Intense Global interest in U.S. presidential politics

[War Wagon]

Hell Goobs, I have to vote for the GOP candidate just to cancel out my own damn wife's vote, nevermind Bri's vote. Politics is always a touchy subject around the Wags doublewide. I try to avoid it.

But since Missouri is considered a "bellweather" state that always goes to the eventual winner, while NY always goes to the dems, I tend to think that my vote may mean a bit more.

[RadioFan]

Yes, of course. It is vitally important that you choose which of the four socialist frontrunners you would like to pick your pocket.

Don't like Democracy? FUCK YOU. LEAVE ALREADY, WILL YOU!??

Just thought I'd throw a little American "pride" in there.

Btw, can you show me where Argentina is? I heard there's a cool show on TV about it. Hold on ... I'll get back to you later. American Idol is on, damn it. LEAVE ME ALONE.

[Nishlord]

To Britons, history's most popular postwar presidents were Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton because of their perceived levelheadedness and intelligence, said Dunleavy. The most despised? President Bush and Ronald Reagan "because they were seen as erratic and unpredictable," he said.

Poor stupid fuckers.

Don't feel sorry for us. We could have been you, for example.

The intense global interest is partly because the whole process is extremely entertaining and utterly fucking bonkers.

[poptart]

Tuesday is a lot more important than Sunday.

Yes, of course. It is vitally important that you choose which of the four socialist frontrunners you would like to pick your pocket.

Two of the socialists (Romney and Obama) are window dressing.
Tuesday will sweep 'em to the curb.

Hitlery v. McCain

A far left wacko who tries to paint herself as a moderate v. a liberal who's trying to paint himself as a moderate conservative.

A third party candidate who is TRULY conservative (??hello Ron Paul??) might draw decent numbers (10% tops, perhaps) in the national election ...... but so what?

It's not a winner, and it'll only serve to take votes away from the lesser liberal -- McCain.



Bottom Line
America is fucked

[Diogenes]

Hitlery v. McCain

A far left wacko who tries to paint herself as a moderate v. a liberal who's trying to paint himself as a moderate conservative.

Niether one would have a chance without losers like you and mvscum. So far McRINO hasn't won a majority in a single state, or a plurality of conservatives anywhere. It's the cut-off-my-nose-to-spite-my-face crowd that has him in the lead.


Face it, a vote for Paul, or for the Huckster, or sitting on your ass tuesday is a vote for McRINO.

And for you anti-abortion whacks, it's also a vote against roe v. wade being overturned.

[BSmack]

Two of the socialists (Romney and Obama) are window dressing.
Tuesday will sweep 'em to the curb.

Not if Obama Girl has anything to say about it.

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[Diogenes]

No, it's losers like you who deserve McRINO. Or Hitlery. Or Osama.

If you refuse to stand for the best, you deserve the worst.

[Diogenes]

The best? Are you out of your fucking mind?

Possibly. But at least I'm not a ignorant clueless POS like you.

[Diogenes]

http://www.nysun.com/article/70686

A McClinton Consenus
By MARK STEYN
February 4, 2008


President McCain? Or Queen Hillary? Henry Kissinger said about the Iran/Iraq war that it's a shame they both can't lose. Conservatives have a slightly different problem: It's a shame that neither of them will lose — that, regardless of who takes the oath come January '09, the harmonious McCain-Clinton consensus policies on illegal immigration and Big Government solutions to global warming will prevail. Where's Neither-Of-The-Above when you need him?

Alas, the only Neither-Of-The-Above in the offing is New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, whose candidacy would shake things up only insofar as we'd all suddenly be demanding: Okay, where's None-Of-The-Above when you need him? Mayor Bloomberg is a former Democrat, former Republican, and current Independent, if by "Independent" you mean "Man who agrees with the conventional wisdom on illegal immigration, global warming, health care and everything else."

Democracies get the political leaders they deserve, and that's particularly true in the United States, where the primary system allows rank-and-file citizens to choose not merely which party to vote for (as in Britain, Canada and Europe) but also which individuals will be the candidates of those parties. True, it helps to be wealthy — up to a point. But it wasn't enough for John Edwards, the curiously unconvincing "angry populist" muttering darkly that "they" would never stop him telling the truth about nine-year old girls shivering without a winter coat because daddy had been laid off at the mill. "They" didn't need to stop him. The champion of America's mythical Coatless Girl laid himself off last week. High on a hill, the Lonely Coatherd suddenly realized he was yodeling to himself.

Yet Senator Edwards can't even claim the consolation prize of Most Inept Candidate of 2008. The Rudy Giuliani campaign went from national frontrunner to total collapse so spectacularly that they'll be teaching it in Candidate School as a cautionary tale for decades to come. As each state's date with destiny loomed, Giuliani retreated, declining to compete in Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, Nevada, South Carolina. "America's Mayor" turned out to be Hizzoner of a phantom jurisdiction — a national frontrunner but a single-digit asterisk in any state where any actual voters were actually voting.

Giuliani's fate unnerves me because, unlike the Coatless One, Rudy had the support of a lot of my columnar confreres: John Podhoretz, editor of Commentary; Andy McCarthy and Lisa Schiffren at National Review; and David Frum, author of the new book Comeback: Conservatism That Can Win Again. Yet he backed a candidate who took off and barely cleared the perimeter fence before nosediving into the sod. Rudy's views on abortion were always going to be a deal-breaker for a key segment of the Republican base. And his views on gun control were likewise beyond the pale for another big faction. That didn't leave much except his clean-up of New York (whose problems were blessedly alien to Iowa and New Hampshire) and, more recently, his "war on terror" credentials, which boils down to his marvelous performance on 9/11 barreling through the dust-choked streets of Lower Manhattan and showing leadership amidst the chaos — plus a splendid coda a couple of weeks later when he told some unsavory Saudi prince to take his gazillion-dollar donation and shove it. Every malign check from the House of Saud ought to meet the same fate: perhaps we could have a constitutional amendment to that effect.

As for his performance on September 11th, well, yes, he was good and he was effective on a day when so many agencies of government, at least at the federal level, had failed spectacularly — FAA, INS, FBI, CIA, all the fancypants money-no-object acronyms, none of whose mediocrities paid any political price for their failures. If you want a typical 9/11 performance, consider this official transcript:

"FAA Command Center: 'Do we want to think about scrambling aircraft?'

"FAA Headquarters: 'God, I don't know.'

"FAA Command Center: 'That's a decision somebody's going to have to make, probably in the next 10 minutes.'

"FAA Headquarters: 'You know, everybody just left the room.'"

A year earlier, Rudy had been in full public meltdown. His wife found out she was heading for divorcee status from a mayoral press conference. But, unlike so many public officials on 9/11, in his rendezvous with history, Rudy Giuliani rose to the occasion. You would hope that would not be so exceptional, but apparently it is. In contrast to the moral clarity Rudy showed in returning the Saudi check, the repugnant Mayor of London, after the 2005 Tube bombings, artfully attempted to draw a distinction between Muslim terrorists blowing up his own public transit (which he didn't approve of) and Muslim terrorists blowing up Israeli public transit (which he was inclined to be sympathetic to). In contrast to Giuliani's take-charge attitude, the incompetent boob presiding over New Orleans, Ray Nagin, raged as wildly as Katrina: "To those who would criticize, where the hell were you?" roared Mayor Culpa, pointing the finger in all directions. "Where the hell were you?" In a town you're not the mayor of, happily.

If Rudy's performance was "exceptional," that's less a reflection on him than on the general standards of officialdom. It seems odd to me that so many experts would expect the "America's Mayor" pitch to outpunch abortion and guns with the Republican base. 9/11 will be seven years old by Election Day 2008. A lot of voters have moved on, including a lot of Republican voters. And many of those Republican voters who still regard the forces unleashed that day as an ongoing threat want something different from the Orange Alert remove-your-shoes security-state approach. If this is a "long war," as the Administration took to calling it, "America's Mayor" seemed in large part to embody an early phase that has already receded into history.

Another colleague of mine, Michael Ledeen, suggests that the rise of McCain through New Hampshire, South Carolina and Florida indicates that for many voters "the war" is still the issue, because, after all, what else has the Senator got going for him? Surely, it's not his global warming hysteria or illegal immigration amnesty or demonization of capitalism. It's because he's Mister Surge.

Well, maybe. The Senator is an eloquent defender of the U.S. armed forces. A President McCain will not permit a military defeat in Iraq. But it's not clear to me he has much of a strategic vision for the ideological struggle, for the real long-term battlefield in the mosques and madrassahs of Pakistan and Indonesia and western Europe. McCain's lead is no evidence of popular commitment to "the long war," and, absent any surprising developments, this will not be a war election.

The Clintons are nothing if not lucky, and Hillary must occasionally be enjoying a luxury-length cackle at the thought of being pitted against a 71-year old "maverick" whose record seems designed to antagonize just enough of the base into staying home on election day. In the 2000 campaign season, running in a desultory fashion for the New York Senate seat, Rudy Giuliani waged a brief half-hearted campaign just long enough to leave the Republican Party with no one to run against Hillary except a candidate who wasn't up to the job. Has he managed to do the same this time round?

[Cuda]

I thought Japan was "the land of the rising sun". :?

It's a house, dumbfuck, and it's in New Orleans

[War Wagon]

poptart moved to N'awlins from Houston?

Curiouser and curiouser.

[Goober McTuber]

Hey Willie, do you see anything that looks familiar on this page?

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[Goober McTuber]

Hmmm, I thought you might recognize this lady:

[Cuda]

Is that Mrs. R-Jack, or Mrs. Shrubber?

[Goober McTuber]

Is that Mrs. R-wet-brained fucktard, or Mrs. Shrubber?

I believe it’s Castor Troy’s Fugly Wife.

[Cuda]

All horse-faces look alike to me.

[Diogenes]

Hmmm, I thought you might recognize this lady:

Nice web site...


Sue Spataro, RN, BSN
creator of HotFlash!
a little bit about the HotFlash philosophy and me

Welcome to HotFlash!
THE perimenopause and menopause online support group
This special group was created as a safe haven...

for women to share and learn from each other. We discuss many women's health topics in addition to perimenopause and menopause. I am so glad that you have decided to join us!






...freak.

[Goober McTuber]

Hmmm, I thought you might recognize this lady:

Nice web site...


Sue Spataro, RN, BSN
creator of HotFlash!
a little bit about the HotFlash philosophy and me

Welcome to HotFlash!
THE perimenopause and menopause online support group
This special group was created as a safe haven...

for women to share and learn from each other. We discuss many women's health topics in addition to perimenopause and menopause. I am so glad that you have decided to join us!






...freak.

Dude! They’ve got a message board. We could, like, totally troll it and stuff.

[Diogenes]

I'd rather go and fuck with the Stormfront losers again.

Menopausal broads are too scarry.

[Dinsdale]

We could, like, totally troll it and stuff.

A site for menopausal women?

Uhm, you guys wouldn't be "trolling."

[Goober McTuber]

Menopausal broads are too scarry.

They probably shouldn’t have sharp instruments, then.

[warren]

[quote="RadioFan"]Btw, can I get a collective groan from all of you "all I wanna do is watch the Super Bowl to see if it's a good game, and have plenty of Velveeta" idiots:

Tuesday is a lot more important than Sunday.

You might want to actually read the story Wags posted above. Our system, despite its flaws, is pretty good.

Special bonus: Some Rush lyrics, from the album, Hold Your Fire, and the song, "Prime Mover"

The point of the journey, is not to arrive.

I don't really give a shyte about the world view on a bunch of crap assed candidates, however, the Rush lyrics, "The Mission" would be fine.

p.s. our system is fine, it's just the uninformed dickweeds like the canuckians and packi's don't get it, and if we end with a barack osama or a hillary or even a hero like mcan't give up when he needs to this whole world is in trouble. I've been wrong on more than one occasion in the booth, but this group of grommet loser may cause my first non-vote. Sorry mormon dude, but you don't it either. Very sceptical about this usual suspect of losers.

Where's fred thompson when you need him? :rolling eyes: from here to malaysia.

Luckily I'm old, have no kids, and hope only the jaguars survive.

Fuck the roaches.

[warren]

By the way, no offense to the cool ass guys that offer up this format, but it sucks.

I'll gladly tip the hat check girl when I'm bounced.

w.

[Goober McTuber]

By the way, no offense to the cool ass guys that offer up this format, but it sucks.

You know, you do have the option of toggling it back to the old format.

[PSUFAN]

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[Terry in Crapchester]

Btw, can I get a collective groan from all of you "all I wanna do is watch the Super Bowl to see if it's a good game, and have plenty of Velveeta" idiots:

Tuesday is a lot more important than Sunday.

The polls open here at noon. My polling place is four doors down from my office.

I plan on leaving about ten minutes early so that I can be the very first to vote. 1/20/09 can't possibly come soon enough for me.

[BSmack]

The polls open here at noon. My polling place is four doors down from my office.

I plan on leaving about ten minutes early so that I can be the very first to vote. 1/20/09 can't possibly come soon enough for me.

I'm debating taking a long lunch to get to my polling place. Beating the crowds early this PM sounds a whole lot better than being stuck in line this evening. This is the first time a Democratic Presidential Primary has mattered in NY since 1992.

[War Wagon]

The weather may put a damper on some peoples plans to vote today. Rain, ice, snow all day long here and elsewhere. RACK the hard core fukkers who go out and vote anyway.

[BSmack]

The weather may put a damper on some peoples plans to vote today. Rain, ice, snow all day long here and elsewhere. RACK the hard core fukkers who go out and vote anyway.

If you let the weather dictate if you vote, you are a fucking loser. It's not like we're using horse and buggies to get to the polls.

[OCmike]

I night have remembered it, you know, if I had actually said it.

I recall you saying this as well, and I'm no Fresno lush. I know, "link"?

Less spending time over hunting your post down, since I don't remember your exact words, but they were something to that effect.

[BSmack]

I night have remembered it, you know, if I had actually said it.

I recall you saying this as well, and I'm no Fresno lush. I know, "link"?

Less spending time over hunting your post down, since I don't remember your exact words, but they were something to that effect.

What I might have said was that you could certainly discount the chances of certain candidates because of low funding.

For example, a candidate like Huckabee, even with low name recognition and low funds, might be able to compete in a state like Iowa. But translating that campaign to the national stage then becomes problematic because the money to compete for airtime becomes critical and you can't raise it fast enough.

[Cuda]

This is the first time a Democratic Presidential Primary has mattered in NY since 1992.

Gives you a boner, doesn't it?

I hope they have smelling salts at the polling station in case you swoon with a touch of the vapors

[War Wagon]

If you let the weather dictate if you vote, you are a fucking loser. It's not like we're using horse and buggies to get to the polls.

Sure thing, B_Postman.

Meanwhile, a large % of those who actually vote are the elderly who simply can't get out in bad weather.

[War Wagon]

Btw, can I get a collective groan from all of you "all I wanna do is watch the Super Bowl to see if it's a good game, and have plenty of Velveeta" idiots:

Tuesday is a lot more important than Sunday.

The polls open here at noon. My polling place is four doors down from my office.

I plan on leaving about ten minutes early so that I can be the very first to vote. 1/20/09 can't possibly come soon enough for me.

So you can replace one sack of shit with another sack of shit?

Yeeehaw - I guess.

Said the apathetic dipshit who does nothing but complain about the state of the nation, but doesn't get involved with the process of actually changing things for the better by at least making the effort to vote..

Just piss and moan, and then let others make your decisions for you. That's the ticket.

[BSmack]

If you let the weather dictate if you vote, you are a fucking loser. It's not like we're using horse and buggies to get to the polls.

Sure thing, B_Postman.

Meanwhile, a large % of those who actually vote are the elderly who simply can't get out in bad weather.

I'm not sure how they do things in KC, but here in Rochester, anybody who wants to get to the polls need only place a call to their party HQ and a ride will be forthcoming. Also, I am absolutely certain that all of the major campaigns have some kind of Get Out The Vote ride to the polls program. I've worked on these programs for both candidates and my local county Democratic Committee. They are basic building blocks of any GOTV program and their existence means blaming either the weather or lack of transport for your failure to vote is absolute bullshit.

[War Wagon]

Our "system" is failing.

No, it isn't.

Nice childish rant, though. At least you show a bit of passion and concern. You know that you're just as free to run for public office as any of the candidates you so despise, don't you?

[War Wagon]

The act of voting does not, in and of itself, change things for the better.

Of course, but that wasn't the point. The point is that if you don't bother to get involved by at least making the minimal effort that it takes to vote, you have no reason to complain about anything.

And if you think it can't get any worse than Chimpy, you had better fucking think again.

Of that I'm convinced.

I voted for Huckabee, even though I know he has little chance. However, he's the person I distrust the least.

[War Wagon]

Again - find us somebody worth a fuck to vote for and I'll do it.

Who's your "perfect" candidate?

Maybe you should have been out beating the bushes trying to find this mythical person a year ago and conscripting said person to run.

It's a little late to have any other realistic choices. At this time, you've got 4, maybe 5.

I have little patience for your weak argument that "they all suck". It's like bitching about the teams that made the Super Bowl because you don't like either one. Pick your poison, get off your ass and go vote, or STFU.

Hell, vote for Ron Paul. Or don't, but say you did. At least you'll score some points with Dins.

[War Wagon]

Actually, if you are truly committed to making a positive change, you would stop paying taxes.

Huckabee wants to abolish the IRS, so I guess that'd be a start.

[War Wagon]

Do you honestly think Huckabee would stand a chance in fucking hell of getting rid of the IRS?

About the same chance he has of getting elected. Still, I'd love to see that.