Why not beat up old people?

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:51 pm

When it's no country for old men

Once we decide we don't need to give up our bus seats, the societal safety lock's already off
MARK STEYN | November 28, 2007 |

One of my all-time favourite observations on Canada's brave new Trudeaupia came from the great George Jonas, apropos the good old days when the Mounties' livelier lads were illegally burning down the barns of Quebec separatists. With his usual glibness Pierre Trudeau blithely responded that if people were upset by the RCMP's illegal barn-burning, perhaps he'd make it legal for the RCMP to burn barns. As Jonas observed, M. Trudeau had missed the point: barn-burning wasn't wrong because it was illegal; it was illegal because it was wrong.

That's an important distinction, and not just for the Royal Canadian Taser Police. Once it's no longer accepted that something is wrong all the laws in the world will avail you nought. The law functions as formal expression of a moral code, not as free-standing substitute for it. Last year, on a trolley car in London, a 96-year-old man was punched in the face and blinded in one eye. His 44-year- old attacker had boarded the crowded tram, tried to push past Mr. Chaudhury in the aisle and become enraged by the nonagenarian's insufficient haste in moving out of the way. "You bastard!" he snarled, and slugged him. A month ago, Stephen Gordon was sentenced by Croydon Crown Court to three years' probation, which means he'll have to endure weekly chit-chats with a municipal functionary, assuming he bothers turning up for his appointments. Mr. Gordon was seen to smirk as he left court, notwithstanding the mental health issues entered in mitigation.

Much of the commentary concerned the leniency of the sentence. But consider George Jonas's dictum: beating up a 96-year-old isn't wrong because it's illegal; it's illegal because it's wrong. And, if a citizen of an advanced Western social democracy no longer knows it's wrong, the laws are unlikely to prove much restraint. British society has come to depend on CCTVs — closed-circuit cameras in every public building, every shopping centre, every street, even (in some remote rural locales) on the trees. According to Theodore Dalrymple, England's greatest living pessimist, the British are second only to the North Koreans as the most monitored population on the planet; Britain is said to be home to a third of all the world's CCTVs; in the course of an average day, the average Briton is estimated to be filmed approximately 300 times. Etc. So naturally the Croydon trolley had a camera, and it captured in vivid close-up the perpetrator attacking his victim. And a fat lot of good the video evidence did Mr. Chaudhury.

Look at it from the attacker's point of view: why not beat up old people? Let's face it, they're a pain in the neck, clogging up escalators, revolving doors, sidewalks. You're in a hurry, you've got places to go, people to see, and there's always some old coot or withered biddy shuffling, shuffling, shuffling in front of you at 10 paces an hour. In Britain, in Canada, in Europe, in Japan, in China, the population is aging fast. So, if you think there are too many codgers taking 20 minutes to board the bus right now, just wait a couple of decades. Suppose five per cent of young men get irked at being delayed by geezers. What restrains them from making grampa-whacking merely the latest normalized pathology? A functioning civilization is like an iceberg: the unseen seven-eighths of codes and assumptions is the accumulated inheritance, the wisdom of the ages. Once it's gone, what's left just bobs around on the surface. Take a walk round any downtown or suburban mall and see it as Mr. Chaudhury's attacker did: what's to stop you?

Men in a hurry are not to be disrespected. On CNN a week or two back, a reporter in Philadelphia, the murder capital of America, was interviewing the grieving mother of a young black boy killed while riding his bicycle in the residential street outside his home. Apparently, a couple of cars had got backed up behind him, and a tetchy passenger in one of them pulled out a gun and shot the kid dead. Inevitably, CNN followed this with a report on how easy it is to buy guns in Philadelphia and how local politicians are reluctant to do anything about it. This is an argument only the experts could make: in the 1990s, the number of firearms in America went up by 40 million but the murder rate fell dramatically. If gun ownership were the determining factor, Vermont and Switzerland would have high murder rates. Yet in Montpelier or Geneva, the solution to a boy carelessly bicycling in front of you down a city thoroughfare when you're in a hurry is not to grab your piece and blow the moppet away. Once a relatively small chunk of the populace has decided it's okay with offing grade-school scamps, "gun control" isn't going to cut it: the societal safety lock is off.

But guns, sentencing, CCTV surveillance . . . that's how we expect to talk about these issues. Yet that wasn't what caught my eye about the story. In a statement to the court, the victim "said he had been standing in the aisle of the tram because nobody would give up their seat for him."

Let us give his fellow passengers the benefit of the doubt and assume he was an unusually spry and vigorous 96-year-old. Nevertheless, he relied on two walking sticks. How can it be that, prior to his encounter with his attacker, not one of the other fortysomethings in the car thought to offer his seat?

Because that, too, is one of those codes and assumptions we're no longer agreed upon. Back when Mr. Chaudhury was merely in early middle age, there was a big hit movie called Meet Me In St. Louis, set at the time of the 1904 World's Fair. It had a famous song about public transit:

Clang, clang, clang went the trolley
Ding, ding, ding went the bell . . .
Well, that part hasn't changed much. But how about this?
He tipped his hat
And took a seat
He said he hoped he hadn't stepped upon my feet . . .
Ah, if only.
He crushed my hat
And punched my head
He said he hoped he wouldn't have to leave me dead.

If you're Shah Chaudhury, the 1904 World's Fair isn't that long ago: it's six years before he was born. But even those who wear hats no longer tip them. And in the public conveyances of Toronto and London and Paris, young fit men sprawl across the seats while pregnant women and shopping-laden spinsters and nonagenarians with two bad legs straphang down the line. Our acceptance of that is a small blow to civilized life which enables the larger ones, literally so on that Croydon tram but psychologically so in a thousand other instances.

England is a sad case study because it managed to spare itself all the most obviously malign infections of the age, beginning with fascism and Communism. But the statistics speak for themselves. The number of indictable offences per thousand people was 2.4 in 1900, climbed gradually to 9.7 in 1954, and then rocketed to 109.4 in 1992. Most crime goes unreported, and most reported crime goes unsolved. Yet the law-breaking is merely a symptom of a larger rupture. "It is my biased opinion," declared Alan Jay Lerner, writer of Gigi, Camelot and My Fair Lady, "that British society is the most civilized on the planet earth." Heigh-ho, he's just a sentimental Yankee anglophile. But, recalling his own hometown, John O'Sullivan, one of the founding editors at the National Post, said that when his grandmother ran a pub in the Liverpool docklands in the years around the First World War, there was only one occasion when someone swore in her presence. And he subsequently apologized.

"The past is a foreign country: they do things differently there," wrote L. P. Hartley in his famous opening sentence to The Go-Between. But to read how the English themselves wrote of England the day before yesterday is to visit not a foreign country but an alternative universe. In Exploring English Character, published in 1955, the anthropologist Geoffrey Gorer analyzed his country thus: "When we think of our faults, we put first, and by a long way, any lapse from our standards of non-aggression, bad temper, nagging, swearing and the like. Public life is more gentle than that reported for any society of comparable size and industrial complexity." The past is not just a foreign country but a lost civilization.

"A society's first line of defence is not the law but customs, traditions and moral values," wrote Walter Williams of George Mason University recently. "They include important thou-shalt-nots such as shalt not murder, shalt not steal, shalt not lie and cheat, but they also include all those courtesies one might call ladylike and gentlemanly conduct. Policemen and laws can never replace these restraints on personal conduct."

"Restraint" is an unfashionable concept these days. I was lunching with an elderly chap in the early stages of dementia recently. He's someone who in all the years I've known him has never used any vulgar language in public or private, but the waitress's generous embonpoint caught his eye and he said to me (and half the restaurant) with all the blithe insouciance with which one might remark on the weather or the traffic, "I like big tits, don't you?" Dementia removes inhibition, and so your private thoughts are now publicly expressed. Society at large has lost its inhibitions: whether that is a symptom of civilizational dementia will be for future generations to judge.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:03 pm

Why not TROTS this shit thread?

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:13 pm

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Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:26 pm

Please point out your brilliant "take" in your first post in this thread. TIA, you worthless fucking spamtard.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:34 pm

Goober McTuber wrote:...spamtard.

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Takeless and clueless.

You're dismissed, bitch.

Hit old people? Bad Karma, what comes around, goes around.

We can only hope. Not like the British Judicial system cares.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:40 pm

Why not gang rape Haliburton employees and then cover it up?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=3977702&page=1

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:52 pm

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Real fucking impressive, Diaphanous. You regularly take lengthy hiatuses (thankfully). Your little math exercise impresses me not at all.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:57 pm

BSmack wrote:Why not gang rape Haliburton employees and then cover it up?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=3977702&page=1

And if she accused a former Arkansas Atty. Gen. instead of KBR employees, you certainly wouldn't believe her or give a shit.

Maybe they should have told her to 'put some ice on it'.

BSmack · Post by **BSmack** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:04 pm

Diogenes wrote:
BSmack wrote:Why not gang rape Haliburton employees and then cover it up?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=3977702&page=1
Damn! That's some pretty serious shit. Maybe they should investigate that?

FTFY

Shlomart Ben Yisrael · Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:10 pm

Goober McTuber wrote: You regularly take lengthy hiatuses...

He didn't want to go to rehab...

...no,no,no...

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:11 pm

BSmack wrote:
Diogenes wrote:
BSmack wrote:Why not gang rape Haliburton employees and then cover it up?

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?id=3977702&page=1
Damn! That's some pretty serious shit. Maybe they should investigate that?
FTFY

What makes you think they aren't?

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:14 pm

Martyred wrote:
Goober McTuber wrote: You regularly take lengthy hiatuses...
He didn't want to go to rehab...

...no,no,no...

Are you kidding? With all of the disfunctional chicks there with there guards completely down?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:17 am

Diogenes wrote:With all of the disfunctional chicks there with there guards completely down?[/b]

Maybe you should look into a rehab program for your English skills.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:33 am

Dimsdale with nothing better than spellcheck 'smack'?

How shocking.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:39 am

That's all you rate.

You're dismissed.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:42 am

Why is everyone stealing KCPork's material?

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:46 am

Diogenes wrote:Not like the British Judicial system cares.

And BTW...

Since I'm trying to help you grow a little intellectually (the phrase "tough road to hoe" comes to mind), rather than point out the unmitigated hilarity here, I'll let you figure it out on your own.

But I'll give you a hint: Canada hasn't been part of the British Empire for quite some time now.

Holy fucking uneducated retards, Batman.

Dr_Phibes · Post by **Dr_Phibes** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:49 am

What else do you bring but spell check smack?

You're mildly dyslexic. Your posts are unintelligible, any point you try and make is completely lost - it's very difficult to know what you're trying to communicate.
And posting in bold doesn't compensate, it only draws attention to it. I honestly don't know why you bother.

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:52 am

Diogenes wrote:Why is everyone stealing KCPork's material?

That's all you rate.

You're dismissed.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:56 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Diogenes wrote:Not like the British Judicial system cares.

And BTW...

Since I'm trying to help you grow a little intellectually (the phrase "tough road to hoe" comes to mind), rather than point out the unmitigated hilarity here, I'll let you figure it out on your own.

But I'll give you a hint: Canada hasn't been part of the British Empire for quite some time now.

Thanks for the update. BTW...

Last year, on a trolley car in London, a 96-year-old man was punched in the face and blinded in one eye. His 44-year- old attacker had boarded the crowded tram, tried to push past Mr. Chaudhury in the aisle and become enraged by the nonagenarian's insufficient haste in moving out of the way. "You bastard!" he snarled, and slugged him.

When exactly did they move London, genius?

You should probably stick to the spellcheck 'smack'.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:04 am

Oh, dude...

you aren't actually under the impression that anyone here ever makes it more than one line into any of your posts, are you?

Please say "yes"... it would be the funniest thing you've ever said on these boards, ten times over.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:12 am

Nothing would be as funny as you lecturing anyone on reading comprehension.

Or anything but how to win a spelling bee, for that matter.

Idiot.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:17 am

Diogenes wrote:Idiot

Says the guy who thinks "differance" and "disfunctional" are words, and didn't catch that whole "there, their, they're" thing back in 4th grade.

Priceless.

Graduate grade school before you start questioning the intelligence of others, champ.

Because in all honesty and sincerity, you come across as by far the least intelligent person who posts on this site. That ain't smack, it's the honest-to-goodness truth... and that's no easy task, what with people like FatPaul and Jack around.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:23 am

Dinsdale wrote:

Still a takeless twat.

And for the record, there are people on this site who can actually follow the point Steyn is making in the article. Not everyone is as braindead as you and your fellow anklebiters. And I obviously could care less what you losers 'think' or post.

Dismissed, Bitch.

Dinsdale · Post by **Dinsdale** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:32 am

Diogenes wrote:And I obviously could care less what you losers 'think' or post.

Tears, Jerry... tears.

NOW do you see why having decent command of the language is a good thing?

Cuda · Post by **Cuda** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:54 am

Diogenes wrote:Why is everyone stealing KCPork's material?

Their not stealing it, they're stealing it back

Goober McTuber · Post by **Goober McTuber** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:56 am

Dinsdale wrote:
Diogenes wrote:Idiot

Says the guy who thinks "differance" and "disfunctional" are words, and didn't catch that whole "there, their, they're" thing back in 4th grade.

Priceless.

Graduate grade school before you start questioning the intelligence of others, champ.

Because in all honesty and sincerity, you come across as by far the least intelligent person who posts on this site. That ain't smack, it's the honest-to-goodness truth... and that's no easy task, what with people like FatPaul and Jack around.

Bingo.

Blitzen · Post by **Blitzen** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:52 am

Ponderous, FUCKING ponderous!!!

Sad to say that there wasn't a good post in this thread till now.

Why don't you fucking slackjawed faggots off yourselves. And don't forget to delete all your posts first!

smackaholic · Post by **smackaholic** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:09 am

toss a rack out to one of the RTs and this is what we get for an encore?

can i return that rack without a receipt?

Dasher · Post by **Dasher** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:02 pm

i put a hoof to the face
of old fucks any chance --
i get !!

those amigo-driving bastards
only slow me down.

blue hairs will die
in CNY --
on the eve of christmas !!!

Donder · Post by **Donder** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:33 pm

oh hell yes they will!!!

superglue warren as
a hood ornament --
slam down some beast
and get froggy.

go pimp ride with
Nat King Cole 8 tracking it

mow down blue hairs
on the sidewalk!!