Penn & Teller Bullshit! (Intelligent Design)

[Diogenes]

Look RadioFarce, there are many Christians, such as myself, that can accept evolution

you and the Pope.....

I think he was directing his comments more toward the "God Created the Universe in Six Days" "Noah took ywo of every creature into the Ark" crowd.....

That's creationism, not ID.

Just because some of you either can't fathom the differance or wish to pretend there is none, doesn't make them the same.

I don't understand how anyone can argue, in good faith, that "Intelligent Design" has some connection to "science". It goes off the rails before it leaves the station. Intelligent Design proposes that something "supernatural" executed a plan to design the natural world. What the fuck kind of scientific theory is that? How do you test supernatural? By definition, something supernatural is beyond testing. And if it cannot be tested, then it is not science.

ID doesn't presuppose that the cause was 'supernatural', just that there was one.

And spontaneous biogenesis and viable mutations creating new species are just as unprovable and unfalsifiable.

And unscientific.

The theories regarding abiogenesis have absolutely nothing to do with evolution.

Agreed.

But the improbability of it occuring is an argument for intelligent design.

so, how do you suppose the light from a galaxy that is 13 billion light years away reached earth in 6000 years....

Space-time dilation, perhaps.

Of course this has nothing to do with ID.

[Dinsdale]

Yeah, the idea that an amazing random series of events led to matter becoming life and interacting with its environment is pretty tough to wrap your brain around, due to the sheer scope of the probabilities.

So naturally, "intelligent" people just write that off, and prefer to go with a big man-in-the-sky got bored and started slinging mud and cracking ribs, and assume that millions of species of animals fit in a homemade raft and all lived within walking distance from Noah's house.


Makes perfect sense.

[Diogenes]

I feel a lot better about evolution being true than the Big Bang theory.

The big bang isn't a theory. It's a fact. We have observed the remaining traces of that explosion. I suppose you could try to argue that it was simply a big bang rather than The Big Bang if you'd like.

Genesis agrees.

"Let there be light" ring a bell?

If Christians want to believe that we were all "created", I can live with it. I'm not about to tell other people who might believe something different than I do to not feel or think that way. Just don't force those ideas and beliefs on everyone else. How many other religious in the world like to barge into other people's lives like Christianity?

Darwinists, for starters.

[Jay in Phoenix]

Yeah, the idea that an amazing random series of events led to matter becoming life and interacting with its environment is pretty tough to wrap your brain around, due to the sheer scope of the probabilities.

So naturally, "intelligent" people just write that off, and prefer to go with a big man-in-the-sky got bored and started slinging mud and cracking ribs, and assume that millions of species of animals fit in a homemade raft and all lived within walking distance from Noah's house.


Makes perfect sense.

That'll rack.

[Diogenes]

Yeah, the idea that an amazing random series of events led to matter becoming life and interacting with its environment is pretty tough to wrap your brain around, due to the sheer scope of the probabilities.

Not really.

It just happens to be statisticly unlikely, unprovable, unfalsifiable, and unscientific.


But mandatory for indoctrination in our public schools.

Just one more reason for school choice.

[Diogenes]

How does he reconcile his belief in evolution with the empirical evidence available to him?

Empirical evidence confirms evolution, you braindead dipshit.

Not really. Natural selection, yes.

The rest of it, not at all.

[Diogenes]

Simpleton says what?

Natural selection is seperate from random mutations spontaneously creating new viable species.

Idiot.

[Diogenes]

So Darwin was full of shit?

Good to know.

[Diogenes]

I have. And Descent of Man as well.

Sorry if it went over your head.

Okay, not really.

[Diogenes]

Whatever. Oh, BTW...

Random mutations do not spontaneously create viable new species, dumbfuck.

Props on becoming an ID advocate.

[warren]

Yeah, the idea that an amazing random series of events led to matter becoming life and interacting with its environment is pretty tough to wrap your brain around, due to the sheer scope of the probabilities.

So naturally, "intelligent" people just write that off, and prefer to go with a big man-in-the-sky got bored and started slinging mud and cracking ribs, and assume that millions of species of animals fit in a homemade raft and all lived within walking distance from Noah's house.


Makes perfect sense.

Dude if you ever heard of the term "parable?"

Sure there are fundamentalists that believe in that fairy tale, however, the vast majority of Christians look on the old Testament as an archaic way of explaining Creation and a longing for a new belief, just as the Aboriginal Australians think that Ayers rock was a giant that created them, or the many indeginous North American's think the "sky god" or whatever created them.

The vast majority of people believe that Creationism is a viable and even more of a certainty, but it didn't invlolve 6 days on and one day off, and a woman came from the missing rib and temptation was layed upon the hands of a serpent guarding a mango tree.

God's "intelligent design" takes place in God's time which your lifetime doesn't even occupy a millisecond of. I believe something beautiful was created in a way that neither you nor I can fathom or explain and the chances are beyond comprehension.

I would love that you entertain the thought and possibly study the scripture like you study your roomate Alex's asshole while he sleeps and then maybe you might stop letting atheist news network and whatever else moveon.manonorgasm tells you to think and just go, "hell man, those Christers sure are stupid and I don't want to be one, but they put together one very well written history of modern man, and their credo isn't all that bad even if I dont't believe in salvation or merlin, or errrrrrrrrr Christ.

Nobody's forcing shit on you people, tell me the last time some Christian "forced" his belief system on you.

Just shut the fuck up and quit listening to news reports of radical right wingers and if you don't like the religion then quit pecking away your key's in between games of Doom or whatever the fuck you no football playing pussy's do all day and let it go.

Have a merry fucking Christmas, I Pray that your significant other get's you that Dingleberry 2.0 so that you can you continue to bitch and mock that of which you do not know.

moron's are like Mormon's they just keep reproducing.

[Diogenes]

Actualy it's even better that that.

Most ID advocates say that the spontaneous creation of viable new species is improbable, not that it is flat out impossible.


Props on going the extra mle.

[Diogenes]

Most ID advocates say that the spontaneous creation of viable new species is improbable, not that it is flat out impossible.

In other words, ID advocates are some of the most pitifully stupid fuckwits on planet earth. I'll leave it to you to spot the glaring, self-negating contradiction in that sentence if you are able.

You refering to your fellow ID advocates (or anyone else) as 'pitifully stupid fuckwits' isn't contradictory.

Just ironic.

[Felix]

In other words, ID advocates are some of the most pitifully stupid fuckwits on planet earth. I'll leave it to you to spot the glaring, self-negating contradiction in that sentence if you are able.

the entire basis for ID is trying to disprove the theory of evolution rather than trying to "prove" their assertions....anyone that calls that science is ignorant beyond all hope.....

the "classic" ID argument....

"Evolutionists cannot explain exactly how [insert species or organ name here] evolved."

"Therefore, evolution theory cannot explain how it evolved."

"Therefore, it could not have evolved."

"Therefore, it must have been magically created by God ... er, an "intelligent designer"."

[Diogenes]

In other words, ID advocates are some of the most pitifully stupid fuckwits on planet earth. I'll leave it to you to spot the glaring, self-negating contradiction in that sentence if you are able.

the entire basis for ID is trying to disprove the theory of evolution rather than trying to "prove" their assertions....anyone that calls that science is ignorant beyond all hope.....

the "classic" ID argument....

"Evolutionists cannot explain exactly how [insert species or organ name here] evolved."

"Therefore, evolution theory cannot explain how it evolved."

"Therefore, it could not have evolved."

Wrong.

Just that it is unlikly to have evolved spontaneously.

And still no less 'scientific' than the dogma force-fed in our public schools as 'science'.

[Felix]

Wrong.

Just that it is unlikly to have evolved spontaneously.

And still no less 'scientific' than the dogma force-fed in our public schools as 'science'.

then by all means, present your scientific arguments for ID....and regurgitating "life is simply too complex to have evolved" is not a scientific arguement......

I'm always willing to listen to credible alternatives......

[Diogenes]

Wrong.

Just that it is unlikly to have evolved spontaneously.

And still no less 'scientific' than the dogma force-fed in our public schools as 'science'.

then by all means, present your scientific arguments for ID....and regurgitating "life is simply too complex to have evolved" is not a scientific arguement......

Neither is abiogenesis

Or evolution, for that matter.

It is unverifiable and unfalsifiable dogma.

How about "DNA and RNA are simply too complex to likely have simultaneously and spontaneously evolved and life itself is not likely to have spontaneously evolved from inorganic matter in a viable form"?

[Diogenes]

Just that it is unlikly to have evolved spontaneously.

There is nothing spontaneous about evolution, idiot. Not that I'm the least bit shocked or surprised to see that you don't know the meaning of either word.

Irony.

Keep up the good work, ID boy.

Or get a dictionary.

[Felix]

Neither is abiogenesis

this is not "scientific argument"

Or evolution, for that matter.

neither is this.....

It is unverifiable and unfalsifiable dogma.

neither is this.....

present your SCIENTIFIC arguments or shut the fuck up.....

how many times am I going to have to ask you this....

How about "DNA and RNA are simply too complex to likely have simultaneously and spontaneously evolved and life itself is not likely to have spontaneously evolved from inorganic matter in a viable form"?

why do you keep using the phrase "spontaneously evolved"...if you knew anything about the science of evolution you'd know there was nothing "spontaneous" about it......

I'd have a lot more respect for you if you'd pulled the "irreducible complexity" argument, rather than this weak ass pablum.....

[Dinsdale]

Sure there are fundamentalists that believe in that fairy tale, however, the vast majority of Christians look on the old Testament as an archaic way of explaining Creation and a longing for a new belief, just as the Aboriginal Australians think that Ayers rock was a giant that created them, or the many indeginous North American's think the "sky god" or whatever created them.

The vast majority of people believe that Creationism is a viable and even more of a certainty, but it didn't invlolve 6 days on and one day off, and a woman came from the missing rib and temptation was layed upon the hands of a serpent guarding a mango tree.

So, see if I've got this right...


You're making a case for Judeo-Christianity...

Give me a minute to digest this...


Your case for God's existence as the grand designer of the universe...

is based on an assumption that the Bible is bullshit "fairy tales."


"Well sure, all those stories in the Bible are complete crap, except the part about how God made the universe."



Props on accomplishing what was previously thought impossible -- making Dipshitgenes almost seem rational and coherent.


Dang, just when you think you've heard it all.


One of us needs to stop getting information from outside sources... I think you're just a little confused which one of us that might be.

[Diogenes]

Main Entry: situational irony
Part of Speech: n
Definition: an outcome that turns out to be very different from what was expected, the difference between what is expected to happen and what actually does


If you don't see the irony of someone actually making an argument for ID while attacking it, you are a tad dense.

And if you can't see that if evolution isn't self directed, if it needs an external cause, then you have intelligent design, you are an idiot.

[Dinsdale]

The true definition of "irony"...


Some guy who can't spell "difference" unless he C&Ps it lecturing anyone on anything related to American English.


Priceless.

[Diogenes]

On the other hand, a dipshit who has to resort to spellcheck 'smack' in lieu of a take confusing pointing out faulty thinking with 'lecturing anyone on anything related to American English' wouldn't be ironic.

Just pathetic. And typical.

[Diogenes]

Sure there are fundamentalists that believe in that fairy tale, however, the vast majority of Christians look on the old Testament as an archaic way of explaining Creation and a longing for a new belief, just as the Aboriginal Australians think that Ayers rock was a giant that created them, or the many indeginous North American's think the "sky god" or whatever created them.

The vast majority of people believe that Creationism is a viable and even more of a certainty, but it didn't invlolve 6 days on and one day off, and a woman came from the missing rib and temptation was layed upon the hands of a serpent guarding a mango tree.

So, see if I've got this right...

No. Still an idiot.

[Dinsdale]

On the other hand, a dipshit who has to resort to spellcheck 'smack'

Don't like it?


The solution is in your grasp -- don't put your horrific lack of education on display, and it won't be an issue.


Let me teach you a little sumpm-sumpm about evolution, dickweed --


As life on earth became more established, species very slowly became more diverse. Mankind quit dragging his knuckles, unlike his genetic relative, the ape.


And you know what else separates Man from the apes, Dio?


His ability to read and write.

Of course, all the schooling in the world couldn't grant you this separation, so it becomes quite obvious why you're so devout in your belief in ID and other assorted fairy tales -- it's the only thing that actually does separate you from the apes, this misguided belief that you were put on the planet as unrelated entities.



Sorry to burst your bubble, dude -- your inability to recall those lessons you learned back in grade school about reading and writing isn't because of some grand design by some supernatural creator...

It's because you're a fucking idiot.


So sorry you had to find out this way.

[Diogenes]

On the other hand, a dipshit who has to resort to spellcheck 'smack'

Don't like it?

No, it's fine with me. It just demonstrates what a clueless biotch you are.

[Dinsdale]

I see.


The person who can correctly spell a grade-school level word is "clueless," but using the word "differance" countless times makes you a scholar who has a clue.


Gee, hard to figure how you got suckered into letting your life revolve around the persuit of fairy tales... no, really.

[smackaholic]

I get a kick out of creationists saying evolution is bullshit, simply because life spontan...errr just happening doesn't make sense, whereas some omnipotent magical dude with a big white beard just pulling it out of his ass IS believable, because some fukker wrote it down afew years back.

Here is the truf. We are here. How'd we get here? I ain't got a fukking clue. So what. Jus enjoy the goddamn ride while it lasts and don't waste it argueing over this shit or watching some 20 minute video of a fat faggot who thinks he's funny.

[warren]

I see.


The person who can correctly spell a grade-school level word is "clueless," but using the word "differance" countless times makes you a scholar who has a clue.


Gee, hard to figure how you got suckered into letting your life revolve around the persuit of fairy tales... no, really.

I feel so downgraded my about my education, or lack therof, by a guy that uses the term, or terms, "sumpm-sumpm."

You win hands down dumbfuck.

I have come on here and written something that doesn't diminish your beliefs or ethos, yet you are stuck to this board like you lips to a trucker's cock in a Phillips 66 shower room.

Get over it man, I am not trying to convince your foolish ass about anything, I just layed out my personal belief and you and your insecurity have nothing left to offer other than spelling bee smack and my obvious lack of a formal education.

I learned my trade on the fly. I learned trigonometry and geometry and management skills to the point that I make decent money, travel the world over, and am proud to have served my country for pennies on the dollar.

Yet I am fodder for a fucking moron with an African American connected to a piece of pizza on his head as an avatar and zero grasp of the fact that I'm resolute in my belief in a Creator yet also accepting of the way that it occured was not in your X-Box frame of time but yet in a grand design on His time that created not only mankind but a wondrous and miraculous support system of a glorious variety of animal and plant and weather and everything thing it takes to make this world the beautiful sphere that it is.

I don't know your story, nor would I ever want to, but if this is your body of work then I will bet my bottom dollar that you are in for a short, pathetic, close minded, arrogant exitence.

Go fuck yourself pissant bitch and if you want to challenge my IQ in engineering, literature, pussy, or life in general, name the place and time and the parameters.

You are a fucking twat with your flaps down and your tail in the ground.

You can shove the olive branch I offered you on another thread right up your significant others man cannon. Bitch. bring it. I will take some time off tomorrow to see how your math skills match up.

Enjoy your post total and your complete lack of comprehension. I now know why every time I tune into this place you and your forgetfull takes are spreak across the lawn like so much manure, because you lack the ability to comprehend different viewpoints and your fat fucking slim-jim puffing ass couldn't get along with Ghandi.

I'm a man of peace now, but I'd love to stomp your pencil necked ass in to the U&L or whatever flooded shithole you reside in.

War's on bitch, I'm off until after the first, and as long as I keep the cow's fed and the Wife happy I'll have plenty of time to run wits with your punk ass.

[warren]

Sure there are fundamentalists that believe in that fairy tale, however, the vast majority of Christians look on the old Testament as an archaic way of explaining Creation and a longing for a new belief, just as the Aboriginal Australians think that Ayers rock was a giant that created them, or the many indeginous North American's think the "sky god" or whatever created them.

The vast majority of people believe that Creationism is a viable and even more of a certainty, but it didn't invlolve 6 days on and one day off, and a woman came from the missing rib and temptation was layed upon the hands of a serpent guarding a mango tree.

So, see if I've got this right...


You're making a case for Judeo-Christianity...

Give me a minute to digest this...


Your case for God's existence as the grand designer of the universe...

is based on an assumption that the Bible is bullshit "fairy tales."


"Well sure, all those stories in the Bible are complete crap, except the part about how God made the universe."



Props on accomplishing what was previously thought impossible -- making Dipshitgenes almost seem rational and coherent.


Dang, just when you think you've heard it all.


One of us needs to stop getting information from outside sources... I think you're just a little confused which one of us that might be.

Isn't it fucking possible that some of what was written was written to inspire those who were being persecuted on a daily basis to the extent that would make your boyfriends reamed ass seem like a ride on the Magic Mountain at Disneyland?

If you ever read the Bible, at all?

If you ever researched the motivation behind many of the letters, Psalms, history of the time's that comprise what we now accept as the King James translation.

Do you know your head from your over penetrated ass?

Are even willing to accept somebody elses culture, belief system, religion without resorting to sophomoric rhetoric and spelling smack.?

Grow the fuck up punk, just because you don't think it's so, doesn't mean it isn't so.

What a fucking tool you are.

[Dinsdale]

I see.


The person who can correctly spell a grade-school level word is "clueless," but using the word "differance" countless times makes you a scholar who has a clue.


Gee, hard to figure how you got suckered into letting your life revolve around the persuit of fairy tales... no, really.

I feel so downgraded my about my education, or lack therof, by a guy that uses the term, or terms, "sumpm-sumpm."

You win hands down dumbfuck.

I have come on here and written something that doesn't diminish your beliefs or ethos, yet you are stuck to this board like you lips to a trucker's cock in a Phillips 66 shower room.

Get over it man, I am not trying to convince your foolish ass about anything, I just layed out my personal belief and you and your insecurity have nothing left to offer other than spelling bee smack and my obvious lack of a formal education.

I learned my trade on the fly. I learned trigonometry and geometry and management skills to the point that I make decent money, travel the world over, and am proud to have served my country for pennies on the dollar.

Yet I am fodder for a fucking moron with an African American connected to a piece of pizza on his head as an avatar and zero grasp of the fact that I'm resolute in my belief in a Creator yet also accepting of the way that it occured was not in your X-Box frame of time but yet in a grand design on His time that created not only mankind but a wondrous and miraculous support system of a glorious variety of animal and plant and weather and everything thing it takes to make this world the beautiful sphere that it is.

I don't know your story, nor would I ever want to, but if this is your body of work then I will bet my bottom dollar that you are in for a short, pathetic, close minded, arrogant exitence.

Go fuck yourself pissant bitch and if you want to challenge my IQ in engineering, literature, pussy, or life in general, name the place and time and the parameters.

You are a fucking twat with your flaps down and your tail in the ground.

You can shove the olive branch I offered you on another thread right up your significant others man cannon. Bitch. bring it. I will take some time off tomorrow to see how your math skills match up.

Enjoy your post total and your complete lack of comprehension. I now know why every time I tune into this place you and your forgetfull takes are spreak across the lawn like so much manure, because you lack the ability to comprehend different viewpoints and your fat fucking slim-jim puffing ass couldn't get along with Ghandi.

I'm a man of peace now, but I'd love to stomp your pencil necked ass in to the U&L or whatever flooded shithole you reside in.

War's on bitch, I'm off until after the first, and as long as I keep the cow's fed and the Wife happy I'll have plenty of time to run wits with your punk ass.

Warren... you're on fire, bro.

Rant for the ages.


But I was adressing diogenes.


Good response, though.

[Dinsdale]

Isn't it fucking possible that some of what was written was written to inspire those who were being persecuted on a daily basis to the extent that would make your boyfriends reamed ass seem like a ride on the Magic Mountain at Disneyland?

I get it. You believe in the Creator... you even said as much.


How did you learn about that Creator guy, anyway?


Oh... in a book you have openly admitted you don't believe.


But keep assigning that "tool" label to other people, though.



Let's see... some man in a black robe weilds a book that claims to have it all figured out, and can not only answer the questions about life, the universe, and everything, but it can also save you from some eternal torture.


Fair enough.


But don't you find it just at least a little bit suspicious that everyone who has ever promoted said book has also hit the people he's pushing it on for money?


Hello?



I heard a similar story recently, only this one involved curing cancer. That guy wanted money, too.

[Dinsdale]

Isn't it fucking possible that some of what was written was written to inspire those who were being persecuted on a daily basis to the extent that would make your boyfriends reamed ass seem like a ride on the Magic Mountain at Disneyland?

And continuing on this "logic"...


So, the people pimping christianity decided it was in their better interest to lie,rather than to actually tell the truth?


That's one hell of a set of "moral guidelines" that christianity founded itself on.


When you offer persecuted/downtrodden people some sort of promise of improving their situation through lies, it doesn't make you moral -- it makes you a reprehensible piece of shit. Look up Vladimir Lenin if you need another example.

[poptart]

But don't you find it just at least a little bit suspicious that everyone who has ever promoted said book has also hit the people he's pushing it on for money?

false

[Y2K]

How did you learn about that Creator guy, anyway?

I'm thinking it was more than just a book....

Rack warren........

[Mister Bushice]

But don't you find it just at least a little bit suspicious that everyone who has ever promoted said book has also hit the people he's pushing it on for money?

false

add the words "tried to" in there, and it's not false anymore.

Feel free to give any examples you can, though.

[poptart]

I 'promote' the Book, and I speak to people about the message of the Book regularly.

I don't ask people for money.
No reason to at all.

[Mister Bushice]

So does my cousin, but we don't buy into it from him, either. You're on the wrong track here, pop.

And as usual, Cliffy didn't really make himself clear. Roadkill never does, though.


When it comes to those who make preaching their divine call to service, none of them do it totally out of altruism. Everyone, from the doorknob shaker to the pulpit beggar to the TV evangelist is in it to make money either for themselves or for others they work for.


My great aunt drove the entire family crazy with her constant harping on anyone stupid enough to get too close to pray with her for hours every day. No one wanted to visit her because she was truly relentless. I think her husband died young so he could get some peace in hell. Prayers at 5 am, 90 minute vespers 7 days a week, church visits every day, decade upon decade of Hail Marys, and Novenas that would choke a saint. The woman was a rosary juggernaut.

We would have paid her to stop.


Wicked, tricksy falssse

[poptart]

When it comes to those who make preaching their divine call to service, none of them do it totally out of altruism. Everyone, from the doorknob shaker to the pulpit beggar to the TV evangelist is in it to make money either for themselves or for others they work for.

If a person sends mony to a tv evangelist then the phrase, a fool and his money ....., could not be more appropriate.

From simply a practical point of view, a church needs money to operate.
If you attend a movie you have to pay, because there are costs associated with providing the setting for you to view the film.
It's the same for people who go to a church service.
There are obviously many costs involved in having a church and a ministry.

A church and ministry needs money in order to go to the world with the Gospel (as is the calling of the believers).
A Pastor, a servant to the congregation, needs to be paid.
His pay comes from the offering that the congregation gives.
These are realities.

We don't want our Pastor(s) living in a shed.
We want lights, water, and air in our building.
We want to take the Gospel to all the world.

At our church we happily give offerings for those purposes, and out of profound thankfulness to God, from Whom all good things come.

[warren]

So does my cousin, but we don't buy into it from him, either. You're on the wrong track here, pop.

And as usual, Cliffy didn't really make himself clear. Roadkill never does, though.


When it comes to those who make preaching their divine call to service, none of them do it totally out of altruism. Everyone, from the doorknob shaker to the pulpit beggar to the TV evangelist is in it to make money either for themselves or for others they work for.


My great aunt drove the entire family crazy with her constant harping on anyone stupid enough to get too close to pray with her for hours every day. No one wanted to visit her because she was truly relentless. I think her husband died young so he could get some peace in hell. Prayers at 5 am, 90 minute vespers 7 days a week, church visits every day, decade upon decade of Hail Marys, and Novenas that would choke a saint. The woman was a rosary juggernaut.

We would have paid her to stop.


Wicked, tricksy falssse

So, since we're talking logic in this thread, I am to believe that your aunt is the end all be all of everything religious.

You are so far off base on your assesment of "everyone" and their using the pulpit for making personal gain or for their "employers' gain that you'd be picked off at first base while looking for the hot dog salesman.

I am willing to bet it all that you've never been to Church and that you've done zero research on the good Men and Women that collect money and send it to humanitarian use in country's far away, not to mention the Missionaries that are kidnapped every day for traveling to these third world shit holes just teach them how to drill a fresh water well or read or administer AIDS med's.

Sure there's the Telly ministers that jet set and pocket the plate for their own gain.

That sort of thing reminds me one algore who preaches the green plan yet hops on his gas guzzling bizjet, then into a 12 cylinder limo to recieve an award that he was recognized for based on disinformation that even his own technical /scientest adviser admits is bullshtit.

If you don't think that religious congregations give of their own time and money for the good of those that don't have then you have got to be the dumbest motherfucker ever to stumble through life.

Oh, and one last thing mensa, absolute statements are the sign of the ignorant, uninformed, agenda driven punk assed bitches such as yourself.

So this is Christmas, and what have you done, bitch?

I know, play video games and post and cry alone in the night because you couldn't pull ass in a free French brothel with a double indemnity coupon.

What a fag.