Cincy Chili

[Goober McTuber]

In fact, I think pp's earlier suggestion that cincy chili on spaghetti is no different than bolognese was spot on. Cincy chili is "closer" to tasting like a bolognese to me than it is to what I would call chili.

I don’t believe she suggested that Cincy Chili tastes like Bolognese. It tastes nothing like a good Bolognese. She was just suggesting that it should be acceptable to combine either one with pasta. Sheesh.

[indyfrisco]

I got that. Sheesh.

[ppanther]

Red Ale is on the short list of things I am going to need to have shortly after having little boy ppanther. OH how I miss beer and wine.

pp, the same reason you laugh at me using Sam's Choice cocoa instead of "Dutch Processed" is where I am coming from.

You're not thinking this through, Indy.

Cocoa can be either dutch processed or not. Either way, it's cocoa. It would be incredibly unreasonable for me to say that Sam's Choice* brand cocoa isn't actually cocoa simply because it's not what I'd choose to use. Also, dutch processed has its place, and so does regular cocoa. I use either depending on the application. So really, the argument you're presenting is working in my favor, not yours... since you're the one who thinks Cincinnati Chili should not be called chili.

In any case, I have had what is considered "Cincy Chili at its best" and wanted to yak it up soon thereafter for the sacrilige of calling that chili.

I don't look at that quote and think "to each their own" -- but clearly I misread?

I don't actually care if you are unwilling to admit that good Cincinnati Chili can exist. However, I would think that someone who has a genuine interest in good food (and cooking said good food) would at least be interested in entertaining the idea. I just think it's funny that you are so emotional about the topic that you tried to 'smack' me with some bizarre left-field reference to ice cubes in beer.

I'm not trying to upset you, Indy. I'm just suggesting that you should open your mind and stop being pretentious to the point of limiting your own experiences.



* Dude, you list each Christmas gift with a price, and you talk about how you could actually use 8,000SF of living space (though I'm pretty certain you don't have 10 kids), but you buy Sam's Choice cocoa?? What'd that save you, 20 cents? And you love to bake cakes, right? Indy, I give you permission... splurge a little! Go for the Hershey's at least!

[indyfrisco]

I was kidding about the Sam's Choice. I was thinking of the lowest common denominator to your previous dutch processed comment after something I had posted.

As for Cincy Chili, I'm fine with whatever you want to call it as long as you throw that "Cincy" disclaimer in front of it. I know what I am used to is generally known as Texas Stly Chili as your friend wiki would tell you.

Kind of like "Oh, you're a KC resident?" As long as you have the disclaimer, you know what you are dealing with. Cincy Chili...KC Folk...some like 'em...most out of the area don't.

And by the way, some of the best ribs I have ever had outside of my own yard I had in Cincy after a Stros/Reds game so I'm not so "Texan-obtuse" to think that only Texans can Q or make chili. As a matter of fact, I think Cincy is one of the nicest, cleanest towns I have been to and that includes the "Don't Mess With Texas" cities of Dallas and Houston. The place is immaculate. They just don't know shit as far as chili is concerned in my book and I am sorry that upsets YOU so much. If I was so pretentious to limit my own experiences, i would not even have tried the "Chili over pasta" that was given to me in the first place. I ate it. I hated it. I would not reccomend it to anyone. It is what is generally served in most local places here too or a similar version of it. It is a regional thing, and it is awful in my book. Then again, some people I know swear by it. That's what you call regional taste.

[Dinsdale]

You didn't think you were getting out of all this regional talk unscathed, did you?

I think Cincy is one of the nicest, cleanest towns I have been to and that includes the "Don't Mess With Texas" cities of Dallas and Houston. The place is immaculate.

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[Goober McTuber]

They just don't know shit as far as chili is concerned in my book and I am sorry that upsets YOU so much. If I was so pretentious to limit my own experiences, i would not even have tried the "Chili over pasta" that was given to me in the first place. I ate it. I hated it. I would not reccomend it to anyone. It is what is generally served in most local places here too or a similar version of it. It is a regional thing, and it is awful in my book. Then again, some people I know swear by it. That's what you call regional taste.

The thing to consider, Indy, is that pasta doesn't have a shitload of flavor. If you hated the Cincy Chili you had, chances are that it was not due to the presence of pasta, but rather to the shittiness of the chili. Maybe you might try pouring some of your own chili over some pasta and see how it tastes. Might I suggest adding some beans first, though?

[indyfrisco]

Please, Dins...Austin is high on that list. In my many times in being to Austin, it is nothing compared to Cincy as far as clean is concerned. I said it was one of the nicest and cleanest towns I have been to. I have not been to "all towns."

What the hell... I know this is a smack board, but I just figured some boards people weren't constant contrarians. I don't like bland chili over noodles and don't consider it what I consider chili! Fuck me!

[indyfrisco]

They just don't know shit as far as chili is concerned in my book and I am sorry that upsets YOU so much. If I was so pretentious to limit my own experiences, i would not even have tried the "Chili over pasta" that was given to me in the first place. I ate it. I hated it. I would not reccomend it to anyone. It is what is generally served in most local places here too or a similar version of it. It is a regional thing, and it is awful in my book. Then again, some people I know swear by it. That's what you call regional taste.

The thing to consider, Indy, is that pasta doesn't have a shitload of flavor. If you hated the Cincy Chili you had, chances are that it was not due to the presence of pasta, but rather to the shittiness of the chili. Maybe you might try pouring some of your own chili over some pasta and see how it tastes. Might I suggest adding some beans first, though?

That's a rational thought and response. And yeah, in that perspective, I'm pretty damn sure my chili would taste good over cow turds. Like I said in my first post in this thread, Cincy Chili is bland based upon the recipe given. It is. And the initial question on this thread was Cincy Chili and my response was that it is bland and at the last second I added my laughter of adding it on top of pasta. Since you are taking sides with pasta, how often do you serve yours over pasta?

[Dinsdale]

Call me an unrefined piece of white trash... because I am...


But as far as what to serve chili on...

Any you motherfuckers ever heard of "hotdogs"?

[indyfrisco]

Call me an unrefined piece of white trash... because I am...


But as far as what to serve chili on...

Any you motherfuckers ever heard of "hotdogs"?

Oh of course. Just make room for the pasta and kidney beans on your dog.

[ppanther]

I was kidding about the Sam's Choice. I was thinking of the lowest common denominator to your previous dutch processed comment after something I had posted.

What comment would that be? The only reason I would recommend using dutch processed cocoa would be if a recipe specifically called for it. You use the Cake Bible and expect good results... well, your best results are going to come from the right ingredients.

That's about it. It still makes no sense that you would bring it up in this thread. Just like it makes no sense for you to suggest adding ice to beer, or try to start a rally behind your coffee comment. Clearly your feathers have been ruffled here, and that wasn't my intention. Obviously I have an opinion on the ridiculous emotional attachment you and some others displayed earlier in this thread, but it's really nothing more than amusement.

I know what I am used to is generally known as Texas Stly Chili as your friend wiki would tell you.

I honestly don't remember the last time I looked up anything on wiki, but you obviously feel the knowledge I've displayed in this thread about Mexican food (and probably specifically about chocolate) is new to me. Just so you know, I have a dead serious thing for good Mole, specifically good Mole made with chocolate. I have also lived within ~100 miles of Mexico for my entire life, and have experienced a LOT of very authentic Mexican food (including various dishes known as chili or chile). Absolutely nothing I posted in this thread was new information to me, except all the parts about Cincinnati Chili. But if it makes you feel better to think you're not the only one who uses chocolate in chili without knowing why... well take heart. You probably aren't the only one. I just can't join you on that list.

If you've done a 180 and decided that Cincinnati Chili is in fact a type of chili, great. If you don't like it when the recipe is good and most definitely not bland, well that's great too. To refer to it as laughable is really just nothing short of ignorant.

Now I feel like I'm beating a dead horse. You're cool in my book, Indy. You really do need to upgrade your cocoa, though.

Dins, don't mention things like chili dogs to pregnant women. We're HIGHLY suggestive. Now I want a freaking chili dog. With a red ale. *cry*

[indyfrisco]

What comment would that be? The only reason I would recommend using dutch processed cocoa would be if a recipe specifically called for it. You use the Cake Bible and expect good results... well, your best results are going to come from the right ingredients.

I got my IT guy looking up that conversation. Will get back to you on it.

That's about it. It still makes no sense that you would bring it up in this thread. Just like it makes no sense for you to suggest adding ice to beer, or try to start a rally behind your coffee comment.

Maybe this makes sense to you...the fact you think it makes no sense to add ice to beer pretty much relates to my feeling that it makes no sense to add pasta to chili. While I admit is can be done and is done in certain regions, it still makes no sense to me. In other countries, they eat dogs and horses. That makes no sense to me either. I can accept that it makes sense to you and others. Why can't you accept me not accepting it? This is getting way to complicated...go have a cup of pooffee.

Clearly your feathers have been ruffled here, and that wasn't my intention. Obviously I have an opinion on the ridiculous emotional attachment you and some others displayed earlier in this thread, but it's really nothing more than amusement.

No, my feathers have not been ruffled. However, I'm not letting you get away with telling me how I feel and misrepresentingorizing my words (sorry, different forum joke there). We have a different opinion on the subject at hand. I have said time and again so. You seem unwilling to agree to disagree. You seem to want me to concede that Classic Cincy Chili is good. That chili over pasta makes sense. Why do you do this? I'm not being narrow minded in that I scoff at this while never trying it. I have tried it. I don't like it. I don't accept it for my own terminology. Feel free to do so yourself. I won't curse you for it. I may laugh at the notion. So what? Why does that ruffle your feathers?

You're cool in my book, Indy. You really do need to upgrade your cocoa, though.

Thanks, I know I'm cool. And don't believe everything I type in this thread except for what pertains to Chili or dishes that call themselves Chili. Have a good baby...err day. ;)

[ppanther]

I got my IT guy looking up that conversation. Will get back to you on it.

Ha... seriously?? That's funny. No big deal, I've never had anything against non-alkalized cocoa. I just don't use it in recipes that call for alkalized.

However, I'm not letting you get away with telling me how I feel and misrepresentingorizing my words (sorry, different forum joke there). We have a different opinion on the subject at hand. I have said time and again so. You seem unwilling to agree to disagree.

OK Indy, you're no less guilty of being unwilling to agree to disagree. You were actually derisive about the topic. You didn't say "I just don't happen to like it, but maybe I didn't try a good one." You didn't say "Well maybe some people like chili with spaghetti and that's OK, I just prefer it other ways."

Nope, you acted all put out and actually used the word sacrilege in trying to make your point.

I don't expect your opinion to change, but don't act like you've been Mr. Tolerance throughout the entire thread... you haven't. You started as a ridiculous pompous ninny. That's really all I commented on when I posted my review of the recipe I made. I don't recall naming you individually, but obviously you felt a little convicted, or you wouldn't have even engaged in this discussion.

One thing I meant to point out in my last post, when discussing my mad passionate love of Mole -- the cocoa and cinnamon in the recipe I used were the main reasons I was anxious to try it. And as you know, I was not even remotely disappointed.

[indyfrisco]

pp,

Yeah, I'm pompous about what I call chili in my own house. So what? I do find it laughble about chili and pasta, but as I admitted, I do not put someone else down for doing it. I have lived and seen the regional differences. I have my opinins, but I understand others...with hesitation.

And Aggie is really an awesome name for a girl...Kyle (A&M's Kyle Field) would be great for a boy....

My wife gave into Kyle for our recent-born if it was a boy, but alas, and thankfully, we had a beautiful girl we named Haley.

[smackaholic]

2. There is no such thing as "real" or "authentic" chili. There are too many different variants and influences for any one to lay claim to being "real." They're all real.

Actually, I believe there is something that could be described as "authentic". You could probably add other adjectives to it such as shitty.

As with many messican recipes, when they are americanized or should I say texanized, they are made better.

Remember, we are talking about a culture of dirt poor fukking indians. These stone age fukks didn't have the time or resources to sit around trying to figure out how to make their dishes more interesting. They were just trying to keep from starving.

[ppanther]

Remember, we are talking about a culture of dirt poor fukking indians. These stone age fukks didn't have the time or resources to sit around trying to figure out how to make their dishes more interesting. They were just trying to keep from starving.

You are a fucking ignorant moron. They were the first ones to use peppers and chiles in their food. They were the first to use tomatoes. They made the first salsa. They were the first eat corn. They were the first to eat potatoes. The central and south american indian civilizations were well beyond the stone age. They were highly skilled astronomers, mathematicians and engineers. Even the North American plains tribes had an excellent diet. The one constant in traveller's accounts of plains Indians is that they were strapping and very physically fit. They didn't start starving until we made war on them.

It's OK to not know what the fuck you're talking about, but it's best to keep your mouth shut when you don't.

^^ What he said.

They were also the first to use cacao/make chocolate. Bless them for that.

Some people think the Taco Bell menu is the extent of all Mexican cooking. Mexico is a big country rich in incredible culinary tradition. The United States, unfortunately, cannot begin to compete.

[smackaholic]

Remember, we are talking about a culture of dirt poor fukking indians. These stone age fukks didn't have the time or resources to sit around trying to figure out how to make their dishes more interesting. They were just trying to keep from starving.

You are a fucking ignorant moron. They were the first ones to use peppers and chiles in their food. They were the first to use tomatoes. They made the first salsa. They were the first eat corn. They were the first to eat potatoes. The central and south american indian civilizations were well beyond the stone age. They were highly skilled astronomers, mathematicians and engineers. Even the North American plains tribes had an excellent diet. The one constant in traveller's accounts of plains Indians is that they were strapping and very physically fit. They didn't start starving until we made war on them.

It's OK to not know what the fuck you're talking about, but it's best to keep your mouth shut when you don't.

We aren't talking central american aztecs or mayans, dumbfukk. We are talking about south west messicans who for whatever reason lead a pretty damn sparse life as did the cowboys who adapted some of their menu.

And why did they adapt this menu? Because it was something that was fairly simple and portable. This would be rather unlike some tex mex, everything including the kitchen sink modern chili.

My point is that some modern day teeehano and his prize winning fire breathing chili is hardly authentic. It might have some authentic ingredients, but, so fukking what.