Obama's Wife's Senior Thesis

[BSmack]

Did you not listen to Obama's comments on Wright or his speech in Philadelphia? He has unequivocally rejected and denounced any and all of Wright's divisive rhetoric.

But he still belongs to that "church", right?

As do 16,000 other residents of the south side of Chicago. Trinity as a whole is hardly removed from the social mainstream of it's community.

And his comments on Wright were far from unequivocal.

You must be one of those proud few for whom there is no gray, only black and white. I pity you.

[Tom In VA]

For if we do, it begs the question of what kind of advice and counsel a President who only surrounds himself with advisers who are certified to be ideologically "pure" will receive.

Good Point

Nobody is insisting on "ideologically pure" advisors.

Agreed. This Obama flap isn't about that. But his "good point" is a "good point" in general.

[BSmack]

Nobody is insisting on "ideologically pure" advisors...

Oh yes they are. Look how many staffers and campaign officials from both the Clinton and Obama campaigns have been either forced out or endured calls for resignation in just the past 2 months. It is a flaw that both the Clinton and Obama campaigns share. And I'm sure McCain's folks will join them as soon as the Democratic race is settled.

...but the line can be reasonably drawn to exclude raving, conspiracy mongering lunatics.

Were Wright a foreign or domestic policy advisor, I would be inclined to agree with you. However, that was and is not the case. There is no sign from either Obama's rhetoric or his voting record that he endorses anything even remotely close to the 3 comments that have been played over an over again from Reverend Wright's sermons.

BTW, Rev. Wrights sermons are and have been publicly available for months. Kinda makes you wonder why we've only heard the same 3 snippets OVER and OVER and OVER.

Well, it makes me wonder. You, OTOH can continue along blissful in your ignorance.

[BSmack]

As do 16,000 other residents of the south side of Chicago.

Who gives a fuck?

You tried to paint Trinity as somehow outside the mainstream. Sorry if the evidence to the contrary doesn't suit you.

They aren't running for President.

Which of course wasn't the point.

Needless to say, rather than directly confront the issue, you hem, you haw, you spin, you use lame equivocations, but when the rubber meets road, you've got nothing. He is guilty as charged.

You ARE who you associate with and Obama has spent the last twenty years associating with some of the most disgusting, bigoted scum the wingnut left has to offer. Wright is just the tip of the iceberg.

Oh, by all means continue with the ad hominems, the spin and the deflections. They suit you well.

BTW, the folks in your party have their own laundry list of bigoted scum associates. You do understand that? Would you prefer a campaign fought over issues, or one of mutually assured idiocy?

[BSmack]

Were Wright a foreign or domestic policy advisor,

He is both. Or have you learned absolutely nothing about "Black Liberation Theology" over the last couple weeks?

I have learned that people like you like to bandy about words like "Black Liberation Theology" as you were referring to Al Qaeda. Meanwhile, Rev. Wright was so mainstream that he was invited by Bill Clinton to visit him at the White House.

Or is Bill Clinton now into "Black Liberation Theology"?

There is no sign from either Obama's rhetoric or his voting record that he endorses anything even remotely close to the 3 comments that have been played over an over again from Reverend Wright's sermons.

His packaging is a lot more slick in order to broaden its appeal to white morons like you.

Yea, and that "packaging" has held up for 10 years to the point where even white, former Mitt Romney co-chair Republicans are endorsing Obama.

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Damn, he just be falling apart.

only heard the same 3 snippets OVER and OVER and OVER.

Only three? Don't worry. When the 527s go to work on Obuttfucked, you will be choking on quotes.

Yea, because Hillary Clinton's campaign has no opposition researchers looking to sink Obama any way they can. They've had months to find the most incriminating, out of context and damning quotes they can lay their hands on. And that includes Hillary's 527s. Yet this is all they have found. Deal with it.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

Namely, it is bullshit to compare Obama's politics to Wright's. Anyone who does so is either stupid, lying or both. Obama has a 10 year legislative record to pick apart yet the best opposition research can find on him are 3 quotes by his PASTOR?

Its Obama’s long standing association and considerable financial support of this asshole along with the lack of admonishment for what Wright stands for that is most disturbing. This doesn't bother you Bsmack?

Did you not listen to Obama's comments on Wright or his speech in Philadelphia? He has unequivocally rejected and denounced any and all of Wright's divisive rhetoric.

I don't consider his recent comments trying to distance himself from Wright to be "unequivocal" or more importantly particularly relevent as they were politically motivated. The time for him to reject Wrights views came and went a long time ago. He's simply trying to put the shit back in the horse.

I agree that our President should surround himself with people that have different and diverse views, but I don't want advisors to be advocats for NAMBLA or the KKK just because their views aren't "ideologically pure."

[BSmack]

I don't consider his recent comments trying to distance himself from Wright to be "unequivocal" or more importantly particularly relevent as they were politically motivated. The time for him to reject Wrights views came and went a long time ago. He's simply trying to put the shit back in the horse.

The time and place to reject Wright's comments is every day with his actions and his words. Which he has done.

I agree that our President should surround himself with people that have different and diverse views, but I don't want advisors to be advocats for NAMBLA or the KKK just because their views aren't "ideologically pure."

Wow, way to pole vault right over the line. Now you're comparing Wright to NAMBLA and the KKK? I demand your immediate resignation.

sin

American political orthodoxy.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

I don't consider his recent comments trying to distance himself from Wright to be "unequivocal" or more importantly particularly relevent as they were politically motivated. The time for him to reject Wrights views came and went a long time ago. He's simply trying to put the shit back in the horse.

The time and place to reject Wright's comments is every day with his actions and his words. Which he has done.

Only in the past week after the shit hit the fan.

I agree that our President should surround himself with people that have different and diverse views, but I don't want advisors to be advocats for NAMBLA or the KKK just because their views aren't "ideologically pure."

Wow, way to pole vault right over the line. Now you're comparing Wright to NAMBLA and the KKK? I demand your immediate resignation.

sin

American political orthodoxy.[/quote]

Just pointing the idoicy & hypocracy, you missed the point.

I demand your immediate resignation.

Sin,
Obama to Don Imus

He's just being provocative.

Sin,
Obama about Rev. Wright

[BSmack]

Only in the past week after the shit hit the fan.

Not true. Obama's whole campaign has been about moving beyond divisiveness. It is, in fact, an outright rejection of Rev. Wright's comments.

Just pointing the idoicy & hypocracy, you missed the point.

You must have missed my point about the hypocrisy extending to all the campaigns. Otherwise you wouldn't have pulled the nappy headed ho card of the bottom of the deck.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

B,
I have not made one reference to any other campain or anything other that Obamas relationship to Rev. Wright in my posts, so don't fucking go there. Obama by way of actions, words or deeds did nothing to distance himself from the Rev. Wright until the past week when he became a liability to his campaign. If you want to bury your head in the sand and believe otherwise is up to you, but the facts are easy enough for the rest of us to see.

[BSmack]

B,
I have not made one reference to any other campain or anything other that Obamas relationship to Rev. Wright in my posts, so don't fucking go there.

I never said YOU did. I was the one who made the reference. You were the one who missed it.

Obama by way of actions, words or deeds did nothing to distance himself from the Rev. Wright until the past week when he became a liability to his campaign. If you want to bury your head in the sand and believe otherwise is up to you, but the facts are easy enough for the rest of us to see.

So 10 years in public life saying and doing the exact opposite of what Rev Wright allegedly stands for counts for nothing?

[War Wagon]

You're gonna' love this, Bri. Lot's of stuff you can use.

You're welcome. :D

Jason Whitlock's letter to Barack Obama

[MuchoBulls]

You're gonna' love this, Bri. Lot's of stuff you can use.

You're welcome. :D

Jason Whitlock's letter to Barack Obama

Great read.

[Mister Bushice]

You're gonna' love this, Bri. Lot's of stuff you can use.

You're welcome. :D

Jason Whitlock's letter to Barack Obama

Obama’s candidacy intrigues me for one reason: He has the necessary background, life experience and personality to inspire ordinary Americans to look beyond their racial stereotypes and fears.

If by "Ordinary American" He meant "Ordinary African American" , I agree.

Obama doesn't do shit for me. He's just another hollow tree, echoing what people want to hear, with nothing of substance to back it up.

[Goober McTuber]

You're gonna' love this, Bri. Lot's of stuff you can use.

You're welcome. :D

Jason Whitlock's letter to Barack Obama

Whitlock seems relatively intelligent. Where did he move from?

[BSmack]

You're gonna' love this, Bri. Lot's of stuff you can use.

You're welcome. :D

Jason Whitlock's letter to Barack Obama

Whitlock seems relatively intelligent. Where did he move from?

Whitlock is from Indy. And, though his draft of what he thinks Obama should say makes for some compelling reading, he misses the boat completely when he compares Wright to Imus.

[The Whistle Is Screaming]

I agree, we should hold our shock jocks to a higher standard than our spiritual leaders.

[BSmack]

I agree, we should hold our shock jocks to a higher standard than our spiritual leaders.

That's hardly the point. The appropriate comparison to Imus would be Ward Churchill's description of WTC victims as "little Eichmanns". What Wright said was stupid. But was not at the level of personal defamation.

[BSmack]

Uh...OK. Good luck selling that horseshit to the "typical white person."

What needs to be sold is the vision of Obama as a leader with the kind of foresight to call upon the Chairman of the Fed and the Secretary of the Treasury a year before the shit hit the fan to do something about the subprime mortgage mess.

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[LTS TRN 2]

Well if a Rove Monkey like babs can only point to a couple of fiery--and accurate--quotes by a very popular preacher (his church is the size of the Staples Center), then Obama has nothing to fear but the FBI and Mossad-trained eagle rays.

And this is McCain's close friend in "spiritual" matters!?


McCain doesn't seem to know the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni. Or between a "terrorist" and a patriotic Iraqi resisting the foreign occupation of his homeland. Do you?

[Felix]

What needs to be sold is the vision of Obama as a leader with the kind of foresight to call upon the Chairman of the Fed and the Secretary of the Treasury a year before the shit hit the fan to do something about the subprime mortgage mess.

hey, just throw 225 million of the tax payers money at it instead of holding those responsible for the subprime mess accountable.....

[BSmack]

Needless to say, the subprime mortgage mess was brought about, in no small part, by race baiting shitstains like Obilgepump and Wright who insisted that low income minorities have access to credit to buy homes.

It didn't exactly take Nostradamus to figure out how that movie was going to end.

So now you're saying that Obama lobbied for subprime teaser rates to be offered to minorities? And that the current crisis was "in no small part" caused by said lobbying?

Never mind looking for the link. You obviously need to get a looser fitting hood. The old one is chocking off the supply of oxygen to your brain.

[BSmack]

hey, just throw 225 million of the tax payers money at it instead of holding those responsible for the subprime mess accountable.....

225 million? What's that, a half a a day's worth of Iraq war expenses?

[Felix]

225 million? What's that, a half a a day's worth of Iraq war expenses?

nope, it's just the beginning......

[BSmack]

225 million? What's that, a half a a day's worth of Iraq war expenses?

nope, it's just the beginning......

True.

I should also mention that no analysis of the subprime debacle would be complete without mentioning how home prices have been artificially inflated to the point where it is all but impossible for average working class people to afford them without extending their credit beyond reasonable limits. When the largest state in the union is sporting an average price of 400k for a single family home and an average wage of less than 10% of that number, there's a big fucking problem. Even at 6% interest, if you're a household making 100k, you're talking about spending 25% of your income every year just on mortgage interest and principal. And when you factor in ARMs and teaser rates... Well, it is simply not a sustainable equation.

[Felix]

I should also mention that no analysis of the subprime debacle would be complete without mentioning how home prices have been artificially inflated to the point where it is all but impossible for average working class people to afford them without extending their credit beyond reasonable limits.

you mean a 20%/annum growth rate is not the norm......

Even at 6% interest, if you're a household making 100k, you're talking about spending 25% of your income every year just on mortgage interest and principal.

not if you go to the "interest only loan" or some other creative finanancing scheme program imagined by mvs's faultless lenders.....

[Sirfindafold]

Obama's whole campaign has been about moving beyond divisiveness.

Oh absolutely. His typical white grandmother could of told you that out front.

[War Wagon]

I tried to tell people that the subprime mess happened because poor negroes thought it was racist that they couldn't live in a White picketed house in the suburbs too. Nothing more than affirmative action mortgages for negroes! But when I say it, does anybody believe me?


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

That's because you're an ignorant dumbfuck who hasn't a clue of what you speak.


Blacks make up a small % of those defaulting on loans, just like they make up a small % of home owners, and the population in general.

The subprime mortgage mess happened predominantly because of poor, stupid whites with shitty credit refinancing using variable APR's. They took out home equity loans (equity that in reality didn't exist) that all too eager lenders and shady appraisers were stepping all over their dicks trying to offer in a surging housing market.

Oh, and another contributor to escalating monthly house payments that dumbfucks can't afford...

Insurance companies in the past year have started basing and raising homeowners rates based on their credit worthiness. Sometimes as much as 50%. That adds up.

There's a domino effect occuring, or better put, a snake feeding upon itself.

[BSmack]

Still trying to play the guilt by association game mv?

I know I could find just as many people backing McCain who are morally objectionable to me as you can find backing Obama who upset you. Surprise! That's quite possibly one reason you and I are supporting different candidates. So I'm not even going to bother reciting the laundry list of crackpots and theives supporting McCain.

But even by your standards, that link was fucking weak. A bunch of current Obama supporters, including one who beat his ass for a Congressional seat, sponsored a seminar 4 years ago to educate poor and middle class people about the ins and outs of first time home buying and you have a fucking PROBLEM with Obama because of that?

And the other link? WTF does that even have to do with the subprime mess? So Obama moved 15 million a year towards some poorer colleges. Whooptie freakin do. I'm not sure what the name "predominantly black" has to do with 2 years schools "that serve at least 50 percent low-income or first-generation college students" but it hardly strikes me or anyone else with a brain as "race payola".

[poptart]

Did you not listen to Obama's comments on Wright or his speech in Philadelphia? He has unequivocally rejected and denounced any and all of Wright's divisive rhetoric.

No, he didn't.

Minor detail: He didn't cite what he denounced. LMAO

He just broad-brushed it and hoped nobody would notice that he didn't have the balls to step to the plate and REALLY address the issue.

TWIS spoke to it quite well in this thread, so RACK him!

[War Wagon]

Why don't you reread mvscal's comments that are three posts up, dumbfukkk.

No point in that.

I know better than to get in rope pissing contest with mv. That's Bri's job.

Not to mention, his definition of "no small part" and mine may be different, but we both define you as a race baiting cum chugger.

[BSmack]

Still trying to play the guilt by association game mv?

It's called politics, you fucking braindead pussy.

No, it's called desperation. Your worst fucking nightmare is coming true.

[BSmack]

Keep denying it until it is too late. You'll be the one crying at Obama's inauguration.

[BSmack]

You'll be the one crying at Obama's inauguration.

He isn't going to get elected with 30% of the white vote. Period.

The End

If given the choice between extending Bush's disastrous legacy another 4 years or voting for a black man, I have no worries that most white people will pull the lever for Obama.

[Tom In VA]

Disastrous legacy ?

The situation with the economy ? The War In Iraq ?

Okay so we tag Bush with a disastrous legacy and assume McCain will make no changes whatsoever. What is Obama's plan for "change" ?

[BSmack]

What is Obama's plan for "change" ?

You mean other than the scads of details he's provided on his web page?

[Tom In VA]

What is Obama's plan for "change" ?

You mean other than the scads of details he's provided on his web page?

No, I'm just trying to engage in some discourse here.

His website full of "we gonna's" doesn't consider the fact that for every "we gonna" there are going to be results - are those results good, are they bad ?


Scared to talk about them ?

[BSmack]

What is Obama's plan for "change" ?

You mean other than the scads of details he's provided on his web page?

No, I'm just trying to engage in some discourse here.

His website full of "we gonna's" doesn't consider the fact that for every "we gonna" there are going to be results - are those results good, are they bad ?

Scared to talk about them ?

Not at all. By all means feel free to talk about them.

[Tom In VA]

His agenda to address Civil Rights seems a tad one sided don't you think ? How about an agenda to ensure that ALL Americans have their Civil Rights, not just racial minorities ?

[BSmack]

His agenda to address Civil Rights seems a tad one sided don't you think ? How about an agenda to ensure that ALL Americans have their Civil Rights, not just racial minorities ?

Funny, you complain about Obama's lack of specificity and then provide no specifics of your own. Is ending deceptive voting practices really a "black" issue? Or were we imagining those Holocaust survivors who mistakenly voted for Buchanan? What about pay inequity? Is that a "black" issue for the millions of white women who don't receive equal pay? Are the hundreds of thousands of white ex-convicts who need to be de-institutionalized and re-integrated into society not covered by Obama's plan?

Seriously Tom, stop coming at me with that weak shit.