My opinion on "bubble" teams

[Mook]

I'm tired of hearing about how this team or that team deserves or doesn't deserve to be in the tournament.......I'm really sick of hearing people say the WCC doesn't deserve three teams, that this will cause legit teams such as Maryland, Va Tech, Syracuse, Arizona State or whatever "bubble" team happens to be the flavor of the day to be excluded from the big dance. In my opinion if an NCAA school has to wonder whether or not they deserve to be in the tournament.....then they don't deserve to be in the tournament and should consider themselves fortunate if they actually make the field......I'm tired of these coaches of shit programs complaining about getting screwed. They should try something novel like winning more fucking games........Hmm, that would be an interesting angle to getting in the tournament. At the end of the day any of the bubble teams I mentioned earlier have as much shot to win the title as San Diego, Cornell or Western Kentucky.....they don't have a chance. The whining of the commentator's and bubble team supporters is tiring.......of course, maybe I'm just old and have heard it too much!! :D

[Adelpiero]

if Big12 gets 6 teams, i will refuse to watch any of the tourney games. i know NCAA wont give a shit, but my bookie will.



im tired of the NCAA awarding mediocre majors bids, because they cant have too many mid majors get at larges.




as a big12 guy, they deserve no more than 2, 3 if one of next 4 makes a run to final of Big12. I remember them crying when MVC got 3? or 4 bids, then went out and got pole axed by an MVC team(sup kansas and bradley +330)

[Mook]

Hey now......no bringing up Bradley in my thread!!


:D

[Shine]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: every non-independent team in D-1 (see: 99%) has a shot at the national title. If you had a solid season then you can slip up in your conference tourney and 6 straight W's earns you the hardware. If your season was shakey or shitty, then you can still win it all but it'll take 9-10 straight W's. But you still have your shot, having a worse season just raises the degree of difficulty attached to winning it all.

And of course like Mook pointed out, the teams that just make it in/just miss out aren't really viable threats to win it all or make a FF anyway. Unless you're a fan of the "slighted" team nobody remembers who past near-miss teams are either. I'm about as rabid of a CBB fan as you'll find but I couldn't tell you for a million bucks which 2-3 teams "should have" been in the 04 tourney. I can tell you who won it and who made the FF though.

[Terry in Crapchester]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: every non-independent team in D-1 (see: 99%) has a shot at the national title. If you had a solid season then you can slip up in your conference tourney and 6 straight W's earns you the hardware. If your season was shakey or shitty, then you can still win it all but it'll take 9-10 straight W's. But you still have your shot, having a worse season just raises the degree of difficulty attached to winning it all.

Minor nit to pick, I suppose, but that's not entirely true. The Ivy League has no conference tournament. Also, a number of conferences (most notably but not exclusively the Big East) exclude the weaker teams from the conference tournament.

[indyfrisco]

Terry,

When you have 63 teams in the conference, you can't invite them all.

[SunCoastSooner]

if Big12 gets 6 teams, i will refuse to watch any of the tourney games. i know NCAA wont give a shit, but my bookie will.



im tired of the NCAA awarding mediocre majors bids, because they cant have too many mid majors get at larges.




as a big12 guy, they deserve no more than 2, 3 if one of next 4 makes a run to final of Big12. I remember them crying when MVC got 3? or 4 bids, then went out and got pole axed by an MVC team(sup kansas and bradley +330)

You honestly think that OU doesn't deserve to be in the tournament with neutral-court wins vs. Gonzaga and West Virginia and an RPI of 25 according to Pomeroy unless they make a run to the Big 12 title game? You're high.

Especially with the way we have been playing lately both with and without our lottery pick at forward. Oklahoma definatly deserves to be in the tourny after their performance in December and over the last month of conference play.

[Adelpiero]

0-3 vs tejas and Kansas

losses @ Nebraska, @ Colorado

wins early in season against gonzaga and WVU?


7 conference losses in a piss poor conference? WOW. this would be bubble busting time in past years.




seriously, this wouldnt of got in in years past, but they will make sure Big12 get 4-5 bids and thus getting a NCAA bid. Are they better than the Bubble teams who wont get in?

[PrimeX]

So does Baylor get in after losing to Colorado today?

[King Crimson]

So does Baylor get in after losing to Colorado today?

i think BU is still in but in 10-12 seed range and no longer 8-9. But, they have to be sweating it. they just looked bored for the first 30 minutes. way to go, Bears.

though, if it comes down to 5 team cutoff from the conference...ATM beat them in Waco just last week. Aggies could slide in with a win or 2 in KC.

[Adelpiero]

ok, do i think 2-4 of these teams will make it? (ou,bU,atm,kst) Yes, but are they deserving? Not this year. I just pointed out OU, if i dig deeper, its gets worse with KST,BU,atm.


to say they are locks, is kinda silly, will they get in, sure.


but like i said, are they better than the bubble teams who wont get in? Who is the best of those 4?




If Baylor lost to colorado today, they should definately be a bubble at best team. they should of proven they are a tourney team, they flopped. is their resume better than other bubble teams???

[PrimeX]

Baylor lost in double OT. Not sure if that'll count for much though.

[Dinsdale]

If Oregon wins a couple of tourney games, they have a decent shot.

Im assuming we won't see Kal after today, since they're getting gangraped by UCLA right now.

[indyfrisco]

Oregon not looking too good right now.

Adel, asking if A&M, Baylor or KState are better than the other bubble teams is a moot point. Buuble teams who barely make it and those who do not are irrelevant as far as the tourney goes. They all end up losing in round 1 or 2 for the most part. Why do you get so hung up on it?

[Shoalzie]

I never have sympathy for a team that just misses out. Tell me the last bubble team that amounted to anything in the tournament? Has there been any 11 or 12 or 13 seeds that go a legitimate run lately? These teams just want the honor of getting in but they do go all that far. Win your games and won't have to worry about getting snubbed.

[Degenerate]

I never have sympathy for a team that just misses out. Tell me the last bubble team that amounted to anything in the tournament? Has there been any 11 or 12 or 13 seeds that go a legitimate run lately?

Yeah, it's been a whole two years since George Mason's FF run as an 11 seed.

Brilliant take.

[Shoalzie]

I never have sympathy for a team that just misses out. Tell me the last bubble team that amounted to anything in the tournament? Has there been any 11 or 12 or 13 seeds that go a legitimate run lately?

Yeah, it's been a whole two years since George Mason's FF run as an 11 seed.

Brilliant take.

Good point...you got me. If we're talking about teams that won their conference in the regular season but lost in their tournament and have to sweat it out on Selection Sunday or you look a Syracuse team that is the definition of mediocre...don't you think the team that won their league in the regular season deserves the reward more than an average team like Syracuse? It would be one thing if the bubble teams were winning down the stretch but when you look at teams that had .500 records in conference and lose early in the conference tourney...do these teams really deserve the honor of making the Big Dance? The Orange had 19 wins but lost 6 of their last 9 games including an early exit in the Big East tournament. They have home wins over Marquette and Georgetown but don't really have a strong out of conference resume...no eye-popping wins.

Just look at the ACC teams...North Carolina, Duke and Clemson would've gotten in no matter what. Virginia Tech is in the ACC semifinals and looking like a tournament team. Miami won 22 games and has a win over Duke but lost in the quarterfinals and had an 8-8 record in the season in the ACC. They didn't have any great out of conference wins either but you'd think a 22-10 record for a major conference team would get you in. Then there's Maryland...lost 6 of their final 8 games including a loss to BC in the conference tournament. Like Miami, they were 8-8 in conference. They had the upset win over Carolina in the Dean Dome but that's their only win against a team in the ACC that better than a .500 record in conference. If you put Maryland against Syracuse...you can make arguments for either side but neither team helped themselves by finishing the season in a poor fashion.