 a BCS at-large spot.

If the Rose Bowl has to replace Ohio State and chooses Illinois to do so, the lone Big 12 hope might be for the Fiesta to set up a "conference game" between Oklahoma and Kansas, which isn't as ridiculous as it sounds since the two didn't meet in the regular season.

After all, ridiculous seems to be all the rage in college football this year.

I really like the second scenario, some nice match-ups.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:56 pm

Sudden Sam wrote:
SoCalTrjn wrote:

And lets not forget this Georgia team has not scheduled a game outside of the South in 42 years
Georgia's at Arizona State next year. Streak broken!

Like Michigan State was scheduled to play @ Hawaii this year?

When Georgia takes the field in a scheduled game outside the South I will believe it, and if they play 1 game on 43 years outside of the south were supposed to give them a cookie?

Bizzarofelice · Post by **Bizzarofelice** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:04 pm

MuchoBulls wrote:
T REX wrote:Take those top three teams and look at their OOC schedules....where is the outrage....where is the constant bashing that SEC fan had to endure.

Just this board....hypocrisy all over.....the same people bashing SEC fan should be all over those teams non-stop...but no....why?

Great fucking question.....
At least WVU played an SEC team (Mississippi State) and they rolled them pretty easily.

Mizzou played Ole Miss. Won.

MgoBlue-LightSpecial · Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:05 pm

@ ASU? Not bad. I'll bet the UGA AD is kicking himself since ASU became good all the sudden.

Michigan State travels to Berkeley next year.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:09 pm

I'm rooting for Tennessee next weekend, BIGTIME.

It will be pretty freaking amusing to see how SEC Tard will try and spin the fact the champion from the Conference That's Ten Times Better Than Every Other Conference Combined lost to the team that's currently sitting in 7th place in the PAC10.

That'll teach those SEC teams to get on a plane and cross time zones.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:14 pm

MgoBlue-LightSpecial wrote: Michigan State travels to Berkeley next year.

Hmmmm.... probably an early-season matchup, I'm guessing?

Too bad... they'll probably be good.

You want to face Kal late in the season, after the team does its quitting-on-Tedford bit.

I don't see how Tedford's name gets mentioned with the "elite coaches." They quit on him this year, and they've done it in the past. This season, once their QB got dinged and they lost a game, it was remarkable watching them just shut it down. And it sure seemed like it was DeShaun Jackson that led the "charge to give up." That guy just absolutely started mailing it in after the OS loss... I found that hard to believe, since it was only opponents' gameplanning that kept him from dominating every game -- sure, he wasn't doing too much statistically, but he was wreaking havoc in the secondary, and even moreso in the gameplanning of the DC.

Until Tedford starts recruiting guys with some heart, that program is going nowhere.

L45B · Post by **L45B** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:37 pm

Dinsdale wrote:It will be pretty freaking amusing to see how SEC Tard will try and spin the fact the champion from the Conference That's Ten Times Better Than Every Other Conference Combined lost to the team that's currently sitting in 7th place in the PAC10.

It'll be just like last year when the conference runner-up that lost to a Big Ten team was **actually** the 5th best team in the SEC. It's just like clockwork.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:40 pm

The SEC was down this year.

SoCalTrjn · Post by **SoCalTrjn** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:58 pm

L45B wrote:
Dinsdale wrote:It will be pretty freaking amusing to see how SEC Tard will try and spin the fact the champion from the Conference That's Ten Times Better Than Every Other Conference Combined lost to the team that's currently sitting in 7th place in the PAC10.
It'll be just like last year when the conference runner-up that lost to a Big Ten team was **actually** the 5th best team in the SEC. It's just like clockwork.

the same runner up that lost 14-50 at home vs the lil Pac 10 team

WolverineSteve · Post by **WolverineSteve** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:04 pm

A. quite a few Big10 teams have gone to Hawaii over the past 20 years or so. In all the cases I can remember they played them after the Conf. slate. Michigan has gone twice I think, MSU, Wisky off the top of my head as well.

As for OOC scheduling, what has transpired this year to make schools think that they should schedule tough OOC games? It would appear that removing as many loseable games from the schedule would be the best idea. Stay unbeaten the longest and conrol your own destiny. Nobody wants to watch a top program take on sister mary's school for wayward women, but lack of losses seems to matter more than quality wins. There is no way to fairly police sceduling, aint gonna happen. With the meatgrinder spitting out 3-loss teams galore, why would they play a top-tier bcs conf. team? If they win all 4 OOC games, the need only win 2 in conf. to be bowl eligible....fucking joke if you ask me. Not to bang on the grinder, most conferences do it. Bowl eligible at 6 wins is a fricking joke in and of itself.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:19 pm

WolverineSteve wrote:As for OOC scheduling, what has transpired this year to make schools think that they should schedule tough OOC games?

Werd.

Been an issue for me lately. The pollsters decided to reward, rather than punish jokes like Kansas.

And maybe even worse, is the inconsistancy. Where was the love for Boise last season (they actually ended up ranked about right,imo)? How about Hawaii this season? When Kansas was rolling, everyone was all "but they're undefeated!" All the while Hawaii, who also played a joke of a schedule, was rolling people up even harder, yet they can't crack the top ten.

What do people even base this on? Sure, it's all speculation, but from what I saw of Kansas this season (which was some, but not what I'd call a "whole bunch"0, and from what I saw of Hawaii(which was a reasonable amount), Kansas doesn't belong on the same field as Hawaii. I could see that one being really one-sided, and getting pretty ugly pretty early.

I guess if you cupcake in a BCS conference, even though your schedule somehow misses all/most of the good teams in your conference, it means you're the bizzzomb, but if you kill everyone for every minute in a "mid-major," it means you suck.

Now, I'm not defending the cupcakers in any way -- I'm just saying that maybe a little more consistancy would be nice. Then again, laughing and shaking your head while using your poll vote to place cupcakers no higher than 15 would send a message and fix the problem within the next few years as new schedules get made.

Terry in Crapchester · Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:42 pm

Dinsdale wrote:And maybe even worse, is the inconsistancy. Where was the love for Boise last season (they actually ended up ranked about right,imo)? How about Hawaii this season? When Kansas was rolling, everyone was all "but they're undefeated!" All the while Hawaii, who also played a joke of a schedule, was rolling people up even harder, yet they can't crack the top ten.

Sep 8 Hawaii 45, Louisiana Tech 44
Oct 12 Hawaii 42, San Jose State 35
Nov 10 Hawaii 37, Fresno State 30
Nov 16 Hawaii 28, Nevada 26

In fact, a big part of the problem I had with Hawaii, at least prior to the Boise State game, was that they scabdicked a number of wins against less than awe-inspiring competition (to put it quite charitably). And this season certainly proved that there's a world of difference between catching Hawaii on the island, and catching them on the mainland. They're considerably less imposing under the latter set of circumstances. And last I checked, there aren't any BCS games in Hawaii, not yet anyway.

As for the comparison with Kansas, Kansas at least plays in a BCS conference, so even though Kansas played a weak schedule, there's really no comparison between Kansas' schedule and Hawaii's.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:02 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote: who is to say that OSU, USC, UGA, LSU, etc still aren't the best team?

For this one week at least, the AP and Harris poll voters and 4 of 6 BCS computers say that they aren't. Does that not suit your bruised ego?

I mean WVU v Mizzou two teams that aren't necessarily relevant from a NATIONAL perspective...

sigh... here we go again with the "traditional powers" lame ass arguement... as if none outside of this exclusive club need bother applying because they'll instantly be dismissed as not being a "relevant" program.

Give it a rest already. Mizzou and WVU have earned their current ranking, and if they each win one more game, they'll both deserve to play for all the marbles.

SEC Sam wrote:On the one hand, it's fun to see schools like Kansas finally have a decent team. On the other hand, seeing Nebraska, Alabama, etc. down as bad as they are hurts this old man's heart.

I'm not sure if you're asking for a tissue or a defibrilator here, Sam. Speaking as a fan of a team that has routinely gotten it's shit hammered by Nebraska for the majority of my time on this planet, my heart is doing somersaults seeing the Corn be a laughingstock. Fuck 'em, let them have a taste of their own damn medicine for a decade or six.

And Sam, in order for some teams to be "up" like KU or MU, other teams like CU or NU, must needs be "down".

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:10 pm

WW...that kind of came out wrong...I was implying right now you are correct WVU and MIZZOU are the best but if you have 3 or 4 1 loss teams who is to say they all aren't deserving of a shot...right now you have

MIZZOU
WVU
OSU
KU

with 1 loss

Hawaii undefeated

who is to say that either one of the 5 aren't or shouldn't be playing for it...that is what I meant...

so what about the Traditional Powers club...I mean from a National Perspective does MIZZOU or WVU carry the same weight? UH No...just a point of discussion...I mean MIZZOU does something for the first time in 100 years and you get a sore vagina when people take shots...that is part of being on top...you have to take shots as they come...if you can't handle then step back...

how much shit has OSU fan taking from the last MNC game? TONS...but we have to take it...that is the good with the bad...you have to accept it...

trust me I am not sligthing MIZZOU in the least but if MIZZOU was sitting at 3 with 1 loss you wouldn't be pimping your team for the MNC game? If you say no then well ok...

MuchoBulls · Post by **MuchoBulls** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:33 pm

Bizzarofelice wrote:
MuchoBulls wrote:
T REX wrote:Take those top three teams and look at their OOC schedules....where is the outrage....where is the constant bashing that SEC fan had to endure.

Just this board....hypocrisy all over.....the same people bashing SEC fan should be all over those teams non-stop...but no....why?

Great fucking question.....
At least WVU played an SEC team (Mississippi State) and they rolled them pretty easily.
Mizzou played Ole Miss. Won.

Forgot about that one. Good call.

War Wagon · Post by **War Wagon** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:36 pm

buckeye_in_sc wrote:WW...that kind of came out wrong...

Actually buckeye, I knew what you meant, and conveniently omitted the last part of your statement to suit my homer purposes. :wink:

But I've been meaning to address that "traditional power" angle used so often by so many for some time, and responding to your post seemed like as good as time as any to do so.

trust me I am not sligthing MIZZOU in the least but if MIZZOU was sitting at 3 with 1 loss you wouldn't be pimping your team for the MNC game?

In general, I would agree. But in this specific case, tOSU lost to a team that Mizzou beat. So no, that arguement isn't valid.

Now then, were the shoe on the other foot and say, tOSU had beaten Oklahoma while Mizzou didn't, we wouldn't even be having this discussion as tOSU would obviously qualify as the better team.

Of course, should WVU or Mizzou stumble this week, then you're IN. I see little chance of Pit beating WVU...

But MU v OU is going to be a dogfight that could easily go either way, and I certainly won't blame buckeye honks for being the biggest Sooner fans on the face of the Earth outside of Oklahoma this week.

buckeye_in_sc · Post by **buckeye_in_sc** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:51 pm

WW - I work with (although they are in the 314) a MIZZOU and OU grad...

Unfortunately I have to give a huge BOOMER SOONER...

not that I wouldn't like to see Pinkel (from Toledo) get his run...but I would like to see tOSU in the MNC game...

anyway good luck the rest of the way...a incredible season for MIZZOU...

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:57 pm

War Wagon wrote:
buckeye_in_sc wrote: who is to say that OSU, USC, UGA, LSU, etc still aren't the best team?
For this one week at least, the AP and Harris poll voters and 4 of 6 BCS computers say that they aren't. Does that not suit your bruised ego?

Minor detail, but AP has nothing to do with the BCS. But by all means, enjoy your week at the top.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:00 pm

The two ESPN bowl honks/hacks both have tOSU in the title game:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/stor ... jections13