Smokers are FUBAR

[trev]

Now, the OUTSIDE concourse?

Not in our stadium.

* The Stadium is 100% smoke free. Smoking is prohibited in the seating bowl, on the concourses, in restrooms and in the luxury suites. There are three smoking sections. Two on the plaza level on the east end of the Stadium at Gates O1 and O2 and a third smoking section which is located on the west end of the plaza level at Gate E. Adherence to this policy will be strictly enforced.

Sorry. :)

[socal]

I haven't been able to light up inside a stadium (indor OR outdoor) at a ball game since the early- to mid- 90s, bro.

Now, the OUTSIDE concourse? Hug the wall and deal with that smell if you're offended. Just like you can go fuck yourself if you're offended because I decide to have sauerkraut on my really bad stadium bratwurst, and you don't want to smell it. You may not believe it, but a steady stream of that Godawful rancid shit will kill you quicker than any outside second-hand smoke wiff, in a heartbeat. Hell, us smokers LIGHT UP, just to get rid of that smell. We're doing you a FAVOR.

Cancer sticks decline inversely proportional to fatasses?

Good point. I have nothing to back that up whatsoever, except for what's happened in this country over the last 20 years. Maybe the kids out in Kali aren't fat, but they are everywhere else.

At the US/Sweden friendly, not one but two polesmokers light up about five rows in front. WTF? This isn't fucking Europe. "Dude, what's with the cigarette?" He pretends not to hear given the "passionate" SoCal soccer contingent surrounding us. "Put out your cigarette!" Sheepishly he looks around and takes one last drag before stomping it out.

Yes, kids are fatasses here, too. They're also asthmatic.

Look, we have enough particulate in the air from our cars. You can save hella money just picking up stakes and moving here.

[War Wagon]

"Wheeze Wagon" is a keeper, btw

ouch.

Suddenly, I'm liking "Whitey" better.

[bbqjones]

you can smoke anywhere @ lambeau field.

al harris resets will not be read.

[PSUFAN]

You're going on profanity-laced tirades and nobody's even provoking you

...and rack you. We need a few more profanity-laced tirades up in here. If you want to stick your lungs on a spit for the slow roast, so we can laugh at your indignant yelps, then be our guests.

[Diogenes]

You have it exactly backwards.

You're going on profanity-laced tirades and nobody's even provoking you.

Profanity-laced tirades? On this board?

Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Fatasses.

[Goober McTuber]

Around 20% of Americans smoke, and that's down considerably from 20-30 years ago. I wish I hadn't ever started, but having the addictive personality that I do, well, that's just how it is.

You know what's amusing? That hardly anybody here will admit they smoke, just those who are former smokers who now say they've quit.

There's 1 in 5 folks reading this who smoke, but the stigma is now so great, they're ashamed to admit it.

Oh well, at least we're driving up Jimmy Meds health care cost. We've got that going for us.

Wrong again, Whitey Wheeze Wagon:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health ... 8359.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Diogenes]

Around 20% of Americans smoke, and that's down considerably from 20-30 years ago. I wish I hadn't ever started, but having the addictive personality that I do, well, that's just how it is.

You know what's amusing? That hardly anybody here will admit they smoke, just those who are former smokers who now say they've quit.

There's 1 in 5 folks reading this who smoke, but the stigma is now so great, they're ashamed to admit it.

Oh well, at least we're driving up Jimmy Meds health care cost. We've got that going for us.

Wrong again, Whitey Wheeze Wagon:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health ... 8359.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why do smoke nazis hate America?

At least the fat ones have the courtesy to die early though. Props for that.

[War Wagon]

Around 20% of Americans smoke, and that's down considerably from 20-30 years ago. I wish I hadn't ever started, but having the addictive personality that I do, well, that's just how it is.

You know what's amusing? That hardly anybody here will admit they smoke, just those who are former smokers who now say they've quit.

There's 1 in 5 folks reading this who smoke, but the stigma is now so great, they're ashamed to admit it.

Oh well, at least we're driving up Jimmy Meds health care cost. We've got that going for us.

Wrong again, Whitey Wheeze Wagon:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health ... 8359.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That article has nothing to do with my point, dumbfuck.

[Goober McTuber]

Oh well, at least we're driving up Jimmy Meds health care cost. We've got that going for us.

Wrong again, Whitey Wheeze Wagon:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/health ... 8359.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

That article has nothing to do with my point, dumbfuck.

Oh, is that right, you nicotine-addled tard?

In a paper published online yesterday in the Public Library of Science Medicine journal, Dutch researchers found that the health costs of thin and healthy people in adulthood are higher than those of fat people or smokers.

BTW, I quit smoking late 1999. Pack a day smoker for almost 30 years. I’m very opposed to the smoking ban in bars.

[RumpleForeskin]

I’m very opposed to the smoking ban in bars.

Fuck off, Goobs

[BSmack]

I’m very opposed to the smoking ban in bars.

Fuck off, Goobs

Typical health Nazi.

[Goober McTuber]

I’m very opposed to the smoking ban in bars.

Fuck off, Goobs

Even more so if it keeps pantywaists like you out of them.

[War Wagon]

BTW, I quit smoking late 1999. Pack a day smoker for almost 30 years. I’m very opposed to the smoking ban in bars.

Well good for you. Reformed smokers are usually the most intolerant of the anti-smoking crusaders. Same with drinkers.

Speaking for myself, there's no way I could quit smoking unless I quit drinking first. Been there, done that, and decided that I enjoyed drinking and smoking more than not drinking and smoking.

[BSmack]

Speaking for myself, there's no way I could quit smoking unless I quit drinking first. Been there, done that, and decided that I enjoyed drinking and smoking more than not drinking and smoking.

I hear ya Wags. Beer and smokes just go together.

But I'm still curious how you find the raw time to choke down 2 packs a day. Are you able to smoke at work in KC? I've found smoking at work to be counterproductive. You have to leave your desk, hike clear to the other side of the building and stand outside in the cold. Furthermore, I don't feel like having to repaint the walls in my house every year, so smoking in the home is out. Pretty much the only time I smoke is on weekends when I go out to the bar (rack mostly enclosed decks), if I'm drinking on the golf course or visiting friends who smoke in their house (a rarity these days). I'd say I'm down to about 1 to 2 packs a week. And that's going to drop WAY down once 'lil BSmack makes his first appearance.

[Goober McTuber]

BTW, I quit smoking late 1999. Pack a day smoker for almost 30 years. I’m very opposed to the smoking ban in bars.

Well good for you. Reformed smokers are usually the most intolerant of the anti-smoking crusaders.

I think that the reformed smokers who become the really shrill anti-smoking zealots are the ex-smokers who wish they were still smoking, and feel tempted every time they get a whiff of second-hand smoke. I don’t feel that way, I truly the enjoy the distinct smell of a cigarette when it’s initially lit. But I made a decision that I wanted to be around as long as possible for my grandchildren so I quit. Before I even had a grandchild.

I occasionally think I’d enjoy a cigarette when I’m hunting or fishing, but that’s about it. I do agree with a smoking ban in restaurants. People should be able to enjoy their food without having to smell cigarettes.

As for the bars, it should be up to the owner. If so many people are in favor of smoke-free taverns, somebody would have opened one up in advent of the smoking bans, and made a killing. Fact is, somebody tried just exactly that about 15 years ago in Madison and the place almost went under till the owner changed his mind.

[OCmike]

25 years ago you used to be able to smoke in just about any normal public place. Now some people are being told they can't even smoke in their own apartments. I'd say there's some provocation there.

Nor should you be able to smoke in an apartment. It's borrowed property, not owned property. Do you have any idea how hard it is to rent out an apartment after a regular (say, a pack a day) smoker has been living there and puffing away for a year or more? In addition, they have to repaint all of the walls and ceiling to cover up the tar, and replace the carpet (cig smoke laughs at shampooers), costing them well above and beyond the deposit amount. If they don't want to go to those lengths, 4 out of 5 people won't want to rent the place because it fucking stinks.

Well good for you. Reformed smokers are usually the most intolerant of the anti-smoking crusaders. Same with drinkers.

I used to smoke about a pack a day from age 18 to 28. Now, other than if I'm just passing a smoker on the sidewalk, the shit gives me a splitting headache, so yeah, I'm all for the smoking bans in public places, but not out of some misguided hypocritical principle bullshit.

I also have a very addictive personality, and my philosiphy is that if *I* can quit, anyone can quit. So less sympathy for smokers anymore. I don't begrudge anyone their vices though, as long as I'm not subjected to it. As long as smokers keep to the designated areas in stadiums, workplaces, etc, I don't have a problem with it. I remember how bad the urges were to smoke one an hour or so, so I empathize with them a bit.

Speaking for myself, there's no way I could quit smoking unless I quit drinking first. Been there, done that, and decided that I enjoyed drinking and smoking more than not drinking and smoking.

The day I decided to quit, I went to the smokiest bar in town (I was in Minnesota at the time, so all bars allowed smoking) and spent the whole night there, figuring that if I could handle THAT kind of torture, that I could handle quitting. I did it, even though it was a bitch, and I used that to motivate myself from then on. i.e. "If I could handle not having a cigarette that night, then I don't need one today", etc. I also started going for long walks and rollerblading a few miles several times a week, so that I could get all of that shit out of my lungs. I also knew that the more I cleaned out my lungs, the less I'd be able to handle going back to smoking.

The main reason that I decided to quit is that (even though I didn't have any at the time), I decided that I wanted to see my kids and grandkids grow up and didn't want to die in my 50's, like my Mom's Dad did due to a pack a day habit with Lucky Strikes. I knew that if I kept smoking into my 30's that I'd probably never stop.

Anywho, best thing I ever did. Not having that monkey on my back and that drain on my wallet is a great feeling.

[RumpleForeskin]

So what. So I am the type of guy who wants to enjoy the "atmosphere" of a local bar where I can eat some greasy wings and drink a tall Shiner while playing a little Golden Tee and cheering for my favorite team on the big screen without rubbing my eyes every 10 seconds.

How fucking hard is it for the lung darters to go to a bar and sideline the urge of burning a heater while they drink their drink and eat their food?

Call me a health nazi, but I don't pay my hard earned money to a fun night in a bar just so I can go the bathroom every five minutes to wash my eyes out and then come home smelling like a circa 1984 newsroom. It just doesn't stop there; the smell gets in my car, my clothes, hair, shoes, etc.. I get home. Can I sit down? No. My ass has to strip down throw my garments into the laundry and take a long, hot shower. That shit ain't fun when you've had one too many.

[OCmike]

I occasionally think I’d enjoy a cigarette when I’m hunting or fishing, but that’s about it. I do agree with a smoking ban in restaurants. People should be able to enjoy their food without having to smell cigarettes.

Once in awhile I remember how much I'd enjoy smoking sometimes, but then remember all of the times that I hated it and couldn't quit no matter how hard I tried. Pretty much takes care of any nostalgic moment I might be having.

As for the bars, it should be up to the owner. If so many people are in favor of smoke-free taverns, somebody would have opened one up in advent of the smoking bans, and made a killing. Fact is, somebody tried just exactly that about 15 years ago in Madison and the place almost went under till the owner changed his mind.

I guess it depends on the area. It's been a smashing success in the People's Republic of CA. The 80% of the population that doesn't smoke all of a sudden showed up in bars with cash in hand and bar owners in general made a mint.

I'll give you a specific example, rather than just generalize... There's a restaurant in Winters,CA (a small po-dunk NoCal town) about 30 or so miles from Sacramento, called "The Buckhorn". It's been known for decades to have the most incredible steaks around. Problem was, they also had a full bar right in the restaurant area where just about everyone sitting on a stool had a heater blazed up. Eating dinner in that place was like working in a coal mine...the only thing missing was a parakeet in a cage.

When CA adopted the smoking ban in restaurants and bars, the owners of The Buckhorn were one of the loudest voices in opposition of the new law, stating that they'd be out of business in six months or less. Turned out the complete opposite happened. Since the ban, you can't get a seat in that place, as all of the non-smokers have returned to get a slab of their famous steaks. That place is constantly packed now and you can forget about trying to get in there without a reservation, especially on a Friday or Saturday night.

Admittedly though, in small town USA areas like Wisconsin or Minnesota, where a significant part of the population smokes, bans might not go over so well...initally at least.

[War Wagon]

But I'm still curious how you find the raw time to choke down 2 packs a day. Are you able to smoke at work in KC?

I work in a welding fabrication shop, there are waaay more harmful fumes being produced than any from cigs. That said, they banned smoking from the shop floor about 10 years ago. Now we have to go to little room they set aside for the smokers. Being as how in my job duties I'm not tied to a desk or a machine (or a forklift), I can pretty much smoke whenever I want, which is quite often.

Two packs a day is a stretch, though. More like a a pack and half. I was exaggerating for the effect. Just like I don't really drink a case of beer a day. Just a 12 pack.

[BSmack]

25 years ago you used to be able to smoke in just about any normal public place. Now some people are being told they can't even smoke in their own apartments. I'd say there's some provocation there.

Nor should you be able to smoke in an apartment. It's borrowed property, not owned property. Do you have any idea how hard it is to rent out an apartment after a regular (say, a pack a day) smoker has been living there and puffing away for a year or more? In addition, they have to repaint all of the walls and ceiling to cover up the tar, and replace the carpet (cig smoke laughs at shampooers), costing them well above and beyond the deposit amount. If they don't want to go to those lengths, 4 out of 5 people won't want to rent the place because it fucking stinks.

Most apartment complexes paint the walls whether a smoker lived there or not. So that's a bullshit point. If you're renting a place out, you paint the fucking walls. That is, if you want the place to rent anytime soon.

As for the carpet, let the person pay a little extra in their rent to cover the cost of replacing the carpet. Oh wait, they already HAVE that. It's called a security deposit. Anything above and beyond "normal" wear and tear is covered by that deposit.

[Goober McTuber]

So what. So I am the type of guy who wants to enjoy the "atmosphere" of a local bar where I can eat some greasy wings and drink a tall Shiner while playing a little Golden Tee and cheering for my favorite team on the big screen without rubbing my eyes every 10 seconds.

How fucking hard is it for the lung darters to go to a bar and sideline the urge of burning a heater while they drink their drink and eat their food?

Call me a health nazi, but I don't pay my hard earned money to a fun night in a bar just so I can go the bathroom every five minutes to wash my eyes out and then come home smelling like a circa 1984 newsroom. It just doesn't stop there; the smell gets in my car, my clothes, hair, shoes, etc.. I get home. Can I sit down? No. My ass has to strip down throw my garments into the laundry and take a long, hot shower. That shit ain't fun when you've had one too many.

Shut up, you fucking pansy. It’s a fucking bar. Stay home and drink your wine coolers and Shirley Temples.

Brian,

I have to disagree. Mike is right. You have no right to smoke in someone else’s place. Not to mention the fact that the smoke filters out to common areas as well. I painted apartments for a while for a large complex, and they didn’t always need painting when someone moved out. And a standard security deposit would probably not cover the cost of re-carpeting an entire apartment. You want to smoke at home, buy a place or move to a nearby highway overpass.

[PSUFAN]

Boy, you sound really frickin' generous, Wolfman. Couldn't you at least give her what she used to spend on cigs a week?

RACK your wife for being extraordinarily patient, apparently...and no WONDER you're still sweating BSmacked for $15 after a goddamned decade...did the wife need shoelaces, or something?

[PSUFAN]

Stay home

You really are a cruel bastard, aren't you?

[PSUFAN]

Well good for you. Reformed smokers are usually the most intolerant of the anti-smoking crusaders.

...guilty as charged. Really, though, I don't go all WifeinCrapchester outside of smoking areas. The minute someone whines about not being able to quit...THAT's when I hassle them.

I think that the reformed smokers who become the really shrill anti-smoking zealots are the ex-smokers who wish they were still smoking, and feel tempted every time they get a whiff of second-hand smoke.

...not in my case. I actually detest cigs now. If I sweat someone about their filthy habit, it is because I really believe they'd do well to quit.

Now...if I had to quit drinking, yes, I'd wish I didn't have to...that much I know.

[Voice of Reason]

I personally didn't start smoking till I was 39-

As if we needed any more evidence that you are a complete dumbshit.

[OCmike]

Brian,

I have to disagree. Mike is right. You have no right to smoke in someone else’s place. Not to mention the fact that the smoke filters out to common areas as well. I painted apartments for a while for a large complex, and they didn’t always need painting when someone moved out. And a standard security deposit would probably not cover the cost of re-carpeting an entire apartment. You want to smoke at home, buy a place or move to a nearby highway overpass.

Also, as I'm sure Brian knows, smoking kills the sense of smell. As someone whose nose now works properly again, it doesn't matter how much someone cleans or what they paint over or replace, I can totally tell if a room, apt, etc, has been smoked in.

That aside, what I want to know is how the fuck someone can afford to smoke a pack a day or more nowadays. Don't know what it's like nationwide, but right now in Tejas, it's almost $6.00 for a pack of smokes if sold individually and cartons are over $50.

On that note, one of the best parts about being a smoker in the Navy (save your pole smoker responses...I'm not reading them) was that once you were in international waters, the ship's store would replace all of the CA-taxed cartons of cigs on the shelf with tax free cartons. You could score a carton of Camels, Marlboros, etc for $10 back when they were running almost $30 on shore. Even better was when the ship was about to pull into port. They had to get rid of all of the non-taxed smokes, so they'd have a fire sale and lower the price to $4.00 per carton. Giddyup, some?

[Diogenes]

Brian,

I have to disagree. Mike is right. You have no right to smoke in someone else’s place.

Not if they tell you not to. Just like you can't have your mutts in the house without their wishes. Which is why renters are able to advertize 'no pets' or 'non-smokers only'. But having the government take the decision out of their hands is fucking lame.

And BTW, if you are purchasing a House with a mortgage pending, that place actually belongs to the bank. Should you be forced to smoke outside just in case you default and the smoke odor brings down the property value?

[Diogenes]

I personally didn't start smoking till I was 39-

As if we needed any more evidence that you are a complete dumbshit.

By 'we' you mean the rest of the clueless takeless ankle-biters here?

Cool. BTW, who the fuck are you again?












Oh wait. I still don't give a fuck.

[Diogenes]

That aside, what I want to know is how the fuck someone can afford to smoke a pack a day or more nowadays. Don't know what it's like nationwide, but right now in Tejas, it's almost $6.00 for a pack of smokes if sold individually and cartons are over $50.

If I'm feeling cheap, I can slide down to TJ and skip the 100% per carton taxes. And pick up some tax-free imported booze while I'm at it. If I'm feeling lazier than cheap, there are local smoke shops with Camels about $32-33 a carton.

[PSUFAN]

$32-33 a carton.

Wow...what a bargain!

sin, Chemo

[PSUFAN]

$32-33 a carton.

Why...THAT CHEAP BASTARD!!

sin, Mrs. Wolfman

[BSmack]

Brian,

I have to disagree. Mike is right. You have no right to smoke in someone else’s place.

Not if they tell you not to. Just like you can't have your mutts in the house without their wishes. Which is why renters are able to advertize 'no pets' or 'non-smokers only'. But having the government take the decision out of their hands is fucking lame.

And BTW, if you are purchasing a House with a mortgage pending, that place actually belongs to the bank. Should you be forced to smoke outside just in case you default and the smoke odor brings down the property value?

I can't fucking believe what I am about to do, but rack that shit.

[Diogenes]

Better than the $50/carton in Tejas. But if I gave a shit, it would be $19/carton across the border.

Then again, props for supporting taxes that disproportinately impact the economicly disadvantaged.

Why do you hate poor people?

[Diogenes]

Brian,

I have to disagree. Mike is right. You have no right to smoke in someone else’s place.

Not if they tell you not to. Just like you can't have your mutts in the house without their wishes. Which is why renters are able to advertize 'no pets' or 'non-smokers only'. But having the government take the decision out of their hands is fucking lame.

And BTW, if you are purchasing a House with a mortgage pending, that place actually belongs to the bank. Should you be forced to smoke outside just in case you default and the smoke odor brings down the property value?

I can't fucking believe what I am about to do, but rack that shit.

Damn. Now I know the Apocalypse is just around the corner.

[Goober McTuber]

And BTW, if you are purchasing a House with a mortgage pending, that place actually belongs to the bank. Should you be forced to smoke outside just in case you default and the smoke odor brings down the property value?

The bank does not own the house, it holds a non-possessory security interest in it. Yet another piece of evidence that you are a complete dumbshit.

[Mister Bushice]

BTW, I quit smoking late 1999. Pack a day smoker for almost 30 years. I’m very opposed to the smoking ban in bars.

Well good for you. Reformed smokers are usually the most intolerant of the anti-smoking crusaders.

I think that the reformed smokers who become the really shrill anti-smoking zealots are the ex-smokers who wish they were still smoking, and feel tempted every time they get a whiff of second-hand smoke. I don’t feel that way, I truly the enjoy the distinct smell of a cigarette when it’s initially lit. But I made a decision that I wanted to be around as long as possible for my grandchildren so I quit. Before I even had a grandchild.

I occasionally think I’d enjoy a cigarette when I’m hunting or fishing, but that’s about it. I do agree with a smoking ban in restaurants. People should be able to enjoy their food without having to smell cigarettes.

As for the bars, it should be up to the owner. If so many people are in favor of smoke-free taverns, somebody would have opened one up in advent of the smoking bans, and made a killing. Fact is, somebody tried just exactly that about 15 years ago in Madison and the place almost went under till the owner changed his mind.

Back in my younger days before the smoking ban when I was in bands playing in bars we frequently played at this college bar hang out that was very popular on the weekends. Some of the college kids smoked, but they weren't so bad, they'd light one, and hour or more later another, no big deal.

It was the fucking Euros I hated. Those unwashed dentally challenged bastards would sit as close to the stage as they could, and light up one fucking cigarette after another until there was a cloud around their table and us on stage. They would crush one out while reaching to light up the next one, and they'd do that all night, every one of them.

I could feel the effects their smoke had on my singing voice. I knew that a table full of euros meant I'd be inhaling a ton of smoke, and that it would be difficult to sing the higher range songs later on. Happened every time.

Vegas has a pretty good exhaust system to minimize smoke, but I can't stand going to the Indian casinos in Cali. We used to go quite a bit to hear music and do a little gambling but since they are the only places smokers can go to drink, smoke gamble and eat, the smoke hangs like a fog cloud in some of them, and maybe it's because I've gotten used to the non smoking clubs, but I just don't enjoy it anymore, plus I'm not interested in the free gift of second hand smoke.

The indian casinos "accommodate" non smokers by having a "Smoke free" section, which usually just consists of the worst one arm bandits in the place shoved into a small room, no tables, and very few people.

[Diogenes]

And BTW, if you are purchasing a House with a mortgage pending, that place actually belongs to the bank. Should you be forced to smoke outside just in case you default and the smoke odor brings down the property value?

The bank does not own the house, it holds a non-possessory security interest in it. Yet another piece of evidence that you are a complete dumbshit.

Try telling them that if you can't make your payments. And if you don't think that the Government won't get around to telling you you can't smoke in your own house eventually, you've never lived in the People's Republic of Kali. Hell, you can't smoke in your back yard in redneck El Cajon.

[Goober McTuber]

And BTW, if you are purchasing a House with a mortgage pending, that place actually belongs to the bank. Should you be forced to smoke outside just in case you default and the smoke odor brings down the property value?

The bank does not own the house, it holds a non-possessory security interest in it. Yet another piece of evidence that you are a complete dumbshit.

Try telling them that if you can't make your payments.

At that point they have legal avenues to pursue to take possession of your house. Until they do that, they still don't own your house, dumbshit.

[BSmack]

Try telling them that if you can't make your payments. And if you don't think that the Government won't get around to telling you you can't smoke in your own house eventually, you've never lived in the People's Republic of Kali. Hell, you can't smoke in your back yard in redneck El Cajon.

Hey, they already tell me I can't smoke pot in my house. Or shoot up heroin. Now they're coming after smokers.

Next up? My money is on KFC Paul's cholesterol levels. By 2020 I'm certain that a bucket of Extra Crispy is going to be a felony.